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# | Bitter: Sr DL James Djonkam and FR DL Keyshawn Burgos are no longer with the football team 
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# | Bitter: Sr DL James Djonkam and FR DL Keyshawn Burgos are no longer with the football team But to extend the metaphor, don't quit and then expect your old employer to float you until you get a new job. That's absolutely ridiculous
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# | Bitter: Sr DL James Djonkam and FR DL Keyshawn Burgos are no longer with the football team The key word in Shelton post is "accordingly"
(Pre-NIL) a group of employers (the universities) all colluded together (the ncaa) to artificially cap compensation.
If Walmart, Amazon, and target all agreed to work together to cap wages, they would be sued into oblivion (like the ncaa is now).
The question is not 'are these players deserving of money beyond a scholarship?' Rather, the question is, "under the labor laws agreed upon in this country, is a university allowed to limit their compensation?"
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Some empty seats, for sure, but they stayed for the game and made plenty of noise. I hate 'em, but as someone else said, you gotta give credit where it's due.
It truly was a good game, but was like seeing a car wreck. You hate it for the people but you can't help but look. I sat it out and hated every minute of it because it just seemed like UVA was for real and was somehow going to win that game, regardless of the turnovers on offense. FSU looked good, but their defense just couldn't stop the 'hoos. I fear for our season a lot more now and my weekend is ruined since I can't watch the Hokies regardless of how the NCS game goes. What a world, what a world.
VT is correct to put more money into football. They're REALLY going to need it.
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# | Bitter: Sr DL James Djonkam and FR DL Keyshawn Burgos are no longer with the football team How many of those schools are willing to keep paying them after they've quit the team and entered free agency?
When you independently decide you're a non-participant, your NIL and any athletic scholarship should end.
Otherwise, you play if the coach tells you to play.
Doesn't the team decide whether to redshirt you or not?
This seems to be about a lawyer trying to get paid his customary rates while the player gets to have his cake and eat it, too.
If this were permitted, it would be a lot cheaper to just pay the guy, but then why wouldn't all college players who want to leave any team just do the same thing, and get a paid year off?
No, the player can't be permitted to redshirt on his own. And if a player DOES redshirt with the team's approval, shouldn't the NIL be reduced?
If you want to be viewed as employees then don't complain when you get treated like one.
Congrats!! That's awesome.
So, there are a couple of issues that may be in play here.
- Do NIL deals distinguish how to pay players that redshirt?
- Do NIL deals contemplate payment when a player withdraws? I would presume that schools don't pay after a withdraws, but I don't know. House settlement has that players are not to be paid upon entering the portal, but it does not seem to cover whether a player withdraws but doesn't transfer or unilaterally decides to redshirt.
- Would a court (or arbitrator) find that a unilateral decision to redshirt is to be considered a withdrawal to warrant no payment?
- Settlement threshold - This would be too expensive for either side to really pursue a legal battle over a single contract. Does VT just give in and give the full payment? If VT offers a settlement of a reduced payment, does the player take it?
If lawsuit ends up being many players, especially players with expensive contracts, then maybe there is a monetary incentive for VT to pursue it in courts or arbitration. I doubt it gets there, and this will likely be settled quietly or VT just pays.
He will make money running up the billable hours during the jurisdiction fight process AND, his costs will be lower because it is close to his home.
There's always an excuse. Clark Lea isn't a good coach, Jerry Kill is actually why they're winning. Pry never called plays, it was always someone else. This guy only won games because this guy was on his staff. It's tired.
Bob Shoop was actually the main DC and defensive play caller at Vandy, Pry was just co-DC and sort of learning the ropes. Same with the first two years at PSU.
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# | Bitter: Sr DL James Djonkam and FR DL Keyshawn Burgos are no longer with the football team How is getting your education paid for not like a salary. What if they paid them but then they were forced to pay tuition, fees, room and board like everyone else? As well as pay for the tutoring and other benefits they get.
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# | Bitter: Sr DL James Djonkam and FR DL Keyshawn Burgos are no longer with the football team Our starting lineup lost 3 of 4.
You can't compare this really to the private sector. The rules are set where the player more commits to the coach than the school. If the coach is fired, they can transfer - that's a tie between the player and coach. In the private sector, the distinction is made that it's a tie to the company, not the boss, so it wouldn't matter if your boss left, you'd still be expected to stay with the company. You can argue that the college is paying the scholarship, but in the private sector, there isn't some governing body that says if your boss gets fired, you can get out of agreements with your current company.
He was good at Vandy and they definitely didn't have a talent advantage
But the coach that would make the decision was fired. That's why the NCAA allows the athletes to transfer.
Plus, I'm not sure that's accurate. My understanding is that you have 5 years to use 4 years of eligibility. Not playing one year uses one of the five years of potential eligibility, which, almost by definition os the same as redshirting.
Am I confused that "entering the portal" does not necessarily mean they're leaving. If I recall, we had some players enter previously, but ultimately stayed.
Depending on who we hire and when, isn't there still a chance they stay? I thought the tie wasn't severed until they actually leave.
There were kids on the end zone before the bodies hit the ground on the last play. I am sure FSU will slow mo it and send it in to the ACC.
I think it would be an easy fight unless the athlete is from Florida. Would he be filing on behalf of all the redshirting athletes that were trying to collect as a group, or individually?
Somehow, Bama will be ranked 10 spots above FSU too
I don't think anyone 'expects' universities to do this. The reality is that with universities doing everything possible to not call athletes employees, the whole enterprise is at best an economic gray area. The only way to get past the ambiguity is to test the system. And that's what these people are doing.
It sucks that VT is stuck in the middle.