Justin Fuente Believes the UVA Game Was 'Just Not Safe' to Play. The Future Isn't Much Clearer.

The head Hokie believes the decision to postpone the UVA game was an easy one. Next comes a choice on N.C. State.

Justin Fuente believes the call to postpone the season opener was "not even close."

The last time Justin Fuente and Bronco Mendenhall had to have a serious heart-to-heart was in 2014, in the wake of a bench-clearing brawl at the end of the Miami Beach Bowl. On Saturday, the pair had to have a similarly difficult conversation under wildly different circumstances.

That was when Fuente admitted what he'd suspected would be the case for some time: the Hokies were not ready to put a team on the field next week against UVA due to Covid concerns.

"Bronco and I, we understand where we coach and the rivalry, but we've coached against each other for a long time," Fuente told reporters Monday. "I just felt like it was the right thing to do...I wanted to just make sure he knew what was happening and why it was happening from me, not from somebody else."

And so, six years after Fuente's Memphis team and Mendenhall's BYU squad kicked up controversy with that post-bowl brouhaha, the two coaches found themselves talking out a difficult issue once more. As Fuente described it Monday, he was unequivocal that "there's no way we could walk out there and safely put our kids on the field," telling the Cavs' head man that VT's medical experts had advised against the Sept. 19 game.

"It wasn't until the very end that it became apparent that this was not safe. This had nothing to do with competitive advantage," Fuente said. "(The players) and I have taken quite a bit of flak for it, but the bottom line is, it was absolutely the right call. It just was not safe to put that small a number of kids out on the field."

As the heated exchanges on Twitter between Hoos and Hokies suggested, Fuente said the team was "crushed" to get the news. He noted that all the players left on the team "have been given a free pass out" of playing this season, yet have chosen to enduring the grind of this very unusual fall camp anyway, so no one should doubt their commitment to pressing forward with the Commonwealth Cup.

"They believe they could go out there and play without very many guys," Fuente said. "Sometimes we have to protect them from themselves. And that's what (Chief Medical Officer Dr. Mark Rogers) did. I told them, if you guys want to be mad at someone, be mad at me. But doc looked at it, and in my opinion, it wasn't even close."

Fuente once again stopped short of saying how many players tested positive for coronavirus, nor did he detail which position groups were affected β€” the ACC has only vague standards governing when teams should postpone due to health concerns, though it does outline some minimum numbers for select position groups, such as offensive line.

However, he would say that "this was not a situation of, there was a big party or big get together that it all stemmed from," noting that the team had seen relatively few cases or players in quarantine until students began to return to Blacksburg. Once that happened, he said that cases on the team didn't quite match "one-to-one" with the numbers recorded at Virginia Tech or the broader New River Valley community, but it was close.

"We have been really good all summer long, we were knocking it out of the park," Fuente said. "Our circumstances changed dramatically a couple of weeks ago."

So where does that leave the Hokies now? In what's become a constant refrain this fall, the situation is still pretty murky. Fuente noted that it's not as if all the players "who are out have had" Covid-19, thereby meaning they'll be immune for the rest of the year β€” instead, in many cases, players are forced to sit out for contact tracing purposes.

"I don't know who we have back right now or who we'll have back tomorrow," Fuente said. "It's not gonna be on Wednesday, everybody's good, you know you get a week and a half to prepare. That's not how this works. All those kids, almost all of them, their timetables are different. Some guys have a chance to get out (of isolation) next Wednesday, some Thursday, some Tuesday, some Saturday. It's all over the place. You get portions of guys in. It's like a revolving door with where you're at right now."

All that means there's no telling if the Hokies will actually be able to open the season on Sept. 26 against N.C. State. Fuente is hoping that this week's test results give him a bit more clarity, but the head Hokie wasn't making any promises about when the team's 2020 season will kick off.

"I don't feel comfortable raising the alarm or putting the fire out right now for the N.C. state game," Fuente said. "I just don't know enough right now about how things are going or where we're at. Hopefully everything works out and we find a way to get it done."

Devon Hunter fallout

In more normal times, the news that a former top recruit and potential starter was suspended indefinitely would dominate the day.

So while the deadly pandemic might've overshadowed things a bit, DB Devon Hunter's arrest on assault charges still grabbed headlines. Fuente, however, was pretty tight lipped about addressing the situation.

"I understand your reasons for asking, and I hope you understand the reasons I can't reply," Fuente said, citing Hunter's pending case in Montgomery County District Court.

Fuente also wasn't ready to say with any certainty who might take over for Hunter at the boundary safety position in his absence, noting that the staff has yet to meet to discuss the issue in detail. However, he did allow that redshirt senior Tyree Rodgers is one possibility, as is redshirt freshman J.R. Walker and true freshman Keonta Jenkins.

"Keonta's had a good fall camp, J.R.'s certainly one that continues to get better as well," Fuente said. "To say that all those things will be fluid is an understatement, in continuing to cross train guys and get guys ready. It's a little too early to say right now."

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you know it's a rough extended off season when you're happy to even read useless coach speak. Thanks for keeping us in the loop, Koma.

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If the already rescheduled N.C. State game isn't considered safe to play, and we have to postpone it as well...at what point/stage do we get to where we realistically have to say that either:

A.) We're going to have to play an incomplete season, or,
B.) We're going to fold the season altogether, regardless of what the rest of the Conference does (if that's even an option?)

Just trying to be a realist at this point, not a pessimist at all - it's just there has to be some breaking point we get to where the logistics can no longer be managed in regards to all the postponements and rescheduling, correct?

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A.) We're going to have to play an incomplete season, or,

I accepted this long ago. IMO ACC should've worked in 3-4 bye weeks, not 2. I imagine at least half the conference skips at least one game.

B.) We're going to fold the season altogether, regardless of what the rest of the Conference does (if that's even an option?)

To be honest, I'm actually more confident than ever before that most teams will get to the (rather, a) finish line. If you asked me a month ago, I would've guessed that most teams will make it to 2 or 3 games. Now, I think most teams will get in around 7-8 games in this season, and the missing games will be due to scheduling complexities/timing problems.

I think the key to a (relatively) successful football season (And when I say successful, I mean according to a TV network, or athletic department whose goal is to play as close to a normal season as possible) is to prevent the virus from spreading between teams on game days. After all, once you build herd immunity within a team, there's not much stopping the team from playing (except other teams whose rosters are being decimated at the same time).

Just trying to be a realist at this point, not a pessimist at all - it's just there has to be some breaking point we get to where the logistics can no longer be managed in regards to all the postponements and rescheduling, correct?

We'll see... Houston and Baylor scheduled a game on 7 days notice. But then again, it takes Wisconsin 23 years.

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The WHO and Mayo clinic have stated that "there is no evidence to support a population developing herd immunity with this virus. Can it happen? Possibly. But at current rates of infection in the US, a conservative estimate of how many individuals would have to become infected to achieve "herd Immunity", which is generally 60-70% infection rate, that would require over 200,Million persons in the US to test positive to develop herd immunity. With the current infection rate starting to rise in the Midwest, 200 Million infections could be reached within 12-18 months given current pathetic efforts of control now existing in the US. BTW, that number of infections with the current death rate of 3%, would also mean over 6 million deaths by the time "herd immunity" even becomes possible. Sweden tried herd immunity and it backfired horribly. They are now mandating standard Covid protection protocols. I wish Herd immunity was an option but the statistics tell a much different story!!

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This is not the platform for this type of post!

If you are unaware anything directly COVID related is now banned. It was a real drag.

thanks, we love us some community moderatin'

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Y'all be up in here moderhatin' /s

What is funny is as soon as I read that post I had flash backs and thought to my self I did not miss this. It was the correct decision removing that thread, the community interaction as a whole seems to be much better.

I failed to explain my point correctly

After all, once you build herd immunity within a team, there's not much stopping the team from playing

I understand the challenges around getting a diverse, 300+ million person nation to herd immunity. However, a group of 100 (mostly) healthy people operating in a rigid hierarchy with access to frequent diagnostic tests can achieve to herd immunity pretty quickly, while limiting exposure to the outside community.

I'm not recommending this approach, I'm not arguing that this is a good (or bad) approach, nor am I attempting to argue that this is/isn't a morally acceptable approach. I'm just saying that, if a player gets the virus and recovers, that player will be immune for at 3-6 months. If the whole team contracts the virus and recovers with in a month, they shouldn't have a problem fielding a team for the remainder of the season.

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let's pls not go down this road of litigating what makes for effective or ineffective policy

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Great work Alex!

My two thoughts after reading this:

1) I guess we are to assume that we have had a substantial outbreak if it was enough to force us to postpone a game. Long term, this could theoretically work in our favor as far as avoiding future cancellations, at least from our end. If we have a bunch of kids who have already have it, it's unlikely they will get it again this season unless we learn something new about immunity. This means future outbreaks will be holding out a couple of players here and there like Clemson had to against Wake, as opposed to having our entire OL out with COVID again.

2) We are paper thin and young at safety. This is a position to keep an eye on all season both for quality of play from whoever has to step into the vacated role, and because we can't really handle many injuries to those two positions before we have to start getting really creative.

Fuente noted that it's not as if all the players "who are out have had" Covid-19, thereby meaning they'll be immune for the rest of the year

It seems to me he is saying the opposite, that most of the absences have been precautionary tracing and not actual positives. So it could all have to be done again if it truly does get into the locker room.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Right. It's all speculation as to how widespread it has been without any numbers. But clearly it hit hard enough to where we had so many people in quarantine from contact tracing that it was likely more than just a couple individuals. Though I guess it is possible for a couple individuals to put the whole team into quarantine, but that has not been consistent elsewhere so far.

It's all speculation as to how widespread it has been without any numbers.

I feel like Fuente dropped a big hint on that though

[Fuente] said that cases on the team didn't quite match "one-to-one" with the numbers recorded at Virginia Tech or the broader New River Valley community, but it was close.

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What is the percentage of campus that has been positive? Like 4%. So 3 players. Don't know I am guessing.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Last 7 days it's been 18% so I would think perhaps closer to that given that players are regularly tested and more likely to register positives as opposed to regular students/staff who might not go get tested without symptoms.

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I was talking about testing rates with a buddy of mine. Someone else on here posted that their wife had to test negative before being able to go back to work. I assume the same is true for football players. Do repeated tests of a single individual count in the rate of positives? For instance if there were 10 people and 5 of them suspected they had it and got tested, but only 2 tested positive, that would be a 40% positive rate or 20% infection rate. A week later, those 2 positive cases want to get tested again (the only 2 out of the same 10). They both test positive again. So the question is - is the same 40% positive rate reported, or do they add 2 new tests to the original 5, and 2 more to the positives for a 5 out of 7 positive rate (57.1%), or are they really reporting the 20% positive rate of the population, (or 40% now that they've had 4 positive tests)? Because that 18% rate someone mentioned seems high. Assuming 30,000 students, faculty, and town people, that's almost 6,000 positive, and it becomes a lot harder for it to not spread the higher the population that does have it (and at that point, the football players and staff almost would have to be in a bubble to stay safe I'd imagine. Or, if the case is that multiple tests of the same positive population skewing numbers, because that makes it difficult to analyze the data as well.

I don't know the answer to that unfortunately. I got the data from the VT COVID dashboard, which shows 232 positive tests out of 1,256 at Schiffert over the last 7 days.

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It's my understanding that in Virginia, after May 1 each positive test result for an individual has been counted as a discrete positive test, i.e. if a person tests positive 3 times, that is counted as 3 positives, not 1. Before that, it was the opposite. I don't know if the May 1 change has subsequently been reversed, but from a cursory search it doesn't appear it has.

Take from that statistically, politically, and medically what you will. I know what I think.

There have only been 735 total positive cases on campus (don't know total number of students to use to give percentage). They have had 18% positive cases. If Fuente was referring to the relationship to general student body, I assumed he was talking about total cases not percent positive. Who knows.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Somewhere between 5-20% of the team testing positive seems like a safe bet. Even if that's not very precise, anywhere in that range would mean we're not particularly close to reaching herd immunity as a team and that upcoming games could become in danger as well.

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It's a bit of a complex sentence but that's what I took from Koma's words when I read them. Not everyone who is out have had COVID, therefor when they come back they won't necessarily have immunity and the same situation may reoccur.

Perhaps one of the 10 scholarship running backs can move to Safety?

we have ten scholarship running backs this year?

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9 - my bad- I was waaaayyyyyy offf. great post though. Props.

all part of my greater plan to annoy you into fact checking yourself before you comment so I don't have to

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Yeah, like I did it on purpose.

all i'm sayin is that every so often you make really strong sarcastic comments based on "facts" that aren't actually factual. then when you get some push-back, you argue that the community doesn't understand your intent (because, for instance the difference between nine and ten scholarship RBs is negligible).

I'm on record that the community could stand to do a better job of using benefit of the doubt to read intent, but also on record that the community shouldn't have to. and doubling down on the sarcasm when someone checks your facts doesn't help anything.

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In this case, of course the post was sarcastic about too many running backs. Yes. My objection is that I didn't throw some ridiculous number out there as "fact", I thought it was a legit 10...which is was at one point. It was an honest mistake regarding the number, which wasn't presented as some prophecy in the first place. It was secondary to the original point...for example if I would have said "100 scholarship RBs"- you wouldn't have commented.

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Fuck that .gif...for obvious reasons.

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Galifinakis went NCSU. His character in that gif, which is from The Campaign, is portrayed a bumbling idiot (typical Galifinakis character). The choice of an ECU jersey seems to me to be very intentional to suggest that a certain type of person graduates from ECU. Based on our loathe for ECU, we should be supportive of the ECU jersey used in that context.

(That was complicated way of saying that the GIF supports F--- ECU in a not so obvious way.)

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Do you think Cole Beck has the skillset to play on that side of the ball?

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Beck is huge value in the safety room yes, even if he doesn't actually suit up and play in games. Huge value.

If only we were playing GT we could stick him out there because they suck at passing anyway.

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Hey, let's shake hands and head back to your respective corners for the rest of the night.

I genuinely thought his response was funny and adhered to the classic dcwilson style. I know things have been testy around here so I should have been more cautious but my posts were intended to be absurdist and taken in jest. I took his response in kind but I apologize if it seemed otherwise.

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I definitely laughed at the initial joke but then thought things were headed down the comment staircase. Apologies if I didn't read the room right.

I am leaning m ore and more to the Hokies blowing this and us not getting a season. At last the pros are kicking ass and taking names or hiding it better...

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Their coaches and players talked so much sh-t and they have months to go without having any COVID problems if they want to have a full season. I mean, best of luck with that.

I think Mendenhall is a real piece of garbage, taking Fuente's serious and good faith phone call while his staff and players act like buffoons with his blessing.

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Say what you will about Bronco, no one puts together a better bunch of nut-punchers than he does.

That's only because Clemson players try to stick a finger up your bum instead.

I have no doubt in my mind Mendenhall gave them the go-ahead to act like that and may have even encouraged it. We know how dirty his teams were at BYU. This UVA team is beginning to resemble that, especially against us. Last year, there was Deablo being dragged by his facemask to the stands and Joe Reed shoving him after. There was the entire team talking to Tre Turner after he got hit on that jet sweet on the sideline. There was Kemp shoving Chatman for no reason.

Mendenhall is building a culture of toughness, but he is also building a culture of punks to get a competitive advantage. I guess in his mind, an occasional 15 yards doesn't outweigh the emotional toll it takes on an opponent. His players and coaches also act like they run this state on Twitter.

We have to go out there and hit them in the mouth early. They won't do that stupid shit as easily if they get down. We saw that in 2018. Then we need to talk and let them know about it. They're wired to be high strung. That's why that guy punched McClease when they were down 10 in 2017. Then we run it up. I don't want to lose a stranglehold on this rivalry because our guys can't deal with dirty play.

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So what youre saying is we have another Narduzzi?

I agree.

At least Narduzzi doesn't hide that he's an asshole. I believe Bronco in public is all about "raising young men" and "building values," but when he's in the locker room he's "punch that guy in the nuts" and "talk shit about a team being affected by a world pandemic on Twitter."

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I always understand bashing our rival's coach. But it always reminds of a thread during our coaching search, and I mentioned Bronco as a sleeper candidate that no one had mentioned. He would've been my third pick, after Fuente and Scott Satterfield.

I wasn't thinking of Bronco at all, nor did I have any idea UVA would hire him. I just thought he was a BYU lifer because that was such a unique job. In hindsight, I still wouldn't consider him. VT needed an offensive identity after years of not having one once power running went out the window. Bronco's offenses tend to have no identity unless they have a really good quarterback. Despite all of our beefs with the way Fuente and Cornelsen run the offense, we at least have an identity.

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Despite all of our beefs with the way Fuente and Cornelsen run the offense, we at least have an identity.

Say what you will about the tenets of Jet Sweeps, but at least it's an ethos.

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The misdirection was more so what I was alluding to, but haven't jet sweeps actually been relatively successful for us, especially with Hooker at quarterback?

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They have, in my opinion. I've just come full circle on jet sweeps from being annoyed by people who complain about them, to doing a deep dive on them, to embracing the meme.

I'm probably going to start yelling "JET SWEEP LET'S GOOOOOO" at the TV every time we run one now, gain or loss.

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Jet Sweep is the new Beamer Draw.

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I don't understand the different time tables. Anyone know how often the team is getting tested? It seems to me you would test every player and staff member every 2 days. You test positive and you sit out, you test negative and you practice. Anyone that has tested positive can return once they test negative and as long as cleared of myocarditis, etc.

If guys are sitting out for contact tracing then it just means to me that either 1) they are not testing everyone or not testing frequently enough thus have to resort to quarantine OR 2) a negative test doesn't clear you and you have to wait however many days they've established to be the magic number.

I just would've thought they would be testing frequently and a negative test clears you to play/coach.

I think we would need to know all the official protocols to have these questions answered.

It's also worth noting that if you were exposed to someone, got tested the next day and it was negative, you could very well develop symptoms a few days/week later. It hasn't necessarily had enough time to build up enough into your system to be detected if you're tested immediately after a potential exposure.

My understanding is a negative test doesn't clear you under the premise that you may have the virus, but it hasn't progressed to the point where it will be picked up by a test. Whereas if they wait 7-14 days and then you test negative there's more certainty that you aren't carrying the virus at all.

I understood it the same. But would I be wrong in saying that if you are not testing positive then you are also not contagious (yet at least)? If I am right, I would think it would be cost advantageous to fund daily tests and only pull the positives.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I think that is still up for debate. I will also note that this thread has the potential to go south real quick if we starting getting too deep into the COVID argument.

This is where I would to know how other teams and conferences are handling contact tracing. When LSU coach comes out and says most of the team has had COVID yet I'm not seeing the national blowback on that. Or Clemson has at least 3 players out yet no contact tracing of their teammates being held out. It just seems like there is no actual standard and Tech may be more cautious than many others.

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It certainly feels that way at this point, but time will tell.

I don't know for certain, but I would first guess they are following guidance from their respective states.

Yeah, after reading the article today that LSU thinks most of their players have had it, I think we're being way more cautious than most. I would assume the vast majority of these cases are asymptomatic, and a lot of coaches are just looking the other way until they quickly reach some semblance of herd immunity.

What a mess. Jeez.

a lot of coaches are just looking the other way until they quickly reach some semblance of herd immunity.

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From what I have heard, if say your girlfriend tests positive, you have to quarantine and the players you come into contact with also have to quarantine.

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Did not get away warm or fuzzies reading that.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Never a fan of hindsight, but reading between the lines, perhaps when students returned to campus the team should have been on a tighter lockdown? They were there before the regular students were there. I know you can't do total isolation, but is covid running rampant in the corps of cadets for example?

According to reddit posts multiple cadets are in contact tracing quarantine.

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Would love to know who is doing all this contract tracing as the local Health Department is not doing it.

You can only do so much... These guys are still going to go to the dining halls, they're still going to live in dorms where they share bathrooms, etc. Coach can't watch them and count while they wash their hands for 20 seconds.

Not to mention the fact that this team has 100+ college students, and a bunch of other supporting staff. One broken link in the chain can take the whole team down quickly (albeit, hopefully, at little long term risk to the players).

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Thanks for all the replies above. It is clear now that in contact tracing a negative test does not clear a player. I'm sorry, but if the virus cannot be swabbed then extremely unlikely that you're contagious. It doesn't make sense to me, but I understand why Vt is approaching it this way.

It does seem that other football programs are approaching this very differently. Will be an utter shame if we are the only ACC team that cannot manage to put a team on the field, especially if the primary cause for players being held out was contact tracing and asymptomatic cases (though we will never be told those numbers).

Edit: The players and staff must be so frustrated! I feel for them.

Correct. This is mind-boggling to me. The fact that if you are in quarantine for contract tracing you cannot negatively test out of it. You are quarantined regardless. So how many times are guys who are tested negatively for it going to have to sit in quarantine.

When it's handled like this you will never be able to field a team. I can't imagine teams in bigger metro areas, GT, Miami, BC are handling it the same as us and able to field a team.

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They are probably putting the team in a bubble.

So how many times are guys who are tested negatively for it going to have to sit in quarantine.

Wasn't it answered that every time they are contact traced to a positive test they sit out for 14 days? Exception is if you have already tested positive and been cleared to return, which gives you 3 months of not having to be tested or sit out

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In some cases it needs to incubate up to (not 100% but I think 7 days) for it to show up on a test. But yeah anyone who's waited the better part of two weeks and is still testing negative should not be held out.

The real issue though is the university putting everyone in this situation, and seemingly not doing anything to mitigate it.

The coach that tweeted about their kids being his muse...I read that in a John Malkovich voice.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

It's just a game. Everyone step back from the ledge.

Side note YouTubing Memphis vs BYU brawl lead to this gem

Unexpected Vance Vice sighting in the blue corner.

The title of that video is a little misleading. Nacua didn't get knocked out- he ended up landing a punch once the brawl died down.

Goodness, is that Vance Vice holding back 94? 🧐

You could say he was Miami Vice at the time

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I know if he plays a significant role this season it will probably be more out of necessity, but it's great to hear Jenkins has been performing well. He's a long safety at around 6'3 and I'm sure has a frame to add plenty of muscle. I also remember our Jacksonville area insider telling us to keep an eye on him when he signed. He was really high on this kid coming out of high school if memory serves me right.

He's been really close with Showtime Tyree based off social media--really excited to see those two guys ball out eventually.

Calling 904!

I miss those good Jacksonville updates!

Great that we were pilloried for trying to do the right thing while no one talks about LSU or Clemson's outbreaks during the off season.

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Yeah, to me this whole thing is bullshit. It seems like we're trying to do the right thing and be cautious, when the biggest names said fuck it lets let this shit burn through us and we'll be ready to play. But somehow we're the assholes.

I'm just ready for some good news. Fuck. If it was raining #%@#$%# we'd get one with a $%#^ in it.

If Davidson is currently on the VT staff, that tweet is out of line.

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Active coaches bitching and pushing conspiracies is amateur hour, IMO. Focus on your team

Totally agree. Control what you can control. Whining about perceived unfair media coverage is poor form

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Counterpoint: If you never push back against unfair media coverage, your program is placed in a artificially poor light, impacting your recruiting and public perception. Seems like combating unfair/false media reports is crucial to ensuring truthful representation of your program.

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The VT coach double edged sword- say nothing and fans skewer you for being closed off. Say something and fans skewer you for saying the wrong thing.

If we want coaches to control what they can control, then they should never say anything to the media. And yet everyone gets pissed off about that.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

There's a way to push back against what you perceive to be unfair coverage (perhaps talking to the media?), but quote tweeting articles about other programs and saying "but what about theeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmm" isn't really beneficial to anyone

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I definitely agree that this example was in poor taste.

Get Angry, Bud!

Agreed. Different states, different time frames, different students-on-campus situations...just move on and focus on the job at hand.

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I kinda thought so too but I could forgive it as I could see how frustrating it would be to get accused of not running a tight ship when in fact that is actually the cause of the numbers being out for tracing.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Hey East Carolina - paying attention? Coach called coach to cancel a game. Seems like the right way to do it.

UVA declined chance to move Tech game to week 1 to replace NCST.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Alright, let's fire up the spin machine and find an angle to drag them for this on Twitter. It's only fair.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

State cancelled but we weren't ready either. It wouldn't have mattered

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Yet no one knew that at the time.

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They would have when we cancelled or rolled out 2 OL.
If uva had agreed to move it up, and we cancelled a week earlier, what's the difference?

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So timeline here:
NCST cancels game August 26th a full 17 days prior to the game being played.
UVA is asked that day or the next to play Tech on that day and declines.
Tell me again why that is the same as Tech a few days prior to the UVA game not being medically cleared to field a team?

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We couldn't play on the 12th.

Asked on the 27th, or the 30th, or the 11th...whenever. Say uva agrees to the 12th....we still couldn't play. We had 2 OL ready on the 12th. Even if the agreement was made on the 27th, that doesn't change our numbers.

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I don't know if we knew we couldn't play on the 27th or 30th. It was definitely clear at some point before the press conference the week of the original NCSU game that we couldn't play.

Right.. Doesn't matter when we knew WE couldn't play NCState on the 12th because NCState called that one off early...but at some point between the 27th and the 12th VT was not capable of playing on the 12th. No matter the opponent.

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I agree, however given this updated knowledge, it changes the narritive in my mind. People within UVA are on record saying we canceled the game because we're scared, didn't take care of ourselves, they deserve the cup, whatever. Now, we know that a few weeks back, it was offered to move the game up to preserve a bye week, and they declined. It gives me some solace regardless if it would have worked out or not, as they had no way to know at the time and backed down for their own reasons. Not that any of this matters, but fuck UVA. If they hadn't handled this whole situation like a bunch of spoiled dipshits with manbuns, I wouldn't care.

All that means is we would have been the bad guys a week earlier.

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I'm going to negate reality and say we are now tied. It fits my week better.

Especially when we wouldn't have been able to play the following week either.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Which in a strange way, probably makes it worse...

VT:
-Ok, we'll play a week early.
-Um, hold on. Maybe we can do next week?
-Wait, no, that's not going to work either.

So, we could have cancelled TWICE on them...that would have burned down twitter.

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Anyone have the scoop on Fuente's hat in the cover photo? IT seems that hat is older than Fuente's career at VT. Did he scoop up a used hat at some point?

maybe we don't pay him well enough to buy new gear...

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If you do some jogging in a hat, it doesn't take long for it to look like that.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I'm gonna say a few years in spring and summer workouts wearing the same hat will do that. Not to mention any other time at home he wears it doing whatever.

Is this where we are at now??

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I can make a hat look like that after one summer of mowing my very tiny lawn every 1-1.5 weeks while wearing it.

Hat speculation thread when?

Not to mention any other time at home he wears it doing whatever.

::shudders::

Any news from guys with sauces on this weeks covid testing or when we'll have a better idea about the NC State game?

Not well. We now have a coaching staff problem.

French for Associate Head Coach!*

*Have no idea who may or may not be testing positive just thought it's a good title.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Source?

As the heated exchanges on Twitter between Hoos and Hokies suggested, Fuente said the team was "crushed" to get the news. He noted that all the players left on the team "have been given a free pass out" of playing this season, yet have chosen to enduring the grind of this very unusual fall camp anyway, so no one should doubt their commitment to pressing forward with the Commonwealth Cup.

Just seeing this stuff for the first time right now. Watching a UVa offensive lineman no one has ever heard of and will be forgotten by Hokie Nation in two weeks trying to claim intellectual superiority about something he has zero understanding of against a football team that his school has beaten twice this century might be the most UVa thing that I've ever seen.