http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--ncaa-to-formally-charge-mississipp...
a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA enforcement staff alleging roughly 30 violations in football, women's basketball and track and field, sources told Yahoo. It is unclear at present what the breakdown is in terms of violations by sport. The NCAA does not comment on current, pending or potential investigations
These allegations are prior to 2012 so by that math UNcheat should be investigated by 2050.
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This should be entertaining. This is a great off season so far.
Who am I kidding? Nothing will come of this and it will just be another chance for us to complain about how the NCAA is worthless.
E$PN will be lawyer fees
Like many college football fans, I was wondering how Ole Miss went from what they were to a dominant recruiting program. Maybe they chose to go the Pitino route, IDK. But I was very skeptical about how Ole Miss was pulling all of these recruiting victories off.
Agreed. Oxford didn't all of a sudden become so appealing to those kids because of a new coach.
The recruiting year where they got Tunsil, Nkemdiche and Treadwell all within the last few weeks was really suspicious. They got 5 4* guys and 3 5* guys all within the last month. My SEC friends were even suspicious and their morals are already compromised.
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Funny that it would be suspicious considering that is what many expect of Fuente
Ole Miss is well known for using casino chips. Being so close to Tunica it makes it an easy target. They're untrackable and maybe a recruit or parent of one, just "got hot at the blackjack table" one night.
I'll also say that all schools cheat. If you don't cheat you aren't winning and you aren't trying, and I'm proud to say Tennessee is cheating. That said, when someone else is caught, it is an unwritten rule that you must ridicule them like your program is perfect.
I find this to be a truly deplorable way to approach life. It seems especially distasteful when part of the mission of collegiate athletics is to teach and provide young people with an example for how to live.
Its not a way to approach life, but it is a way to approach college recruiting. If it takes out-bidding another school for a recruit, then so be it. The days of "student first, athlete second" are long gone. If you wanna win, you gotta have the best players, if you want the best players, sometimes you gotta do what it takes.
I pray that our program never reaches the point where we would rather cheat to win than do it the right way, the BEAMER way. Cheaters never win.
UT knows a thing or two about never winning.
Says the team that's never won anything
Really?
Meh, I give the Vol a leg. UT was a national power until 10-15 years ago. Even with their terrible 10+ seasons or so, I think they still have the most SEC wins all time. As a fan of a team that is largely considered the best team to never win a national title, I do think it's unfair to make fun of a blueblood program for 'not winning'.
I didn't downvote him. I'm not one to pile on people for having differing opinions. But I certainly will have a discussion about it.
Agreed. I hardly ever downvote anyone unless it's blatantly and patently offensive. I never downvote for differences of opinion, and I'm especially lenient with fans of opponents (homerism factors in somewhat). If someone says something I disagree with, I will counter it with as cogent an argument as I can make. If the conversation devolves into name calling and just overall negativity, then I stop commenting and may be inclined to downvote.
I seriously hope the Vol guy hasn't been DV'd enough to not post. Overall, I've enjoyed his presence for a while and overall football discussion. We may not agree (and I will challenge you as hard as I can with that) but I'm all for friendly discussion.
First, Tech cheats wether you want to believe it or not. Maybe not on the level of other schools, but they do. Frank made a career off of 3-4* kids from Va, he didn't have to cheat as much. Everyone knew who he was and that he wasn't going anywhere. Also props to Frank for getting the most out of those players, but you saw what it gets you, an abysmal record against top 25 teams. Fuente doesn't have the luxury Frank did. He's the new guy and the outsider, no one knew if they can trust him 100% yet. If you want top classes and top players, the money is going to have to flow a little more freely. And if you think cheaters never win, just look at the past 15-20 years of championships and see who's won most of them.
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Shit we were doing the opposite for a while. Instead of giving players money, our staff was taking money away for disciplinary measures till Whit got wind of it.....
Oh man here we go again...
Until I see some proof or at the very least accusations of cheating against my University then I'm inclined to believe the opposite way. Cheating is nothing to be proud of, I don't care what level of sports it occurs in.
I'm not saying it's an all out bidding war, but a recruit coming out to find an envelope on his windshield is certainly happening.
This is very funny coming from a fan of a team who went 13-53 against Top 25 teams since 2002 while we went 27-25.
EDIT: For the record, 2002 was as far as I could go back on ESPN's schedule page and Tennessee doesn't have team rankings on their main football page for past results. Otherwise, I would have gone back to Frank's first years which would have included the 6 year stretch of 1-14 against top 10 teams at the beginning of his tenure. Still, pot, meet kettle.
Yea we had a terrible 10 years, we also had Derek Dooley. Despite that were sill top 10 of all time wins. Both of those records show 1 thing, both of our teams sucked the last 10 years.
Edit: If you'd look at the 90s you'd find it completely the opposite. We just didn't lose then. (Except to Florida)
Just one team was far worse than the other and certain people seem to forget that when making broad stroke comparisons. At least we ended up above .500 against Top 25 teams during a time that covers some of our worst seasons in the past 20 years.
Virginia Tech won a BCS bowl game in 2009 and went to a BCS Bowl 4 times between 2009 and 2012. The other year in that stretch Virginia Tech beat UT in the Chick-Fil-A bowl. We didn't win all of those bowls but we certainly didn't "suck"
Your opponents in those games were t exactly world beaters, just because you won, doesn't mean you're good. Tennessee wasn't good and had a coach on the way out. What were the others? Cincinnati? Kansas? Tenneasee would have have some good records with those schedules and opponents too.
Okay, man. You very clearly said "sucked." Which is very clearly false.
Also, I believe winning does in fact make you good. What other measuring stick is there for being good?
Playing Vanderbelt in the SEC.
They play in the SEC. By default that means their worst programs are better than everyone elses' best
/sarcasm
We just beat a top 15 team by 40 in our bowl. They sucked. Everyone knew what was coming and we did exactly what everyone excepted. We did the same thing to the same Iowa team that lost 1 game this year, last year. They had inflated records because they had cupcake schedules. I know you can't help who you play in conference, but its not hard to tell when a team is helped by the level of their opponents.
But flat out saying a team sucks even though they are winning games doesn't really make sense. Being outclassed by a better opponent doesn't mean your team is terrible.
Ok I'll admit "sucks" may have been strong for you guys. While I don't think you were near as good as your record showed, you certainly would have beaten us 6-7 times had we played head to head from 2005-2015
Im just still stuck scratching my head about:
The only people I've known with this kind of mentality are career criminals or crazy ex wives.
I gotta agree with the Vawl here. The one BCS victory we had during that period was Cincinnati... A win is a win, but beating the Bearcats is nothing to thump your chest over... As for the rest of the BCS bowls, the only remotely elite team was Stanford who just pounded VT, to the point they were laughing and toying with us in the 4th quarter.
Now, VT did win many games back then and winning does mean you're better than your opponent. In fact, we beat the piss out of UT and Kiffy-kins. There were definitely highlights. But ACC football programs during that time period were downright MAC-tastic and our opponents were definitely NOT 'world beaters.'
My argument was never based on Virginia Tech being a great team during that timespan. My argument was based completely around proving we didn't suck. Was never trying to be braggadocios about our success over that time period.
And if that was sucking then....!
[insert Innapropriate reference here]
I upvoted to offset. This comment is completely within the guidelines. It's not far off the mark either. I mean we lost to Kansas and it was embarrassing. We had some damn good teams from that era, I just don't think those laurels are big enough to rest on.
VT is currently 15th in all-time wins among FBS, so we're just slightly behind UT in that regard. UT does beat VT with the national championships, but only one in the modern era (1998). Since 1998, however, UT has not had much success. 1 BCS bowl appearance, 0 conference titles with 3 SEC East titles, losing record against the top 25, and 6 losing seasons. Compared to VT's 6 BCS bowl appearances (1 national championship appearance), 5 conference titles, 5 ACC Coastal titles, 32-29 against top 25, no losing seasons and 8 straight 10+ win seasons.
So yes, all time UT is the better program, but VT has had far more success and relevancy in the past 15+ years.
The past 20 years
We do far better against ranked opponents than UT has. If MoD wants to change that "Ranked" to "Top 5", he may have a point. (Table 4)
Whoa whoa whoa hit the brakes there buddy. Like someone below me said, until I see concrete evidence that Tech HAS cheated, I'm going to go with they haven't cheated. Assuming the worst in people/programs with a clean track record and a coach who is VERY well known to be honest, upstanding and legit is pretty pitiful if you ask me.
I understand that you guys don't get it, it's on for Tech to cheat, that's what college sports recruiting is now. It's not 1960. College basketball recruiting is so slimey it makes football look like nothing. Trust me you guys cheat, it's ok. Like I said, it's not always a bidding war, but for a recruit to "come across" a $100 bill here and there happens.
See, the difference here is Ole Miss has been charged by the NCAA for violations- meaning there's evidence.
Now you're sitting here saying "I think everyone does it, so there. You cheat." That's not evidence.
I get your point. I really do. But most people are going to need some sliver of evidence to believe that all teams cheat. Do I think it happens in more places than those they get caught? Absolutely. But I'm certainly not going to go around saying that everyone cheats because that just isn't a fair statement to make.
From Frank's book, regarding his visit to 5* Macho Harris:
Everyone has stupid little things that happen - an extra text message, incorrect forms filled out, whatever. But "cheating" connotes something much worse. Frank was a man guided by such a strong moral compass that he hesitated to drive a kid with burns to a hospital for fear of running afoul of the NCAA rules, something that any sane person would absolve later had he done it. But no. He adhered to the rules. Unless and until there is actual evidence that VT is doing anything wrong, I remain steadfast in my belief that we grew and prospered by living within the applicable rules. Just because there is an assumption that "everyone is doing it" does not make it true.
I'm not going to downvote you, but your comment is wreckless and irresponsible. Cheating is a pretty strong allegation, especially considering there is no evidence to back up your claim.
I equate this comment to me saying "you cheat on your wife, whether you want to believe it or not". Then backing it by saying "everyone does to some degree so you do, too".
And that is why I never want to be a part of the SEC. It's not okay just because "I think everybody does it."
Turkey leg for honesty. If you're gonna, well, be Tennessee, might as well find a way to be proud of it.
And this is the tone in Oxford right now:
Seriously, wake me when they're given a worthwhile punishment
There are multiple people in this gif I want to speak with.
Looks awfully familiar, doesn't it?
The sky is also blue.
To the surprise of no one
yea the football stuff predates because they don't have evidence on the current stuff yet. It's not like they did it years ago then randomly decided to stop. This will be interesting to see how this rolls out as details surface
There's still a qualifier in there of "most." Doesn't mean that current staff has no wrong-doings.
While I don't think our athletics program is sliding envelops full of cash to recruits, I'm positive that our program is far from 'no wrong-doings'. The 'don't throw stones in a glass house' cliche could definitely apply here.
This has GOT to be the NCAA right now
Good thing our coaching staff went down to Oxford trade coaching secrets with them /s
Until the NCAA actually does anything to UNC or Ole Miss programs will continue to cheat.
Don't these things typically have a lifecycle?
Something like:
NCAA investigates
NCAA does a press release
-- long time passes --
NCAA gives them a slap on the wrist, and points out that it would be wrong to punish the current student athletes for actions of others.
Update on the Ole Miss accusations. What they said before (see Joe's embedded tweet above) was totally false.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report--13-of-28-ole-mis...
Sanctions handed down today include loss of mcnugget sauce privileges for one week, two nights of no ice cream before bed, and a reduction of xbox hours per day from eight to seven.
Finally!! About time the NCAA stepped up to the plate!!
Honestly though, I'd be surprised if they don't find a way to still get those mcnuggest sauces.
I heard they will be forced to vacate their McNugget sauce usage from 2007-2009.
Sure... they've already eaten and enjoyed all of that delicious sauce (extra lbs to prove it), but they no longer get to recall those fond experiences in an official manner recognized by the NCAA. Deal with that harsh reality - cheaters!
...oh...but you're totally in the clear for future McNugget sauces...
I've heard that a couple of players have been summarily dismissed for ketchup use. Sad.
(#sauces, obvi)
I heard the players will lose the following priveledges:
free copies of NCAA 2016
access to the University's Betamax video collection
unicorn rides
participation in the ACC championship game
Lawyers for the school are appealing these sanctions, calling them an over reaction by the NCAA that unfairly punishes the student athletes.
NCAA 2016....now I has a sad.
Pre signing day/post signing day
I get the feeling that the 9 violations which predated the current staff were of the "Level II/III" variety (recruit got an extra bagel at breakfast, got extra fries without paying, etc) and the other 4 are of the "Yeah, we gave them 50 grand in casino chips if they would play for us" flavor.
I know everyone likes to jump on the SEC at every opportunity, and any upswing in recruiting is a clear indication (to most people) that something illegal is involved, but I have never heard anything but glowing reviews about Hugh Freeze's character and impact on the players in his program. That said, I am curious to see what comes out from this stuff.
If the past is any indication, this will be a joke of an investigation. I hope it's not. I hope they finally do the right thing.
But they will most likely let the public forget about it and then they will address it with three sentences on ESPN BottomLine a year from now.
Boy, Southern Miss is going to get hammered because of this....
Yep....looks like Fedora got out of there just in time by going to UNC to avoid any impending discipline from the NCAA.
Is it too early to start talking TN smack?
Never. I was the one that started it.
More fall out from this.
http://www.hookem.com/2016/02/11/report-texas-will-part-ways-with-chris-...
Another name that I have seen people wanting that should be NO WHERE NEAR THE PROGRAM.
Not a good look.
.... So you're saying Vaughn is available?
Chris Vaughn's name has now been added to the list:
From henceforth it shall no longer be spoken of.
Until I actually see evidence that he broke a rule I'm not holding judgement! And fwiw he may very well be our next db coach. He did work for Fu at Memphis. But like I said until I see evidence, I will not write him off.
He is being fired from UT and has an NCAA investigation right now, if Whit and Fuente hire him they don't get Hokie Nation or P5 college football really. Why would you hire a guy who could have a show cause on him in next season?
Have you seen the evidence? Cmon man as an ex Leo you know how this goes. And unfortunately a lot of this is coming from the Texas end so like I said until I see actual evidence, I will withhold judgement.
I dunno, I see Texas being willing to part ways with a football coach for non-football reasons to be pretty strong evidence that that is someone we don't want to be associated with.
http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/branden_wenzel_816697.html
Branden Wenzel the on Campus recruiting Coordinator for Ole Miss just "resigned"
This counts as confirmation of hookers and blow right?
no. knowledge of the locations of all skeletons, yes
Vaughan's release from UT is interesting given the NOA is not public.
News coming out today:
Ole Miss is currently at this level:
Their PR person is top notch though. Release this day after Baylor news right before Hokiday weekend. Also how happy are Tenn and UNC right now? Between Baylor and Ole Miss is anyone looking at them from the media? Side note on Twitter the Ole Miss faithful blind followers are really going after any reporter who talks about these issues.
how did autocorrect not catch this? Or do you use Hokiday regularly enough that it just added it to the dictionary? Can you use Hokiday in another context so I can learn the meaning of this word? Like: "Every Saturday in the fall is a Hokiday (except bye weeks)."
just joshin ya, man.
It looks like this:
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More like this - We are a bourbon crowd
And yet, just today, the Richmond Times-Dispatch is reporting QB Alex Faniel to Ole Miss.....
Who is advising these kids?
Kid said he has wanted an Ole Miss offer his entire High School career. Strange for a kid from Richmond to be an Ole Miss fan.
Note that he said he wanted an Ole Miss offer, not necessarily to play for them. You don't have to be an Ole Miss fan to want all the "perks" that come with a scholarship offer.
Except as soon as he got that offer he committed on the spot. He clearly wanted that offer to commit to that offer.
The /s was implied.
However, if Laremy Tunsil is to be believed, the perks continue as long as you're still on the team. You also don't have to be a fan of a team to want to play there. I've worked for companies I didn't like before. But I stuck around because the work was steady and the pay was good.
OMG love Lights.
I have no idea who she is.
But I hope she appears more often on here.
When it comes to recruiting, we're playing bridge while everyone else is playing Cards Against Humanity
We also already have a better QB commit and 2 better TE commits.
does that mean UVA is playing Apples to Apples?
They would be, but they're still trying to figure out how to open the box.
You mean they are still waiting for someone to open the box for them.
The nanny hasn't cut the apples for them yet