As a QB scenario only, where do you think the best spot for LT3 is?
My 2 cents: I'd like to see him in a Ryan Mallet/ Brock Osweiler situation. Behind an established starter w/ no pressure to step in right away and at a place that has a good record of QB development. For me that's the Green Bay packers. I think this works for GB as we'll too since their best back up option is Flynn. And no. I'm not a packers fan.
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#Hashtag #NotThePats.
Not the Redskins, Raiders, Jaguars or Dallas. A functional organization is all that I hope for him.
As a Skins fan I do not wish this upon him either.
I agree, even with the hiring of Jay Gruden, just look at the one weakness that the Cincinnati Bengals had on their offense, and that was Andy Dalton's failure to develop and improve. He hasn't proven he can develop a QB which is why I am worried about what we will see from RGThreesus over the next few seasons as well. Thomas would be third fiddle and would definitely not develop the skills he still needs.
As a Raiders fan I am torn. Honestly I wish we would spend the money to get Vick. Best team for LT3 would be Packers I think.
I may be biased because I am a Panthers fan but I think he could learn greatly from Cam Newton since Logan is probably best size and athletic wise comparable to him and both have huge arms but accuracy was an issue for Cam coming into the league like it is for Logan now.
I'm a Panthers too and as much as I would like to see Logan as our qb Cam is too young and doesn't have the experience as much as other teams with established qbs out there and he would really never see the field behind Cam
i AM a Packers fan and I love this scenario. #AllOfTheHokiesToGB
The Boykin connection couldn't hurt. Familiarity. Work on routes together.
Unfortunately I don't see that happening very often as long as RoDgers is there. It happening in the preseason would be cool though.
Agreed. And they're both hard workers so I would imagine they would go over stuff before/after practices.
Rodgers does get injured semi-often
I'm a Packers fan as well, and it is an intriguing proposition. I'm wondering what will happen with Flynn. He played pretty well after the Wallace/Tolzien debacle. If he stays, the QB position is pretty solidified for the time being, but if not, Logan might be a good option to back up Rodgers. As much as I love the idea of Logan eventually taking the reigns and bringing a few more Lombardi trophies home, I think we're still at least 3-4 years away from drafting Rodgers' successor.
Yeah, I wouldn't think successor there. But I think it would be a good stable low pressure situation for him to develop. I imagine him moving on from there to start else where.
Gotta go with the Lions.
Why the Lions? Matt Stafford and all of his bad habits haven't improved the last three seasons. He may manage to throw for 5000 yards but most of that is the threat of Calvin Johnson to throw to. He still throws way to many picks and cant run a red zone offense to save himself. I would worry that the new coaching staff coming in wouldn't be able to improve on Logan's deficiencies and he would fade into career backup forever.
Ok, I am torn on my reasoning and may ramble a bit trying to explain myself.
I have always been a big fan of Logan Thomas and want him to succeed in the NFL, and maybe going to the Lions is not the best bet for him given that everyone feels he needs to develop a bit.
Mainly (other then he is a Hokie) I want him for the reasons you stated. I don't think Stafford will ever be the quarterback the Lions hoped he would be, and I, for one, am tired of watching Stafford make bad plays, decisions, and throws. Our back-up is Kellen Moore who, while great at Boise State, has not impressed me while here. I know most everyone here thinks he (Thomas) needs to sit behind an established back-up for a couple of years and learn but hey, I am tired of being disappointed every year by what I see on the field. Thomas has impressed me with his discipline and work ethic, and that is, from what I see, what the Lions are missing. The Lions have talent, they just have not been able to put it all together into a cohesive unit and I think Thomas is confident enough in his abilities that he could become a leader for the team.
Plus we have a Fuller on the team (practice squad, but hey, he is on the team).
Don't forget about Megatron. It's kindve hard to overthrow a receiver of his size. Logan had a great season his first year starting. He wasn't more accurate during that season, he just had great receivers who could catch anything when the ball was within a certain window. With Calvin, that window is GIGANTIC.
That guy is amazing. I love watching him, like the old saying goes, Poetry in motion.
I'm a huge lions fan so im definently biased but I would live to see him on the team with a great receiver like megaton and a chance to practice with those guys. Maybe his character can ruboff on the rest of the team
I think Rodgers or Stafford are too young. You'd want him to be behind a great qb but one that isn't going to be around for 5 plus years. San Diego and New Orleans come to mind. Rivers and Bree's both had phenomenal seasons but are both in their mid 30s.
I can't think of a guy with a more opposite build from LT3 than Drew Brees.
No insult as I'm sure LT would learn tons but I would wonder if the NFL will let Drew ride around on LT's shoulders as some sort of megaplayer.
Made this in Paint for another thread. Seems appropriate here too.
Absolute badass.
San Diego, Pittsburgh, New Orleans. Those are the only three scenarios I see him succeeding in. Most other teams either don't have a great quarterback or have a young quarterback already. He would fit best in Pittsburgh in my opinion because I think he's more like Roethlisberger than people think (just because he's big and fast doesn't mean he's a great runner, probably the least agility you could ever ask for in a runner). He just needs 3 or 4 years to learn to how to actually make a read.
I agree, he's definitely faster than your average 6'6 260 QB, but I think a lot of people overrate his running skills. Don't get me wrong, he can truck people like no other, but he severely lacks the agility that other mobile QBs have. He's so powerful running North-South but he's not a guy who can juke and make all the moves it will take for running at the next level to be a real asset. He's much more a slightly faster Roethlisberger than a slightly slower Cam Newton.
And I would love for my Steelers to draft him, IDK how likely it would be since we drafted Landry Jones to "groom" last year though, but if our FO likes him they won't let Landry stop them from taking him. The Steelers need so much defensive help right now though that I doubt they take him unless he drops to at least the 5th round, which doesn't sound like it's going to happen with how much people love him at the Senior Bowl.
One of Ben's best assets is his pocket presence, and ability to extend plays while staying inside the pocket. That's why he's one of the few QB's that can perform behind that OL. IMO that doesn't exactly correlate to Logan, being that his pocket presence is one of his greatest weaknesses, and when he scrambles his mechanics go down the drain and he becomes even more inaccurate.
But linemen have a lot of trouble bringing him down. Ben didn't have great pocket presence his rookie year if my memory serves me right, but he was tough to bring down and developed that over time. I agree on the mechanics though, Ben might be the best passing quarterback on the run.
I didn't think about the Saints. That would be good. I think Stafford has been so inconsistent I could see a fan base calling for the switch to early. Pitt is intriguing with the Qb comparison. Though I feel like they struggle in the receiver department like LT3 had at VT. San Diego could be good too with the year Rivers had. Just as long as he doesn't take any throwing mechanic tips from Rivers.
Go to my Rams, he could be a potential backup/replacement for Bradford if he doesn't pan out.
Hasn't Bradford been "not panning out" for a while now?
He was having a great year this year until he unfortunately tore his ACL.
I really, really want to see Logan end up with Pittsburgh. Yes, my favorite team...but seriously I agree with "deathrow" and think that LT would be the perfect backup to Ben Roethlisberger and after learning the ropes would be incredible in their system. Two cents offered.
By system you mean having a great big QB so that it doesn't matter that their line is lousy, he can just shake off tacklers and make a play out of nothing?
Haha! That is funny...Well, LT sure has proven that he can do that, hasn't he?! And if the Steelers can keep a few players healthy and draft some good new guys maybe they can expand the current "system"... :)
The sure need to- I think everyone agrees their O-line is the biggest weakness
Fair, but the starters have respectively 2, 2, 2, 4, and 4 years experience iirc. They just hired Mike Munchak as a new o-line coach, so they might try to coach up young guys rather than drafting new talent.
The o-line looked pretty good towards the end of the year. We'd get back Pouncey next year, and then have hopefully some consistency up front instead of 8 linemen hurt. Plus, I'm interested to see what Levi Brown can do. I unfortunately think our biggest problem is on defense. There was no consistent pass rush this year, Jason Worilds was the only guy providing anything even resembling a pass rush. Now we're gonna lose Clark so Polamalu is probably gonna have to play a more traditional safety position (boring) and Ike got burned a lot last year. The pass defense could be rough.
Well said! Hey, on a related note....Any chance the Steelers pick up Kyle Fuller? That would be nice!
Chargers and Saints are two intriguing possibilities.
Here's another one I haven't really seen: What about Denver? Peyton won't be there forever, but talk about learning from one of the greatest. And he'd be a cheap QB (Almost certain he won't go in the 1st round, probably not 2nd) on a loaded team. Talk about a way to save some money, train a guy up, and then keep on rolling.
I think they plan on Osweiler being the future. And if Denver wins do you think Peyton is done?
Hmm that's a good point, I could see him retiring if he gets the big one.
Pending an offseason physical, he'll be back next year. Source
I hate the Steelers with a passion, but I think learning (to play QB) from Big Ben would be great for him.
So long as Big Ben doesn't try to teach him how to ride a motorcycle...
Or pick up chicks...
Agreed, hence the parenthetical phrase:
Big Blue... we could use a QB or a TE
Related question...when is Tyrod's contract up? Ravens need to either come to their senses about Flacco or let Tyrod go somewhere with a chance to win the starting job.
Next year is his contract year with Baltimore
Teams possibly needing a Qb in a year. Hmmmm. Every team with a new coach that won't spend a high draft pick on a qb. Bucs, Tennessee, texans (if they go Clowney), raiders are always a threat to someone's career, Arizona. I would imagine dalton only has one more shot in cincy. To much talent around him to be one and done every year. Just to throw a few out there.
I could see Tyrod going to Arizona given the VT connection there with the coach and the need they have out there. I don't think they will want to take a QB in the draft and focus on skill position playmakers.
AZ seems like a good fit. Palmer for another year or two and then LT gets a shot. I think TN would be a decent shot too - he can probably beat out Locker, who has either been hurt or average in his young career.
Tennessee will probably stick with Locker, Dalton certainly will be fine with Cincy next year. Terrelle Pryor is fast so Oakland likes him. Tampa and Houston seem like legit landing places but I think Houston picks a QB earlier than LT will go.
Call me biased, call me a homer, but Flacco gives the Ravens the best chance to win end of story. I feel comfortable in saying that multiple teams who have QB problems year in and year out would LOVE to have Joe Flacco as their quarterback. I remember where we were before Flacco, the Kyle Boller years are still too fresh in my mind.
Kyle Boller remains the only football player I've ever seen who, surrounded by green grass and scrambling down a wide open field with no one around him for 15 yards, could fumble the ball without even being touched, then kick it away from him.
Mark Sanchez is trying hard to match that though.
Pittsburgh.
I am a Steelers fan, so I wouldn't mind Logan landing in Pittsburgh.
Here's a sneaky-good spot for Logan to end up: Tennessee. They just hired Ken Whisenhunt as their next HC, who is somewhat of a quarterback whisperer and offensive coach. Jake Locker can't stay healthy unfortunately, and Ryan Fitzpatrick should never be the answer. If Locker can stay healthy, Whisenhunt can let Logan learn the ropes, and use him when Locker eventually injures himself out of Nashville.
Pittsburgh just drafted Landry Jones in the 4th round last year.
I think Logan Thomas going to the Cardinals and sitting behind Carson Palmer a couple of years would be great for him especially if he's the pet project of an offensive minded head coach who is also a former Hokie QB in Bruce Arians.
I just hope he doesn't turn into a turnover machine like Carson Palmer.
Welp, Matt Miller, B/R's draft guy says a scout has asked LT if he'd be open to moving to TE. Imagine that will be a question a lot of scouts ask.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1932194-2014-nfl-draft-matt-millers-s...
(sorry for linking to BR but Miller's stuff is normally above bleacher report quality)
They asked Tyrod to move to WR too
Being a Patriots fan I want him to be able to compete with Mallet for the job when Brady is done. So I hope Belichick see's his potential and scoops him up.
I know this makes absolutely zero sense if the argument is to have Logan sit behind an established veteran to learn, but man would I love it if my Bills drafted him. I know we have a truly abysmal last 15 years of quarterbacking and this situation may not be great for his future, but you never know what veteran Buffalo may bring in to back up EJ. Plus, Manuel's knees are a real concern after lat season so there's always that risk pushing the organization to take a look at QB. Still, it's tough to think the Bills are looking for a project after taking Manuel just lat year first. But like the old adage, keep drafting them until you find one that works. Not saying the Manuel experiment wil not work--it's way too early for that--but competition breeds success and I don't trust EJ's knees. Additionally, it would be a great story and cool to see two 757 studs who grew up together battle it out on the same squad in the NFL. Logan perfectly epitomizes the hard work and drive of Buffalonians and I would absolutely love the pick, even considering he may not pan out. I agree Pittsburgh also fits that mold well.
Ideally though, those that suggested New Orleans make sense because I think Bree's is the PERFECT mentor for him, the guy has unbelievable intangibles and quarterbacking skills considering his physical limitations whereas others are aided by such things. Ironically, he is one of my favorite qbs of all time (check my name), and I nearly went to Purdue in large part because of him (and their engineering program). The Bills also wouldn't be in the terrible predicament they're currently in (and have been since the 99 tragedy) had brass management listened to me and drafted Breed back then!
P.S. Buffalo sorely needs a game changing tight end too, but I hope we I after Eric Ebron if Khalil Mack or Sammy Watkins don't fall to us in the first.
Go Bills!
Isn't Logan from the Roanoke area, not 757?
Lynchburg
Lynchburg, actually.
I hope he finds a way to end up on my intramural team, although that might not be fair to him.
Honestly, hope he ends up in Carolina. They could really use a big bodied bruising tight end.
I just don't see him translating well to the QB position in the NFL. He would be a big project, that would probably take 3 years, minimum, to work out all the bungled mess that was taught to him by O'Cain & Co, and I just don't see another team willing to wait that long without drafting another QB, and potentially meaning he never sees the field. On the other hand, in my opinion, he has 'start now' potential at TE and the size & athleticism to do VERY well at the NFL level. I could very easily see him in the Jimmy Graham, Gronkowski, Tony Gonzalez mold should he end up on the right team.
I really don't even want to respond to this, but I just can't resist...
HE'S NEVER PLAYED TIGHT END. EVER. NOT ONCE IN HIS LIFE.
How is he more of a project at QB, which he's been playing for 7 years now, than TE?
We just can't get away from it...
didnt he catch a pass for a TD?
You're right. He did. One time. Let's forget all the other passes he threw as a QB, or ran in playing QB, or all the games he won playing QB because dammit, he caught a touchdown pass once and he's a big guy so he's a TE no matter what!
He did catch that "TD" pass from Rogers against UVA... (in addition to the awesome WF TD catch)
Just to clarify, still not on team "No Matter What, Continue To Try To Justify Logan Thomas as a NFL TE"
He still took the snap as a QB...
But what am I thinking?? In the two games where he caught passes, he nearly had 2 touchdowns! That's an incredible almost-touchdown-a-game pace!
Playing at QB he only had 77 touchdowns in only 40 games as a starter! That's a measly 1.925 touchdowns-a-game ...oh, wait.
He was lined up as a WR on that play. He also played some WR early in high school. He has never played TE in his life, probably doesn't know the slightest about various blocking schemes.
Pop quiz: What position was Logan Thomas lined up as on this play?
(Hint: It wasn't TE)
I'd really enjoy it, if Logan usurped Cam at QB1
We want LT for TEAM PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just want him to land with a franchise that has patience. I think he made huge strides in is last year and I beleive Lefty when he says that if he had another year with LT that he would be a first round pick. He seems to be a great young man - I hope he gets his chance in such a situation.
I think the Cowboys are a very real possibility. Romo is 34 and Orton is 31. I doubt they'd use a first round pick on Manziel or Bridgewater, so it leaves the later rounds for their searching. As a Skins fan, I cringe as I say this, but Logan could very well be a Cowboy.
I don't see the Cowboys. Romo has only been playing for 8 years as the starter, so I think he's got more left in the tank than a normal 34 year old. Plus, he still moves like a guy that's got something left in the tank. However, I wouldn't put it past Jerry Jones to trade up for Manziel.
Manziel will be gone by the 4th pick. The Browns will draft him, they might even move up to take him. They have 2 1st round picks and are the only organization other than the redskins to be that dumb to believe Houston would take him at 1
Yea, but you're not accounting for the Jerry Jones factor. If Al Davis was still around then I would've said Manziel to Oakland no question.
Which is? Losing all the time because you refuse to have a decent QB meanwhile you have one of the best WR's in the league. If Dez was on the Panthers, Niners, Colt, or even the Dolphins he could possibly beat Megatron for best WR.
If he could stop throwing a fit every time something happens that he doesn't like, that is.
He has never thrown a fit. He is always trying to motivate his team, the media is just really really stupid.
How exactly did he motivate his team by leaving the field early?
I think most other professional football players could do without someone screaming at them and throwing things on the ground. They know how to motivate themselves.
Dez is just another prima donna wide receiver. When he doesn't get the numbers he likes one week, he complains that he's not getting the ball enough instead of working his trade to get better.
He has never complained about not getting the ball enough. He left the field early, yes that was stupid. But most Cowboys fans I talk to agree that Dez is the type of player they need. Michael Irvin was the same type of player in the 90's for them, a very vocal leader that players knew wanted nothing more than to win. Dez is that same player, they just need a defense to help them occasionally.
He seems to be getting hurt much more lately. Just think they could make a push for a QB to start in 3 years when Romo's gotten much older
Not okay. They broke Danny Coale.
The Browns, that way he can continue to wear Orange..
I think that Logan would benefit from going to the Colts. Would he ever replace Luck there? No, but he could spend part of his rookie contract learning from Luck and then become trade bait after a couple years like Cousins likely will become for the Redskins this next year. Luck has many of the same tangibles (Big, surprisingly agile, able to throw outside the pocket) that Logan does and would hopefully help Logan develop the passing aspect of his game.
Going with the homer pick and say I would love to see him on my Eagles.
If he can work on some of his accuracy issues (which are already improving with proper coaching), I think he would be a great fit in Kelly's system, which is much more a run focused approach than people still want to accept (even with the NFL's leading rusher this year). The addition of a mobile QB adds a whole new dimension to it though. He wouldn't be asked to start quickly, as Foles will be the guy at a minimum next year, if not more, but would offer a fantastic back up option for the Birds.
as an Eagle fan, I would like that. Hard to ask for more than that 27:2 TD:INT ratio. And they have Barkley, who they're probably not ready to give up on.
One team no-one mentioned is the Ravens. Yes the Ravens. We all know Joe Fluke-o is not a good QB, he actually shouldn't even be playing above Tyrod I think.
Flacco is a better QB than Tyrod. I hate to break it to you, but he's not going anywhere.
If Tyrod wants to start, his best bet is a team in dire straits like the Jaguars or Browns.
Tyrod isn't that bad. Plenty of people thought he was the best deal the Ravens got for the draft that year.
No, he's not a bad QB. But he's not better than Joe Flacco, or about half of the QBs (at least) in the league right now.
For Logan's sake, I hope he winds up in Pittsburgh, New England, or Green Bay.
Logan is going to need a few years in a back up role to develop if he is going to have any success as an NFL QB. Those three teams all have aging QBs but not ones that are going to retire next year.
His best NFL comprable right now is Big Ben. Learning from him and then taking over (hopefully) in 3-5 years is I think the ideal. Seems like forever but its not when you look at Aaron Rogers career.
Speaking of Rogers, same thing but the system is a little more pass heavy than Pitt, so I think Pitt is a little better for LT.
New England has a QB in the wings using this same philosophy in Ryan Mallet. But no reason LT can't compete with him. Also, given Belichick's history of being able to develop underrated guys and get them into the best position, this would be the best spot for LT if he were open to just getting on the field, QB or not.
I'm a Ravens fan BTW. So this is all about me hoping a top notch guy and great Hokie gets his ideal opportunity.
Just responded on liking Logan in Kansas City but I could easily see him in Pittsburgh as well.
Maybe the Chiefs. He could learn under Andy Reid and he could prove to be a game manager with some deceptive open field running, like Smith. And let's be honest, no one wants Alex Smith long term. Loyal fans too.
After reading all the replies surprisingly this one makes the most sense to me. Never was impressed by Alex Smith and I could see Logan taking over for him after a year or two. Smith manages and throws the check down way too often and I think Logan's arm opens up the Kansas City offense more while still giving him a ridiculous safety blanket in Jamall Charles.
Saints playing behind Drew Brees would be his best chance to succeed. Additionally, I think Logan could really do well with the weapons the Saints have. For instance having Jimmy Graham and Darren Sproles as safety valves. This is something I think that VT was lacking his last two years. His sophomore year Danny Coale was great at this and David Wilson as well. I just feel like Logan plays much better when isn't forced to look for the big play every time and instead has easy passes that can turn into big plays.
Not Pittsburgh. Not Redskins (I'm a Redskins fan). Carolina and SF already have offenses built around guys like him, I could see him fitting into a backup role nicely there and he'd have a lot of time to develop. Ravens, probably would be good.
He'd certainly see starting time by his 2nd year in Jacksonville!!
I just CTRL+F'd and was surprised to see no one has mentioned Minnesota? Ponder obviously isn't the guy for them, they signed Josh Freeman midway through the season, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind another strong-armed QB on the roster that they can mold to fit their team.
Just imagine....Logan Thomas + Adrian Peterson.
The reason Minnesota's name isn't probably popping up is that they expect one of the 1st round QBs to end up here (Projected to most likely be Carr or Bortles). If they don't take a 1st rounder, then maybe it could happen, but I feel new HC + new OC = most likely 1st round QB of their choice.
I'm thinking they're going to go after an experienced QB in free agency (possibly Vick), avoid another Ponder bust in the first round, and draft a guy they don't have to throw into the fire right away/can coach up.
Here's another scenario that I thought of: The Bears. Even though Cutler just signed a huge contract, their scouts (according to walterfootball.com) want a QB in the 6'5" range and I think Marc Trestman would be a great coach for Logan. He'd also have a solid running game with Matt Forte and the dynamic duo of Marshall/Jeffery.
Pittsburgh or the Nawlins.
Not the deadskins. Maybe the Falcs. Wouldn't mind seeing a Hokie supplant Matty Ice.