Yeah, yeah, I know. #Sources. But still, it's a topic of discussion.
A source tells me VA Tech running backs coach Shane Beamer has emerged as a strong candidate at James Madison. http://t.co/qta5qmOyi0— Pete Roussel (@coachingsearch) December 5, 2013
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As far as recruiting the 2015 class goes, it would be bad for us. As far as Shane advancing his career goes, it would be great for him. If he's pursuing any opportunities, and I don't know if he is, I wish him the best of luck.
Assuming he gets it, I think it'd be a great stepping stone for him towards a D-1A HC job. Hopefully he'd find his way back to Blitzburg later down the road.
Can't fault a guy for taking the next logical step. I'd rather not see a coincidental coaching exodus, though.
Stay put Beamer Jr!!!
Initially, I think it'd make me sad, but I think it would totally be for the best. I'm sure his name would come up when Big Beams eventually steps down, and I'd like to see him have been successful elsewhere before taking a chance on him.
Sound logic.
JMO, I would greatly prefer losing Shane to JMU than Stinespring. The other side of that is Stiney deserves the job far more.
I'm really curious to see how either of them would be as a HC. I think BS would be outstanding.
I just wish it wasn't JMU or any school in the midatlantic.
So who would fill in as the RB coach...
I can think of a number of former-Hokie RBs I'd like to see take that job.
Obviously Kevin Jones comes to mind with him living in Blacksburg right now but other than that I think it is pretty much wide open on who it could be.
Wait? KJ lives in the Burg? Time to go fanboy and camp on his lawn. Seriously though, if we get KJ as RB coach can i dream that this strengthens our recruiting in Pennsylvania?
I think he's getting his masters because I always see him around campus.
He's pretty big now. looks like a legit defensive end.
He is working towards a degree in Industrial Design.
So, probably not thinking about coaching for a living.
Industrial Design is a really cool field.
Yea, apparently he played on a co-ed IM flag football team for a half because the IM people didn't know the rules on former first round NFL running backs being allowed to play in IM sports.
hahaha awesome
IMO, Great move for all involved . Shane gets experience at a Head Coaching job and VT will get a real RB coach. Both winners .
I think BS and Shane would be natural head coaches. I think there's a good chance one of them gets the job, which sucks cause they are our best recruiters but hopefully we have someone ready to fill in. Any idea who would that be?
I'm not bashing CBS, but here's a hypothetical since a lot of us seem to think he would make a better head coach: Would Head Coach Bryan Stinespring have fired/demoted himself from the OC position sooner than CFB?
Please don't take this as offensive, but I don't see this as a useful exercise. Any response will be pure conjecture and is completely unfair to Coach Stinespring, regardless. By all accounts, he is a great guy. Let's not question his character in a subjective, hypothetical manner.
No. Wrong. That is all.
In my opinion, this is perfect timing. If Frank were to retire today, I think tabbing Shane as his replacement would be the wrong move. They need to see whether or not he's, you know, good at the whole "head coach" thing. I understand many people just assume, but you never know.
Frank is probably going to stay, what, two/three more years? That would give Shane a decent sample size to know whether or not he'd be a worthy candidate, which is one of the most interesting questions currently facing the program.
I think Frank stays at least through the 2016 season and the Battle at Bristol.
It would be great move for him and if he's offered I think he should take it. On the other hand, does anyone know how many schools have hired head coaches that were never even a coordinator(don't quite think recruiting counts) before?
Dabo comes to mind.
Not sure about the college level, but I know it's happened at the pro level. Andy Reid and John Harbaugh come to mind as having never been an OC/DC. (Harbaugh was a ST coordinator, but I think the the pros that doesnt count for much in hierarchy)
Dabo went from Assistant Coach/Wide Receivers to HC.
Bill Stewart - WVU
Off topic but it is still so sad what happened to him. Gone way too young, I thought that he was sure to coach somewhere else soon right before his death too.
Agreed, it was horrible. Tremendous guy.
Apologies if this has been posted already. If Shane gets the JMU job, does VT sign a 10 year series with them, a la ECU, in order to bolster his sons's Stength of Schedule
I hope so... We owe them one from 2010
I hope not being that strength of schedule will play a big deal in the future of cfb
1) Shane needs HC experience before becoming VT HC, if that happens.
2) JMU won't be able to leverage his recruiting prowess because they're JMU.
3) I can't imagine how it must be for the new offensive staff to have coach's son mixed in with them.
A good move for Shane, he needs to step out of Dad's shadow, and forge his own path. I wouldn't be surprised if Dad is encouraging him to make a move.
Forge his own path, like he did for the last decade or so in the SEC?
Yes, if he want to be head football coach. I don't think he will or should move from his current position to head coach of VT. So, as far as a head football coaching career is concerned he would have to make a move.
People keep bringing up that Shane needs to step out of Frank's shadow. Isn't that exactly what he did for 10 years?
2000Georgia Tech (graduate assistant)
2001-03Tennessee (graduate assistant)
2004-05Mississippi State (cornerbacks)
2006Mississippi State (running backs/recruiting coordinator)
2007South Carolina (outside linebackers/co-special teams coordinator)
2008South Carolina (cornerbacks)
2009-10South Carolina (Spurs/strong safeties/special teams/recruiting coordinator)
2011-Virginia Tech (associate head coach/running backs)
I'm not saying he couldn't or shouldn't go to another college to become a head coach. He has blazed his own trail and is clearly being targeted because of his own merits, not of his father's.
I wonder if Shane was responsible for starting the "Can of Swag" and "You're a Baller" recruiting letters campaign (see below) at Miss State...
Yep, Shane is Bona-Fide....as Clooney would say in O'Brother.
I think this is a good move on his part to gain some head coaching experience before he takes over at Tech when Frank retires. Obviously this path would be easier if Weaver was going to remain AD, but I'm sure Frank will use his leverage with the new AD to see that this happens.
I can't wait to hear JMU fans talk about how they "stole" Shane from us, only to realize in a few years he was simply being groomed at the smaller school to take over in the big leagues.
Thought that Stiney was in the lead for the job since he was JMU grad. Also heard that alot of out of towners r also interested.
Tommy Bowden's name came up. Since Harrisonburg news is my local broadcast, I'm quite eager to have Tommy Bowden on the local sports clips every night. It would make my life much better.
I agree and am excited about the logical chain of events if Shane gets this job. There is a HUGE wildcard though. The next AD. This will be a very tricky hire. They will probably want to make their own stamp to replace CFB, but in the "family culture" that is VT, how far from the VT family tree can they go without major backlash?
yep, all it takes is a few wealthy donors withholding money and suddenly the new AD is looking for a new job
So, consequently, should we consider C. Littlepaige to be on the proverbial hotseat at LOLUVA?
Having never been a coordinator doesn't mean anything IMO. Having been a ST coach does. A ST coach deals with every single player on the roster. I think that should be a pre req for a HC position.
With a few exceptions (see: Dabo), the best head coaches in football have been highly successful coordinators. Shane has a hodge podge of inconsistent experiences and some charisma - - is that enough?
Bellicheck = Defense
Saban = Defense
Chip Kelly = Offense
Gus Malzahn = Offense
Frank Beamer = Defense
Gary Peterson = Offense
Jimbo Fischer = Defense
Harbaugh = Offense
Here's a question:
Who would be the better head coach (not at VT) right now? Shane or Bryan?
I think this is a difficult question to answer specifically. There are a couple of factors at play, but most importantly, are you asking who would be better as HC next season, or who would be better longterm? I would argue that Stiney would be more effective tomorrow because of his experience and comfort level within the culture and mindset of the program. However, I think Little Beams would be more effective over the longterm as he grew into the position. If expectations were tempered and realistic given how green he would be (as discussed at length above), he has serious potential. I think the intangible that he seems to possess that works in his favor is that he is high energy and has the ability to motivate young people. There are likely various holes in my logic, but those are my thoughts off the cuff.
Hands down Bryan Stinespring.
This was my thought, too. I think Stiney's experience at VT would make him a better program manager/head coach at a JMU or a Richmond, while Shane, I think, needs a few more years with heightened responsibilities to really get him ready to be a head coach, even at a smaller school. Either way, if Shane ends being a coach of ours in the future, I think he should spend some time as a head coach at a smaller school to find his feet in the position. I hate to say it, but I think Bud might need that, too. But I'll take the risk with Bud, if it comes to it.
Bud Foster. And if you or anyone else disagrees or attempts to change it I will respond with DO YOU LIKE PEANUTS.
can't upvote yet, but if i could i would. this so many times. I want bud.
Gobbler leg.
It's so funny that Bud is such a good def coord that you don't want to move him to HC.
The guy is a good coach, he very well thrive at HC.
I think Grimes would be at least a good DC.
I think Lefty would respect Foster at HC.
Then you run into the scenarios where you wonder if Bud could keep Shane as a co HC and Bud could still have his fingers in the defense for a while.
Grimes? Torrian Gray would have to be the DC after Bud. He's the best defensive coach on our staff, plus he's just as insane as Bud.
Yes. Plus, Grimes is... an offensive coach? He's said he's like to be an OC someday and he seems to have the personality and football intelligence to do it.
And the beard. Good god does that thing look awesome.
Can we please have a visual timeline of Grimes' beard?
As best I can tell these are in chronological order.
I believe the second image is from June or August given the path to the original image. Also, I noticed his hat at either the Maryland or Duke game and was impressed at how worn in he had gotten it. I had no idea it was like that only 5 months after he was hired.
Ugh, yeah, Gray.
What'd you think I said, Grimey?
Nah, you heard wrong.
Whoever hires better coordinators.
Good luck to Shane if he goes to JMU. I have no desire at this point to see him as a HC for us in the future. I realize Beamer built our program to what it is. Love him and what he has done. But he was paid very well to do so. I dont think there is any obligation to push for Shane to be a HC for us in the future because his Dad took the program to what it is. Let get the best Coach for the job like every other program strives to do. We need someone who can take it to the next level...not someone who just happens to have the same last name as our iconic coach we've been lucky to have. Havent seen anything that indicates Shane can take us to the next level. I know he is a good recruiter and would love to keep that...he is taking us to the next level on recruiting. Just like Stiney is and was allegedly a good recruiter...how did that work out for where our offense is today? Unless we can get someone who is clearly a better choice than Bud, I think he should be our next guy. I think Bud will raise the level of accountability, intensity and our teams will be more prepared consistently.
Not to say that Shane will never be a good head coach but two words of caution:
Derek Dooley.
I can think of more hoops success than football:
the Meyer's @ DePaul, John Thompson III, Tony Bennett, etc.
The Bowden family is a case study, but Tommy and Terry both were successful to a point (it was having Jeff as OC that did Bobby in).