Why are we accepting the worst recruiting class in the ACC?

Why in the world has not a single person mentioned that we are 14th (DEAD LAST) in recruiting in the ACC? People have mentioned the slowdown, and been criticized. People have mentioned misses, and been critcized. We're DEAD LAST IN THE ACC.

This isn't OK, and I and upset that we seem to be accepting this as ok.

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Um...not sure if serious?

Have you been TKPing lately?

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This topic has been brought up multiple times in other threads, but to summarize as best as I can

We went 6-7 last year
This class is going to be small due to a very small senior class, and rankings are in many ways based on class size just as much as individual stars
Bud foster is retiring
It's still early
I think it's worth reiterating that we went 6-7 last year

And to bring it all together, we arent accepting it (or at least I'm not). I'm looking at all the facts of the situation and trying to have some understanding. This season is huge for a lot of reasons. The need for 9-10 wins is imperative to bring back up our recruiting momentum.

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We went 6-7 last year
This class is going to be small due to a very small senior class, and rankings are in many ways based on class size just as much as individual stars
Bud foster is retiring
It's still early
I think it's worth reiterating that we went 6-7 last year

I've made my thoughts on recruiting fairly clear in other threads and don't want to bog down another one, but this list, even all happening together does not come close to making our current class anything close to acceptable. We're Virginia Tech, not fucking Wake Forest or Illinois.

"We went 6-7" doesn't matter. We've got the longest bowl streak in the nation. UNC went 2-9.
"Small class size" makes some, but not a massive impact on class ranking
We've not exactly been world beaters when it comes to recruiting defensive talent over the last 4 years, and hadn't this year up to the announcement of Bud.
It is also not 'still early.' Signing day is in 4 months.

Last I looked there were only like 2 other P5 teams with classes worse than ours. I don't think we end up here, but there really are zero excuses for where we are right now. Even a class in the 50's, which we'll likely end up with is inexcusable.

I understand the concern, I just don't know:

1) what there is to discuss, really, and
2) what you're proposing to do about it other than "recruit for more stars".

I'm not unduly bothered about one year, but I wouldn't want to see a repeat next year, and I don't expect one.

I'm not unduly bothered about one year

We saw what impact the shitty 2016 class had on this season. This one will be much worse. You can't just take zeros for classes every few years and expect to compete for conference championships.

edit: and I'm beyond 'recruiting for more stars.' I'd like to see competitive P5 offer lists.

We're not taking a "zero".

And I find it really obnoxious for someone who calls themself a fan to call a recruiting class "shitty".

These are real students, who have committed to playing football for our enjoyment. The [EDIT: 247 class rating] class rating is all about the number of recruiticorns earned by a handful of players in a recruiting class on most teams.

The 247 recruiting class rating is actually a pretty bogus tool for assessing "class" strength.

If you consider a class full of recruits as a similar concept to a conference full of teams, a fairly strong tool for this measurement is Jeff Sagarin's conference rankings method (explanation is about halfway down the page).

In Sagarin's method, the teams in the middle of the conference are weighted the highest. Like a bell curve.

247 gives a pretty sketchy rationale for their "Gaussian Distribution Method" (click in the "i" information icon next to the website update text). They purport to use a "bell curve" method, but instead of actually doing this they cut the bell curve in half and weigh the top prospects highest on the y-axis. So there's a bell curve "involved", but they manipulate it to do something it isn't really for.

247's tool class grade is flashy and exciting when it comes to top recruits, but doesn't actually assess the strength of the class.

If you've ever heard an argument that the ACC was the best conference last season "because Clemson", you realize that there's a logical fallacy in that simplistic argument; it's true Clemson had the best team. A conference is different than a team.

I feel the same way about the 247 team ranking. It simply magnifies the top recruit/s in each class, which is already easy enough to determine looking at the individual recruit rankings.

Recruit average score at least takes into account the middle of the class and doesn't discount the bottom of the class (it simply doesn't account for the size of the class, which is still pretty easy to find).

100% correct.

I updated my post to reflect that this was the class ranking I was talking about.

Very persuasive. Thank you for this post.

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Damn, thought my post was going to cause an uproar today. Nice job.

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I'm not accepting it. It's just that I've been given a restraining order to stay at least 25 miles away from Justin Fuente at all times

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

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Fact: we have the last rated recruiting class TODAY....

Exactly. We still have 4 months before early signing day, and another 2 months before official signing day.

The panic is a bit premature. They will fill out the class. It won't be as good as we're accustomed to, but it won't be 70th in the nation either.

With 75 players with 3+ years left to play, maybe this next class will be designed to actually develop and mature to fill gaps for 2021-22 (kind of like top programs do) instead of looking for saviors next year! Maybe the recruits from the last 3 years that we haven't really seen their full potential yet are already here to fill the gaps???

Sort of on the same wavelength here. Not all of those 75 will be around that long. It will take some creative NFL-like, front-office player management. Some guys will choose to walk, others will succumb to injury or bad judgement. JUCO's, transfers and successful targeted recruiting will have to make up the rest. I am optimistic that this season's outcome will play a positive role in getting through this dip.

"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. " Rocky B.

Soooo, if this class goes on to win the ACC championship in 3 or 4 years are you still not going to accept them?

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#NotMyRecruitingClass

(add if applicable) /s

This thread is like picking up a one week old newspaper.

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Seems older.

Go back to 247

Or enter the transfer portal

uva - the taint of the ACC
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#15 Straight

I want to see recruiting improve. The current course is not conducive to competing for ACC championships.

However, there are greater tragedies. So unless there is something tangible that can trigger speculation or analysis, I chill.

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What do we have to be happy about here French? I'm getting killed here, but please tell me I'm wrong about our future.

Dude you're overreacting

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Some people, my son for example, feel the bee sting before it ever does, if it ever even does. While I share the OP's concern, it is a little premature - for all the reasons listed here and everywhere else. This season needs to play out. I have great hopes we will see a well-lit road into our future as it does.

"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. " Rocky B.

Except for saying that people are "accepting" our current recruiting class, he's not wrong, though.

The massive downvoting is the literal definition of shooting the messenger, and it's actually kind of disappointing to see on TKP. If we can't accept reality, no matter how unpleasant, we may as well be breaking pavers to make us feel better about our situation.

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Honestly I think the OP was wrong about nearly everything said. I'm not sure if anybody feels good about this recruiting class or doesn't want it to be better. Nobody has said this is acceptable as anything other than a one year blip. Our current recruiting ranking has been brought up many, many times. And as a whole I'd say TKP is wavering on Fuente at this point, with the crowd wanting VT to move on from him understandably getting far stronger over the last 8 months. Certainly there's been a lot of discussion and people have varying opinions about the program at this point but I don't think that any comment backed with objective evidence is harshly criticized. It's usually the presentation of the criticizing posts, often by a select few posters, that results in contention.

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There are some warning signs. The reality is, he isn't going anywhere until the buyout is palatable. So, I will critique what I have tangible visual evidence of and hope for the best for what I can't see.

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I think his tone was obviously over the top, and I know that being frustrated and nervous is not an excuse. But it's at least understandable. And what he said is mostly true. Let's break it down:

-No one has mentioned we are dead last (a huge exaggeration, people have, so mostly false)
-People mentioned a slowdown and have been criticized (at least somewhat true)
-People mentioned recruiting misses and have been criticized (somewhat true)
-We're dead last in the ACC (a provable factual statement)
-This isn't okay (I'm gonna have to consider that one true)
-He's upset that people think it's okay (same as his first comment, a big exaggeration)

So overall I think he's overreacting. But so is 150 downvotes. Everyone needs to chill out a little.

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Trolling gets downvoted.

Recruiting isn't done by class, it's done by individual. If a team signs the individuals it wants, the class rank is irrelevant.

The 247 composite and how those composites are combined are subjective indices, created primarily for the marketing of their product. Past the highest of the highest levels, how well they reflect actual results falls off a cliff.

They are like a 25 foot tape measure that pretty accurate for the first foot, blurry for the next couple of feet, and then unmarked after that.

I'd like to be first in the ACC, but I don't care if we're 4th or last because there isn't much difference given the low number of recruits we'll sign.

Look at the recruits Fu has signed, their composite score, and then assess at what level you think the composite score matters.

Class rank is not irrelevant at all. Alabama always signs better classes than Mississippi State. That's always why they beat them like a drum every year. Ohio State always signs better classes than Maryland- that's why they always beat them. Clemson signs top 10 classes, while GT was signing 60th ranked classes, and Clemson destroyed them the past several years- triple option or not. Etc, Etc, etc. etc. Going 0 for the top 25 in Virginia is not good recruiting, I don't care how people spin it. And signing a bunch more WRs and RBs is getting who we "want", how exactly? This 2020 class is a disaster thus far. Could improve a little, but disaster right now- real talk.

The point is that the way 247 does their class rankings, their ranking is ALL about the star value of your highest handful of recruits.

Which means that most classes are neither as good or as bad as those rankings would indicate.

But yes, we all like the recruiticorns, as those highly-rated players do tend to make plays that affect the outcome of games.

The point is that the way 247 does their class rankings, their ranking is ALL about the star value of your highest handful of recruits.

What point are you trying to make here? Yes - 247's class rankings are higher when you get better players. It is often those elite-level players that make the biggest difference on the field, and why there is a fairly high correlation with top performing teams and top recruiting classes. When Clemson, Alabama, and Georgia get the best players and have the best classes, they're the ones making the playoffs.

Remember - 247's class rankings are composite rankings, utilizing ESPN and Rivals as well. It is not just them ranking their classes, so it is not all about who is just at the top of the class. While they do have their own rankings, but overall, the entire class is considered.

The top 2020 classes per 247 are:
Clemson - 94.08 player average
Alabama - 93.26 player average
LSU - 92.53 player average
OSU - 92.08 player average

#76 VT - 84.49 player average

The 'player average' numbers and 'points' are regularly fairly in-line with each other when you're talking top 40 classes.

If you want to dumb it down to a 'per player' level, I'm not sure that improves our story. 247 ranks something like 1200+ players each year. We've got 6/10 recruits who aren't even ranked in that group. If you think Fuente and his limited staff are better at identifying and qualifying talent than every other P5 school, as well as 247 - who has a full-time staff dedicated to doing just that, we'll likely continue to disagree on the trajectory of our recruiting.

I'm saying:

1) that you're ignoring the last three years of recruiting, and

2) you're ignoring the point presented, which is that a handful of players makes the difference between whether you're 4th in the ACC or last, and

3) why are you bringing up Clemson, Ohio State, and Alabama? When were our recruiting classes last comparable to theirs?

While I don't like that we don't have any 4 or 5 star players, I'm also not going to be apoplectic over it, as at this point in time it's a data point, not a trend.

2) you're ignoring the point presented, which is that a handful of players makes the difference between whether you're 4th in the ACC or last,

I'm not ignoring that. I think that's where our fundamental difference lies. You see the difference of these players as negligible, and I see it as the difference between competing for conference championships and 7 win seasons. I have no problem with elite players being 'worth more.' Those are the ones that really differentiate.

No, the fundamental difference is that I'm looking at this recruiting year as an outlier. I'm not doubting the affect of impact players.

If this recruiting year is an outlier, it's not changing the trajectory of our program.

Strictly speaking he probably should not be downvoted per community guidelines. The reality though is this website is a community of people who mostly prefer rationale discussion and a positive outlook. That doesn't mean that everyone is in denial about the fact that things aren't where we want, its just that being perpetually negative takes the fun out of being a fan. I mean he's not kicked off the site, hes just being notified by downvote that this style of post is not well received here.

I downvoted this thread, not because it's an opinion I disagree with, but because it's unnecessary noise, which is against the TKP rules.

The poor quality of our recruiting class has already been discussed plenty, in multiple other threads. If he has something intelligent to add, jrosgood can add a comment in another thread, or start a new thread if it's breaking news. However, if he just wants to whine and vent, he should do it elsewhere (not TKP), or wait for the official "Recruiting Class Vent Thread" that gets created day of.

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Well, I don't look at star ratings. I watch the film and decide, and because of a family medical issue, I have focused on previewing the guys who are in uniform.

If you look at the star ratings and the glaring holes in commitments at positions of need, the glass is half empty and there should be concern.

If you hear about the incoming class making noise in training camp on an already young team that has some talented sophomores like Dax, Conner, Turner, and Darrisaw looking like potential elite ACC players, you have to feel decent.

The truth is where it is for almost every program. There are the big fish, and there are all the other programs which have some holes and need the right mix of veteran talent, luck with injuries, and good schedules to make a serious run. I think VT is pretty well positioned that they can make that kind of run if CB, DT, and RB finds an answer. If you want to ask me about how to become a big dog, I honestly don't have an answer unless I can lay an egg, have a couple billion dollars come out of it, and throw cash at the program until they have an equal brand, facilities, and resources. And even then, schools with all that (Notre Dame, Texas, LSU) pooch screw coaching hires that lead those teams to underachieve.

VT has to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet, whilst wearing a blindfold, riding a horse. It happened in 1999, and Bud's excellence with great undervalued 757 talent got them close in the mid 2000s. With HUDL, camps, and 7 on 7, those diamonds are much harder to keep secret. Hence, you have to have tools to keep up with the arms race or be Boise/TCU etc and hope you roll sixes.

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So you, at +3, are saying the same shit I said at -26. Yay Hokies.

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I read those comments as saying something different.

You're kind of being a tool bag and that's why your getting downvoted. French provided a lot of information and good discussion. You just regurgitated some bad line that's been discussed ad nasuem on this site for several weeks now. If you are going to speak, speak with intelligence please.

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Are you visiting us today from The Sabre?

For starters; be happy that we're not breaking dollar store pavers to start our season

uva - the taint of the ACC
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#15 Straight

That is one positive.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Recruiting has been very good (not great) last 3 years, especially if you are realistic about it. The rest has been said in previous posts. Who gives a shit right now, we are 3 weeks away from kickoff and a lot of reasons to be optimistic. If the next 2 years don't go well and next year we are last in recruiting then post this again. Until then chill out and go Hokies!

If you're realistic about it... recruiting for the offense has been good not great. Recruiting for the defense has been terrible... And now we know why. And if this class isn't pulled up from the depths of G5 mediocrity before signing day it will cause major depth issues down the line. IIWI.

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I'm gonna speak to you as someone else that often has a hard time finding the point of positivity. I get that as a Virginia Tech fan we're used to having nice things yanked away from us repeatedly--if we ever have them in the first place--but posts like this get us nowhere as fans. I think in spite of the current class (which still has time to improve), we're having a better offseason than last year. And no, I haven't forgotten about Bud retiring. I just think there's less to be Chicken Little-y about this year.

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Was thinking of ideas for "negative plaid" posts.
Something like this on a blue/orange background maybe?

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#15 Straight

Can we call going negative plaid "going Zima"? And maybe just replace the post with a .gif of Cavman falling off the horse?

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I like it. May none of your posts ever go Zima.

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While it's still the offseason, we as the TKP community need to take time to consider the important things. Like is Zima really an appropriate mascot for our 'friends' in Hooville? We have White Claw now. That seems more appropriate. New and shiny, but still shit. If that doesn't say UVa, then I don't know what does.

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This is insanity. Last years class was pretty darn good for a program that struggled. 7 of the 22 were 247 4 stars, and several 3 stars had big time offers or late flip attempts... Hawkins (Mich, Mich St, Ole Miss etc), Hanson (Clemson), Bowick (ND), Pollard (Miami tried to flip ), Kendircks (Miss State, So. Car and Mich tried to flip https://247sports.com/Article/Mario-Kendricks-should-skip-a-redshirt-sea...).

Now, 7 months later we can't recruit? I think this staff has been pretty good in identifying prospects the past 2 classes.

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You cannot force a kid to go to a school that he doesn't want to go to. There just aren't many Hokie fans in this recruiting class or they'd be going to Virginia Tech if they were good enough. I doubt the coaches have changed their recruiting approach, ultimately the kids will go where they want to go. The bright side is that we know all those 5 star rich schools will probably start losing kids to the portal and JUCO is always there, are they always ideal options to have to depend on? Of course not but I do feel like it will help spread out talent and make it easier to see who the quitters are. We were fortunate to find Payoute last year, flip Nester, and get the o-lineman and WR's that we got. If last year was the standard for some fans as far as recruiting they are in for a let down. I believe some of the kids in this class are underrated. We've done good with kids like Darrisaw, Dzansi, Tenuta and others and as long as we continue that route I am happy.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Last year was better than it has been as far as recruiting goes for Tech, but if last year was the ceiling then get ready for VT to never be in contention. I think we could definitely improve our recruiting by hiring a recruit first style coach whether as DC or a position coach, does VT have as much to sell as some of the other bigger programs? Probably not, but we've also never actually hired good recruiters minus Torian, so it's honestly hard to tell what we could be. I think if we hired a recruit first DC or position coach and maybe one other recruit first coach, say maybe o coordinator to replace Cornelson that we could be top 15-20 every year which would give us a reasonable shot at competing for the ACC and an outside shot at the playoffs , which is what I'm sure most Tech fans want. I'm tired of hearing the money excuse, there are very solid recruiters we could get that would fit in our budget. Or hell let's go on a limb and say we actually spend a little more than we have been to try to take a chance at fielding a great team. Who knows though seems we may truly be becoming a basketball school

Go for it

I always feel like I'm the minority, but for OC and DC I want traching skills and schemes. I loved watching Bud outsmart Urban. Having coaches with interesting schemes make football fun to watch. We arent blueblood, coaching is what separates us. That doesn't mean I don't love having Vance kill it. But if we dont have overall good coordinators we can only go so far.

I just don't want to annoy others by complaining about something I am unwilling or unable to do anything about.

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Can we just keep all the redundant recruiting bitching in this thread? Then I can just never open it again.

I second this motion. Shall we proceed to a vote?

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Motion to proceed to vote is approved

All in favor say "Gobble"

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All opposed say "Zima"

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Sometimes an OP captures the zeitgeist.

Sometimes the zeitgeist captures the OP.

For anyone who is dumb like me.

Zeitgeist - n - the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.

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Can we not pile on with the downvotes?

I'm not liking seeing this thread effectively wipe away 2/3 of the leg count of the OP because of the piling on nature. If OP had commented just a few more times, he might be community banned by now for really nothing more than sharing an opinion that went against the norm.

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"sharing an opinion that went against the norm."

Right. Everyone else here is thrilled about our recruiting class's ranking and praise Fuente for it.

/ssss

Exactly. I don't think he got downvoted for trepidation about this years' recruiting class ranking, a feeling which is shared by a majority of the people here.

And as far as turkey legs go...

When your leg count reaches -20 or -50, you aren't allowed to post anymore, so in that regard, yes... Yes they matter very much

OP has seen 2/3 of their legs vanish in this thread alone. So yeah, if it keeps going, it's going to end up in a ban.

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Well if I remember right this OP says some stupid stuff anyway

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I feel like there are some other people on this thread who have made comments they wish they could take back.

I once basically said screw a recruit who picked Clemson over VT, and had my comment turned to fuzz with downvotes. And I felt bad about it, especially since now I don't even remember that recruit's name.

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A) They still have more legs than the total number of downvotes on the main post, which is far and away the largest legs sink. Even if you add their other 2 comments from the thread, it totals -189, which means they've barely lost over half since they still have 157, and the momentum has slowed considerably.

B) If OP wants to recover some of their lost gains, they should contribute meaningful content elsewhere, worthy of upvotes.

He submitted a post that violates the community guidelines. This post deserved to be downvoted, by the rules and intent of the TKP downvote system.

As a community, we encourage all thoughts on Virginia Tech athletics, whether they be supportive, critical, or otherwise. However, please keep it respectful, well informed, and refrain from personal attacks towards players and coaches. Criticism for the sake of criticism does not add to the discussion, and neither does rah-rah homerism for the sake of rah-rah homerism

I agree that this is criticism for the sake of criticism, and isn't adding to the discussion. But he's not attacking anyone personally or being disrespectful, and it sure as hell doesn't warrant 150 down votes.

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I think this will be the first of about a half dozen threads like this. Folks coming back from the off season who don't see the recruiting threads on fire and think they are the first to notice that our recruit rank is low. I think people are honestly tired of the rhetoric around "HOW ARE WE LAST? WE SUCK! LITERAL WORST TEAM!"

Yepp. Rank's low. We offered early to a lot of guys and they are committing. They don't have a ton of P5 offers. Not much more to talk about. We had one of our best recruiting years one year back. Not much else to say.

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Another few quotes from the guidelines:

Don't post threads with the sole purpose of riling people up.

Don't start a new topic to rant.

I downvoted because I felt it was in violation of the guidelines, when the score was only around -10. Apparently 140 others came through later and agreed with me.

TIL that up/down votes on a thread topic actually affect one's TL count. I always thought it was just a gauge for the content of the post, but didn't go beyond that.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Can we not pile on with the downvotes?

I find this amusing coming from you. dcwilson40 says hi.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Winning cures all ills.

Winning starts with Boston College, and if we are marching into week 5 with four wins, our outlook will be different.

Let's start gearing up for week 1!

That's not to say that we are not in a recruiting hole right now, but there is still some opportunity to salvage the class.

If we lock in two or three four stars going into the early signing period, we could be in a good position to land a few more before February.

We could also see some improved ranking for some of the guys on our roster if Fuente is out-evaluating other programs like he states he intends to do

Why are we accepting the worst recruiting class in the ACC?

There are two ways to interpret "we" in this sentence.

If it's "we, the fans", then there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. So why fret?

If it's "we, the VT football team", well . . . the alternative to being 14th is to not have a class at all.

Recruiting will tick up after VT's ACC Championship run this year. And if you doubt that, you doubt Bud.

Don't doubt Bud.

I doubted Bud once, following the Fuck Matt Ryan game.

Then that November happened.

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I'm interested in what the OP is going to do to NOT accept the current state of affairs. What are the proposals here?

Tweet. At. Croots.

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Because we're saving room for high ranking players to go elsewhere on Signing Day?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The numbers always work out.

Am I TKPing right?

The Dude Abides

I'm just looking to go 1-0.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

1. We have only 4 scholarship seniors...class is going to be small. Probably, uncomfortably so

2. Regardless of position, it's going to be hard to crack the depth chart when the current sophomore roster looks like this:
QB Hooker and Burmeister, RB Wheatley, WR Turner, TE DeIuiis and Mitchell, OL L Smith, Dzansi, Darrisaw, DE DeBose, Garbutt, Proctor, DT Porcher, Brown, Griffin, LB Hollifield, DB Murray, Hunter, Farley, Waller, Conner
and current freshman roster looks like this:
QB Patterson and Kadum, RB Steward, Beck, King, Gary, WR Simmons, Bowick, Payoute, Pinckney, Robinson, TE Gallo, OL Culver, Tenuta, Harris, Kane, Hanson, Hudson, Pritchard, Nester, DE Adams, Becton, DT Polllard, Kendricks, Fuga, LB Artis, Tisdale, Fergeson, DB Chatman, Thompson, Peoples, Hawkins, Walker

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74