According to Matthew Stoss of the Daily News-Record, he is.
Heard Bryan Stinespring's name again today. The Va. Tech assistant is apparently interested JMU's vacant head coaching job.— Matthew Stoss (@MatthewStoss) December 2, 2013
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Calling JMU and begging for a job is not a negotiation. What is Steiney's sales pitch, his high powered offensive stats he compiled while at VT?
He's an alum. Guess he'd be riding on that.
He's a talented recruiter, it would hurt to see him go.
As evidenced by all that offensive firepower all over the field the last 2 years???
+1
Yo my man, what parts? I'm down in the 'bury and work in Cambridge.
I don't know if this is sarcasm or serious, but consider a few things:
1. Stiney wasn't in charge of recruiting until this offseason when he was removed as OC and put in the role of recruiting coordinator. We're pulling in our best class in years, thanks in part to the efforts of the new coaches, but also Stiney.
2. The old offensive coaching staff, as a whole, was not good at recruiting. The D churned along (because they have always had a plan) and the O stagnated because guys like O'Cain and Newsome had no ability to plan and made (what seemed to be) little effort to get recruits from anywhere that wasn't convenient for them. They became apathetic and just figured they could offer anybody that was a decent enough athlete and that things would work out later. That became the mantra for the offense - put athletic guys on the field and stuff will happen. For a while, it worked fairly well, but it was a doomed approach.
3. The players, college coaches, and HS coaches rave about Stiney. They love him as a person, and you can't beat that type of praise. There's a lot of networking and politicking required to successfully recruit in college, and Stiney does know what he's doing there. He's likable and he gives a great sales pitch for VT.
Just because someone isn't a good at designing an offense doesn't mean they can't be an asset to a team. I wouldn't want Dabo designing my offense, but he'd doing a pretty good job as head coach. Similarly, I wouldn't want Stinespring designing my offense, but he's been a valuable asset to our team.
Offensive talent that stayed in state to attend school has been down the last three years as a whole. I'm not sure how this translated at ODU but I'd wager that most of there offensive talent was out of state recruitment.
Wouldn't be surprised if he went there - He is, in fact, an alum of JMU... and also has some familiarity on the staff already.
Would be a huge blow for Tech - given he is our best recruiter.
I have to respectfully disagree. It wouldn't be a blow AND our best recruiting is winning.
EVERYONE BEGIN YELLING AT EACH OTHER ABOUT HOW GOOD HE IS AT RECRUITING!!!!
Concurring on that sentiment (as the team needs to win, not win 3-star recruits) and a turkey leg from the 404...
Right back at ya, man!
They would have to be interested in him as well. They could probably get him for cheap, and might be an upgrade, with his recruiting prowess.
I don't really care what people say about him as an OC or TE coach or recruiter. He has been devoutly loyal to Frank Beamer and he really has shown his Love for VT. I think he has really good character and is a stand up guy; I respect him for taking all the flack from fans in stride and hanging in there with Frank. If he leaves for JMU I will wish him the best and leave it at that. I'm sure Frank will do the same.
Agreed and upvoted.
Stiney has always struck me as the type of guy who would be much better as an overseer than he was as a coordinator, so I could see him doing very well as a head coach. It would certainly be a blow for VT's staff, but I would wish him all the best. He's taken the demotion from OC with class & dignity and I think he deserves a chance to prove himself.
If am friends with a former Roanoke Valley head coach, and Stiney would always stop by even if the school had not a sniff of a D-1 prospect. This particular coach told me Stiney was a great guy- really liked him.
He "took all the flak from fans in stride" because he had a mllion dollar annual salary on an annually renewing 5-year contract, and his job security had absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the unit he was coordinating. He was in a situation that was completely unique in college football, and unthinkable in any other top-25 caliber program in the country.
He is by all accounts a really great guy, but maybe let's not get too heavy-handed with how hard it was to take all that alleged abuse by our meanie-head fans.
Agree, No need to trash him. Wish him well and let's get excited about another, hopefully young coach to our staff!
My preference is Stiney.
But if he finds greener pastures, my preference is Ogeron. Heard he's looking for some stability. Who cares about youth if you could get that guy for your recruiting coordinator.
Why would Ogeron take a job as recruiting coordinator after the success (for lack of a better term) that he had at USC? He would at least deserve an OC/DC job, something we cannot offer.
Orgeron can go coach at any staff in the country. He's not coming here.
Am I the only one who doesn't want Ed Orgeron anywhere near our football program? The guy is a walking NCAA violation waiting to get caught.
Not only did he voluntarily work (twice) the Lane Kiffin 'anything goes' players-coach environment, he coached at Miami under Dennis Erickson during the period they were later sanctioned for multiple recruiting infractions.
It was a joke. I think VT should be able to get coaches like EdO. Our university offers alot. I don't think we have a shot or would necessarily want him right now. Even if Stiney decides to move on, I would imagine we probably have between our new coaches and old coaches a number of candidates that would be higher on the joint desirable / probable list.
Still ... our recruiting sux... Ed O turns recruiting up bigtime wherever he goes. Whether that is violations or something I don't know, but its a too familiar VT refrain. Walking recruiting violation. There are some clearly, John Blake, Miami boosters, etc, etc, but just because we run a clean program doesn't mean that everyone who beats us in recruiting is dirty. And if that is true, and everyone is cheating, why not become the 20-30th team in the nation to join in? Otherwise we can just play for the MNC - Clean every year and let everyone else play MNC - Dirty. Absurd notion.
you sir have it all wrong. that only works until violations come down and screw you. i'd rather be sparkling clean, pull in recruits who care about our culture, coaching, and winning and not about extra illegal perks, and work with that. you can win that way. those are the recruits who care about the team. the ones who go after the "extras" care about themselves
Eh....I don't think our recruiting sucks. It could always be better but sucks is a bit strong., I'm really excited over our guys coming in. In any case I'd rather have some more "also rans" like Darren Evans, Brandon Flowers, Orion Martin, and Jim Druckenmiller than a 5 star like Xavier Lee or Melvin Aleze any day.
Your examples are more than just a little biased there. And for a program with an empth trophy case and expectations of conference championships every year, the recruiting has been pretty "sucky" - for the last few years anyway. There have been some notable individual exceptions but "sucky" recruiting is the primary reason the team is where it is right now.
I could be wrong here - but I think Stinespring has done a pretty dang good job with Kalvin Cline this year.
He has made some rookie mistakes, and needs work on blocking, but for the most part he has played extraordinary with so little experience. Coaching has to play a part in that.
Beamer doesn't like change and will do all he can to keep him
If Stinespring leaves, Shane should immediately become recruiting coordinator.
This is exactly what I was thinking. This allows Shane to do what he does best and may create an opening for a top-notch RB coach. There has been a lot of criticism of Shane's job with the RBs and this could be a win-win.
That said I agree that Stiney will be missed as a recruiter.
I don't disagree, but Shane needs to turn it down a bit.
I may be in the minority but I didn't like how Shane handled the Fairchild situation. If someone takes a shot at your football team or the university, you don't (publicly) strike back at them. It demonstrates weakness when you publicly acknowledge a troll.
If a reporter says "Steve Fairchild said 'Virginia Tech is for UVA rejects', how do you feel about that?", I want Shane to take the high ground and privately rip Fairchild to shreds in the locker room. Show recruits and recruits' families that you're not petulant.
I don't agree. What did Shane do wrong with the Fairchild douchery? I think Shane has every right to respond how he did. He didn't say anything bad or demeaning towards Fairchild or LOLUVA. He just let it be known that he finds that disrespectful. I do too. Everyone should. And sometimes you need to make sure that everyone knows you feel that way. It's not a troll because this is business, not the internet. If someone made an inaccurate public statement about my company I would certainly issue my response in a level headed, factual manner. I believe Shane did that.
However, in some ways I get the feeling that Shane has been tasked as the mouth piece for VT coaching staff on social media. Like his comment about the Spring Game attendance. But I believe this is a targeted strategy by VT.
I agree with everything you just said. Hell, Big Beamer said everything but "UVA cheats in recruiting" in his book. You can't always take the high road for the sake of not hurting feelings. If I'm a 16, 17 year old alpha male athlete I don't want to see a schools coaches roll over when they're being bad mouthed.
Agreed. You don't have to sink to Fairchild's level but you don't need to publicly take it either. It does make a difference to recruits that coaches stand up for their team and school. It tells them that coaches will stand up for them too if necessary. It's a strong message but one that needs to be done respectfully. Shane did that.
Was it a disrespectful statement? Of course it was, that's not the point.
You give a platform when you respond to comments like that to the media. Beamer gave Fairchild some level of credence when he publicly responded. That's an idiotic thing to do.
When someone from Randolph-Macon states that they have a better football team than Virginia Tech, do you think Shane Beamer should respond? No. Why? Because the statement is flippant and illogical and doesn't and shouldn't warrant a public response from any individual from our coaching staff.
If Beamer publicly said "Well I disagree with RMC being better than VT," and then gave a short speech on why that was the case (as he did to Andy Bitter about Fairchild) it gives credence to the initial statement. Why make a comment when everyone in the known world knows it to be a ridiculous statement? Did you think people out there would be confused?
Even the Wahoos trashed Fairchild when he made that statement, Beamer didn't have to say anything. But because he did, our coaching staff comes off like we're threatened by UVA. We're fucking Virginia Tech, we don't get threaten by teams that didn't even win a game in their conference. That's why I was upset.
Granted, it's not something we're going to lose recruits over and overall Shane has done a tremendous job with recruiting so it's not like I'm disparaging him or calling for his head. I'd just like him to not feed the troll.
Well, as much as I agree that LOLUVA is on par with Randolph-Macon, unfortunately recruits, media and everyone else likes to believe that they are in fact our state rival. Despite the ten years of dominating evidence to the contrary.
The reason why VT doesn't respond to Randolph-Macon is because they are not our "rival". The reason Shane responded to Fairchild is precisely because they are. And again Shane did not say anything demeaning toward Fairchild or LOLUVA, so in no way can I see it as a wrong decision. Beamer is not giving credence to the original statement because it was already carried by the media. Therefore it has already gotten credence.
It's OK to disagree but I will always be OK with Shane publicly bitch slapping the likes of Fairchild with clear headed, factual dislike.
That's a fair point and something that I didn't think about. I wonder if the media would have ran with it if there wasn't a "Virginia Tech response" to it.
They did here in Charlottesville. I heard about the "Fairchild Incident" before hearing Beamer responded to it. I didn't even hear what Beamer said in reply until the AB article.
I will say, though, that some of Beamer's comments do kind of jest about UVA, and I'm not talking about what he said in response to Fairchild.
Make Shane TE Coach and Recruiting Coordinator and hire Kevin Jones as RB Coach!
YUUUUUUP!!!
Hell, hire Kevin's dad as Rb coach
Or better yet Lee Suggs or Ken Oxendine. Both actually have coaching experience at the collegiate level as well as playing experience in the NFL.
The biggest reason I could see for JMU not hiring Shane or Stiney is the fact that JMU hired two VT coaches in the off-season, and what good did that do?
Like who [sarcastica]?
I think ODU makes the JMU job harder. Some of our guys if willing to take it on wouldn't be bad choices to run the show. Whether they would keep the crew from last year remains to be seen ; ). I would fire one so fast it would make his head spin.
Im struggling to make the connection to how this fits in, but +1 anyway cuz its always hilarious to me
Lloyd = Stinespring
Dudes on the sidewalk = JMU
Thank you. I dont know why I was having such difficulty with that one
I'll be honest I won't miss him and I consider it VERY laughable that he's the one expressing interest, not JMfU. I don't have a ton of respect for him because for over 10 yrs he had the opportunity to sack up, go to Beamer and admit that he's not the guy to run the offense. I'll give him a smidgen of credit for recruiting (though that itself could even be debated), TE coach and relating to players, but that's it. I don't feel like this program will suffer if he's gone. If anything it may improve. That's just my ten cents.
Yeah, I've seen this before. However, you don't know that he didn't go to Beamer and say exactly that. Don't forget there was huge pressure to get Stiney out of there for many years. By all accounts he's a stand up guy and would do anything for Beamer and VT. I can see him going to Beamer and saying "I might not be the right fit for VT here Frank" and Frank being CFB saying "We are winning ten games a year and going to Bowl Games, why would I make a change? You stick in there and get the job done." Just because all their conversations weren't made public knowledge doesn't mean it didn't happen. And by no means am I a Stiney OC apologist or even forgive the position he put us in, but I can see that conversation happening.
I get what you're saying and all, but with the way info is exchanged and revealed (and has been over the past decade) I have a strong feeling that someone would've found out about it and we'd have long heard about before now. Just saying.
I have a feeling we find out a lot of stuff because Frank decides it's time for us to.
Say what you will, but even something like that would've come out sooner than later, no matter how tight you try to keep it wrapped.
If this were most other schools I would agree with you. But Frank and VT run an extremely tight lipped ship. Nothing gets out. If you don't believe me then try to find out what was said at last weeks coaches meeting. They won't tell you anything other than generalisms. The journalists covering VT have complained about it for years and years. I am sure Andy would say the same thing.
Ok. Let's get hypothetical. Say I was a reporter, you be CFB, and posed a question asking if "Stiney approached you and mentioned being in over his head to you", your response would be...
well if i was frank, i would say "stiney's a heck of a good football coach. he'll really get after ya."
Lmao! Give you a leg for that. I thought he'd give a prototypical Bill Clinton response along the lines of "nonya" "uh nunya what?" "Nunya f-king business" or "why are you so ugly?"
Nope. He'd give you an answer. Not necessarily one that answers the specific question you just asked, but he would give you an answer to a question.
Should've put half-n-half sarcastica.
I mean, I knew at some level. I feel like mine was also half-n-half sarcastica. I don't know. I mean...
Hold on. Whenever I don't know what to say like this I try to find a gif that works...
Seriously, what is it with tumblr and blinking text?
Mine was a Fam Guy reference.
The Cody Journell situation is a good example...
Handling juvie PKs isn't the same as handling questions regarding conversations. I mean come on. Who here HONESTLY believes that Stiney approached Beamer and tried to get out of being OC? Seriously.
Nah, I don't actually believe that conversation happened. But I do believe it could have happened. My point was just that you can't say he should have sacked up and said it publicly. A) Even he wanted to Beamer would never had let him and B) there is a small chance that they did have the conversation.
Yes you can. That's the VERY reason. In fact, that is almost a contradiction. You stated A) he wanted to but Beamer wouldn't let him. Then that raises the question of HOW Beamer prevented (or could have) prevented him (if such conversation even took place, which it seems even you doubt). We know (and it has been proven and pointed out time out of mind) that Beamer (to a blatant and obvious fault) is recklessly and unapologetically loyal. Therefore, (assuming said conversation took place) IF he were to prevent Stiney from coming forth then Beamer would have had to have threatened him with his job which as we all know goes completely against his character.
Talk about a guy who needed a good kick in the pants...
See what you did there.
Couldn't agree more.
If Stiney or Shane or Bud or anyone on the staff currently wants to take over for Beamer it would be smart for them to go be a head coach somewhere. If they've succeeded as a HC it would give them a selling point for the inevitable succession war.
If he wants to be a head coach then more power to him. He has done some good things at Virginia Tech in recruiting so to lose him would be a loss. The guy has the gift of the gab and is an excellent sells-men of the program.