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I think it's for appearances only. Motley has been around forever and Evans is a newcomer (who was also hand picked by CJF). If motley isn't given what is perceived as a fair chance, I could definitely see morale issues.

Evans will be the starter but Motley will get plenty of playing time against Liberty and UVA.

Again why is it on parents? Why is their no responsibility on the drunk, his friends or anyone else? If I remove my kid because she is crying why is their no expectation of the drunk being removed?

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[I'm just screwing around. I'm really here for the food]

It still amazes me that Motley is even in the race at this point. Maybe Fuente truly is a QB whisperer. Then again he might be fully aware that Evans will be starting but he's just keeping the race open for competition purposes. We will know for sure in 25 days.

The responsibility is on the parents to recognize the atmosphere and environment you're walking into and know whether or not that is appropriate for your children. If being around out of control drunks is not the type of environment you want your children to be present, then Lane Stadium on a gameday probably isn't the best place for them, because eventually, regardless of how people in Lane should be acting, you're going to run into someone who is blitzed drunk. Its just the nature of the venue and event, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about that.

Then that person much like a screaming baby should be removed until they can return to the group. I remove my kids when they act up why isn't the same standard ok for the drunk?

In an ideal world, this would completely be the case at all times. Unfortunately, the reality is that shit happens, and people drink too much and get out of control. I'd wager to bet its happened to a majority of the people in here, and a majority of those cases, it did not happen intentionally. And when you mix 60,000+ people together in a stadium where tailgating with alcohol is encouraged its going to happen, and eventually, you're going to be dealing with someone like that.

wow, so much divisiveness on the issue of kids at sports games.

Here are the Rules of Engagement on this issue:

a) parents are responsible for the environment they take their kids to.
b) cussing should be expected to be heard at a sports game. players say them, coaches say them, fans say them. It happens. If you are a parent and expect an entire crowd of 50,000+ people to abide by your own rules you are kidding yourself and need to leave the kids home.
c) if you are someone that needs to drop a phuck, shite or arse in every other sentence then you need to grow up. If you are someone that gets over emotional to the point of losing your shit over a sports game, or getting belligerently drunk then you need to grow up.
d) neither you the fan with a kid, nor you the fan without a kid have the moral high ground. It's simply called courtesy. If you're asked to stop using foul language, apologize and try to. If you're so sensitive about your kids not hearing bad language in an environment that has ALWAYS had it, then don't bring your kids.
e) Everyone should want to see kids at games. Those are the next generation of Hokies. Fans are of all ages. To say they are not welcome is ignorant to the thousands that attend every year and the many that probably know the players by number better than you do. Kids have always been welcome to Lane for as far as I remember.
and lastly,
f) don't be a dick. That goes for everyone.

Or and I know this is crazy we don't create an enviroment where if your so drunk you can't control yourself you are welcome. No one should be so drunk anywhere much less in public they have no control over their own actions.

I completely understand everything you've said and I've understood both sides of this whole thing. I think both sides are right, in a sense. Every kid deserves to experience a game in Lane Stadium (some of my favorite childhood memories are in Lane and a lot of us wouldn't be so passionate about this school/team if we didn't have those early memories), but it's also not unreasonable to get drunk for a football game (to a certain extent).

And like you said, you see people who are crappy examples. Well, that creates an opportunity for a teaching moment. "Hey, son, see that loud drunk guy? See how everybody is glaring at him? See how he can't take care of himself and can't stand up? Let's never act like that"

But at some point when your kid is exposed to a vulgar drunk, the parent has to take some responsibility for putting the kid in that situation. The drunk asshole didn't come into your living room. You took your child to a place where you knew drunk assholes would be, and you either hoped you wouldn't encounter one, or you knew your kid was mature enough to handle it. If you don't think he/she can handle it, don't put them in that position.

I never realized how much I cussed in college until getting out and having to relearn my vocabulary to become a teacher. I now reserve F bombs for intense rage or pain. I assure you, I can substitute lots of words that convey enough emotion its obvious what I mean. My college age son now cusses, and I do get on him, or even his friends if cussing at my house, but wold not do so for them away from the house. I have also made a comment about how small someone's vocabulary is at a game before even when the kids were not with me. (never had to for a VT fan, though I no longer sit in the student section).

Telling the ref he would have made a better call if he got is fat ass in better position during the play would be offensive to some, and my wife does like me yelling stuff like that, but I do it anyway. Point is everyone's line is at a different place, but IMO opinion letting someone else's vocabulary control your mood is usually worse than ignoring it, having tried both.

I used the spring game as a test run for both kids before deciding if they were old enough to take to a real game.

My then elementary age younger son and older brother spent the car ride back from the ACC Championship game chanting "We hate the Seminoles, They suck our genitals" thanks to the VT students near us. We spent the last few minutes of the ride discussing our values on language with them. They still chant it during FSU games.

don't be an ass

HEY, language!