Good move for the ACC. I was clamoring for them to move to either Barclays or MSG considering the demise of the Big East...this is a really good move.
I've also been vocal about UConn being the next addition to the ACC. If ND becomes a full-time member (I know, it's not likely), it puts the ACC at 16 strong. I think this helps UConn jump ship.
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Isn't that where the Atlantic 10/12 holds there's?
They reached a deal that the A-10 gives it up starting that season, but if I am reading the article correctly, the A-10 goes back in to Barclay's in 2019, so this would only be a two year deal at most for the ACC. ACC had to agree to some non-conference games between our teams and A-10 teams to be held at Barclays starting next year.
Makes sense. Try it out for two years to see if it works, like they did with the ACC Championship in football. Wouldn't want to sign a long deal only to have it turn out like Jacksonville.
I don't think this is a tryout. The ACC tourney has always been moved around for bball. It's been held in DC, Greensboro, Charlotte, Tampa, and Atlanta within the last 10 years. The North Carolina schools would never allow it to stay in NYC and to be honest it wouldn't make any sense to keep it there as geographically most of the schools are further south. I don't think the ACC tourney will ever have a permanent home and to be honest I like it that way.
$$$$ would trump sense with the ACC staff though. My understanding is that Barclays is paying the ACC to have it there. If those dollars are large enough I could see it overriding the North Carolina vote.
As of right now it doesn't really seem possible though does it? As you mentioned earlier the article says that the A-10 is going back in 2019. Are they going to try and make the A-10 schedule a week early or earlier in the week? The ACC is now a 5 day tourney and it doesn't seem very likely from a logistics standpoint at this point. Unless you are thinking the A-10 gets the boot, but with a 3 year contract in place the ACC tourney couldn't be held there until 2022.
Bit of a guess, but wondering if the strategy applied to kick A 10 out of Barclay's for 2 years (low attendance clause) applies to the remade Big East and the MSG contract. Watch the attendance shrink with the smaller less interesting league and step in and offer something better.
If ND becomes a full-time member, it really doesn't matter who #16 is. The challenge isn't getting UConn to join, it's getting ND to go all in.
Getting one more team to balance out most sports schedules would be a positive. As for who that team should be, I am more in favor of adding the Naval Academy.
I absoslutely agree, I was just saying that if we get ND to join, it doesn't matter if #16 is UConn, Navy, or whoever.
As an annapolis native, I would absolutely love this. It would be a great reason to go home every other fall.
Agreed. Best way to get ND into the conference as a full member is to make BC and Navy permanent in-conference rivals.
Now, if the ACC would only then realize that they've given up DC/Baltimore/Philly, then they could also add non-football members: Villanova and Georgetown.
Recentralize the ACC around Carolina to the south and DC/Annapolis/Philly to the north. Bring in the 17th and 18th schools to play Olympic sports. Atlantic Coast. Boom.
I think this is a terrible move, we only have 2 teams in the conference up that far north. Most of the teams are in mid atlantic which means for fans to attend it will not be cheap. DC would have been a better location.
Agreed. Richmond, VA, Charlotte, NC are the best potential suitors for the ACC tourney. Maybe even Baltimore, DC, or Philly, but I still think they're too far north.
The thing is, they are searching for a premier venue to hold the tournament. Greensboro Coliseum is not nearly as high profile as MSG or the Barclay's Center.
Truthfully, none of the alternatives are as high profile nor as much of 'an experience' for fans or teams as MSG/Barclays. I certainly fondly remember the 'Sail With The Pilot' days of the ACC, but this is a different world. Greensboro, Charlotte, Richmond, & even DC pale in comparison to attending the tournament in NYC. That trumps the geographic proximity, as well. It's nice to only have to drive to Greensboro, but seriously, it's still Greensboro. The trip to NYC is more memorable for the teams and for the fans.
Looking at a map, Syracuse, BC, and Notre Dame are farther north than Brooklyn, and Pittsburgh is close.
Damn... Duke just got a huge home court advantage in those future tournaments
How will you be able to tell the difference from the current ACC tournament? (I am referring to the officiating)
Not sure about that...upstate New York is full of Syracuse fans and at least one (right here) Hokie fan
I don't like conference expansion but I'd rather have an even number of teams in conference and UConn's a great basketball school. But they need to have an on campus football stadium because without it their football program will never be any good and I don't want another crappy football team with no fan base come into Lane so I can see the stadium half empty by halftime. I'd rather have ECU than UConn with no football team. ECU has a larger stadium, large fanbase, football success, and can build a bball program in bball capital of North Carolina. UConn might be better for ESPN coverage during the winter but ECU has massive pool parties and fits better geographically. I'd rather see a good football game than watch UConn play a league game on super tuesday.
Miami, Pittsburgh, USC, South Carolina, Baylor, and UCLA all say hi.
true. although Baylor's gorgeous new stadium will be on campus
The Coliseum is walking distance from USC campus, and South Carolina is too I'm pretty sure but that whole campus isn't really a campus. And all those school's football traditions say hi.
There's obviously more to UConn's lack of success in football than just the stadium but the process to build a program has to start with a stadium on campus. Pitt tearing down the Pitt Bowl is a travesty and now they have trouble fielding competitive teams and getting people into Heinz Field in a football crazed city. Miami has had attendance trouble ever since they tore down the Orange Bowl.
i agree. off campus is fine, but Hatford:Stoors is like Roanoke:Blacksburg. asking your students to trek 30 miles to see a home football game is just wrong.
as far as Pitt, their students are just lazy. it's the equivalent of Lane being in Christiansburg, and the school offers free shuttles. Heinz should be an acceptable alternative to a campus stadium. it's no different than Miami to the old Orange Bowl.
A lot of conferences have been apprehensive about holding tournaments in Columbia because of how the state house still flies the confederate flag on its grounds. Lots of tension there. Colonial Life Arena is a nice facility, but the stubbornness of the folks controlling the flag have limited its exposure and access.
I live in Columbia and even USCe fans, as obnoxious as some can be, won't tell you that they have a football tradition.
You're right. USCe has no BCS bowls (wins or losses), and little tradition to speak of. Two 11 win seasons is a spike, not a indicator of sustained success (such as 8 consecutive 10 win seasons).
Btw Columbia Hokie, I live in Lexington and have grown tired of the USCe fans bravado.
I've determined that some of their fans have a complex (not all - some of my best friends are Gamecock fans and are knowledgeable and fun to talk sports with). But my theory is that they have been so bad at football for so long that they don't understand how to deal with winning. I caught a lot of hell for us losing to Duke, even though they lost to Tennessee the week before and I never once mentioned it.
I live in Downtown Cola and it gets hard to deal with having to hear it some of the time. I went out of town a few weeks ago and we were talking ACC and Big 10 football. It was really nice not to have an SEC fan chime in talking shit with very little real knowledge and actually being able to have a decent football conversation.
The football tradition in Columbia is just the southern football craze
The UCONN stadium was originally moved away from campus as the Connecticut legislature was trying to lure the New England Patriots to the same new stadium. However Massachusetts gave them a new Gillette stadium instead to keep the Pats. Once the deal with the pats fell through, the size was reduced by the location wasn't changed to my knowledge.
I wouldn't exactly put Miami up there anymore nowadays.
For that matter, neither would I list Pitt or UCLA. At least not nowadays
Nowadays, not so much. But to say that you need an on-campus stadium to be any good is, well, wrong.
Regarding Pitt, I either forgot or didn't even know that they used to have an on-campus stadium.
I don't like the move. Why not Charlotte like the ACC Ship in Fooball?
I understand trying to appeal to the mass market that the Big East once did - but we are not the Big East. Revenues have a large role in this as well, but regardless of where it is played, people will always watch the best conference tournament on TV.
i like that the ACC Tournament travels. i wish it wouldn't go back to Greensboro so often, but i'm ok with it going back there from time to time for the history aspect.
open bidding is fine with me, but in general, i would like to see NYC, DC, Greensboro/Charlotte, Atlanta and Orlando all be in the rotation. i don't want Boston or Miami. Philly would be ok, but a little strange considering none of the Big5 have any ACC ties. I prefer downtown arenas where all the fans are staying/eating/drinking within a few blocks of the arena and everyone is walking around interacting, but i'm also ok doing a surface parking tailgate setup every few years, too.
If you ask me, it should be in Greensboro more times than not. The Coliseum was specifically built for the ACC Tournament, and its a good central location. Most fanbases can drive there relatively easily. Plus, the ACC offices are right down the street from the complex.
I like rotating it around, but it really should be in Greensboro about 50% of the time.
As someone who has attended the ACC tournament every year since '87, Greensboro is the worst place besides the Cap Centre to hold the Tournament. There is just nothing to do there, so it becomes a day trip for me from Charlotte. It'd be nice if they moved the dates that the tournament is in North Carolina to Charlotte instead of Greensboro, but I think the opportunity to sell a couple extra thousand seats to the local schools is too much for the ACC to pass up.
I can't wait for the trip to DC in '16 and then to NYC in '17 and '18. I think having the tournament in NYC will change the perception of the NE media that the ACC is the best conference for basketball.
One of my friends proposed this idea and I actually like it a lot. What if we let every region of schools host the tournament? So The Florida schools can put it somewhere down there. GT and Clemson can put it in Atlanta. The NC schools can have it in Greensboro (maybe they get it 2 years there since there are so many of them), VT and UVA can have it in DC. Syracuse can have it in NYC. Pitt, Louisville, and ND can screw off because we came up with this idea before they joined the conference.
For those of you that wanted Charlotte, here you go: