UVA disclosure suggests fundraising might have compromised recruiting of athletes, admissions

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The University of Virginia disclosed Friday that some student-athletes were apparently recruited several years ago because of the possibility that their admission would result in financial donations to the school.

The disclosure, in a statement from UVA, suggested that fundraising goals might have compromised the sensitive process of athletic recruiting and admissions at the prestigious public university.

The university also said that in a few cases, recruited athletes who enrolled did not participate on their designated teams, for reasons that were unclear

This seems like a bigger issue than UVA is making it out to be.

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Isn't this basically the Varsity Blues scandal that other schools got hit with earlier in the year? Would likely end up with coach firings in Olympic sports if so.

That's the whole reason they made Squash a varsity sport.

"We have, however, taken remedial action where appropriate," UVA President James Ryan said in the statement. "We are also putting into place new procedures designed to strengthen our process for considering the admission of student-athletes and to adhere to best practices." Ryan took office a year ago.

What kind of announcement is this?

I mean, someone allowed a student to get preferred admission because of a donation, and didn't get fired? Was there bribery involved? They don't even have to release the names and details?

At a minimum, they should have to name names.

It's the loluva version of "admitting" wrongdoing. You know, "those other prestigious schools were loosy goosy with such matters, but we take it very seriously and are investigating it and will keep it low profile...it's an in-house matter" type thing.

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I am in total agreement that making up fake spot on your roster for a kid in anticipation or due to a large donation is horrible for the other student athlete that didn't get the slot.

That said, the amount of surprise that this happens is crazy to me. So people with a lot of money and want to get their kid into a school are willing to spend a lot of money. Water is wet.

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Sure, but it's, you know, fraud.

Walk me through that, the donation is more than offsetting the scholarship.

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The donation is likely to a different place than the scholarship is coming from.

It's fraud. Given the generic nature of this announcement, we really don't know the details.

It's really even a lot more complicated than that. It's right up there with "Is cheating immoral if you don't get caught?".

The whole trick of going to a selective school is getting in.

Yeah, don't agree.

@hokie_rd

Not sure what you don't agree with.

Are you disagreeing that it's fraud, or that fraud is wrong?

Outside of the outright fraud, there's some morality here. Do we believe in having some semblance of a meritocracy, or is it OK if the wealthy rig the system for their children even more than the advantages they are already able to provide with their wealth?

Yeah, not gonna get into you with this, just literally don't care that something got exposed that we have all known has been happening for, well, ever.

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I get what you're saying. You're saying that you assume the wealthy can bribe their way in, and the school benefits, so it's win-win. It's a valid perspective.

But if we're giving someone a tax break for donating to a school, taxpayers are subsidizing that donation. And if the donation is to fraudulently get someone's underachieving progeny into that school, I'm not on board. They don't belong in those programs, they're taking up space that could go to someone who belongs there, and they're wasting their time. Those kids aren't really being served, even if they don't know how they got in. They're stealing a spot that someone else worked hard to earn. Anyway, that's the way I see it.

Here's an interesting take on it, for anyone who is still here and wants to see yet another analysis on what's going on:

Admissions Scandal, The Atlantic

just literally don't care that something got exposed that we have all known has been happening for, well, ever.

...and that makes it OK?

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As much as I hate to say it, at least the donation was going to the University, and not being pocketed by a middle man or sleezy coach. Not defending it at all, but I'd say it's less offensive than the Varsity Blues scandal.

How do we know that?

You are saying that UVA admissions is less offensive that some sleazy middle man, bold statement, bold statement.

Give em the Death penalty.

Make 'em break rocks.

Oh, that's right. They already do that.

Those weren't rocks, it was asphalt.

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Let's just slap an asterisk next to all their athletic achievements, then

Or just their degrees.

Don't worry, UVA is THE standard for what any ethical NCAA athletics program should look like. Every single player on the football team is a 4.0 (or better) student, they all put in 40+ hours of community service each week, and the reason they are at UVA in the first place is because no other program was good enough for such fine gentlemen (never mind they had no other P-5 offers). Really UVA should be investigating the NCAA.

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Isn't attending uva kinda like punishment in the first place? Kid must've really pissed their parents off for them to spend so much money to get them in.

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That's a pretty liberal use of "counterpart" for loluva.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

They were blackmailed in to standing up for us.

It was either bring us in to their conference or risk never having another chance at the cup.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

1) got told by the governor to stand up for us to get in the ACC.

FTFY.

I feel like this happens everywhere. It doesnt make it right and it is still fraud but I just dont see it as that big a deal.

I personally dont care if Billy with a 2.0 gets in to the school, if his parents give a million (and I'm sure now it's way more than a million). That million could create a better comp sci lab or ease the financial burden on less fortunate kids or something else. It's not like that million goes 100% and directly to someone's bank account.

This is my approach to it. If someone drops enough, and it significantly improves the facilities or offers opportunity to disadvantaged students, I'm okay with it at core. That kid will either rise to the occasion, or fail out.

I do take issue if they are gifted a diploma.

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The issue is when that student then takes a scholarship from another kid that could have used it to get into a school.

What evidence do you see for these kids recieving scholarships, though? If these kids were bright enough for an academic scholarship, or talented enough for an athletic scholarship, there wouldn't be any need to bribe someone to let them in the school. The Varsity Blues scandal was focused on non-revenue sports, where there are so few scholarships to go around that it would be glaringly obvious if someone unqualified received one. These kids were recruited as walk-ons to stay as far under the radar as possible.

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I was speaking in general and it goes back to the Varsity Blues scandal. In my mind, it doesn't matter if it is or isn't a revenue sports scholarship. It is almost worse in a non-revenue sport. That Lacrosse scholarship might have been the only way little Mary Sue was going to get into State U. But because somebody donated big money to a school a spot was made for a different child.

I think you're missing my point...or I'm completely wrong. These "student-athletes" that were part of the Varsity Blues scandal were not offered scholarships, as far as I can tell. They were simply pretending to be collegiate-level athletes to take advantage of the lower admission standards for student athletes. I've not seen any evidence, or even accusations, that these kids were offered scholarships to participate in athletics. They were just given the ability to try and walk on.

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So bribery, or "donations for a benefit" is a victimless crime, as long as the organization gets a share? Pay to play is OK? Donate to the union, and we'll make your kid an executive? Donate a building and we'll all vote for your candidate? What if it's just a few bucks to the presiding official? No harm done?

Donate to the school, and we'll put your kid on the rowing team - and he doesn't even have to row?

I can't get on board with any of this.

You can donate money, but don't declare it on your taxes as a charitable contribution. If you do, you can't get a tax benefit. If you donate a million, and declare it as a charitable donation, it's taxpayer subsidized (to the tune of 50%).

One reason I like the U.S. is that this isn't all that common. In Turkey, you have to bribe officials for basic services.

One reason I like the U.S. is that this isn't all that common. In Turkey, you have to bribe officials for basic services.

This is so true in most of the world and Americans in general are unaware of the level of bribery and corruption that is commonplace everywhere else. Living in Latin America the past 11 years has really made me appreciate American institutions such as the FBI, Police Departments, building inspectors, the FDA, health inspectors, OSHA, Consumer Protection groups, and many more. If you want to get a glimpse of the magnitude of corruption in the developing world, just Google "Odebrecht" and enjoy reading.

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