OT: 2019-2020 MLB Offseason Discussion Thread

Didn't see a post yet, and there's some significant news today, so I decided to create one.

As far as what's happened to date, let me explain. No, takes too long. Let me sum up:
- Nationals won the world series (I'm sure y'all heard that somewhere)
- Astros are being investigated for stealing signs
- Cole and Strasburg are the best two free agent pitchers on the market, with Wheeler a distant third
- Rendon is the best position player on the market, Donaldson is arguably the next one on the list
- Top 50 Free Agent Predictions from MLBTR
- Odorizzi accepted a Qualifying Offer from the Twins
- Braves signed mulitple relievers, including Will Smith on a three year, $40MM deal
- White Sox sign Yasmani Grandal to a four year, $73MM contract
- Reds sign Mike Moustakas to a four year, $64MM deal

Today's action:

Braves sign Cole Hamels to a one year deal

Phillies sign Zack Wheeler to a five year deal worth $118MM

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I like the Phillies picking up Wheeler. That also tells me they won't be in the market to pay mega dollars to Cole or Strasburg, which I am ok with. Wheeler was the next best option after those 2 on the market. I would like to see them take that money and pick up some good bullpen arms and a positional bat or two to complement Harper.

I think they had to overpay to get him, though. I think the projection was around $100MM, but they had to go up to $118MM to get him. Not a huge overpay, though. I think he'll do just fine, there (just hopefully not against the Braves).

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Heard they might be in the market for Didi Gregorius, which would necessitate a trade of Segura.

I know Middleton has repeatedly said they absolutely need to stay under the luxury tax, but I do wonder if he'll be willing to break that mindset if the opportunity arises to bring in another big arm. They badly needed help int he rotation this year. Wheeler helps, but it is far from fixed. Hopefully, David Robertson can come in healthy next year so that the back end of the bullpen can at least be shored up.

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And they just signed Didi to 1 year, $14m

Didi, Realmuto, Harper, and Hoskins is a potent lineup going into the season. But much like last year, if they don't add more pitching, it won't matter.

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that Didi signing was a super smart move by Philly. He has the opportunity to put together a monster year in the NL east.

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It'll be interesting to see what the Phils do next. They're supposedly in on Rendon, and have already been in talks with the Cubs about trading for Bryant. If they are able to get either, they'll have a pretty loaded infield both in the field and in the lineup.

But once again, none of this will matter if they can't shore up the pitching. I'd still like one more arm signed in both the rotation and bullpen

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Padres acquire Tommy Pham for The Other Hunter Renfroe and also swap prospects.

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Howie Kendrick resigns with the Nats for 1-yr. 2nd year option

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We now have a floor for Gerrit Cole, at 7-years, $245MM, right at $35MM AAV.

Fuck the Yankees.

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Yankees fan here. Someone else pointed out that this one is going the way the CC Sabathia negotiation did. Basically the Yanks don't really release the numbers they're throwing out, but when they do it's because we're not going to be outbid. I'll be interested to see what the final numbers land at.

Same here, I like that it's a shorter deal, definitely don't want to get locked into one of those antiquated contracts where we are paying for a players downtrend years. I doubt he'll accept a 7 year deal, that's my only concern. It's about time the Yankees use their biggest tool in their tool-belt, their financial might. I'm sick of hearing about Hal's desire to stay under self-imposed thresholds. The Cubs are a perfect example that youthful talent, doesn't guarantee longevity, let's go after the dang thing, and stop placing ourselves into positions where we are facing pitchers we easily could've had.

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It's about time the Yankees use their biggest tool in their tool-belt, their financial might.

I think this is one of the biggest reasons for anti-Yankee sentiment in general. No shade on them for using what tools are available to them, but the fact that financial might is something that can be converted to competitive advantage is quite annoying. It's one of the reasons that some people are losing interest in college football as well.

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Honestly, within the next decade it wouldn't surprise me if Free Agency becomes an annual show of top talent consolidating to the Yankees, RedSox, Dodgers, Phillies, and Cubs. Those teams are absolutely flush with cash, and their only real limitation on what they spend is what their owners decide they want to spend.

I mean its pretty much always been that way, but I think you're about to see a shift where these teams are going to be even more savvy about it than they have been. More short term contracts with high AAV. Keeps the players happy, but keeps the best talent on the richest teams, where that high turnover allows the teams to not let their rosters get stale.

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I didn't feel like that was any shade at all. When you're the #2 most valuable sports franchise in the WORLD at 4.6 billion, and above the likes of notable franchises such as Real Madrid & Barcelona, the income you bring in is a competitive advantage, for better or for worse. I do believe it could impede the growth of the sport as a whole; however, if my team gets back to winning pennants, I could care less. I'm just being real.

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Agreed. I just want championships. That goes for all of the teams I root for. I can understand realistic expectations on a season, and all that, but at the end of the day, I want rings and banners and parades for my teams. I want the Yankees to get 5 #1 starting pitchers and mow down the competition. "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing"

EXACTLY

I think growing up a Yankees fan during the "core four" years, it was always hammered home by the Captain (2) that the season was a failure if we didn't win a championship. Waiting for one since 2009 has felt like FOREVER. I want to be back on top of the sport once again, in a way that we built our teams during that run, a core of home grown talent as the nucleus, and ruthless free agent deals that put us over the top. It hasn't been that way in quite some time, honestly since the Boss died. I'm sick of Hal trying to pad the bottom line, let's win some chips while spending some chips!

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I think the income disparity and the ability to apply it to competitive means is a problem for baseball. The NFL has really done a good job curbing that, and the idea that the competitive balance lifts all boats has led the NFL to overtake MLB as the #1 professional sport in this country. MLB would be a lot better off if all of its teams were competitive, and compensating for the income disparity would be a good start.

Oh, and because you said...

...I could care less.

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Fantastic graphic.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Yet again, I could care less, including your graphic and typo correction 😂

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It's not nearly the same as it used to be. The tax penalty and loss of draft picks for signing high-end free agents and the compensation that goes to the team losing those high-end players, along with the necessity to build home-grown talent, has really curbed the ability of the formation of a dynasty like the one the Yankees built in the late 90s. It's unlikely we'll see that ever again.

With that said, there is definitely a disparity from those that can spend beyond the tax threshold and those that can barely afford their roster. Tampa Bay was good this year and probably next, but teams like them (Oakland, Minnesota, KC, etc.) will only have 1-2 season windows of opportunity whereas high spending teams (DC, NYY, Houston, Boston, Atlanta, etc.) will have an 8-10 season window.

The Nats (with one of the richest owners in the league) have already stated they can't afford both Rendon and Strasburg. If they can't maintain, then I don't know that anyone can.

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Nats and Strasburg supposedly have a deal in place. 7 yrs - $245 mil.

Where's the beef?

Gerrit Cole just got himself another 30 million dollars with this deal by not signing first.

or the Yankees will say "how about 7/250 but instead of deferring $80m, we'll pay it over the lifetime of the deal and you'll get your money faster"

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Yeah, as a Yankee fan, this deal hurts our chances of getting a good deal. It's going to take an "overpay" to get him now...

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I think it was always going to take an "overpay" to sign Cole, but the Yankees have a great chance to land him. After all, there's only 3 or 4 teams who can even realistically hope to compete with them.

FWIW, I'm in the minority here, but I think Strasburg is actually the superior free agent. Cole had an amazing run this season and his stuff is nasty, but his career track record isn't as consistently excellent as Strasburg's. Cole is almost two years younger, but at 31 Strasburg can reasonably expect 3-4 more dominant seasons.

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The irony of this is statement is that has been revealed that the Yankees offered more to Strasburg than the Nationals. It appears the Yankees established the price of both Strasburg and Cole this year, and got one of them.

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I always find it weird they commit so much money to people who play every 5th day vice position players that play every day. I think they should have committed to Rendon instead but we shall see how it goes...

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A starting pitcher has way more control over the game then one fielder. Think of it this way, the SP even only playing every 5 game will still face more batters then the fielder will have at bats. Also I reckon quality SPs are in shorter supply then infielders.

Cole signs with the Yankees

9 years
$36m AAV, all guaranteed.

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The man deserves that

I've got this feeling
The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

No trade clause and sounds like there's an opt out after year 5.

Cue the Imperial March, the Death Star is fully operational again!

Bout time Hal starts flexing on these teams. I hate that it's a 9 year deal, but the opt out helps. It's rare, but if a player doesn't work out in the bright lights of NYC, there is an exit strategy in place. I still would like another arm, especially with the uncertainty of the wife-beater Domingo. Hate losing Didi, really thought he was a great shortstop, especially when you take into account that he was the follow-up act to the Captain. Still some work to be done, but I like where things are headed. A rotation of Cole, Tanaka, and Sev is pretty potent. Hopefully we can get Happ off the books.

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isn't the opt-out a player option? if he's not playing well why would he opt out of 36 mil/year? if he opts out it's to get more money ala strasburg this year

It is the player option, I totally agree, I guess what I'm getting at is, a la Sonny Gray, granted his was a trade; however, an opt out allows both parties to step away from the situation if it isn't working out. Highly unlikely I know, but some players just don't cut it in NY.

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Don't forget about Paxton and Montgomery coming back too. Looks like 7 or 8 starters for 5 spots. Happ is perfectly serviceable as a fifth starter, though.

I'll be more interested to see how the rest of the roster winds up shaking out.

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I totally forgot about Paxton, Monty and King are the ones they are saying might be in house 5th starters if Domingo doesn't come back, and they find someone to take Happ. I just hate the idea of giving a prospect away to take a bad contract like Happ's. I'd rather keep him on board and run him out there as a 5th/6th starter honestly, but man at 17 million, that's a tough sell. Signing this type of contract with Cole is going to force their hand though, so if they do find a team dumb enough to take his contract on, I'm hopeful that it'll be a low level prospect who is a couple of levels away from the bigs. That Zack Cozart scenario is staring us in the face though, and I'm fearful it'll be a good prospect.

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but man at 17 million, that's a tough sell

isn't that the point of flexing the financial muscle? it's not just outbidding other teams to land the Cole-type free agents, it's also being able to having the resources to eat your mistakes and only pay dollars and opportunity cost rather than also paying baseball resources (e.g. a pick or a prospect) to fix the mistake. It's the same reason the yankees were fine to let Ellsbury rehab his hip in Florida for two years. Hal can afford to eat two years of Happ for less than the cost of one year of Cole.

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Oh I completely agree! I guess what I'm getting at is that to the fans, it's a tough sell. Having 17 million wrapped up in a 5th starter. And with the tight pocket that Hal historically has shown, it worries me that the 17 million can't be poured into other areas of need. I'm hoping that we're seeing a new Hal who is willing to spend to win. This Cole signing is a great start, but our offseason can't stop here.

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Anthony Rendon has signed with the Angels for the same price tag as Stephen Strasburg: $245 million over 7 years. None deferred though. Sad to see him go as a Nats fan but happy for him and for Mike Trout. The Angels were the team I wanted him to go to if it wasn't going to be the Nats. Assuming the Nats pursue Josh Donaldson as their top priority now.

Assuming the Nats pursue Josh Donaldson as their top priority now.

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Texas trades for Corey Kluber from the Indians

Rangers give up Delino DeShields, Jr., and Emmanuel Clase, who according to Marc Carig of The Athletic (link removed due to pay link), has back-end relief potential with a 101-mph cutter and good command.

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FTFY.

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Really liking that the Dodgers keep whiffing in free agency

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Was hoping MadBum would go to the Dodgers for the lolz, but this also brings lolz, so I guess it works out.

Nats sign Will Harris as a consistent bullpen arm. Great move in my opinion. Also being reported that they've signed Starlin Castro to a two year deal.

I dont know where they will find the money for a star 3rd baseman. but the Lerners have deep pockets

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Rendon and Zimmerman freed up $37M from 2019.

Zimmerman likely to resign for relatively cheap (4-5M?). That leaves plenty for a 3rd baseman (Donaldson or trade). If they lose out on Donaldson, they'll be under the tax limit by a decent amount allowing for some trade manueverability.

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They've got some space left. I'd say Donaldson is still an option, though in my mind that's seeming less likely. Reported that the Nats have also resigned Cabrera now as well.

Will Harris made me laugh a little. Good pickup? Sure. But still... "man, you were pretty essential to our World Series run. Would you like a job?"

Starlin Castro is...idk. I loathed him when he was with the Cubs. Overrated out the wazzoo. Here's to hoping he's a big time contributor, I reckon.

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Castro is durable, bats .270 with occasional pop. He'll be at least as serviceable as Dozier/Cabrera combo.

Castro provides ability to sub in at 3B as well. With Kendrick already on board and Zimmerman, a 3B (Donaldson?), and a 1B/bench (Adams?) expected to sign, it'll be an old infield, but perhaps one that can rotate and keep everyone fresh.

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I hope he's serviceable....a little discouraging that Kieboom isn't that odds-on next guy up.

Donaldson...I've never been a huge fan of either. For me, always been one of those "love him if he's on your team, hate him if he's not" kinda guys. Gamer. Locker room kinda guy. Hits dingers with regularity. Great lettuce. Just something about him lol probably a damn fine pickup. Also, something more personal...I blame him for the whole "launch angle" shit. If you want me to get started on that, I will. Just... *screams out of backdoor at moon*

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my hunch is Kieboom will be traded for a 3B (Kris Bryant?). Based on Rizzo's history and development of players, I think he values 3B over 2B and will look to get a long-term solution at that position and keep plugging in veteran 2B on shorter contracts.

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I kinda agree. But with who else? Either a pile of money or another big prospect

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I agree that 3B is a bigger position than 2B, but I dont know if Kievoom would be traded. Why couldnt Kieboom be converted to 3B like Rendon was?

I remember when everyone said Rendon was to small for 3B and didnt have pop.

As soon as I type this, they resign Cabrera

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Kieboom, as you might expect, looked most comfortable at shortstop last season in Triple-A, where he put up a .975 fielding percentage and committed only six errors in 237 chances. Third base was a challenge defensively for him, albeit in a small sample size that saw Kieboom make four errors in only 32 chances over 10 games. But Kieboom looked pretty good at second base, with a .969 fielding percentage and six errors in 194 chances at the keystone.

from MASN's Pete Kerzel

He certainly can be converted into a 3B, but early indication is that position is a struggle for him. maybe just a fluke. maybe a sign he wont be good there.

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Agreed, but when he was called up, he was atrocious defensively at SS. I guess you never know what will translate to the bigs

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I'd love for Kieboom to be the next guy up, but from what we saw this season he didn't look ready for the big leagues just yet. I think this could be a big year for his development. That or he'll be used as trade bait. I'm hoping we keep him

He had a rough WS but he was a stud for the Astros in 2019. Had a 1.50 ERA, opponents batted .196 against him, and he had a 62-14 K/BB ratio.

Great pickup for the Nats IMO.

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I'm not sure why you Nats fans are so high on Donaldson. That guy is hurt and on the DL more than when he's healthy. Just like that Tulowitzki guy.

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Woah woah woah...what do you mean "you" nats fans?? /s

I like the idea of it. Not $25mill/yr like it. Is he actually off the field as much as Tulo though? I feel like he could've been a HOF talent if he could've ever stayed healthy. Seemed like 2010-his retirement he was hurt for at least 50% of every season.

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It's also being reported that the Nats have resigned Astrubal Cabrera. Nice to have lots of infielders, especially with a few of those pieces being old guys (assuming Zim resigns as well)

A post on r/Braves is pointing out multiple tweets from "insiders" stating that the Braves and Josh Donaldson have come to an agreement within the past few days, and will announce a signing today. This would match up with credible reports nationally that the Twins feel like they're out on JD, and the Nationals signing multiple infielders, including one that can play third (see above). The terms are looking to be 4 years and $104-5 million.

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I expect him to sign back with Braves. I think the Nats were in it in the beginning, and now just trying to up the price on him (as most teams do when they realize they won't land the player, like the Yankees and Strasburg). The Braves probably have the best infield in NL east.

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Nats have a two-year deal in place with Daniel Hudson. Not sure on dollar amount. Harris, Hudson, and Doolittle is a nice little trio heading into 2020.

Where's the beef?

Just inked 1B Thames.

That leaves room for about ~2 or 3 more players:
RH 1B -- likely Zim
3B/utility INF -- Donaldson, trade, or Kieboom
maybe another RP

Nats offseason almost done.

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Well this is interesting:

Red Sox stole signs in 2018

This certainly doesn't exonerate the Astros for stealing signs in 2017. But it does help answer the biggest question that I was still asking: Was this limited to the Astros organization, or more widespread?

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Josh Donaldson signs with the Twins for four years and $92 million

Huge, the NL Easy was already a dog fight. Now just need Beltran to get fired like Cora got dropped

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I know intellectually that this was more "dodging a bullet" than losing a player, but damn, this leaves a huge hole in the middle of the order. Starting the season with Riley or Camargo at this is just not going to get it done.

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The past few days have shown a lot of interesting stories coming out of MLB. In addition to punishments for the Astros' cheating (Astros' Fallout Thread) you have:

Rumors of additional Astros' cheating (worn buzzers)

Allegations and rumors of Mike Trout using HGH (a banned substance)

It will be interesting to see if any of these stories have legs.

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Baseball Hall of Fame inductees for 2020 were announced last night. Derek Jeter and Larry Walker are to be enshrined in the HOF, along with Ted Simmons and Marvin Miller, voted in by the Modern Era Committee.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28533311/derek-jeter-larry-walker-el...

Derek Jeter was one vote shy of unanimous induction. No word yet on what idiot didn't think Jeter was worthy of the HOF.

Jeter, 45, was a slam dunk electee in his first year on the writers' ballot, with the only drama surrounding whether he would join Rivera as a unanimous pick. He was polling at 100 percent in vote-tracking of publicly available ballots this week, but one voter, unidentified as of Tuesday evening, apparently saw something lacking in Jeter's record — which included 3,465 hits, a .310 career batting average, eight top-10 finishes in American League MVP voting and countless stellar moments across 158 postseason games.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/01/21/derek-jeter-baseball-ha...

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Honestly, I thought we were over this no one goes in at 100% crap when Mo got 100%. Pretty unhappy about the 1 vote short of being unanimous. If it were a few I would probably feel better than one clown, who is remaining anonymous until he comes out with an article that's herp derp not 100%.

Maybe I'm just a salty Yankees fan, but it just seems like someone wanted their eventual moment in the spotlight.

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Don't know what the guy used to justify his non-vote, but it was probably the fact that it would be two Yankees in back-to-back years going unanimous. I'm not a Yankee fan by any stretch (wore my Braves gear to a game in Yankee Stadium last year), but I will admit that Yankee hatred is a powerful thing. Almost up there with Patriot hatred.

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And in more important news, Braves sign Marcell Ozuna for 1 year / $18 million.

News: https://www.talkingchop.com/2020/1/21/21076196/atlanta-braves-sign-marce...
Analysis: https://www.talkingchop.com/2020/1/21/21076210/atlanta-braves-free-agenc...

Best part about the deal is that not only it doesn't block Pache/Waters for too long, but it gets Markakis out of the everyday lineup. Base OF linup expected to be Ozuna/Inciarte/Acuña, with Markakis/Duvall subbing in from time to time, depending on handedness of opposing pitcher.

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*shudders* What will Snit do now that he doesn't have to bat Markakis in the 5 hole every day?

Love this move and the $$$. Love kakes too, but he's just not up to it as an everyday guy anymore. Interested to see how Snit platoons him.

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As I understand it, he's not really going to be a platoon, he and Duuuuuvall are going to be bench players, and occasional replacements when one of Ozuna/Inciarte/Acuña need a rest day.

Of course, Snit will find some way to sneak Kakes into the lineup more often, I'm sure.

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Story on ESPN on how the Astros' sign stealing program was started by an intern... if this story is true then anyone that remains in the front office needs to be canned.... pun totally intended.

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MLB apparently in discussions about an updated playoff format, expanding from 10 to 14 teams, with each of the division winners having some say / pick in which wildcard team they play.

ESPN Link

We are one step closer to this

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Where's the beef?

Somewhere a purists head explodes

Don't hate either aspect of the changes. More teams in the playoffs can only be a good thing for fans of the game. Too many teams start out each season knowing there is no way in hell they are going to be making the postseason, and, if you ask me, that needs to change.

I also wouldn't be opposed to a legitimate salary cap, and a soft salary floor where teams have to pay a tax if they don't meet it. Then again, I'm a big proponent of chaos, and think the nature of the NFL and NHL, where the competitive balance is always in flux helps make the sports better and more entertaining to watch as a fan. Too many fanbases have completely checked out in baseball and basketball because they know there is no hope, and won't be any hope for the foreseeable future.

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The #1 thing I dont like is that it greatly increases the chances of a sub-.500 ball club in the postseason. If this proposed format were in place for the 2017 season we would have had 2 AL teams (between Tampa, LA, and KC) who finished the regular season 80-82.

My perspective - if you cannot even manage a winning record in the regular season you have no business being allowed in the playoffs.

With the new format there are a couple things that I would expect would need to be hammered-out.
1) with more teams in I would expect the regular season scheduling would need to change back to a more balanced approach (in part to alleviate the possibility of a sub.500 team in the playoffs)
2) trade deadline could get a lot more interesting and have more long-term ramifications. With more playoff spots available there should be an increase in trade activity, which then would drive (potentially) more offseason activity.

Ehh on one hand, I get what you're saying. On the other, that 2017 season saw some seriously stacked teams make the postseason, especially in the AL, who made quick work of pretty much everyone they faced. Its unlikely that Tampa, LA, or KC would have put up much of a fight against Boston or Houston that year.

With that said, I wouldn't be opposed to changing the mindset of how we schedule and how we designate wins and losses over the course of the season. Instead of straight up wins and losses, have each team play 3 game series against opponents throughout the year, and count the W-L total based on who wins or loses the series. A 3 game sweep or a 2-1 victory still counts as 1 series win in the standings. Tiebreak at the end of the year by how many individual games a given team won.

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2017 was just an example. Going back further these teams are now in the playoffs under the proposed rules:

2016 - Miami (79-82)
2015 - Baltimore (81-81)
2014 - Mets (79-83)
2013 - Arizona (81-81)
2012 - Philly (81-81)

This assumes all-else equal. Going past 2012 things dont appear as bad, but I think this sample just shows that there is a high probability that a club at .500 or below is going to be a playoff team.

EDIT: had to correct the Mets record... they weren't that bad as I originally posted, but still had a sub .500 record.

Yea, when you take top 7 of 15 teams, there will often be sub .500 team.

My thoughts on the proposal are that I really enjoy the single wild card game. It's a lot of fun and drama in 9 innings. I don't love the idea of a 3 games series, but it could work OK.

I really don't like the idea that winning your division would less important and the importance of having the top record in league is increased. Home field advantage in a 3-game wild card series is a pretty bad consolation prize for winning your division but not having the top record. Further, the top record is typically to the team that plays in the weakest division, not necessarily the most deserving team. Nationals have had the top record in multiple seasons, often because the AL East was so weak.

So, I'm hoping this doesn't move forward.

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Looks like the Mookie Betts trade is now official.

Dodgers get: Betts, Price, cash (all from Red Sox) and Brusdar Graterol, 2020 Competitive Round B draft pick (from Twins)
Red Sox get: Alex Verdugo, Jeter Downs, Connor Wong (from Dodgers)
Twins get: Kenta Maeda, lower-level minor leaguer, cash (from Dodgers)

I think the Dodgers have to be considered the runaway favorites in the NL.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mookie-betts-trade-dodgers-red-sox-fi...

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So, who wins in this deal if the 2020 season isn't played? Definitely not the Dodgers, which is how I like it. =^)

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Man the Astros owner doubling down and making an ass of himself. So glad the Nats beat those cheating bastards.

Just listened to the replay of his media junket thing on my way to Daytona. Holy shit lol I can only describe it as a scrawny kid playing dodgeball but duct taped to a chair and a Jugs machine shooting dodgeballs at his face from 10ft away. He's doing his best to dodge the questions, but he's doing a very piss poor job at doing so. Whole ordeal looks awful on the league.

Reporter: Did you cheat?

Astros guy: We broke the rules.

Wait, what?lol

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

I can't wait until baseball season starts and the Astros win the world series. it would be poetic 😂

I've got this feeling
The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

No, it wouldn't be
poetic in the least if
cheaters won again.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If they win this year they did it without cheating

I've got this feeling
The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

or they found a new way to cheat and not get caught... they might as well change their logo to get away from the star and instead have an asterisk in its place. The organization is going to be tainted for a while.

I'm sure Dusty will send everybody into oblivion if the Astros tried to cheat again

I've got this feeling
The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

If you believe that,
I do have a bridge somewhere
In Brooklyn to sell.

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Preview of the Astros 2020 season:

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Nah.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Since it's still technically the offseason, this seems the appropriate place to discuss this:

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-owners-reject-mlbpas-114-game-pro...

At this point, I'm just getting pissed off. The NBA, NHL, and MLS have already made agreements and are finalizing plans to restart their seasons. MLB and the MLBPA need to get off their asses and get their shit together, because if they blow the whole season over money issues, they're going to lose a lot of fans over it. It took them a long time to get over 1994.

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