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I should note there are a handful of retread P4 coaches that have worked out (Sark, Kiffin), but they tend to go to the biggest programs. I think Franklin will do the same since he probably wants to compete for a natty.
The reason schools don't go that route more often is because any P4 coach that is gettable is going to come with baggage. Either they underperformed at their previous school or they're washed up (looking at you, Rich Rod).
Like another poster said, you really want someone who is younger and hungry to prove themselves. That just doesn't fit the mold for what most P4 retreads are.
I still hate Larry Fedora. Remember how Mack Brown complained about programs using his old age to recruit against him? Larry Fedora invented that recruiting strategy.
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8 months 3 weeks
# | The Argument for James Franklin to be the next VT Football Coach I live directly between Atlanta and Charlotte in Greenville, technically a bit closer to Charlotte, but I avoid it like the plague. Atlanta's airport is by far my favorite of ALL the airports I've used in my life. I have made sub 30 minute connections due to efficiency of the plane train and the layout of the terminals.
Whenever I see negative jokes about the Atlanta airport I'm always a bit perplexed. That's gotta be based on like an anecdotal experience getting stuck there during some massive storm, which is like obviously something out of the airports control and can happen almost anywhere (though of course some places are more prone to extreme weather than others).
Objectively false because you land in New Jersey, the pinnacle of earthly culture and paradise. Smh bar. Smh
Beyond that, it's the fastest drive to Manhattan from any of the three major airports, the public transit options are pretty easy too because you can take NJT directly to Midtown or transfer to PATH to get Downtown.
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8 months 3 weeks
# | The Argument for James Franklin to be the next VT Football Coach Newark has the worst airport food I've ever experienced.
Last time we were there, we were arriving in from out of the country. Catching our connection involving a 30 minute walk, a portion of which was outside???
Denver is my home airport. It gets a lot of hate that I don't really understand. It's laid out in a very easy to understand way— similar layout to ATL! Great food options (and getting better). Easy public transportation to get there. Only thing I would change is give me an option to walk between terminals; sometimes there are huge lines for the train. It is windy as hell out there, so that's a fair point.
He kicked our ass twice.
These days, who hasn't?
yup, classic in my book for sure
the best options are re-tread P4 head coaches (46% success rate) and sitting G5 coaches (42% success rate)
With that said, the best options would be re-treads; Dan Mullen, Justin Fuente (LMAO), Chip Kelly, etc.
or G5 coaches; Troy Calhoun, Jeff Monken, Spencer Danielson, Bob Chesney, Jamey Chadwell, etc.
The worst options would be sitting (or freshly fired) P4 coaches; James Franklin, Shane Beamer, Billy Napier, Trent Bray, Mike Gundy, etc.
I think you all probably see my point here. I don't think it's worth selling the farm for James Franklin. I'd much rather hire Dan Mullen or Bob Chesney
I had no idea what my flight analogy would set off, but not surprised!
The Argument against James Franklin being the next VT Football Coach
Specifically,
#3) Power Four head coach
Success rate for retread P4 coaches: 46%
Success rate for sitting P4 coaches: 15% (!!)
retread defined as:
those who took a gap in between their tenures after being let go
Franklin would be more in the "sitting P4 coaches" category here
It's hard to argue with Shelton's data....just sayin'
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8 months 3 weeks
# | The Argument for James Franklin to be the next VT Football Coach Teddy KGB! God, I love that movie.
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8 months 3 weeks
# | The Argument for James Franklin to be the next VT Football Coach Newark: for when you want to be able to fly direct from the Philly area to western Canada to visit the wife's family. Of course, those are United/Air Canada code-shared flights, so I'm in agreement with you.
Hey folks, had to go a ways to reach this thread, but don't have much to report this year. Our fishing here around the Middle Peninsula and the Mobjack Bay has just flat out sucked. 0-4 fish days are more routine than unusual, and keepers are hard to come by of any species. Old timers around here agree with the assessment that this is the worst season they remember, with dock owners unable to catch fish they normally catch at their homes, and boaters giving up and already pulling out for the year.
My bass fishing buddy said even the bass have deserted him, smallies and bigmouths there near Richmond.
I'll wrap up with the observation that the fishing thread has about run its course here on TKP, but it's been a fun ride while it was active. I'll leave you with a factoid. My trout friend, Hokie Paul, tagged a redfish in the Piankatank in May at 16.5" in length. It was caught in the 'Tank this month and in the 142 days it was out, it had grown to 24".
It's cool to have those tags returned, and Paul tags a ton of fish. Good growth, also, but not much in the way of competition this summer, as reds were few and far between.
Not sure I'd call Franklin a re-tread. Yes, he's unemployed, but only for a week!
Christmas would mean would took a big swing or missed bad.
Or both, lol.
I agree that we could, and should, get Franklin (or any unemployed coach) on board sooner.
My guess is that they would like to announce coach and GM at the same time, so there may be a couple extra weeks for that. Does anyone know anything about Andy Frank, PSU GM of Personnel and Recruitment?
Might also need to communicate with PSU about the salary offset and timing of potential assistant coach transitions.
I agree transfers are the immediate way up, but hanging on to the best of the current class (including trying to bring back recent decommits), plus the new coaches getting their best commits to follow them gets that developmental group going.
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8 months 3 weeks
# | The Argument for James Franklin to be the next VT Football Coach Newark: For when you absolutely must fly United and there are literally no other options, you looked extensively.
It takes a hall of fame coach to consistently win 10 games a year anywhere.
ooo...I really don't like your second tin-foil-hat-conspiracy - Whit's hiring record for football coaches is not good (including Cincinnati)
That said, I'm not super confident in the committee either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My hope is that we go after a guy who has a proven record of winning and has experience at HC at any level. I don't want to promote some coordinator because SEC or some nonsense. I also don't love the re-tread route but I'd take Mullen or Franklin over some random guy we've never heard of. There are a lot of big time openings (and there will be more) so I think the sooner we lock someone in, the better.
I'm going to be really disappointed if we strike out on everyone and end up promoting some random coordinator or hiring some old guy who has HC experience but has a spotty track record
Let's get Franklin in the boat so we can move on to re-building a winning program..
My retained hatred is of Jagz (Jagondinski, not sure of the spelling) and the asinine dancing on the 50-yard-line or whatever he did that was something a kindergartener wouldn't have bothered doing. To his credit, that was the last time BC was truly competitive, altho that was probably attributable to Matty Ice (and the Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned).
His team is ravaged by injuries right now.