4-star G Anthony Harris Re-Opens Recruitment

Blue-chip guard Anthony Harris, the highest ranked member among Virginia Tech's 2019
signees, opened up his recruitment in the wake of Buzz Williams' move to Texas A&M. Harris signed with the Hokies in November.

Rehabbing through a torn ACL that he suffered in the fall, Harris should be fully healthy once his college career begins. "I can do pretty much everything," he stated. "I am not cutting or sprinting yet, though, but I have worked out multiple times on the court."

Once Harris receives his full release, expect for interest to come in from across the nation. He is a do-everything sort of guard that will immediately improve a program's chances of success just by stepping foot onto the floor. An elite defender that can score, facilitate and most of all, compete, Harris sits as the 71st best senior in America and the ninth best scoring guard in the 2019 class.

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He gone.

It happens. If he was coming to VT because of Buzz, then I think its probably wise for him to evaluate options due to new information

Unsurprising.

If Whit is able to pull a really great hire, perhaps we can save some recruits, but I think we're going to have to heavily rely on the transfer market no matter who is the head coach next season.

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More to follow for sure. Can't say I blame him.

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Tip of the iceberg

Hopefully whoever is hired can bring in a few nice recruits of his own.

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Yea smart money is on KBJ leaving as well, as much as it sucks

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I feel like I will need to break out some shin guards and a cup this week. I imagine the news will just feel like swinging feet.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I first read this as:

I will need to break some shin guards and a cup this week

which for a good minute I was trying to figure out what the hell kind of sport are you playing.

Women's Olympic Field Hockey?

Reaction here is much more level headed than 247

Yea anyone with half a brain would have seen this coming

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

You're implying those on 247 are half brainless?

The reactions on 247 never seem to be very measured.

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Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I'd imply way more than half.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I guess I am not seeing what you are seeing... Most of the posts say "Not a surprise" "can't blame him" "Going to aTm" "doubt he's the last" and "Why wouldn't he request it?"

Far from not being level headed on his decommitment.

Edit: To be fair, if somebody came over here and saw our 49348230948 topics about Buzz leaving and all the non-stop comment threads with the useless/repeated back and forth within them, they are probably thinking we aren't level headed here

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

You're probably right. A few are saying "why isn't Whit making phone calls" and "where's our coach?"

Sometimes I let a few real crappy posts skew my opinion of the thread.

I think we all can be guilty of that!

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No need to panic. What we lose in recruits and transfers out we can get back in new recruits and transfers in. Business as usual nowadays.

Edit: just to be clear I am 110% okay with players transferring and I encourage these kids to make their own career choices no matter what some crotchety folks behind a keyboard say.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Candidly, while I want everyone to stay, as a matter of principle I think the NCAA needs to be more lenient on players transferring.

Why should Landers Nolley not be able to leave VT and play next year for someone else? He committed to Buzz and now Buzz is gone. Not the NCAA's business to punish him for something that's totally out of his control.

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He committed to Buzz and now Buzz is gone.

Student-athletes sign their LOI to Virginia Tech. The scholarship is provided and paid for by Virginia Tech. I do think transfer rules need to be revamped but I also think the school deserves some protections as well. I'd point to the VT wrestling program as an example of a school being unfairly taken advantage of when Tom Brands left for Iowa.

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Why should coaches be treated differently?

Especially when you look at situations (mostly in FB) when players commit to a program and are recruited by a particular position coach who leaves after signing day?

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Is this a serious argument? Buyouts exist in coach's contracts for this very reason. Many companies offer to cover the costs of additional education or training but require the employee to commit to staying with the company for a predetermined amount of time.

Why should student-athletes have complete freedom to break an agreement without any protections to the university incurring substantial education and training costs? I'm not saying the current NCAA system is fair to student-athletes or couldn't be improved, but I think it's absurd to act like universities don't deserve any protections or assurances for the risk and financial commitment they make.

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Because coaches are paid accordingly to what value they bring to the university so a buyout makes sense. Athletes are not paid accordingly (yes feel free to add up tuition, food, housing, and books) to the value they bring to the university so a buyout/protection for the school doesn't make sense. Buzz was worth $3.1 million to Virginia Tech bball next year. What number would you put on Kerry Blackshear?

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Athletes are not paid accordingly (yes feel free to add up tuition, food, housing, and books) to the value they bring to the university...

I feel like we should specify that this really only applies to football, basketball, and maybe a handful of other sports at even the biggest athletics-focused schools.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

You are completely ignoring the value that the university bring to the student-athlete. If the NCAA didn't exist and Kerry Blackshear came out of high school looking to play pro basketball, he'd be extremely lucky to make $20,000/year. If you scoff at that number, then I'd point to the fact that G-League players currently make $7,000/month. So you tell me, is that because G-League players are worse than the average college basketball player or because minor league players have very little value without the university's name across their jersey?

Now feel free to add up the cost of living stipend, tuition, food, housing, books, access to facilities, training and coaching staff, and media exposure and tell me which one you prefer. Suddenly it doesn't seem so obvious for the average athlete anymore. Kerry Blackshear went from being worth $20,000/year, if he was willing to scuffle around in developmental leagues in foreign countries, to getting four years of high-level training, development and media exposure while earning a college degree and raising his value to closer to $100,000/year (this is estimated based on information I could find on foreign player earnings).

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Why the negative votes?

The first (OK, fifth) rule of TKP: You do not downvote opinions.

What's funny is that it's really not even an opinion. It's facts and data that I took the time to research in support of my argument.

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In 2016 Louisville made a $43.96 million in revenue in basketball with expenses of $2.29 million for a profit of $40.7 million. I just don't get how you don't see that the players add more value to a school that what you pointed out.

Top 25 NCAA Bball Revenue

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Obviously you have to have players to play the games. However outside of the phenoms like Zion Williamson, it doesn't really matter if the player is Kerry Blackshear, Zach LeDay, Joey van Zegeren, Jeff Allen, Coleman Collins, and so on. Fans will cheer for all of them and donors will continue to donate money because of our connection to Virginia Tech.

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If you're telling me support for Virginia Tech basketball was at the same level now as it was when Devin Wilson and Jarell Eddie were our best players then you've got me.

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and just like that we've stumbled upon why Buzz was worth $3.1 million to Virginia Tech bball next year.

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Come on man. I haven't said Buzz isn't worth the money. My point has been that if he is worth $3.1 million then the players are worth more than what you are valuing them at. You said fan support would be the same no matter who the players are. That's clearly not true.

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Fans want to win and success increases the value of a program but coaches are more valuable and influential regarding winning and losing at the collegiate level. Check out some of the numbers of these reported bagman payments to NCAA players and you might be surprised. Deandre Ayton was a top 3 recruit and ended up being the #1 overall pick after his freshman season yet the reports are that his handler only received $100K. It's highly unlikely that 100% of that went to Ayton and his family. So if a top 5 player is only getting a $100K "signing bonus" in essence, what would recruits outside the top 100 be getting? Those guys are viewed as having practically no value at that point in their careers.

The value of a college head coach isn't simply determined by Xs and Os, but largely by the ability to sort through the hundreds, if not thousands, of players who essentially have minimal value and determining which ones can develop and thrive in your system (what Buzz would call finding an OKG, as much as I dislike that term). That's why coaches make massive salaries, but the players still benefit because they get an opportunity to raise their value from nearly nothing to 6-7 figures over the course of their college career.

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Why do boosters try to pay players if they don't care who is on the team?

my 2c...
1) I can guarantee a good portion of that revenue is in the form of fan donations. Pro teams don't get donations.
2) How much of that profit was reinvested in athletics for non-rev scholarships, coaching salaries and facilities?

If you look at the link it doesn't look like it includes donations in the revenue. For instance it states Texas had a bball revenue of $17,567,914 but shows total athletic department donations of $42,159,118 and licensing rights at $75,014,854. So if those were included the numbers would be inflated.

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... and then deflated again when you accounted for the scholarships of all the non-revenue sports.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2019/03/12/the-most-valuable-col...

your link doesnt like my adblocker.. so here's a similar Forbes article

From the 2014-15 season through the 2016-17 one, Louisville basketball averaged annual revenues of $52 million and profits of $30 million; across those three seasons, just four other college teams had more than $30 million in average revenue.

(translation, Louisville is a big outlier in total $$, and their expenses are more like $22 million/year)

Between that home arena [KFC Yum! Center] and the nation's second-most-valuable apparel deal ($11 million annually from Adidas), Louisville leads the field in revenue from royalties and sponsorships. Last season the team ranked third in total home game attendance despite a mediocre on-court performance; ticket sales totaled $14 million.
Those are impressive revenue streams, but what really cements Louisville's position at the top of the list is an army of well-heeled boosters. Louisville's athletic department receives more than $30 million a year in contributions...

..Louisville's basketball team accounts for 72% of its athletic department's booster donations, an average of $24 million a year between 2014-15 and 2016-2017.

So revenues of $52 million per year, $24 million of which is donations, not quite 50%

Well, fan donations and fan support (like buying tickets), a good bit of which is due to an association with the university, not the specific players.

Sure, boosters want the best players, but it's all relative to college sports.

But after the player finishes the season, academic year, and semester they're done. It's not like VT is paying a scholarship for a player they aren't using on the court. After that season and academic year they leave and there is no financial burden on VT's part. They aren't feeding him or teaching him anymore.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

This is really a conversation that has been beat to death. I'm really not trying to go down the "pay the kids" road. Moreso the "if we aren't going to pay the kids, then they should be able to go to whatever school they want" road. Arguing with people who have that view point about paying athletes is a waste of my time.

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You literally asked me "What number would you put on Kerry Blackshear?"

I answered the question with supporting data and now you are deflecting. I'm interested to hear...
What number would you put on Kerry Blackshear? Do you believe Kerry Blackshear is more valuable than G-League players? If so, is it because Blackshear is better than the average G-League player, or is it because he plays for Virginia Tech?

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Yes because Virginia Tech brings in more revenue than a G-League team. You didn't answer my question either. Why is Buzz worth $3.5 million then? Why is there such a huge difference in the value between coach and player?

Yet again. I AM NOT ARGUING THAT PLAYERS SHOULD GET PAID. All I'm arguing is that I think schools are protected enough by the money they bring in off these programs that if a player wants to leave and go somewhere else, then he/she should be able to do so unrestricted.

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It's the modern-day equivalent of the mill store.

Back in the 19th century, local mills would sometimes pay their mill workers in credits at the mill store. These were items of value, as they could be traded for household goods and services at the mill store, but they didn't have universal value, so they couldn't be used anywhere. In a similar vein, "Student-athletes" are given a good bit of value in the tuition/food/housing/etc, but it doesn't have universal value, because it isn't fungible, and can't be exchanged for food, clothing, etc.

It's quite bullshit to say that the generators of value in a multi-billion dollar industry can't receive any fungible compensation beyond the COA of the scholarship. Calling the scholarship value an equivalent to compensation for their hard work is a joke, TBH. Would you accept something similar for your job?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Arguably the eduction they are receiving at a top university, while not a tangible item, has universal value. Unless they "didn't come to play school" and don't graduate.

Rephrasing: The education they are receiving doesn't have transferrable value, in that it cannot be used to buy things. Employers generally reward workers with something of transferrable value (e.g. money), which can be used for goods and services based on the recipients priorities. Essentially the schools decide what is important for the players and provide them with such, rather than the players deciding what to spend their own money on. No employee would ever choose to be compensated in this way, and they have no choice in the matter (no other alternatives).

There's a lawsuit in the making over the "student-athlete" limitations, and the NCAA can either change or be changed.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

No employee would ever choose to be compensated in this way, and they have no choice in the matter (no other alternatives).

Why are the G-League or foreign basketball leagues not considered an alternative?

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Is the G-League open to players out of high school?

And since when should "leave the country" be considered a legitimate alternative to the artificially-limited compensation monopoly that is the NCAA?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Is the G-League open to players out of high school?

Darius Bazley did it this year.

And since when should "leave the country" be considered a legitimate alternative to the artificially-limited compensation monopoly that is the NCAA?

People have to make difficult decisions to move to away from home, across the country, or to a different country all the time in pursuit of job opportunities. Nobody is forcing them to sign the LOI or scholarship agreement. If those options are so terrible, then don't accept a scholarship, don't go to the G-League, and don't play basketball in a foreign league. You are free to further your education, get a job, or lay around in your parents' basement like everyone else. You don't find it odd how even superstar players like Zion Williamson somehow end up deciding a year in the NCAA is more beneficial than guaranteed millions of dollars he would be paid to play for a year or two overseas? The only way that makes any sense is that the NCAA provides more intrinsic value than you are giving it credit for.

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I believe some scholarship athletes receive and additional "cost of living" stipend. It's varies by conference but is anywhere between $2,000 and $5,000 depending on school or conference. They're free to use the money as they choose. No, that doesn't negate the argument regarding amount of amount of money athletes make for each school and is comparably minute, but it does negate the argument that athletes aren't given any additional funds and that the school controls every aspect of their lives.

Stipends

The stipend you are referring to is what it costs to live in the dorms. So freshman don't get this. When you move off campus is when you get this stipend and it goes to paying your rent. Since it is very hard to get a job while going to school and playing football, that is why this stipend exists. Yes it varies by school as some.....when we had a coach come over from Notre Dame he made a comment to me that we were getting screwed and was shocked at how much less we were getting

It makes sense to me that VT players would get less. Rent is super cheap in Blacksburg. Where else can you get a decent place for $300-$400 a month?

Based on my experience knowing people at a low major school who play a non-revenue sport on scholarship, this is not entirely true.

Only the football and basketball players get the stipend, However the non-revenue athletes get the cost of the on-campus apartment/meal plan in cash to pay for that. Though off campus is cheap enough where they come out with extra spending money.

Football and basketball players get money on top of that.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

I have heard that certain players can have their stipends refilled if they happen to run out during a month (or whatever time period). Toes the line of paying the athletes. I'm sure certain coaches utilize that in a semi-compensatory way. Whether refilling a stipend is bending the rules or breaking them, I'm not sure.

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It's absolutely a serious argument.

The deck is completely stacked against NCAA athletes. They aren't paid, they aren't able to make money off their likeness, etc.

If circumstances change at a school they have to miss an entire year of playing because of something completely out of their control OR stick around and play for a coaching staff that they did not commit to.

Yes, VT invests in them but the ROI is measured by their play on the court.

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BuT tHeY gEt ScHoLaRsHiPs!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The vast majority of NCAA athletes will never sniff the professional level. I think you are undervaluing a free education, and earning a degree from a university they likely would not have been able to attend had it not been for their sport.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

True. Tuition, and room and board at a major university does have value.

You are completely correct. I did some rough calcluations above but some people get upset when facts are brought to an emotional conversation so I'm getting downvoted for it.

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Just to be clear I didn't downvote you. You can have you opinion. I personally don't think there is a way to pay players because of the differences in revenue between major schools and small schools. You're just going to have a hard time convincing me that a football coach can be valued at 7 million and a basketball coach at 4 million, but the players at the same school are valued at a free education and room/board.

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To me its a separate argument.

While they're all related to the way the NCAA controls the 'market' for student-athletes, I think this is a discrete discussion. Athletes *are* "paid" (in stipends, scholarships etc.), but I don't see how the investment in them should necessarily preclude them from having more freedom than they currently have.

The comparison shakeitallabout made to companies that invest in their employees via continuing education (someone going back to get their MBA etc.) doesn't hold water to me. If I go back to school, and my company pays for it & requires me to stay for 2 years after it's because I'm unique from my co-workers who are not enrolled in that type of program. Can't say the same about the athletes. Yes, VT invests heavily in them, but I don't see how the argument can be made that they should be compelled to do more than they're currently doing: practicing, playing, media responsibilities, maintaining a minimum GPA etc.

Also, to clarify - I'm not down voting either. Unlike Walter, shakeitallabout is wrong, but he's not an asshole :)

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The comparison shakeitallabout made to companies that invest in their employees via continuing education (someone going back to get their MBA etc.) doesn't hold water to me. If I go back to school, and my company pays for it & requires me to stay for 2 years after it's because I'm unique from my co-workers who are not enrolled in that type of program. Can't say the same about the athletes.

Honestly I'm failing to see how you couldn't say the exact same thing about student-athletes. They are unique from other students because they receive athletic scholarships (the athlete in student-athlete, if you will). A typical student is free to transfer to another university at any time without restrictions. A student-athlete makes a commitment to the university in exchange for a scholarship and the conditions of that agreement require them to sit out a year if they leave.

There are rules and requirements for academic scholarships as well. If I receive an academic scholarship through Virginia Tech and transfer to another university, I know that I'm not going to continue receiving funding from that scholarship.

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Right so if an athlete transfers from Virginia Tech he knows he will no longer receive a scholarship from Virginia Tech. I think they get that part.

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He also knows he will have to sit out a year because that's what he signed up for. I understand you don't like the NCAA regulations but the agreement that student-athletes are signing up for is not a secret. I don't disagree that the rules could be improved but I fully disagree that the universities don't deserve any protections. While a revenue sport at a P5 school could maybe weather the storm of an entire roster of student-athletes moving on, that's not the case for the vast majority of universities or for non-revenue sports.

As I mentioned above, a perfect example is Virginia Tech's wrestling program. Tom Brands was hired as head coach in 2004. He signed a highly-touted class in 2005 but redshirted every single wrestler while the team went 1-16 that season. After the season, Brands left to take the head coaching job at Iowa and took the entire 2005 recruiting class with him. It's highly rumored that Brands knew he was going to be leaving prior to the season and essentially used Virginia Tech scholarships as a "development year" for his team at Iowa. At the end of the day, Virginia Tech funded those scholarships for the entire season without any of the wrestlers competing for the school and was left with a devastated program. Virginia Tech nearly canceled the wrestling program in the wake of those events and I can't accept that it would have been right for those student-athletes to leave Virginia Tech and receive immediate eligibility at Iowa.

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Can't argue that. It's tough because there will always be people that take advantage of a situation if the policy is too lenient and there will always be people that get screwed if it's too strict. It's not an easy situation to find a solution that everyone will agree on.

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Like it or not its the same in the real world where CEOs make $10-20M per year and line workers make $30-50K per year.

And given the transient nature of college athletics (roster turnover every 4-5 years), who makes the program, the coach/staff or the players?

The players. No doubt.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I am going to assume you signature applies to your response.

Not in this case.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

So a player who could at best win 4 championships with a school is more important that a coach who could win more than 4 championships?

The good coaches provides leadership, direction and identity to a program; recruit and develop the talent in that program and participate in the fundraising for the program over many years.

The great players, at best, play for 4 years and win some championships.

I'll pose this question - will players next year go to Duke because Zion played there this year, or because Coach K coaches there?

I didn't downvote you. I didn't downvote you but your facts don't really bring much to the argument. If we were talking about paying players they'd stand better, but they don't really do much to convince anyone to not let players transfer.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Undervaluing it compared to what? From below:

In 2016 Louisville made a $43.96 million in revenue in basketball with expenses of $2.29 million for a profit of $40.7 million.

Since the players are the major generators of that revenue, are you saying that their college education is worth the millions of dollars they helped to generate, EACH YEAR?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Okay, let's do away with scholarships and pay the players instead. As Louisville's AD how much are you paying Jamie Vasilous, the sophomore setter on the women's volleyball team?

or Jack Fasteen, freshman midfielder, for mens soccer?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I don't know what the solution is. I don't think paying the players directly is the answer. My point is that there is a compensation imbalance for some of the top echelon of players, and generally, where there is an economic imbalance, that's where a black market comes in. (Which we see in college basketball/AAU and football bagmen.)

Regarding the compensation imbalance, that gap will be closed at some point in the future. The NCAA can be proactive or reactive, and the former is always better.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The answer is to let them go to the NBA straight from high school if they want.

Then they can make their own decision based on the value proposition.

Agreed 100%. And the NCAA has nothing to do with that, that's an NBA ruling.

If a kid is talented enough, and has the body to endure playing with grown men, let him go make his money. If he isn't there yet, he can:

1) Play college ball, abide by the rules, maybe make it to the NBA
2) Go play overseas, get paid, maybe make it to the NBA one day
3) Play in the G league for table scraps, maybe make it to the NBA one day

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

While the majority earn $35K, it is for only five months, which leaves them 7 months to balance out a living wage, which shouldn't be difficult to do. This year there were 83 two way players slots that earn a minimum of $77K for the five months all in G League and a max of $385K if they spend the entire season in the NBA. Outside of these slots, there were 50 additional players called up to the NBA this last season that earned $11 Million, or about $225K per player average. On top of that last season, 25% of the G League not including the two way players earned an average of about $44K in additional moneys due to NBA Roster affiliations.

There are 27 G League teams with rosters of 12-13 players per team for a max of around 350 players. Numbers above mean that first 83 are on two ways,, which leave 267 players, 50 earned call ups, which means 217, 25% outside of two way or 67 players earned roster affiliate bonuses, which leaves 150 guys roughly that only earned the $35K for the five months.

I'm pretty sure the NCAA lobbies the NBA to keep the 1 year rule in place. How much money has Zion earned for Duke and The NCAA this year? They don't want to lose that. Can you imagine if Lebron or Kobe played in college?

What percentage of college basketball fans do you suppose tune in just because of a big-name one-and-done type player, as opposed to people who are fans of a team?

I can't give you numbers, but a lot of my friends who are not Duke fans think Zion is amazing and loved the fact that CBS followed him around with a dedicated camera during the tournament. So maybe more than you think? But of course I have a limited sample size.

In his case, perhaps.

What I'm suggesting, though, is that people tend to watch when their team is winning, more so than when there is a star player. Probably differs by how much of an overall sports/bball fan they are.

I watched a lot more basketball this year, but only because VT overall was decent, not for a specific player.

CBS did follow Zion around, though.

Because they're an employee, not a university student

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Basketball players are signing to play for the coach. That's why they ask to be released from their LOI when the coach leaves. You shouldn't force a kid to stay at a school if they don't want to be there.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Yes I am aware that coaches recruit the student-athletes and also understand why they would ask for their release when a coach leaves. However they absolutely do not sign with the coach. They sign a LOI to attend Virginia Tech, not Team Coach Buzz #getBetter University or even "Virginia Tech only if Buzz Williams is head coach."

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Well yeah, but also, not really...

De jure: Recruits sign with the school.
De facto: Recruits sign with the coach.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I'd give you more legs than one if I could

You shouldn't force a kid to stay at a school if they don't want to be there.

You shouldn't force anyone to stay somewhere if they don't want to be there. I wonder how many people on TKP transferred into Tech or away from Tech because their situation changed?

Also do we really think we're going to get maximum effort out of a player if he's miserable in his current situation but has to stick with it for four years?

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Nobody wants these players to be indentured to a school for four years, and they are not now. They can leave any time they want, and go pretty much anywhere they're admitted. While I hear, and understand a lot of argument to the contrary, I don't consider all of the transfer rules to be too onerous, and while the waivers can and should nullify those rules if warranted, all that affects is playing ball, not playing school. Again, just my opinion.

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If you're a D1 recruit, never sign an LOI. Sign the scholly papers only. That way when the guy who recruited you moves to Texas, you don't have to get out of an LOI

Then maybe players should start signing letters of intent to coaches instead of schools.

OR

Players could take into account the likelihood that the coach at the school they choose will be there for the next 4 years.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Yes absolutely. I can see how my post may seem like I hate transfers but I agree with you 100%. The NCAA and their exploitation of these players is pathetic. Let them transfer where they want.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Really, I didn't know our school was called Buzz University. I thought he committed to "Virginia Tech" so he could play ball here and get an education here. College athletics just totally sucks these days with players committing to coaches instead of the actual school they want to get an education from. It's all so, let me quote Beamer, "Out of whack". That was the big problem with Buzz, he was just for Buzz and not for VT.

HH4455

It can't be turned off. But it, uh, does break easily.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

He is still a possibility. He just wants to know who the new coach will be before he recommits.

As much as Whit needs to get the decision right, he needs to move with speed (not reckless speed) to allow the new coach time to do some recruiting.

Seeing as how Anthony Harris anagrams to Harsh Any Intro, I think it's unlikely we hear his name in Cassell

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Well Shit

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Someone is surprised?

It is a shame he couldn't have waited at least until the new coach was named.

Odds on him going to Texas A&M?

Fairly low, all of his school of interest were regional so his family could visit and watch him play. Duke, VT, Wake, etc.

That's at least good. Maybe the new coach has a chance, then.

Never got a real Duke offer and with his bummer knee the chances are not any better now

Recruit Prosim

And so it begins. Wonder how many A&M transfers we'll get too...

HTHokie93

I'd like to put this out there for any recruiters who follow TKP:

- I have all 4 years of eligibility remaining
- I played basketball in high school and totaled 20 total minutes, 1 tackle for loss (technical) 12 fouls, and 4 points.
- I have since been prescribed contacts, which I think I shoot a lot better now
- I used to be able to dunk, and can still touch the rim.
- I made the bench that I sat on in high school a 4 star recruit

Can you post your best "teammate just made a 3 pt shot" celebration dance in gif form so that we can truly judge if you are worthy

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

That video appears to have been altered.

Funny, there ACTUALLY is a gif of me in the exact moment...

Dunk City was the most fun first weekend tournament run I've ever watched.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yes - 10000% agree with this, that team was so much fun. Ever since that year, I always pull for them to win the Atlantic Sun in hopes we can see Dunk City 2 in the Big Dance.

You forgot the most important one:

- I made everyone else on my team appear better just by my being there.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

And so begins our rapid decline back to mediocrity.

Mediocrity means a .500 record. I'm not expecting that next season no matter who Whit hires.

Really? I'd expect a close to .500 or worse season even if Whit hits another home run hire. Buzz isn't leaving this team as bad as James Johnson but when the dust settles it will probably be a lot closer to one of those teams than one of the 2017-19 Buzz teams.

I would say that James Johnson actually left the program in better shape than Buzz. Remember he recruited Justin Bibbs and Jalen Hudson, had CJ Barksdale, Marshal wood Trevor Thompson, and Ben Emelogu in the program

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Actually heard a couple of talking heads saying the program "could" be in worse condition. But that depends on how many of the players stay and how many recruits stay or come with the new coach.

Of course this is all assuming a new coach doesn't bring players with him. You kind of have to figure whoever comes in would want to have his top recruits come with him, so there's still very much an asterisk there. We didn't see an exodus after Johnson was fired because its not like they were bolting to follow him anywhere like would happen now.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Initially:

I am hopeful that our new coach brings plenty of great recruits with him and we see a rapid rise to ACC competitiveness again.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I dont understand the criticism of student athletes that choose to request a release when the situation they committed to changes dramatically. Players dont necessarily commit to a coach or a school, they commit to a combination of those that benefits them the most. This includes the style of play the coach employs, the potential to be developed into a professional athlete, and the familiarity with the coach and staff since that is who recruited them to the school. When that all is called into question with a coach leaving and likely most if not all of the support staff, then I have no problem with an 18 year old saying pump the brakes, lets look at it again. Is this still the best situation for me? These are the people I have to rely on for my best interests for the next X amount of years both athletically and academically. Do I trust them to do right by me? I have no history with them unless they were recruiting me to their former school.

I agree with your entire post. However, I honestly don't think anyone in this thread has criticized a student-athlete for requesting a release. The argument is almost entirely about if there should be any restrictions imposed on a student athlete's release and transfer.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Coach Buzz fucking us over to go to a garbage school like TAMU

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I don't know why but I laughed when I read this out loud lol

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Good luck Wabissa and Chris. Thanks for the memories.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Clarke is gone, Bede is just testing the waters. I still hope he stays.

No big loss here. I thought he was in over his head from the beginning.

Who bede?

Unveil now
Lift away
I see you
Running

Deceiver
Chased away
A long time
Coming

Bede? That's a dude whose game has went forward by leaps and bounds over the past two months. I was really excited to see how much more he progresses.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

This. Not to mention he locked Barrett down in both games we played them. Go back and watch the second half of that duke game when Barrett went off.....bede's was on the sidelines when this occurred

Do you even basketball?

You know, as unhappy as I am right now about Hokie basketball, and as upset as I am that the progress of the last several years seems to have been shredded and shrouded in doubt and trepidation, somewhere in my deepest darkest center I sense a little anticipation at what may be to come. No optimism or anything that bright, but I can feel it way down in there. Let the future begin, with or without whomever.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Not gonna be the last to enter the portal

Recruit Prosim

Need to hire a coach asap. Right now there is no one to fight for these players and stop the bleeding.

Finding the right coach absolutely takes priority over transferring players for anyone concerned for the long term outlook of the program. I'll eat a year or two in the basement as long as Whit gets his guy.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

There is no reason we have to go from Sweet 16 to 5-25. Yes, I know Buzz pulled us out of the basement before, but that isn't easy for any coach to do. Let's give the new guy a fighting chance to keep the team together before everyone enters the portal or decommits.

No, Whit shouldn't be impulsive. But he shouldn't dilly dally either.

Whit has said that he prefers working quickly to slowly so he isn't dilly dallying, but there is absolutely a path to 4-16 in the ACC next year regardless of who he hires. We were going to return 5 scholarship players under ideal circumstances and no one should expect ideal circumstances even if Whit announced the hire the same day Buzz officially left.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

A day or two isn't isn't likely to make any difference at all.

Entering the portal isn't making a decision, and doesn't stop the new coach from talking to these players.

Exactly, Bede would have to sit out a year. He is just testing the waters. I am not sure he is going to find a better spot than Tech.

"We need this new coach announcement ASAP as possible." -Michael Scott

Not sure why we don't have a new coach yet. I mean apparently aTm hired their new coach last year while he was coaching somewhere else and before they even fired their current coach right?

VTMidge

I suppose that when you fire your own coach, you are better able to control the timing.

Well, usually.

Committed to UNC

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Damnit... now Mack ismstealing basketball recruits too.

1 more team to embarrass next year.

VTMidge