Lots and lots of smoke around this to the point where maybe its worth bringing it up in here. Nothing too concrete right now, but from the rumors out there, it doesn't look good at all for Dan Snyder. Nothing too much concrete as of yet, but Harrison Weinhold has been dropping nuggets all week regarding these rumors.
An ongoing joke in Washington has been "Bruce Allen must have something on Dan Snyder..."Yeah, that wassn't a joke. And I guess we'll know the details tomorrow.— Harrison Weinhold (@RadioHarrison) July 16, 2020
Front office and team personnel fucking media members in exchange for scoops and leaks. Protecting leadership, coaches, players from getting in trouble with their wives, etc and then using that information for blackmail, leaks and to keep people obedient (Gruden, Allen, McLovin).— Harrison Weinhold (@RadioHarrison) July 16, 2020
I hate this performative bullshit. A bunch of reporters who know every detail of this story and have for over a decade are acting like this will be "shocking" and "disappointing". They're slow playing doing real journalism so they can keep some bullshit sense of access. https://t.co/qW7SNlSouq— Harrison Weinhold (@RadioHarrison) July 15, 2020
One thing is for sure right now.... Dan Snyder and the franchise have already lawyered up and are already in discussions with the people ready to break the story, causing its delay.
Translation: there were, are and will be lawyers. https://t.co/QSpRrv7zg3— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) July 16, 2020
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Please please please get rid of Dan.
Between this and whatever recruiting news was hinted at yesterday, it's been hard not to just keep refreshing twitter/TKP, waiting for actual details to drop.
Please be forced to sell the team. Please be forced to sell the team. Please be forced to sell the team.
If what is rumored is true, its worse than anything that happened with Jerry Richardson with the Panthers, which ultimately forced him to sell.
The difference is that Dan Snyder is so much of a dick that he won't give in to the public pressure and will fight the removal until the NFL forces it.
I mean Jerry Richardson was a giant egotistical jackass himself. Don't think the man who built this monstrosity (and put language in the purchase agreement that forbid the new ownership of ever taking it down without immediately voiding the sale) decided to just walk away on his own accord. The man was straight up forced out and tried to ensure nobody forgot about it long after he was gone.
Didn't that actually get taken down recently?
Yep, and they had to specifically clear it with him and his family before they did it, which he did because he knew it was going to be a target during BLM given some of the rumors and practices that happened within the organization. Rumors that basically said he looked at himself as a new age plantation owner, so to speak.
Bet he moved it to his front yard. Jeez, what a monstrosity!
The boys at AME took that statue down about 6 weeks ago. It was fun seeing riggers who I've used on previous projects show up on national news
Difference in the reports is that the acts were directly related to Jerry Richardson, whereas no one directly implicated Snyder in the report.
🎵 a whole big oof 🎶
Does this mean I can be a Washington football team not named DC United fan again?
Um, yeah. I think this is the kind of thing that is being rumored.
The DC Defenders accomplished more in one off-season and half of a regular season than Washington accomplish in all of Snyder's tenure.
FWIW I know Harrison IRL (grew up with him) - while we've lost touch, he's got legit sources.
I'm still not seeing a smoking gun here. Vile boys club? oh yeah. Is Snyder going to be charged with a crime? That's my question.
As long as the league forces a change in ownership, that's good enough for me
So its only newsworthy if a crime has been committed?
Snyder's shirt choice is "newsworthy" right now with next to zero live sports.... I said Smoking Gun
And therein lies why Snyder lawyered up. They don't want the Smoking Gun published.
Makes sense. I hope the WaPo has something besides annonymous quotes from hookers and cheerleaders or Jay Gruden's coke guy. Seriously. I don't care to read 10 pages of "one day I saw a redksins front office guy making out with a secretary on the team bus" or "I was escorted to Dan Snyder's box for the Eagles game and he commented on my legs" or "Jay is a huge coke head, his parties were off the chain"... Fuck all of that. I want to read a real piece of news- not tabloid garbage.
Sounds like it involves RG3.
He looks to be just a symptom of everything that looks to have happened.
It also appears to included fans who are known to catfish. Not a great look for the nfl.
That still looks to be just one thing of the larger issue it seems. If you go read through that Harrison guys tweets he explains it.
I have and it's really confusing. Again, Twitter is the worst medium to break news. So I'm going to wait for whatever dirty laundry is going to be aired.
Junkies had all the conspiracy theorists on this morning, most interesting one is that Bezos is using all his influence and power to dig up and or fabricate dirt so he can buy the team. NFL is becoming the NBA with all the offseason drama, sucks to see
He may very well buy the team if it were available but its not like he'd actually have to use any kind of power or influence to sway anything in some kind of conspiratorial power play. The unifying force in the DMV is the unmitigated hatred of Dan Snyder. Not hard to get people to jump on that tear down train once the cracks start to form. And those cracks formed over the last couple of weeks to where everyone that's been sitting on dirt knows its safe to air it out.
So the new team name will be the Washington Prime?
as long as snyders out id be down for just about any new name and color combo. God knows we have enough money to put the right pieces in place to be legit again, just get him out
This should go well. Dan Snyder could be blamed for the Kennedy Assassination and fans would agree. He has zero benefit of doubt.
Should be the biggest development since they exposed Ray Finkle.
Finkle is Einhorn!
Einhorn is Finkle!
I'm sure this will have the same broad reaching effects that the Kraft massage parlor scandal has had.
What Kraft massage parlor scandal? /s
From the Pat McAfee Show this morning... He received a very long text in the middle of broadcast detailing the allegations. If true, it would pose on-field issues along with off-field issues that could potentially damage the entire NFL. Couldn't share any of it on air, because his legal team "ran into the room and told him not to divulge anything"
Edit: Linking to the timestamp where he starts getting the messages about the allegations.
Also....
I'm still confused, all the talk is all about how much smoke yet absolutely nothing has been said or even leaked. Is this stuff more to do with the sporting side or like a hazing type stuff going on behind the scenes?
Supposedly, its something thats going to spur lawsuits upon lawsuits. Everyone is letting the Washington Post break it so its their lawyers dealing with the fallout because its the WaPo reporters who have done the investigating about it.
Guess that makes some sense still curious to see exactly what we are talking about, usually where there is this much smoke theres a massive fire just weird to see such little leaks and so much shady info.
The timestamps link doesnt seem to be working. What time is the txt?
1 hour, 7 minutes, 30 seconds
He gets the initial phone call that he ignored before his 1 hour break. Start watching around 53 minutes I think. Someone time stamped it in the YouTube comments.
The stupid thing didn't update the last time I tried. The phone call happens at 54:51. I have updated the post to have the video immediately start there.
It worked for me the second time it loaded. The initial conversation where he gets the text starts just before the 54:00 mark.
All the big aspects of the episode, somewhat whittled down.
I would love to attend an appropriately social distanced and masked celebration if this bozo is finally forced to sell the team.
Who is Dan Snyder?
Anybody else think that leaking information about a huge story in development is a little odd?
Apparently the shit is hitting the fan in a big way. I saw an article this morning about the craziness.
https://wjla.com/sports/washington-redskins/something-fishy-team-formerl...
As a Cowboys fan, I am always amused when our arch rivals implode.
As a Redskins fan, I love watching my team implode
Do you love watching the Redskins implode or Dan Snyder's team implode? Those seem like two very distinct things.
Two distinct, but equally enjoyable, things for me.
Half agree. As an Eagles fan I'm sure going to miss Dan Snyders absolutely horrendous decision making
Well in the past I've enjoyed watching the team implode because my delusional self thought it would mean the end of Dan Snyder
I'm so used to self-deprecating my own team
Are they?
As a Redskins fan, I'm just ready for it to be over, and to move on.
Now there's this...
Paying refs, pimping cheerleaders..
If Snyder was paying refs, he must have been doing it wrong.
Maybe he told them he would pay them but didn't follow through and they decided to make him pay in other ways.
I feel bad for the players (especially the Hokies) who have to deal with all this crap.
Maybe he has been betting against his own team and paying the refs to make sure he wins.
EDIT:
OR....
Maybe Snyder has a sweetheart deal to move the team to Miami. But to break the lease with the city of Washington, ticket sales have to plummet. So Snyder hires the most incompetent players available and coaches available.....but in a surprise twist his villainous tactics accidentally foster a can-do team spirit, turning the Washington TBD's into potential winners.
No, that ain't it.
Not the only one paying refs? Hmmm....
That, and also the first game of the 2016 season when Cam Newton took something like 5 or 6 blatant hits to the head against Denver with not a single flag thrown.
Or just the Pats in general.
Paying refs to still go 3-13. I hate it here.
Not as graphic, but ESPN has confirmed the law firm that is involved on behalf of the franchise.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29474652/sources-washington-team-hires-attorney-review-protocols
Yikes!
Chucky's little brother couldn't coach shit. I guess we now know why... bye snyder, bye felicia.
Wow
I wonder what Alex Smith thinks of all this and if he know that is why Bibbs was benched. I mean, dude came pretty close to losing his leg, and maybe even his life.
That sounds like BS if I am being honest.
Or a nothingburger.
Drug fueled sex parties with cheerleaders has to be SOP for the NFL.
Good thing my G-men don't have them
The only two things that matter would be paying refs and holding foreign passports. And it makes no sense to me why Jay Gruden as the head coach would be involved with pimping cheerleaders to season ticket holders.
and, seriously, the Redskins paying refs is just comical.
paying big money to the actual players never made a difference in the record... I guess they were just trying something new.
What's more Dan Snyder Redskins than bribing the refs and still losing a ton of games?
Not if he's betting against his own team.
The Alex Smith injury part is such a reach it undermines these other very serious allegations. It's not like Kapri Bibbs was anything more than a replacement-level back.
If true, then this is probably what Snyder's office looks like right now
This looks like BS to me also. Too many conspiratorial lines being drawn at the same time. Also dragging in other teams. $2M to refs with the records that team has had!?! The reality is counter intuitive. If so, Damn that was a bad investment.
BUT, if any of this is true, HOLY $#!^!
Either that's old news, or I just somehow knew it days ago.
But seriously, the team is worth less than it was a week ago. Unless Dan Snyder is forced to sell, in which case maybe those guys want to keep their shares.
Get rid of Snyder and change the name, and you'll have yourself a worthwhile franchise. It's already a money machine. Just add: competent owner and a coronavirus vaccine.
The fact they were trying to sell their stake in the team came out sometime last week i think.
Yes.
If all this is true, then Tim Donaghy says, "Hi!"
Please please please please please be true.
Nothing Burger... 15 female former employees say they witnessed sexual harrasment in some way.. no ref bribes, nothing indicating Snyder did anything himself, no Epstein bomb, etc. Nothing burger
Sexual harassment allegations are not "nothing burger". They are a big deal, should be investigated and treated seriously.
THE BOMBSHELL IS A NOTHING BURGER. NOT SEXUAL HARRASMENT. NEVER SAID THAT. Thanks
Got to agree with DC here. Some of you guys got triggered a bit there. The media pumped this up like we were going to find out that Dan Snyder was a vampire that drank cheerleader blood for breakfast. Maybe there is more and somehow he bribed his way out of it. Who knows? But the story that was released, although still bad for all those involved, does not match the days long doomsday hype.
Then you fell for the hype. Sexual harassment isn't something to just blow off because you were duped into thinking this was the next big conspiracy theory.
And DC should explain that in the first post that received the responses. Explain it out. Just above yours, he does, but if he had put that first, there wouldn't be the responses. No one should feel bad for the reaction they had to what he posted first...it read as extremely dismissive. That is what triggered. Again, because you let yourself (and others as well) let yourself get all worked up over a HUGE story, and it was just a portion of that doesn't mean it's not big news...
Man, you need to relax. I didn't "fall for the hype" - I didn't say that "sexual harassment" was nothing and I didn't think it was the next big conspiracy theory. And, I didn't get all worked up. It sounds like you are the one worked up and need to go for a run or something. I'm not going to reply back anymore because I have things to do today like work. Go have a cup of coffee and relax man.
Ralize the "you" is the overall...if "you" beleive the bombshell should have been bigger, then "you" fell for the hype, the want for it to be a big story, for it to be so much bigger. However "you" also have to realize not everyone on here watches hours of mainstream news, or reads the online sports pages, or spends a lot of time on reddit, or peruse other recruiting sites, or etc...every day. Some people didn't have the personal build up (hype) that this was going to be big; either by hearing/reading it on various sites or however. Some just saw that there were "sexual harassment" allegations coming from within the Washington football organization when it was dropped. Not in the lead-up to the story breaking. When that is seen by said person not plugged into the interwebz for all the juicy info, and the reaction by the overall "you" (again, not AirborneTXHokie specifically) to it is dismissive in whatever way, then yes, that is extremely offensive. When the hype was bought into and it's "just" sexual harassment then, well, you can see why there was a reaction. I wasn't all worked up, just trying to make a point.
(And the little "I have to work today" isn't helpful either. I've logged my 50 hours already this week, so maybe not throwing out little jabs like that being dismissive of other's time isn't productive. Or helpful. Assumptions will get after you.)
Sweet man. But you still need to take it down a notch and relax.
Well the way your post reads it suggests that you think this is a nothing burger because it's not some sort of Epstein break, and that sexual harassment isn't serious enough to be a bombshell, and therefore is a nothing burger. You're clearly stating that that Sexual Harassment isn't as serious as finding out Dan Snyder, say, met up with Epstein's girls. I think that's just as much of a bombshell and should be treated as such.
1. You are projecting. 2. While horrid and illegal, 7 year old sexual harrasment anecdotes, 3rd hand quotes, text messages that say "I'm going to grab your butt when I bring you this carry out" etc. are in fact NOT as serious as Dan Snyder outed as a pedophile and sex trafficker. 3. I am NOT minimizing or down playing sex harrasment at all. My comment was in the context of the rumors and insane media hype. Thanks
The hype came from unverified users on twitter and reddit so not sure why the media is getting blamed for this.. This is what happens when a majority of people consider reading a hashtag on twitter the same as reading the news these days.
However if someone in the media said "A big story coming on Dan Snyder and the Redskins today" and a story about 15 women being sexually harassed followed, then i'd say a big story did come out. But hey, thats just me and holding women's rights a little bit higher on the pedestal than the integrity of the game.
And of course when someone opines on a message board that the story doesn't meet the hype, they don't care about women's rights. of course.
can we please stop? you already clarified your position
Edited: That was low. I'll let your post speak for you.
This, for goodness sakes. Some people need to get a clue.
No in fact that's exactly how your post reads and says.
It's absolutely serious to the women and workers who are affected. This isn't a ranking system - if your wifes job was sexually harassing her would you care if her accusations aren't as "serious" as a murder charge? That's your own bias coming in.
I mean...you kinda were...even if you didn't mean to.
Nope.. my post didn't read that way at all. And you got me.. nailed it. If my wife was sexually harrassed at work, I wouldn't care- why? Because I opined on a message board that the redskins story was overhyped. Yep. Perfect logic. I don't care about my wife, sisters, nieces being asked to screw media members because I gave an opinion on the hype of a redskins story. You nailed it.
You sound very unhinged. I don't think you know what you're even trying to argue / talking about. Just admit your mistake and go back and edit your post. You doubling down on your already compromised position just makes you look worse lol.
Hello pot, this is kettle.
I think what DC is saying is that there were bombshell allegations against Snyder. Bribing refs, stealing passports to pimp out cheerleaders, drug induced orgies. Instead we got that people in the org, but not named Synder, were sexist pigs and were fired or resigned. aka nothing in the grand scheme of the hype. Snyder isn't going to jail, he's not linked with Epstein or any of the other madness which was hypothesized earlier this week.
See, there were no actual allegations (at least not in this latest article - but sure, we'll see what comes out later). Just twitter rumors and speculations. If DC / you / others were fooled and were "numbed down" by the false fire hose of rumors then that's not my problem - it's really yours for not thinking critically and awaiting verifiable information.
And again, all that still doesn't make sexual harassment a "nothing burger" by any means. His poor word choice is his own fault, as is yours when attempting to make defenses.
please see DC's comment above where he sets his expectations for whether or not there would be a "smoking gun" that implicates snyder as having committed a crime, then re-read his "nothing burger" comment in that context. (link: https://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/968858#comment-968858)
he does a bad job of communicating his position, or does it very abrasively sometimes, but i'm convinced there are other commenters here who only ever aim to engage with him in bad faith.
starting and continuing a petty slap fight back-and-forth when the entire tone turns into passive aggressive sarcasm doesn't do anyone any favors here.
I'm a bit biased, but I feel 99% of his posts are like this. He usually likes to post just to add fuel to the fire and act like he's an authority on a subject, and that only his position matters and everyone else is beneath him. My suggestion to him is to learn how you come off when you talk / post to others and fix it; there's a reason why you rub others completely wrong, and that ol adage that goes something like "if you think everyone's an asshole except you, chances are you're the asshole".
that's a fair critique and good advice for dcwilson.
equally good advice for everyone around here is to make a conscious effort to engage in good faith, to be gracious, and to have a little more leeway in giving other commenters the benefit of the doubt. seek clarification if something seems off, don't just move straight to accusations. this is how community moderation works best.
it's easy for me to be defensive from the get-go when I'm interacting with someone that I feel is quick to jump down my throat. If we had fewer stupid tangles around here, things wouldn't go from 0-60 in the span of two comments.
I agree completely.
My issue with DCWilson is that it's not like this is a one or two-time deal. ALL his posts are like that. He thrives on being troll-like, and at that point, I'm done with giving people chances and having patience. It's clear what his intention is and I don't plan on encouraging that kind of behavior at all.
what exactly is his intent? this is rhetorical. i don't think he comes here with the sole purpose of chafing everyone raw. maybe you do, but we see that differently.
if you think he's trolling, why do you respond to comment after comment? this is also rhetorical. It doesn't make sense to say "we all know what he's doing and he thrives on that and i don't want to encourage that" but then also take the "bait" hook-line-and-sinker.
Yes, dcwilson has earned most of the flack he takes, but definitely not all of it. it doesn't make much sense for anyone else in the community to also contribute to the way he consistently interacts but then also try to claim the moral high ground about it being his fault every single time. it takes (at least) two to tango. Dcwilson would do well not to double down with a piss-poor sarcastic tone, and the community would do well not to stoop to that level when he goes there.
As an aside: sometimes all it takes is one level-headed person to jump in and tell people to chill and to have a higher-level view of what everyone is trying to communicate, regardless of what exact words were actually used. I think we saw that with some people in this thread (hokienator, AirborneTX, vtnerf, vtkey), and I really appreciate that.
TKP added two moderators in the last few months, but between me, Chris, Joe, and VTGM, we're not always going to be able to jump into a spat within the hour to try to smooth things out.
I've stated my position on DC and his posting tactics. I will leave it at that.
This is fair. You're not responsible for him or his posting tactics, he is, and I'm not absolving him of anything. He absolutely needs to do better, and TKP would be better off if he did. My point is that, at the end of the day, every other commenter is also responsible for how they engage with him.
Any honest objective look at my posts tells you this is BS. In fact the vast majority of my posts are not in this category. You see what you want to see, which is fine too.
bro
there's a gigantic disconnect between how you think you come across and how you actually come across
don't argue
Bro, look at my posts- do a count of how many that get upvotes, etc. Perception is not reality.
I've been giving you way more benefit of the doubt than many around here would for quite some time. sometimes you do great. sometimes you're negative, but generally fine.
people don't tend to remember unremarkable interactions. they tend to remember the ones where you get so hostile so quickly, and that paints the entire perception of you and your commenting. That's why people don't give you the benefit of the doubt.
sometimes your tone is so insufferably poor that i have to remember that my downvotes are nukes now. you'd do well to ditch the immediate pivot to sarcasm the minute someone gets upset with you, and think about how you can calmly clarify your point.
Your first paragraph is all I ask. And I do appreciate you especially- you look at each post at his own value and call it like it is. "ALL" of my posts are inflammatory? Bullshit. And every honest poster on here knows that.
I agree, it's not "all" and it's not close. But if that's what you you're going to take issue with, i'll reiterate to look beyond the exact word choice that AXD used and try to understand why he would say such a thing. Are you ever inflammatory? yes (objectively). Are you involved in more inflammatory exchanges than the typical TKP commenter? yes (objectively). Is the average TKP commenter likely to associate dcwilson with inflammatory exchanges? I would guess yes.
It seems like a lot of the times there's a big argument on TKP (outside of the covid threads) that gets irrationally heated really quickly, you're involved somehow. So it's easy for other commenters to see something get borderline ugly, and say "well here goes dcwilson again, of course it's him".
is it fair for other commenters to judge your individual posts in the context of your past inflammatory exchanges? It's difficult to parse the content from the person. I don't blame you for feeling like people characterize you by your worst -- but i also totally understand why they do it.
Edit: whatever idiot is systematically hitting dcwilson with the -1s in this thread... can you please realize how incredibly unproductive that is right now?
Don't mind me, just being a bystander here at lunchtime.
That being said, I'm not sure you want to go down this route, because the next obvious metric here is to do a count of how many posts have a net negative score, and I would have to guess you would not fare well there.
You are a good poster. We have had our disagreements, and that's fine- you and I can discourse on here like adults. You don't troll everyone of my posts looking for a fight, and I appreciate that. I get that I don't always post roses and rainbows, but the vast majority of folks on here can handle that like adults. There are a few posters that can't get over me calling out Bud Foster. I get that.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
When it comes to reaction to the things you say, its not the what that is bothersome, its the how. Plenty of people are able to be critical here and offer viewpoints that aren't, as you said, roses and rainbows, I do so quite often, especially on Recruiting threads. And most of the time, there isn't anything inherently bad about the meat of what you are saying. It all comes down to how you say it, where, if you don't mind me offering my opinion here, it tends to get draped in enough sarcasm to make even the people who agree with you (raises hand) think "yeah, I mean good point, but damn dude, why do it like that." Coming from someone who is critical at times as well, it makes trying to offer our opinion very difficult when sometimes you come in with a chip on your shoulder, completely derailing otherwise benign discussions.
dcwilson and "i get that", name a more iconic duo
but in all honesty -- it's much less what you say than how you say it. I don't think people care too much about you "calling out bud foster", but they get tired of the seemingly immediate and constant use of passive aggressive sarcasm if someone disagrees or misreads your intent (which is exactly what happened in this thread).
I have always thought the following gif best sums up my thoughts towards DC. No offense DC, you get more up votes from me than down votes.
Fair... You are a good dude.
Differing points of views are definitely welcomed here, and you often bring a unique perspective that enhances the discussion. But yeah man, and I've said it before too, when it goes wrong it's your delivery, not the message. And that torpedos threads and makes extra work for the moderators.
TKPers want you here, as evidenced by the considerate feedback above, and hopefully that resonated some. You can still get your point across and deliver it in a less inflammatory way.
I hear what you're saying but don't you think there's a point where it's unreasonable to ask TKPers to engage in good faith? This has been a consistent issue over the span of several years. I believe what other TKPers are saying is that the benefit of the doubt has been lost and, as far as I can tell, there has been minimal effort from dcwilson to heed the constructive criticism and change certain behaviors to reestablish trust with the wider TKP community.
The same kind of mindset is spreading in here as well. We have individuals openly mocking their downvote tallys in other threads, not giving a crap that the community doesn't really care for what is being done.
I think the addition of Chris and GGC as moderators has helped. It would be interesting to know the exact statistics on downvoted posts but I'd guess that more than 50% of the time that a post gets downvoted, the poster becomes defensive and more entrenched in his position rather than changing tone, providing clarity, or apologizing. The turkey leg system does not appear to be viewed as community feedback but rather a personal attack.
Too many users see "don't downvote opinion" and assume that it's their opinion that is being downvoted, which of course is going to make them defensive. And this even goes for power users, too. See (this post) on the recent thread (now closed) on the impending NFL name change.
Also, it's a little lolsy to see the little -1 fights in a thread when you can tell two commenters disagree with each other and aren't going to find common ground.
Might want to go ahead and lock this thread up.
Wow, to call this a "nothing burger" just goes to show what kind of person you are. Will this take down Snyder? Probably not but calling this nothing is terrible. You should be ashamed.
I think he's just saying that Snyder probably isn't going to be out over some staff making stupid and offensive comments to the cheerleaders, if that turns out to be the whole scandal.
This does not deserve the down votes.
I dont think hes minimizing sexual assault in any way I think what hes going for is that in the end this isnt the End all stories that were being thrown around. Saw a bunch of journalists on twitter describing this as the biggest NFL story in years and in the end is whats being accused really that big of a surprise? Snyder will lawyer up to prove he had nothing to do with it and he will be fine. Most of the smoke over the last few days proved to be mostly just smoke.
It already looks like his lawyers touched the WaPo story. Quotes from the story below that seem out of place and specifically exclude him from accusations.
Thank you- you can read and arent a troll. Appreciate it
The situation in and of itself is not a "nothing burger" But "DIrty Old Guys tells Women They Have Nice Boobs!" is not a headline. That's just not news.
LOL - piss off. Seriously Troll
Down with Snyder! Up with Bezos!
Definitely not up with Bezos, eff that guy
If he turns the team into a winner then I'm all for it
fuck jeff bezos now, fuck jeff bezos forever
Any reason why? My curiosity is getting the better of me.
EDIT: posted a gif before the news came out. Felt it was inappropriate following the release of said news.
Well that was underwhelming. Sexual harassment is bad and has no place in modern society but compared to the allegations flying around the interwebs that was pretty meh...
Dan Snyder leaked all of the other allegations to make this seem elementary... 🤔
Tinfoil hat club will love this lol
Vox does a great job explaining how propaganda / firehosing is a great way to dull / numb the senses, which would make sense in this context:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nknYtlOvaQ0
Same reaction. I was expecting more than inappropriate commentary in the accusations.
Either way, down with Dan Snyder and the frat he ran! Boo!
^^^^this^^^^^ was what dcwilson intended to say
Frustrating. Sexual harassment should be unacceptable, and the things reported in this definitely were a reason to let those involved go, but...
1) The folks directly implicated were let go
2) If Danny can survive forcing cheerleaders to strip and go on dates with folks, he can survive this
I guess all the hype had me (in a morbid fashion) hoping for something that would unequivocally force Danny out. This isn't it.
So the way I see this is while not surprising and bad, without direct involvement from Snyder in harassing employees or involvement in covering up assaults, the NFL cannot force him out. I feel like they're likely to level fines and ensure reviews of culture, but Snyder will likely survive this.
There was a lot of stuff that got scrubbed in the eleventh hour. Smoke has been pouring from this since late Sunday night and it took them four days to drop it?
What we have seen is downright awful though. And I would be willing to bet at least 50% of the NFL franchises are pissing their pants because the same stuff happens in their own offices.
I think a lot got scrubbed today. 5 pm drop for this supposed bombshell of an article?
The 3 to 5pm window isn't an odd window for big stories to drop. Things still work on that 6pm TV news schedule despite less and less people actually watching news programs at that hour. Old habits are hard to break I guess. So in this case, the Post drops its at 5, and that makes it the lead news story for the new Sportscenter at 6pm and it was also one of the top stories on the 6pm cable news shows.
As for scrubbing, if you mean a lot of the rumored stuff didn't happen, then I don't think "scrubbing" actually happened. This was likely the story all along. But what happened over the course of a couple of days was word got out The Post was working on this and people on the internet looking for clout and followers started to reckless speculate on all kinds of possibilities without having any real sources
I'm just wondering if more to the story got scratched today once the Snyder lawyers starting talking with the Post
Yep, got some contacts that confirmed the article needed to be "toned down", was supposed to be out on Tuesday b4 lawyers stepped in
100%. Maybe not Dan Snyder sex trafficking stuff but a lot of people connected to the NFL with legitimate sources were talking about more stuff.
Either something wasn't 100% reputable or somebody got paid off a lot of money this week to not come forward or publish something.
I'm not sure using the word bombshell in a story about sexual harassment is appropriate. But I'm an engineer and words arent really my thing.
When it comes to the paying refs allegations, which admittedly seems be the least believable of all the accusations, is it possible the FBI stopped WaPo from publishing anything if there is an active investigation?
Some of the other stuff like the drug fueled sex parties with Snyder and Gruden could have had less sources and not met a journalistic standard to publish, but that does not mean those things did not happen.
Like said earlier in the thread the lawyers definitely go a hold of this ahead of time and there certainly seem to have been changes made to the original article given the delay in publishing.
Very real possibility, Paterno's scandal is an example. They were watching Sandusky for multiple years, and had several accusations not make print prior to the first set of arrests. It came out of the blue (no pun intended), no one saw it coming, and the shock factor was huge.
As others have said, this is a sign of poor behavior at an institutional level in the organization, but will not be the "bombshell" that forces Snyder out. Sexual harassment is a serious matter, but not that serious. I find the angle that Snyder's side leaked allegations WAAAY worse than actual to blunt the impact to be interesting only because it seems so smart given today's appetite for extreme news. On the other hand it is just as likely that the rumors got out of control or the more salacious stuff was scrubbed for fear of libel/slander suits.
This is the second time Twitter bombshells have turned out to be seriously overblown. I'm not trying to downplay that sexual harassment is awful and unacceptable, but what the hell is wrong with the media and Twitter? All this rumored 'OMFG worst of the worst' stuff like drug fueled orgies or hanging with Epstein or bribes and instead we get that the Redskins employeed sexist pigs and their HR department was too small.
On a similar note, The Kings Mike Richards was Twitter-indicted many years ago of having done something 'icky', terrible, too bad to mention, etc. Fans speculated stuff which was actually terrible (use your imagination). The eventual leak was that he had transported un-prescribed opiods from USA to Canada. OMG, a pro athlete was addicted to pain pills. Like that probably happens in every locker room in America. The Kings conveniently used that to terminate his contract.
It's helpful to remember that Twitter gives a "microphone" to everyone. That means that respected, professional journalists have the same platform as someone who, in the past would be ranting on a street corner wearing a tinfoil hat.
There are no real checks and balances so anyone can say anything and people run with the most salacious accusations.
Twitter isn't news media. Treat it as entertainment. News outlets and journalists use it to reach a larger audience and direct them to their work, but it isn't news media and shouldn't be treated as such.
These days, media outlets and professional journalists seem to be on the extreme of providing their opinions as news. Cable news should also be considered entertainment, with some news mixed in.
So there's that aspect of things, too.
You need a variety of news sources, an understanding of political motivations, and a strong dose of skepticism if you want to come to any approximation of what is actually happening.
Twitter isn't news, but it's often reported as if it were news.
On a side note, kudos to Rhiannon Walker for going forward with the story and for The Athletic for backing her along the way. It took serious nerve and a solid moral compass to raise the allegations even if could have jeopardized her job. She took the high road and did the right thing.
Well it did turn out to be similar to the plot of "Bombshell". Maybe they just forgot to put the quotes on that word every time it was brought up?
This definitely drew the attention away from the anti-Semitic stuff DeSean Jackson posted.
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