July 2019 Fishing Report and Discussion Thread

We are entering the dog days of summer, and lots of folks are on the water. Post your fishing reports and questions/discussion here.

As VTFish noted, I got to spend Saturday and Sunday cobia fishing with some Hokies down in Mathews. On Saturday the cobia didn't cooperate, but VTFish and our hosts waylaid the sea mullets at the Spit Light. That is the first time fishing at the Light where I can recall we caught bottom fish. Our hosts kept 50. We went through at least a dozen as live baits or chunks. And, we kept a handful in a minnow trap on the creek to use for bait Sunday.

On Sunday, we tried a different launch point and positioning. Our bait situation was dire- the baits were barely alive after the overnight in the lower salinity water. Fortunately the threadfins were thick and easily caught. And, at least for a window, the cobia wanted them. We managed 5 total, but 4 were just short of the 40 inch size limit and 1 was a tiny baby. I had a run and pulled tight on what felt like a nice fish, but the second hookset pulled it.

Over the course of 2 days, I believe we caught 9 species of fish. It was a good time and we learned a ton.

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Yeah, French, I forgot to add Devon's ray to the count for Sat. Glad you guys nailed 'em on Sunday, shorts or not. You earned it.

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I have seen more rays this year than ever before. Whenever it gets slick out and I'm off work I'm going to shoot some with the bow.

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No snark here at all, just curious as to what you'll do with them after you stick them?

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X2 on the curiosity

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Eat the wings!

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I've heard they're tasty, and the locals tried for a while to market them as "Chesapeake" rays, but with little or no success. One reason I asked is that I took some guests a few years ago out for a boat ride anround the Hole in the Wall and surrounds. We beached the boat and took a walk and were greeted by the delightful sight of maybe two dozen dead rays, each with an arrow hole. We'd had a couple of bow hunting charters working the area the week before. Needless to say, killing them and then just tossing them back in isn't the way to win friends and supporters and there were a number of complaints about this. I don't like 'em, don't really want them around, and consider them a nuisance, but dealing with the carcasses by just dumping them is pretty poor form in my book. I've been told that their skin is their liver (sorta) and care must be used in the cleaning, but that they're decent fare once that's done. Let us know your take.

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I've seen bow fishing guides running in the East River also going for rays. I definitely wouldn't shoot any rays without intending to eat them. Blue cats I will shoot and eat but I will also happily throw those in the crab pot if I shoot too many to eat.

I will let you know how they taste. I have heard they are good as well but I haven't tried them myself.

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The wings are fantastic table fare. Great pan fried, especially with a lemon caper brown butter sauce. Meat is sweet with an interesting texture, almost like crab meat.

I've heard some less scrupulous fishmongers have been known to sell ray wing meat as scallops.

And also, you can put lemon caper brown butter sauce on a flip flop and it'll taste good.

I'd like to try ray at some point.

Skate wing plugs are definitely infamous, reason for leaving the scallop feet on when I sell them.

You sell scallops? Where do you do this?
My father once was pretty sure he'd been served skate wings instead of scallops and he complained loudly and wanted to talk to the cook. The waitress took him in the kitchen where we could hear a "discussion". Dad came back out and ate the rest of his meal without a word. He paid, we left, and in the car, mom asked him what the deal was. Dad said the cook admitted to buying the wings and stamping them out himself, apologized and offered to comp the whole family's meal. Mom asked why he paid then and daddy said that he liked the guy right off, the guy fessed up, and daddy had to admit to the cook that they were delicious and despite his suspicions, was enjoying them regardless, so he'd eat them and pay for the meal. We never passed that way again, but if we had, I suspect dad would have stopped there again. Ever since, I've been tempted to eat a skate, but just haven't done it. One thing I do know, a good chef can make almost anything taste great.

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At a seafood market in Richmond, Tuckahoe Seafood. Great story, love your dads outlook on the situation. And yeah, best to avoid a joint doing that.

My fishing report is the heat index is 101 and the air isn't moving.

I did just pick some devil's toungue peppers off the bush on the porch. Going to try my hand at making homemade hot sauce. I don't even particularly like hot sauce but my friends do; and I do like to cook new things and peppers are what I have to work with. The ingredients on the Crystal bottle are cayenne, vinegar, and salt. How hard can it be?

Oh, and my daughter called last night and said "Kyle fried the flounder and they are good. Dad, why don't you like flounder?" So I guess I'll be keeping...and cleaning...a few flounder. I am going to set a decent size limit however.

It ain't Florida hot here, but it's hot as hell and I've decided to spend the week indoors. Wife is binging on Wimbledon and I'm re-reading Randy Wayne White. Today it's Captiva, with the netters vs the recreational fishermen and Doc Ford and Tomlinson at their finest. What the hell did people do before AC?
Yeah, flounder's good, and it's too damn hot to be making hot sauce, I'd warrant.

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that's the thing...near the coast our hottest weather is typically late May into mid-June (winds from W/SW). Once summer pattern starts (daily sea breeze) it's humid as all get out but highs usually stay in the 80's and afternoon thunderstorms are the norm. They fire up over the peninsula and march toward the coast. July 4 is often more bearable than Memorial Day. Summer pattern stays in full bore except when we get the dry side of a tropical system...W/SW wind. I almost never have to water the lawn from mid-June til fall.

and as I look out the window, the ripples on the cove are out of the west...oy!

Anyone with experience eating catfish from any Virginia body of water? Wondering where the best chances of not dying from eating a few. Looking to chase some at some point this summer.

I've eaten a bunch of nice channel cats over the years in Va waters all over the state. I think the key to any catfish consumption is size/age. Once they get big, they've lived long enough to start storing the absorbed toxins in their flesh. Even then, probably moderation would mitigate the issue, but why tempt fate? Channel cats are delicious and I usually look for the 2-3 lb fish for the best flesh, flavor, and little to no chance of toxicity. Have heard good things about small flatheads and by all accounts, blue cats in the smaller sizes are great eating.

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Not out of the James around Richmond. I have caught some years ago that looked like genetic freaks.

Three Eyed Dominion Power Catfish

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Blues from the mouth of the Potomac are fantastic, very clean tasting.

I've eaten them out of the Mattaponi/Pamunkey/York Rivers my whole life and haven't had any problems. I do remember reading something a few years back about limiting the number of them that you eat per week from the York but I can't say that I have stuck to that. In any case, we need to get rid of these blue cats so please come and catch as many as possible whether you eat them or not...and bring friends to do the same.

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Yup anyone who wants to eat and get rid of the blue cats in the james come do it but eating them is a risky deal. The mercury in them is what you dont want to get into your system so dont eat alot in a short window or on the regular and youll be fine

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In the James below Hopewell, you have to worry about Kepone also.

Yep, Kepone is in it for the long run, and there are places where the advisory is warranted and should be taken seriously, but there are plenty of cats in plenty of waters that are safe to eat. Again, though, size does matter, regardless of where they're caught. Blue cats under 30" are considered safe enough to be sold commercially, so there's that.

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Thanks! Any suggestions for shore access on the rivers mentioned?

You can catch them, along with croaker, at both public piers on either side of the West Point bridge that crosses the Mattaponi (connecting West Point to King and Queen County). Fishing with squid on bottom rigs should do the trick. There is also a public boat landing in Shanghai in King and Queen that might be fishable and there are a few places closer to Walkerton that are public both on the Mattaponi. VTFly may have insights as well.

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Mattaponi has some serious holes in it that I'm sure are full of catfish. Walkerton is a good launch spot for anyone with a boat or kayak.

One can fish below the walkover bridge to Belle Isle in downtown Richmond and definitely catch catfish in there. I hook them on flies.

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I've caught a couple cats (swear I had a blue hooked but he got off at the boat) fishing for bass in Powhatan lakes. Shore access is meh bring it up on google earth you can check it out. Don't just limit your search to just the James though

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I had looked elsewhere a while back and found that advisories were on both Gaston and Buggs. Mercury seems to be everywhere. It is said that the Mattaponi is the cleanest river in the state. For what that is worth.

As for the James I wouldn't eat a damn thing! If its bad.........its in the James. I have fished the James from Richmond To the Chick in too many tournaments. Has anyone here ever hooked a stinking condom with their crankbait!? Nuf said!

Edit: To keep the vocabulary police away.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I remember when putting in on the New trying to explain to my clients the mentality of some locals with their burned tires and dirty baby diapers I would have to rake out of the way in order to launch some mornings. The used condoms, however, I claimed not to mind at all. At least the bastards weren't reproducing.

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The garbage in the James is one of the reasons I won't set foot in it any longer. Yes, I have seen condoms, never caught one.

There is a fly out there designed for pike that is tied with a condom. I know if a few tiers who use it is ribbing on caddis flies and it looks really good. I'll have to tie up one of those pike flies and see how it does....

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James River Article on PCBs

Mercury is not the largest problem on the James or most of the bodies of water in Virginia. Its a family of chemicals referred to as PCBs. As for catfish, most of the recommendations from the state are that once a catfish has passed 32" in size, you should limit yourself to two or less meals a month to zero meals a month depending on the pollution levels of the location. Catfish aren't the only species affected by PCBs but more so because PCBs are known to sink to lower levels of the waterways they pollute. Unfortunately PCB pollution, much like fertilizer pollution is hard to pinpoint and can take decades to leach out of the soils thus contaminating the river for just as long.

Speaking of being hot... 82 when I got to the beach at 5:45 yesterday morning. I tied my first 2 saltwater specific flies Sunday night so I figured I'd try them out. Good news is the water was glass calm, gin clear, full of bait, and BIG snook were running in groups of 3 and 4. The bad news is I think I tied too much flash into my flies, and the Spanish mackerel tore them apart before I got a really good shot at a snook... So I was reduced to throwing redfish flies at snook on the beach....

Not a great start to July as far as fish landed goes. Hopefully those female snook stay around until I get my shit together....

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Straight white EP minnow for snook, no flash, will get the job done

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Yeah I tried to get fancy and use some chartreuse and green flash. No dice

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Spanish on the fly ain't too bad and they're tasty as well if you can clean em quick I'd kill to have them in range around here like that

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Hell no, it was fun for sure. Just didnt want them like I wanted the snook... and they chopped up my flies....

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Thats why you tie your own so its cheaper to replace em and if you want to avoid them reduce the flash and Id guess they might leave it be more than not.

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Yeah that's why I started tying again. I spent $8 (each) on 3 EP minnows and the wife about had a heart attack.

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Got a report that there's a guy catching puppy drum off the beach of the OBX on fly. I do not know where. He says they aren't "in thick" but he has gotten 8 in two days. Those are damn good numbers for redfish on fly, in the surf, in the middle of summer. I find it rare to get a red in surf in summer. Fall and winter it is common.

Maybe those fish that are usually sound side are in the surf for some reason...

Wilmington tomorrow for me through the weekend. Mostly play, but of course taking the Hewes. Will be fishing Cape Lookout the week after.

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I will be down in Beaufort on the 20-21st weekend. Main mission is puppy drum but I've heard it's been spread out/off year so far.


i've been a professional youtube fisherman for 10 minutes, and i can tell you the best way to kill a fish is to shoot it with a 357 magnum

This comment is gold

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Heading down to Blacksburg next Fri. I have never fished the New around there. Any advices on public access fishing? Just bank fishing. Thanks.

I use to catch small mouth at New River Junction near where everybody goes tubing. Easy places to park and get out to fish.

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You can fish near the junction as stated above. We also used to fish in the shoals just above there at McCoy where the road intersects. If I recall there used to be some places locals would park and walk up and down the railroad tracks to access the river. Probably not legal access but we used to do it all the time and those shoals held a lot of fish. They basically consisted of parallel rock ledges with drop-offs so be careful and don't venture out if flows are up. Another good option is to access near the Whitethorne boat ramp. You can fish near the ramp but there used to be a trail that crossed the trestle across the small creek coming in there. There were always some fish around that creek and there used to be a trail that went up river there for a good ways. Good luck and be safe.

Just be careful if you wade. Those ledges will sneak up on you. You can go below Big Falls in McCoy past all the people and the ledges hold a lot of fish. You can drive across the mountain and fish up above King William Bridge. The new boat ramp in Pembroke has a lot of sections that people are too lazy to try and fish. If I didn't already have prior musical engagements I would take you out.

Morning team! Thought I would update my trip to the east. My family and I had one evening with our buddies to venture to the sandy shores of Virginia Beach, with intentions of body surfing, building sand castles and eating Zero Subs in the shadows of the lifeguard stand. Our friends suggested the Sand Bridge area with ease of access from the parking lot and relatively smaller crowds. We took one long-rod pole, a 4 oz triangle weight and size 4 Khale hooks. Frozen 26/30 shrimp was the bait of choice.

As the sun starting cooling off, we cast into the waters just as far as we could sling it. My friend, myself and 9 children under 10 had the memory of a lifetime as we pulled in one friendly catch after another. We were primarily hitting the trough, the area between breaks in waves, as the Whiting were feasting on our bait. I don't have any crazy shark photos to share, nor do I have any big game fish or impressive looking mackerel; but what I do have is knowing that our little band of skallywags and landlubbers didn't go "fishing" this day, but rather "catching".

Thanks for all the tips and suggestions from before, as I now set my sails due west and will enjoy seeing you guys from the great state of Texas. Below is my favorite photo from the day, as my 2-year old daughter seems to say, "something smells fishy around here".

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Sweet. The look on her face is priceless. I think Whiting is pretty good table fair and they are easy to filet. You just have to have decent size and numbers to get a meal for several adults and kids. So, did you keep them and if so, how many and what sizes were you getting? Glad the family had fun.

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Thx guys for the comments! Yes, in about an hr's time, we landed between 6-8. We didn't keep any, but were able to get everyone involved, in between the reeling, de-hooking, to touching to the release.

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We all start somewhere, and for my brother and me as kids, it was spot, croaker and whiting. Catching is the key to keeping kids interested. Doesn't hurt that they're tasty all fried up with hushpuppies. And for the size of the fish, they fight pretty well on lighter tackle.

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She's a cutie. You're in big trouble!

Sea mullet are the best. Many a kid got hooked by those hard pulling panfish. Great report!

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I've been wanting to post my Canada report but I've been slammed here at work and can't find the time. Hopefully I can get it done on Friday as it will be slow after the 4th.

What service do you guys use to host pictures? I'd like to include some and used photobucket years ago but didn't know if there were other options out there.

imgur, hit new post, upload your photo, in the top right of the photo there will be a drop down and click on share links, copy BBcode

Fly people I'm gonna be down piddling in the mobjack tomorrow whats a good fly outside of a clouser to use just casting at docks and around grass and channels and what not?

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Tomorrow? Well, whatever you throw, make sure it's red, white and blue, baybee.

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Whatever you take, just don't let Tom pack your lunch. I seen that peanutbutter and cheese post Ifish. ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคข

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Dude, you left out the baloney for goodness sake. Gotta have the baloney. And Mary Jane bread.

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So wrong! I might use this for discipline... now listen up kiddos, if you don't do your homeschooling, you get the PB&C for dinner!

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Tell ya what, though, you make those kids a PB_B&C sammy sometime and you might be surprised at their reactions. Problem is, though, you'd have to come up with the beef vegetable cafeteria soup to make it perfect, and this cannot be done outside of the school cafeteria itself.

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Yeah I'll be there tomorrow just gonna paddle around and chuck some stuff around docks for a little something to do. I figured if I could even just find some croaker on a 6 weight they could be something to do

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Good luck. We've found spot and croaker along with an occasional gray trout in the deeper water at the mouth of Put In Creek, in open water though.
Going to the fireworks in town?

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I'll let ya know if I can find anything at all, dunno on the fireworks since I've got to work on friday I'll probably have to head back to richmond before the fireworks

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A friend of mine puts on those fireworks at the Mathews High School. If you go let me know what you think.

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Tell him to go back to doing it from the wharf I miss being able to sit out on the dock and catch the fireworks from the house.

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I will - I thought it was strange for a place surrounded by water to shoot them off at the high school. Urbanna does a great job shooting them off over the water and most of the town can still see them, but they are more consolidated than Mathews.

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Well, not all of us are fortunate enough to live on the water. I wouldn't be able to see them from my house there either, and a significant portion of the peninsula wouldn't have a place to see them from at all. As it is, you are more likely to be able see the Mathews fireworks from Deltaville cottages on the Piankatank than folks like me who are only a mile away and in town, not to mention everyone from here to New Point, but moving them back to the Wharf wouldn't change that for we more inland dwellers.

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I usually go every year. For a tiny venue, I think the fireworks are fantastic. Wish I could see them from the house, but that would be my only complaint.
Tell your friend he should be proud.

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M4 in Chicken on a Chain color. That's olive, chartreuse and white with copper and black flash.

My best fly this year has been a clouser in grey, chartreuse and white.

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Threw a white and chartreuse clouser for a while to no avail might just try some red and black TNT next time

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Inshore fishing has been super slow this year

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in the near 4 hours since i last posted, i took the gheenoe out to see how it did with trolling motor. the trolling motor is a great fit. I can can stand in front of the front bench seat, work the TM and fish. nice stealthy little boat, relatively stable, and very easy to handle with the TM, even in the current. but it would be way better without that front seat. and it would be way better with the back bench seat another 6 inches closer to the transom, and it would be way better with a 9.8 outboard instead of a 6. yes, this type of thinking is one of my best personality assets...and most serious defects.

And my lack of it might be mine.

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Dont forget the GPS and depth finder along with bow lights and a livewell in the front as well

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that, too!

Went to NC to check out a boat today. Now I've got this and it doesn't fit in my yard. 2011 2100Tidewater Baymax Yamaha F150 274 hours. I'm now the second owner and the first owner did a hell of a job taking care of it. 112 36v Minnkota has seen water 1 time, Minnkota Talon, all new batteries and onboard chargers. It's significantly larger than my old Flatsmaster, didn't quite account for its width (8' beam) when considering if it would fit.

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Good looking boat! Enjoy!

I will eventually...put me in a bit of a hole the way everything worked out but I talked to guy down into what I consider a great deal and couldn't pass. Then he started throwing stuff in for free. Got 3 spares, a custom cover, 2 gallons of yamalube, the old trolling motor, some other random odds and ends.

Now I just have to save up some to fill up this 60 gallon tank....

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If ya got money to buy the boat. Ya got money to buy the gas. Seriously tho, great fishing platform for flats and nearshore stuff

Holy shit that's a big gas tank

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Yeah should give me a bunch of range, guy said he did 112m and still had plenty left. I don't know why I'd ever need to go 150m in this boat but it's nice to not have to worry about "do I have enough gas for this run" if I get reports of a bite when I'm already launched.

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Wow, that is fantastic!! Congrats and enjoy. Looking forward to some water and fish pics!

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Nice!

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beautiful! I think you're going to enjoy that one a long time.

I think we all agree. I have boat envy, not unusual for me, but still. Looks like ya done good .

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which scout do you have and what hp?

2006 Scout Dorado 185, 115 4 stroke Yamaha. Biggest bestest boat I've ever owned (with apologies to my top of the line Maravia guide raft) but around here? It's just a dinghy. A 'tweener, it has a really nice amount of space behind the split cockpit to the stern with the back seat out. More than several bigger boats I've been on. Livewell and a couple of rod holders, but definitely not a primarily fishing boat. Compromise with mommer, essentially. Biggest issue is that it won't take a trolling motor, not made for it, and it's too small for venturing out in the bigger seas. It's seaworthy, but you have to take so slow that it isn't worth a long run through anything more than 1, 1-2' waves. Fairly shallow draft, but not flats boat shallow, and I've blown out three prop sleeves the year the redfish were in the shallows. It's pretty fast, though, and fun to drive. And, it's what I got.

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I can cure all your boat envy in just two simple steps. 1) if applicable get rid of anyone telling you you cant have the boat you want (wife, girlfriend, etc) 2) be okay with going into lots of debt.

Just filled her up for a little pleasure cruise.....48 gallons at 2.86...

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Well, I coulda tole myself that. But, 1) Nah. 46+ years into it, I don't think I'd do too well without her, 2) Not ok with the lots of debt. That's the only reason I'm not living in abject poverty...the absence of debt.
So, I'll limp along, and resign myself to a state of permanent boat envy, but hey, thanks for the advice.

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Caught on camera! I thought everyone on here would enjoy this, and what better place to post than on French's fishing thread.

I visited my parent's home for the first time in half a decade, and started going through some items on the shelf. I found some hidden treasures. Old comic books, my old Children's Bible, high school football programs and a real sleeper: a college program from a recruiting trip I went on to Emory & Henry. I knew, through this forum, that French and I possibly crossed paths in a former life, but now I can confirm: his bio and photo were clearly posted on page 34, of the 1998 season's homecoming game. As the story goes, I had a great time spending the weekend with the team and watching the game, but I decided to enroll as a freshman at VT and never looked back. If my memory serves me correctly the Wasps were dominant that season, finishing 10-0. I don't follow them now but I'm pretty sure they haven't reached that level of success since French's days.

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So, he was on the team at the same time as A friend from Rural Retreat. Nifty.

Temple Musser?

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Yep. He's a good bit older. I was in school with younger siblings.

He's was a coach of mine. Fantastic human being.

Good guy, and he was a much better football player than I was.

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That was a big game. Our 98 team wasn't as talented as the 97 team. We won five games by a field goal or less and had some guys make huge clutch plays. There was a confidence that we were going to win that I have never felt since, even as a fan. Of course, I had very little to do with any of that (if I remember correctly, I played against Bridgewater, Greensboro, Hampden Sydney, and Maryville that year, and Greensboro and Maryville were complete massacres.)

Homecoming was a huge deal. Randolph Macon had beaten us at their place the year prior and we tied for the ODAC title. They were the first team I played that ran a boatload of five wide sets and receiver screens, so much that it took Coach Wacker out of his beloved 4-3 defense. We had a strong side outside linebacker named John Carmody. If you looked at him, you would have never thought he was a football player (6'3ish, maybe 200 pounds) but he was a terrific linebacker. He had a monster game against Macon by blitzing and getting tons of pressures.

Thank you for a chance to have some great memories!

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Did you play with Danny Dorton? I think he was on the team at that same time. He was from my hometown and I played ball with his younger brother. Never got to see him play at E&H but he was a hell of a high school FB/LB.

Yes. Danny was a good dude. I lived with his college roommate Perl after college.

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What was it like playing with OJ Beane? I remember playing against him as a youngster, but never realized how much older he was than I at the time. Back in the day he played for the youth rec league Roanoke Optimist, and I reminder having many a collision with him. Powerful runner, even as a kid.

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He was powerful, probably should have played more but we were really deep at fullback. Chris Helvey was such a good blocker. Andy Stanley was an elite tailback who moved to FB after a knee issue and was really good at both. OJ would have been good in a Peoples type of role- but we had an All American at TB (Oliver Jordan) and a second team all ODAC as a backup (Ernest Cheatum) and one of the best TBs in SWVA history as a rotation guy in David Scammel. You'd be hard pressed to find a better set of RBs in D3 during the 90s.

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Thx for sharing, cheersโ€”

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OJ was one of the all time good dudes. I haven't seen him in 20 years. I hope he is doing well. And he would have been a very productive starter at pretty much any of the other ODAC schools.

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Now how freakin' cool is that? Nice find, thanks.

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Welp didnt get completely skunked found a pier with lots of little blues under it but couldnt get a bite to save my life theyd chase and chase and chase but no eating and of course I forgot my saltwater fly box so I tried small cranks to no success until I hooked a big skate at my feet that sent me running. The fiance finally caught a nice oyster toad on some crappie bites that was hiding under the pier but couldnt even find croaker that wanted fishbites.

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Well, I tried to tell you where they were, not that there were any bucket benders or anything. Dock fishing hasn't been all that good for anyone I've spoken with this year. I know a couple of folks who've lucked into some small stripers, even a handful in the 18-20" range in the Piankatank, but the East has been the least this year.

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Yup I didnt have a boat yesterday so was stuck having to wade around but a day on the end of a pier is far better than a day working.

Going to be in fairfield this weekend so may try and remedy my fishing blues on the south river or maybe even wander into the blue ridge for some dry fly action.

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Jess, please come over to my house and get this canoe. You can leave it at your parents house just in case you get caught without a boat again. I know canoes aren't much in the salt, but it'd beat wading if the wind wasn't up. Yours for the taking.

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Welp I'll come grab it next time in that neck of the woods I've got a pond it can be used in. I'll email you when I know I'll be back that way to swing by!

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Good deal. It's been stored out of the sun for many years, so the Royalex sandwich is still good. Might need a little duct tape on the seats, they're plastic and old, but rails and thwarts are all Blue Hole aluminum framework.

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It'll serve me well for a pond canoe on a few farms I'll have to get ya up there one day to test out the canoe sometime once it gets cooler by a bit.

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Finally got some time to post a writeup for my recent Canada trip, so here goes. Sorry if it's a bit long winded so be forewarned.

After some plane issues in Charlotte we missed our connecting flight from Minneapolis to International Falls. This put us in the late flight into there and we had to scramble to get our outfitter arranged for a later pickup. After sleeping in the terminal floor with my carry on as a pillow, we finally made it to International Falls, crossed the border and boarded a float plane on the Rainy River right by the side of the road. 45 minutes later we landed at Meggisi Lake and we wasted no time getting our gear unpacked and hitting the water.

Given our late arrival we didn't have a lot of time to burn but we wanted to take a look and see if we could move some fish. In this lake it was musky or bust and our previous time here showed that the fish were up in shallow weeds and lily beds in some of the bigger flats, typically in 3'-6' of water. A quick run to the north end of the lake showed that the lilies had yet to come up and we didn't see much shallow other than some small pike. There had been a pretty significant cold front come through which may have affected the fish. We cruised a few more spots and marked some humps and other areas on our chartplotter to come back to later.

The next day had our crew of 5 spread out in 3 boats looking for fish. Pike were a given in shallow weed beds (good for getting us off the goose egg) but by midday we hadn't seen a single musky. The fish definitely didn't appear to be shallow, so on the way in to lunch we tried our hand at trolling the banks in order to cover some water and again map a bit of the bottom contours. Anyone that has fished in Canada probably knows that the lakes are nothing like our impoundments here, as there's typically no defined creek channel and points and humps can appear from anywhere. About 30 minutes into the troll we came up on a hump in about 15' of water coming up from 25'. We marked some fish and sure enough as my believer passed over it my rod bowed over. I stopped the motor and worked the fish to the boat and was ecstatic to see a nice mid 40" musky on the line. My co-angler at the time was a bit overly excited as well, and the first time I got the fish up by the boat he thrust the net in the water. Instead of getting under the fish, he managed to not only hit my lure but snag a treble in the net. Needless to say the fish swam off and we were deflated once again. After lunch we remained dejected, but we did move a nice musky next to a laydown adjacent to deep water (he rushed the bait hard as soon as it hit, fins out of the water, then gone), and another boat caught a nice lake trout trolling in about 25', so we hoped to build on that momentum and get back to square one in the morning.

The next day brought sunny skies and even warmer temps. We had planned to make a long run for an aluminum V hull โ€“ about 5 miles โ€“ to look for greener grass. After making a sketchy beaver dam crossing, we were greeted to some good looking water with several pockets off of the main channel. Wanting to stick a pike to get the juices flowing, we moved into one pocket next to a beaver lodge and sure enough there sat what we thought was a pretty nice pike in about 3' of water. I cast my silver minnow and the fish darted and struck, and I made a solid hookup. Got the fish to the boat and MUSKY!!! He wasn't the biggest, but we had broken the curse and had a ski in the boat.

We moved up the lake to our planned rendezvous and were greeted with lots of large rock bluffs and drop-offs. Pike were everywhere there seemed to be a shallow flat adjacent to deeper water, and on the way out of a cut to eat some lunch on the shore we noticed our companion boat figure 8ing frantically. We eased up to them and sure enough there was a large fish, looked to be 48", chasing baits but not committing. We moved off and agreed to mark the fish for later, hoping she'd be in the same location(turns out she was, and the next day straightened the hook on a spook on another boat). Feeling a bit more confident, we decided to regroup at the cabin and use some of our newfound knowledge on a hard evening fish. Our spirits were lifted a bit more on the way in as I picked up a good lake trout trolling a 2 oz spoon as the boat passed over a 25' hump.

We hit the evening hard, deciding to stay closer to home and fish the area where we'd hooked up and moved fish the day before. After tangling with a few pike we came upon the laydown where we had the aggressive follow the previous day. Sticking with the silver minnow I cast into a fork and yo-yoed the bait back to the boat. As I was about to lift it out of the water I saw a good fish rising behind it. I figure 8'ed and worked the bait around every way I could as the wind pushed us back against the rocks. In a bit of desperation I flipped the bait back out to give a bit of straight line retrieve, and as it neared the boat I got slammed โ€“fish on! Absolute pandemonium ensued for the next 45 seconds as I fought a nice fish with about 10' of line out. After a few failed attempts we got her in the net and I had my second musky of the day. She was a beauty, probably in the low to mid 40's and I couldn't be happier. After a few pics and a celebratory beverage she was on her way back to the depths, and as the sun sank we headed home with two notches on the bow.

The next morning was more great weather. Thinking the fish may have moved even shallower and based on reports from the other boats, we hit a few flats early but didn't move a fish. We headed back to our known quantity from the previous day and hit a rock bluff with laydowns, hoping our semblance of a pattern would hold. Sure enough we moved 2 fish right off the bat, one being an absolute bruiser. We didn't want to push our luck and spook the fish too bad and contemplated heading in to lunch. About that time the skies darkened and the opposite bank started getting pounded by wind, with the trees whipping like a hurricane. About that time the water started swirling off the bank about 200 yds from us and a water spout popped up. Water was funneled into the air what looked like a couple hundered feet. It would have been neat had I not been sitting in a 15' boat and to be honest scared the crap out of me. We got outta there and headed back to the cabin where the skies were much clearer. After we'd made some distance we hit a promising looking hump that we'd previously marked in hopes of something. The water moved up from 25' to about 12', and just as our lures passed over one of the rods loaded up. My buddy grabbed it and worked it to the boat โ€“ another musky! I missed with the net but was able to pull the save and get it in the boat for my buddy's first musky ever. Nice fish probably around 40" or so. We set her free and made it back to the cabin to pat ourselves on the back for a bit.

With lunch in our stomachs and a sense of accomplishment, we headed back to tornado alley in hopes that the fish we'd moved earlier were hungry. We hit the short bank and sure enough had follows by what appeared to be the same fish, but no takers. After brainstorming we made the lake smaller and realized that most every fish we'd seen had been next to rock bluffs and particularly concentrated on wood laydowns. We moved to another area with similar cover, and on my buddy's second cast I looked over and saw gills flare and teeth smash down on his silver minnow. Hog musky. The next couple of minutes were full of splashing and cussing, and after two attempts to get the fish in the net I realized there was no way she was fitting in there. I told my buddy to keep tension and stay cool as I untangled the "gill grabber" that we had brought with us. As he got the fish boatside one final time I was able to get under her gill plate and pull her into the boat. BOOM! Of course she immediately flopped off and we fought that fish all over the boat. We finally got some boga knock offs in her jaw and snapped a few pictures before getting her back into the water. Fish looked to be mid 40's + but without a ruler on the boat we didn't waste time measuring. After working with her for a few minutes she swam off strong back to the laydown. We were absolutely stoked and you could probably hear the war hoops from the cabin.

On the way back in we hit every bank with steep rocks and a laydown, and we moved at least 4 more fish. I did have one nice one hit a couple of times but could not get her to commit hard. We videod me figure 8'ing her for a solid 10 minutes and final gave up. Knowing that the next day we were flying to our second lake made it tough to pack it in, but we'd had a good day. That night a full moon and clear skies tended to agree with our sentiments.

The next day we were off to Priam to chase walleye. While waiting on the plane a nice 40" musky came up right by the dock, but of course our rods were packed and all we could do was watch it swim off. Priam was a bit tough at first, but once we found a half dozen or so areas with sloping rock, we absolutely laid into the walleye. They came through in waves, and anchored up you could watch the depthfinder and once fish started to move into the cone you caught them. Leeches, minnows and nightcrawlers were money, but we did catch more than our share on jigs and cranks. Biggest of the 3 days was a nice 26" fish on a crank. The easy fishing was a nice break from the running and gunning we'd done previously.

Overall I was thrilled with how the trip went. If we'd had another day at Meggisi I think we could have easily picked up a few more musky, however we'll keep that info in mind for the next trip. We ended up with 7 musky, dozens of pike (we avoided them after the 2nd day), and a few hundred walleye. We also caught a few smallmouth, largemouth, redeye, and perch for a total of 7 species. The walleye were great but something about feeling that big head shake from a musky stirs something in you. I'm ready to go back โ€“ well not quite but maybe in a week or so. Sorry for the novel but wanted to fill you guys in on how everything went. Stay safe on the water and tight lines.

Awesome pics dude

04- Thanks for the write up! Sounded like a glorious trip! Did you bring fish back? Eat some walleye up there? Congrats on the muskies! Awesome. How big was your net? Only a musky guy would get that!

My report. WE fished a small 25-30 boat tourney last Sunday on Buggs. I caught 2 LMB that when put together I could not weigh. That is the way it has been the last 2 years. My pjartner caught 2 legal but I did not even weigh them. I have some sort of stink on me! Anyway with the blazing heat I have packed up all my stuff until the fall.

Now organizing for my own August musky trip to LOTWs. I'm ready to go now!

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but something about feeling that big head shake from a musky stirs something in you.

Yeah, THUNK and the whole world stops for a second then generally, hell breaks loose!

Tight lines!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

We didn't bring any fish back but we got our fill while we were there. Slim pickins at the musky lake but we ate a few pike to get us over the hump. They actually aren't bad if you know how to fillet around the Y bone. At Priam we ate more walleye than we could handle. Fried, blackened, on sandwiches, we wore our fillet knives down keeping our bellies full. I'm still having walleye and Lebatt's withdrawals.

Hope you guys have a good trip at LOTW's. How long are you going to be there? Our 3 days was really too short as we seemed to figure them out right as we had to move. We need to meet up this fall or winter and hit some local water.

And you're right on the THUNK. Just no comparison. It's like opening the gate on a bull ride.

Great write-up 04', loved the photos. Good looking fish!

If it ain't orange, it better be maroon...and if it ain't maroon, it better be soon!

That looks amazing as someone looking to start trekking to canada youve given me alot of food for thought especially on the muskie thing we were looking for somewhere reliable to get muskie where we had a good shot and that looks pretty good. Now we just need to upgrade some tackle and start planning for a trip in a few years.

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I am super jealous

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An epic tale told well. Pictures enhanced your excellent writing and we all appreciate it.

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Glad you enjoyed the story - it was a hell of a trip. Post is full of typo's but gotta get back to work for now - may edit later.

You mentioned a chartplotter. I was given one when a sailor we knew died, a Garmin unit he'd barely used. I bought a new battery and power plug in cord for it which ran about $60. I'd be happy to sell it for a song if someone is in need of one. I have no use for it, but it's in perfect condition and cost about $500 new.

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I use a simple device made by Vexlar called a Sonar Phone. It's basically a transducer that connects to a box that sends out a WiFi signal. I then connect it to my iPad and I've got a pretty sweet portable sonar. I pair that with the Navionics app and I can map the bodies of water that I'm fishing, set waypoints, track speed, most anything you would do with a standard chart plotter. For Canada I made a portable bracket for my transducer and just c clamp it on. At home I use a ram mount for my iPad and it works surprisingly well.

This was one of the areas we picked up a musky trolling. You can see the obvious point in the left part of the screen but more fish were holding on the underwater hump to the right. Without our setup we never would have been able to consistently hit that small hump. It paid off big time throughout the week.

Modern technology is evolving so fast it'll outrun itsownself one of these days. Very cool, and seems perfect for what you needed up nawth.

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it would take me a month to figure out how to use something like that

And I never would. It's all Greek to me, and I'm not kidding. I still don't half know how to use my depth finder, billed as the easiest to use on the market. I'll admit that it is an entrenched aversion built on a lifetime of ineptitude. That and we didn't have any kids to teach us, and my wife is worse than I am at that stuff. Some friends have sorta tried to help us, but mine eyes just glazeth over when they start on gigs and apps and such.

I need to get a T shirt made: Don't Tech Me, Bro!

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I need to get a T shirt made: Don't Tech Me, Bro!

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I love it!

04 is this the unit?

The LOTW trip is 4 days of fishing. We leave out of Angle Inlet and into Ontario 1 half mile east of Oak Island which is in MN.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Real question, my ignorance is a given. If you're relying on a cell phone for this stuff, what happens when you're out of cell range? Is there coverage even in the hinterlands of the great white north? Seems like a satellite set up would be the ticket, but that may just be showing my ignorance.

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The smart phone / Ipad are merely a monitor and platform to run the apps. I take for granted that the plotter runs on GPS. I'm pretty sure 04 didn't have cell service where he was.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

the cell phone or ipad communicate directly with the sonar unit. so nothing gets bounced off of a satellite.

Exactly as stated above. The system uses GPS for plotting and location and doesn't rely on cell service. While up north I had my devices in airplane mode to keep the battery draw down. The device is essentially a screen and if you're just using sonar you don't even need GPS.

That's the portable version of what I have. I use the version with the standard transducer and made a bracket instead of using the suction cup. I'm sure the portable would work fine. Make sure you check out the Navionics app also. You can get a free 30 day trial and I'm sure LOTW is mapped heavily already. With that you can do a split screen with your chart on top and your sonar on bottom. An iPad helps just due to the size but a phone works as well. I'm sure they work with any system not just Apple. I'll take a pic of my setup and post. One thing to make sure of is battery - need to make sure that's addressed.

Hey guys. I've been reading the board for a while but just now got an account. Anyone have any tips or places to go fishing in Hampton roads? I have a fishing kayak and have went out in the back river and the pagan river. Dream fish is a Cobia but I love catching stripers, blues, Spanish, Flounder, etc. Haven't went out on a boat since I moved here in 2015. TIA

For cobia, fish around the rockpile (grandview) or Buckroe. The best time there is late May/early June but it is a short paddle from the beach to where you want to be (10-12 feet.) Other than that, the only place I know guys chase cobia from a yak is to run the CBBT.

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Thanks French. I went down with a coworker to Avalon and got hooked (he knows everyone down there) Haven't got into Pin Rigging yet but have got into bucktail fishing. Still getting my feet wet with saltwater as I've bass fished my whole life.

Welcome aboard!

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Just found this:

REcord Flat Head

I've caught several on the James and Potomac throwing cranks and spinnerbaits. What at fight at 5-10 pounds! Every time you think I have the big bass but then it won't come up and you get slimed.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Lol, catfish is about all you can on the James where I am these days.

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OK, another last minute Sunday trip. Don't know what's gotten into me fishing on weekends. Yesterday, 3rdGen suggested we do a light tackle foray in the Mobjack this morning and he caught me in a fishing mood, so we met at 7 and went for trout. As low or lowest tide I've seen here, but we found trout at Diggs Wharf (for those who are familiar with the Mobjack Bay) at the mouth of the East River. Also picked up a small striper there. Motored up the North to a place we've caught them before and got a couple more and a croaker or two as well. 3rd was throwing a Zman, I a Gulp shrimp. We then motored up the North and found fish on a few docks to round out the day before the storms. Ended up with 16 trout with a couple of 16-1/2" fish, a couple in the 15+ range, and on down to maybe 11" or so. 11 croakers, some of which were as big as I've caught them the last few years also came aboard, mostly on the Gulp. We also had a bunch of bites, missed hits and lost fish, so we were pretty darned happy with the half day's results. All fish were released, we both have fish in the freezer and I don't care for trout anyway. To that subject, I'm having cobia for supper tonight and looking forward to it.
Hopefully, when 3rd gets back to RVA, he'll post a picture of one of his nice trout. Lots of light tackle fun.

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Geat stuff, thanks for sharing. Glad ya'll made it out and looking forward to some pics!

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Everywhere we went today your boat could've easily handled and the trolling motor would have made things much better. Need to get you down here for a cobia, though. You're due.

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Let's do what y'all did today. Cobia are great, but I like the moving around catching numbers over hoping for that one big bite! I'll ping and see if we can find a good day.

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Sure, it was a great break from the cobia thing. Hot, hard, stinky and chum ain't cheap, not to mention the fact that they can be darned hard to come by, despite the numbers reported in the Bay.
Start looking for after this week, I've got several things going on the next few days. Wind and waves don't have to be perfect for trout fishing as long as it isn't too sporty.

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I had friends catching similar numbers of trout on the guinea flats on z mans.

804

I have heard from a couple of other folks who've found them on the Rappahannock as well. Must be a good year for them shaping up. 3rdGen was using a Z, but I stuck with Gulp shrimp after switching early on from a Gulp jerk shad. I like some things about the Z, was surprised how supple it was for how tough they are and will likely add some to the box, but I'm definitely a confidence guy and until it outfishes Gulp, I'll be spending too much and putting up with the smell of that Gulp.

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Where's the guinea flats?

Look for the smoking marshes and youre close enough.

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Usually refers to the flats around the creeks on the south tip of the Mobjack....and yes you should keep an eye over your shoulder for Guineamen...

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Thanks to both of you. Looked around the map for it for a bit. Definitely looks fishy

I think I've seen pictures of you in a kayak. It's a great place to kayak fish.

804

Yep that was my plan. Easy to access and short distance to go

When I first moved here my neighbor told me seriously to stay away from Guinea after dark, especially on the weekends. After living in Giles and being told the same thing about Parrot, on the Pulaski side of the New River, then having it proven a few times, I've taken her advice.

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I've always heard the same about Parrot and since I took the advice, I never experienced any shenanigans. Aside from the general, "stay away", I was never told any specifics of the potential danger. What goes on over there after dark?

Nothing happened to me, personally, and I know it is a popular place to wade fish, great ledges, but treacherous enough to have drownings. At night, though, I know of two folks who were sneak attacked in separate incidents and punched out while camping, and a lifelong area local who was as rough as they come, told me stories of his friend's encounters, etc. How much was rural legend, how much true or half true, who knows, but he said sometimes people who live there just disappear. I went there a few times to wade, but was way gone by dark. Hard to get there, too. You have to be looking for it to find it.

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I've always been sketched out of the parrot side of the river some strange stuff goes on over there and I'm pretty certain that the drug use is pretty high based on what I've seen from the river. I did have a friend tank a canoe there during duck season. They went to that side so they didn't die of hypothermia, knocked on the first door they came across, guy let them in told them he had to go to work they were more than welcome to stay and warm up until they could get a ride out.

I've stayed on the islands a few times there camping. For the most part avoided most encounters did have a few people "row" a jon boat over to us and try to be intimidating, they left after they realized how many of us were there. Did have some people launch a potato cannon at us...late that night they came to the island and asked if we had any hairspray....

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Sounds about right with what I've heard. As your friend found out, though, there are good people even in bad places.

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Was thinking about doing a quick after work session in the yak. Rethinking that now...

My parent is a wildfire responder for glouscester and mathews and I can confirm some freaky shit goes on at guinea after dark and by our standards some weird shit goes on in the light there as well. They set the marsh on fire regularly when they burn their trash or sometimes just cause theyve got nothing better to do. If you go there be smart on when you go.

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Gotcha. Thanks for the heads up. Will try to be safe as possible and get out before dark

This is insane. Hopefully they will wipe themselves out.

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For the most part the area is being gentrified and the old guineamen have moved inland. I have heard of fewer and fewer issues over the past 5-10 years but I still would rather not be over there after dark.

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Its definitely less than it used to be but still goes on in the background more now with fewer and fewer of them. Once had a conversation with an old guinea man and I got every fourth word or so the old dialect was a bitch to try and understand. Best advice give em space and they shouldnt be any harm. Theyre def pyros though they like fire

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Country folk can be the nicest folk you'll ever meet, but it is just true that certain rural areas harbor the more unsavory side of the "redneck" culture, for lack of a better word than ''white trash", and while those areas are, in fact, shrinking in general, drugs, poverty and stubborn tradition still hold sway in some of the old hardscrabble communities.
I was run off from the Frisco campground back in 1968 by the park ranger because I had the audacity to bring a black co-worker with me for a camping/fishing trip. He came to our campsite to inform us that when he left at 5:00 pm, there would be no authority on hand to help us when the locals came to see to our eviction by force. He said we'd been noticed already. Hatteras, you see, was well known as a place black folks didn't let the sun go down on them, but I didn't know it yet. My black friend got the drift immediately and was packing up before the ranger even got back in his truck while I was still expressing my outrage to the poor federal employee who was just telling it like it was. I avoided the island of Hatteras for several years after that, and my black friend was never as friendly afterward. Here in Mathews, the same sentiment existed, they even had a sign warning black folk to stay off of Gwynn's Island after dark. Times have changed, though, and sooner or later, the old ways die out.

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Glad to hear there are some decent fish around the mobjack hopefully more will continue to show up and get bigger!

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It is 4am here in Hawaii and I am watching Wimbledon. Waking up to read that report made my day better. I am glad you guys got on them!

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It was a great day! Good to get back to some light tackle action!

Just got to Morehead City from 4 days in Wilmington. Barely fished there in the water, did lots of fishing on land and struck out per the usual. Man oh man there is some great scenery in that town. We ran 80 plus miles in two days in my flats boat just cruising around boat and people watching.

Showed up here hoping to fish the afternoon high tide and there are white caps everywhere. 20 mph plus out of the southwest. No thank you. Similar forecast for tomorrow. Hopefully I can get out and do some scouting / fishing.

Guiding Tuesday and Wednesday and then the following Monday. Hopefully I can fill in the middle days with some more clients. Will have plenty to report, regardless.

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I want to be you when I get younger!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Same!

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Something to look at:

Personalized Text

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Fished hard for 4 hours today. Wind started much lighter than expected, then it caught up to the weatherman. Huge thunderstorms rolled in. I dared to watch them as long as I could, continuing to throw spoons on spin gear and a few flies in the 25 mph breeze trying to find a redfish. Zilch.

On the way back in, noticed the Yamaha wasn't "peeing." Not good. Tried to figure out the problem and couldn't. Idled in as far as I could till I ran out of dry weather devoid of thunder and lightning. Spent 40 minutes being Gilligan on a tiny two acre island behind Harkers with the other inhabitant being a cow. Check my IG story for me drinking my last beer.

FINALLY back on dry land hours later. Motor had sucked some shit up. Luckily I didn't overheat enough to set the alarm off, but man the water coming out of the engine was HOT when I finally cleared the system out.

Guiding tomorrow. Wind is supposed to be 5 knots out of the north. I'll likely be playing in the ocean in the Hewes! (Hope the engine doesn't break down out there because I really will be screwed then.)

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Going out in the yak tomorrow in the Back River in Hampton out of Wallace's. Hope to take advantage of the low humidity to get some time on the water and hopefully enjoy a break at Factory Point. The plan is to use z man and gulp to catch anything biting. With any luck I'll have a good report to bring back.

Have heard things about flounder down there. Good luck!

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For you beach-going vacationers, reds are in real close in the surf in NEFL right now. Will likely stay that way through the dog days.

Sadly, this is not me.

Coming to Flagler again July 27-Aug 3. Should I just fish Flagler like I typically do, or head further from home base? Any suggestions on tactics? Still looking for my first red.

Thanks!

All of my info is from Matanzas Inlet north. The fish above was caught on a Carolina rig/circle hook/fresh dead shrimp in a hole next to a runout near low tide. If you can be mobile, don't spend too much time in one place. Some holes will have fish, some will not. Every tide cycle is a reboot.

Excellent. Thanks!

Man they turn silver in the surf. Looks like a bonefish with a spot on its tail.

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Hobie 360 Drive announcement
Finally a drive system that can fold back when it hits stuff this is something I've been waiting for to come out now to wait a few more years till they come down in price

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Friggin Sweet! I want one.
Any news on cost?
Thanks for sharing.

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I would guess 4k for the pro anglers which are the only models with the 360 fin up system so far but with iCast going on I'd expect more info over the next few days.

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I just ordered a pelican catch 130 hydrve. That looks pretty sweet but way too expensive and the outback is the better fishing kayak from hobie imo.

Nice let us know what you think of the pelican one. I'd agree I like the outbacks the best the pro angler is alot of add ons that arent really necessary. Thats why I wait till theyve got used ones around full price is nuts

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Will do. The pro angler is just seems like a barge to manage and handle by yourself in terms of getting it on and off your vehicle. The problem is the used ones hold their value pretty well so my pelican catch 130 at regular price 1500 which I got on sale at 1300. That is still less than most hobies get posted for on craig's list

Yup but thats why I'm okay going used they hold their value and are good bang for the buck. Brand new theyre just too damn much anyway. If I ever get around to buying one I would do a few test drives before even thinking bout it for that price but I'd agree the outback seems more slender simpler in design weight isnt a huge issue once you have the wheels to roll it with but it seems a bit excessive at times. Since i mainly fish big rivers I've been dying for a pedal drive with retractable fins so I can run through the river without waiting for the prop or fins to get ripped off.

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Dang those prices hurt the wallet.

My immediate reaction to the first thing he mentions is the price tag

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Guess I wont be getting one anytime soon or ever then I figured 4k tops but theyve outdone themselves I'll just ride out in my canoes and spend that money elsewhere on fitting out my nucanoe

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Anything that comes out at iCast I just assume I cannot afford. If its a lure that I can afford, there's already a lure cheaper than it that does the same thing.

Motorguide released their tour trolling motor today. GPS Cable Drive with a transducer on it. $2,300

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Yup same here on the iCast some of this stuff is stupidly priced I expected about 1k extra for the new propel drive from hobie but didnt expect the extra 2k which is absurd for a kayak.

Do they put transducers on the trolling motors these days for the high end ones? That just seems like an easy way to lose one or have it damaged.

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They aren't exactly common until now I think 3 companies have introduced t-motors with transducers at iCast. I can see them being useful for people super into bass/lake fishing that have a screen upfront. Hook that screen up to the front transducer so you're getting a more accurate depiction of whats at the front of the boat rather than the single ducer midship or at the stern that's running both screens.

That's not me though and they only made it freshwater but I wouldn't have to worry about salt intrusion because they also only made a 45" shaft which means on my boat it would never get wet.

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Beaverdam Creek Reservoir nearing reopening

Was excited that the company my wife works for has recently completed the upgrades and repairs to Beaverdam Creek Reservoir and facilities which will open it back up for fishing, even though I expect it will be another 3-5 years before its truly recovered after being primarily drained to allow for the repairs. The refilling of the reservoir has begun but likely wont be back to full strength until late fall/early winter depending on precipitation.

Not as excited that they are going to add an educational park to one area of the shoreline, which will increase the number of people going here dramatically. Even saw discussions of making it the home to high school rowing teams for the entire county, which while not immediately impactful to the fish, it will mean kayak/canoe and other non-motor fishing boats will be much easier to launch. Before the entire shoreline and especially launching any type of watercraft was somewhat difficult to manage making it good to fish.

Not concerned with natural return of bass from the surrounding waterways but am hopeful that they consider stocking the Panfish that normally had been found in this waterway. Used to be fun to alternate catching bass, white perch, golden shiners, and black crappie depending on the cast. Gizzard shad were a rarity but did have a presence before the draining. There was also enough bluegill in close in much smaller sizes to make for decent kid fishing as well as bait fish. Guess another concern will be with the draining, it likely has driven off much of the beaver population and their dams and lodges used to create great structure to fish around for the panfish. The smallmouth bass were pretty legendary if you found them but the majority were largemouth out on the lake structure. Only saw four or five smallmouth's pulled up in the reservoir but all were over 15", one was 20.5" so definitely a great fight from shore.

This weekend I realized the four year fishing license I purchased had just expired so I was looking online at DGIF to try to buy a license online but it appears they only have special permits and non-resident licenses available online. Has this always been the case? Why are resident licenses not available? Just curious if anyone had any insight. Was going to go ahead and bite the bullet for a lifetime license.

Is your residency correct on your profile? Mine shows that too but it limits me because I put an SC drivers license in.

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My residency on profile is in state. Both license and address are VA.

Got mine online, but it's been a few years. Can't imagine you can't do it. Call 'em up.

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I've bought fishing licenses for probably over a dozen states and none of them ever are "easy," because each system is different. Call them, the folks on the other end make it simple.

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I must be lucky. VA, NC, and FL have all been a 10 minute process online. License sent to my email, print, done. But I agree, a quick phone call, while seemingly out of fashion these days, should always help shed light on the process.

I've certainly done some easy ones but there's just so many options to wade through. Usually I'm doing it on my phone so it makes it less navigable.

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Woman in Walgreen's tonight was complaining about how there are way too many fishing license options for NC. I have to agree with her, but I do love their inexpensive pricing.

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I just got mine online this year. Not sure what the deal is.

Just bought ours two weeks ago before when we went out on Claytor. Learned that if you forget it at home, Wal-mart/bait shops can reprint them for you.

You can print from anywhere luckily. You can also download the Go Outdoors VA app and log in and have your license on your phone at all times.

Quick report because I'm tired... Fished hard from 4 p.m. till dark. Hit shark island after being told there were reds there. Lots of bait, no reds, no sharks, though I did have something in the 20-24" range follow my spoon as I scouted for the client.

The jetty produced some 20 inch, 3-4 pound blues. Hooked three, landed one. The other two ate through 40 pound mono. Several others at 16-17" landed.

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No trout at my super secret, in plain sight trout hole.

Ran aground twice on the way in.... hurricanes change channels. No bother, we pushed back off.

Tomorrow, it is all day balls to the wall, going after redfish on grass flats. I am hell bent on finding them and he wants one on fly. I will have tired arms from poling, but hopefully I figure them out a bit. There have to be some around....

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I'm not familiar with the area but this is the laziest solution I've ever seen and likely going to make the area more dangerous that's a ton of navigation markers to pull.

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Lack of federal funding is curtailing the USCG mission all over the place. Here, it is the entrance to Milford Haven around the south side of Gwynn's Island at what is known as the Hole in the Wall. Same situation, pulled the navigation markers due to constant shoaling and shifting, and some locals have gone out and put in a few pvc pipes to try to keep things marked somewhat. Much local consternation, teeth gnashing and loud complaining, but other than extreme rescue, I cannot see what our local coasties are doing out there other than drilling and running around with some high powered toys. Their local station is located in said Milford Haven, and the Hole is literally in their front yard. It isn't laziness, but it is pretty stupid.

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Well the coast guard only does navigational signs not dredging of the inlet (corp of engineers). I think it's more a lack of funds issue. Most of the dredging budget goes to Oregon Inlet. Other theory was that Beaufort Inlet was dredged and has more water flowing in that way and less goes thru barden.

Here's what's lazy in my opinion... posting it on Le Sabre, I mean, The Hull Truth.

And then messaging on Channel 16? If they aren't going to fix it, they need to have multiple ways to get out to folks who may be running that area. THT has a lot of people on it, but they need public advertising on the radio, tv and newspapers too for those of us who don't listen to 16.

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Yep, I completely agree

Thank you!

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Alright folks, I am sitting in a duck blind searching for redfish because I ran the Hewes aground with my client. Maybe another hour before we can get her off. We have seen one red so far but he was swimming the wrong way. Check out my Instagram or Facebook for the photo and enter the caption contest.

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I made up the duck blind part of my comment before I even saw this hahaha

lol, you unbeached yet?

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Well, what a day. Put in at 8 am. We first hit a good looking flat and immediately saw 3 reds, lazily swimming 20 feet off the bow. Client couldn't put the fly in front of them. Kept going behind. He can cast well, but for some reason it all goes to shit if its 30 feet or under. They spook. We carry on and the tide bottoms out. I decide to hit my best flat in the area the back way which requires running a short creek mouth. Wrong decision. Should have gone allllll the way around the other way. I went right, the channel was left. 25 mph on plane and I left her high and dry on a sand bar. We fought it for 30 minutes before deciding to wait it out. Walked 500 yards plus to a duck blind and I posted up on top of it with the seven weight. Over two hours we saw two redfish swim by, one too far away for a cast, the next very close, but the fly five feet in front of him was ignored twice. Would have been so cool to hook and fight a red from a duck blind. It's my new life goal.

Watched the tide rise 6 inches, walked back to boat and got off. 30 minutes later we were floating it from the good side, with more than enough water already flowing in. Didn't see another red on that flat, or any other spots, including perfect flats, oyster bars and creeks. Dropped Anthony off at 4:30 at the dock after a good but frustrating day and I said fuck it, I'm going exploring on a self researched hunch and headed north.

Rode 20 miles behind Cape Lookout, stopping along some random spots along the way to fish. Holy shit, there couldn't be more grass flats back there, gin clear water, 2-4 feet deep. It is redfish heaven. Finally got to Drum Inlet splitting Portsmouth and Cape Lookout. Fished the last flat and spooked a 28" red that suddenly appeared boatside.

Once the light finally got useless, I spent 40 minutes wandering around the south end of Portsmouth. Drum Inlet looks like it would be a killer drum spot in the fall. On the way out I got stuck, again on the falling tide on the shoals. I huffed and puffed and got her off. Then I noticed the stuck jet ski out in the middle of nowhere on a shoal with two people walking towards me. It was sketchy as hell and I knew I shouldn't have gone over there but I decided I couldn't leave them out there with dusk coming. I worked my way over to them as best as I could tilted and trimmed up, despite the falling tide. They took their time getting to me, clearly not understanding the water situation. Mid 20s BF and GF, he had no clue what tide it was or why he ran out of water underneath his jetski. I asked if they wanted a ride, he said no, his dad was coming to get him in an hour. It was 7:50 and light was fading fast. I asked again and he said no, and asked about the fishing. I told him it sucked, gave him a gatorade and a water, my number in case they got into serious trouble and wished them well and got off the shoal with very little room to spare. Guess it was my good deed for the day. He texted me at 11 p.m. and said they were able to rescue the jetski and make it home. Wow.

20 bone jarring, teeth gnawing and screw loosening miles later into a 14 knot SW wind I made it back to the boat ramp at 9 p.m. Dark.

My eyeballs are still bouncing around in my head. Just ate a pizza and drank one glass of wine and I feel hammered from 13 plus hours on the boat and in the sun. Natalia wants to fish at 6 am tomorrow, I hope I forget to set the alarm and sleep the hell in and dream of duck blind redfish....

Photo link. Thanks for all of the captions, they gave me a good chuckle. We will pick a winner manana.

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Look Hewes Stuck! (saw the pic but I have no social media accounts)

For as much as I've lived near the coast and enjoy fishing, I'm a neophyte when it comes to surf fishing.

But I did go out this a.m. in less than ideal surf conditions and walked the beach for 3 hours, rod in hand. I can get by when the water is clear and relatively calm. But I was flying blind today. When I got home, I thought, there is no point to this if I don't really know how to read the beach. So while this is second nature to several of you, I found these videos on the web (Rich Troxler) to be hugely informative.

https://slaneyfishing.com/probably-best-shore-fishing-tutorial-will-ever...

And if anyone has links to similar/better info, please post. Dog days are pretty tough here; except either night fishing or the beach/surf. And there are 3 nice ones about 15 minutes away. Mrs. Dave goes all the time; I might as well tag a long.

When surf fishing in florida since it was all we could do I found best luck anywhere you had some depth change in the shoreline like a trough or an open ended sandbar or just a slight depression could take it from nothing to a couple fish. I found depth to be key from the surf if you got a good drop off just sit and fish it fishing the shallow flats was rarely the golden ticket.

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I found best luck anywhere you had some depth change in the shoreline like a trough or an open ended sandbar or just a slight depression

Yeah.

My limitation is lack of knowledge and experience in reading the beach/wave action to spot the holes, troughs, and runouts, when water clarity/wind make that difficult to see directly. I found a couple of nice cuts yesterday, but I probably walked past 10 others without knowing it. And the couple I did find, I probably fished exactly backwards.

I'm fortunate to know one of the top handful of surf/offshore fishermen in the area. He's tried to get me into it but for the last year, my knee/calf wanted no part of walking on soft sand. But it has gotten better and if I can get to where I can pedal a bike again, then the possibilities of some quality light tackle surf fishing are very good. Just need to know what I'm looking at when I'm there.

I'm in no way an expert but found it slightly easier to spot changes in rough surf by judging the size of the waves and kind of figured it out that way. I'd also sometimes just cast a bunch as I walk and bites were a good indicator and I'd stop cast some more and if I got more I'd hang tight and keep on and mark it somehow. I prefer good old fashioned common sense and simple stuff not any fancy techno wizardry.

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Dave:
I hope my link to a previous post I did helps. I lived in Brevard County for 22 years and fished there a TON. Lived in Indialantic and fished the beach there and in Satellite Beach a bunch. In the summer I would snorkel the beach reefs there and get them known in my head so when I fished from shore in evenings and winter, I knew what was there. Then the wife and I moved to Grant Farm Island (27.926788, -80.518103) and I fished the Indian River and offshore a bunch. Always fished Sebastian inlet a bunch through all of those years (from jetties and boats).

I realize that Jax Beach area is different, but from what I have seen the Flagler area is somewhat similar in some places with deep troughs close to shore.

Some aspects of those posts should be helpful for you. I hope so.

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I greatly appreciate all of the info and am totally envious of your time in Brevard.

My first redfish was inside the security area at KSC circa 1977 and I've fished Mosquito Lagoon a few times. I actually fished the old mosquito impoundment ditches inside the security area before they were reconnected...great bass fishing.

If you have been to the refuge visitor center, there was (and maybe still is) a huge speckled trout mounted on the wall. Friend of ours (Jim Baker) caught that one. Would have been a line class record but the line didn't test out. MINWR is my favorite refuge, by far, and I worked closely with the managers there from 96 to 2012.

Did that jim baker work for hp and then agilent by chance?

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no. he was the refuge biologist there. eventually was the FWS migratory bird chief in Alaska. died at age 49 of a heart attack while cross country skiing.

This might help (read the full thread and subthread, some good stuff there):

Smitty's FL Surf Fishing Input

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Fished three short hours off of Mobjack Bay today with an old client/good friend from Richmond. We managed several specs up to 18", a handful of croaker and white perch, a teeeny tiny flounder, and 9 redfish. Lost and missed a ton of fish. All on Gulp shrimp 3" pearl with chartreuse tails on 1/4oz gotcha style jig heads, red or chartreuse.
The obvious big deal here was the reds. First I've gotten in two years around here on the docks. They were small fish, from 9" to 14", but were fun on the light tackle and provided a decidedly better pull than the croaker and smaller trout. Hopefully, they'll keep showing up, and be followed by some of their larger brethren and sistren.

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That is awesome. I thought it was possible that the fish breaking off Williams Wharf when I was croaker fishing where reds. It is good to hear they are around!

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French, I saw a spanish 5' in the air up the North river today. Not where you'd expect to see a mackerel. And around one of the two docks we found the little reds, there were fish breaking on minnows that were likely reds. You may have been right. Xing my fingers for more and bigger, but it's nice to break the ice.

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Sounds like things are finally coming to life in the mobjack a little might be time for a sick day from work to go check it out

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Yeah, 'nator, I'd say things are definitely livening up. I got too fixated on cobia there for a bit and need to remember how much fun it is to just dock fish sometimes. Very pleased with the speckled trout showing this year. Seems like a continuation of last year's numbers but with some bigger fish thrown in. So far, so fun.

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Hurray for redfish! Those little ones will be 20" and up next year.

The reports I'm getting of the bulls all over the Bay are the most I've heard in years. Gotta get lucky to catch those, but it's good those fish are around as they will breed here and then we have more reds in the future.

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re: ifish above...sounds like a great day!

Thanks dave, it really was. For three hours, it was perfect from a light tackle, low expectation outing. My buddy then took me out to a local restaurant for lunch. Oysters and mussels and fish tacos with a couple of cold ones. Priceless.

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Good trout bite on dock lights in and around Morehead City. Lots of of 16-17" fat fish. They will hit a few grubs and DOA shrimp and the like, but they are keying small shrimp and minnows. Albie Candies are the ticket!

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Found a decent deal on a 32 inch LED light bar that i may cash in on and make submersible for a dock light got all the components and wire and all just need the lights and compared to what I was going to pay for LED rope light to make my own this deal is way better. Just gotta water tight it and put it in a clear tube I can paint green on the inside or find a big green clear tube for it to go in.

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The plan would be as an underwater green light I'd seal it in some shecdule 40 clear PVC and have it sealed up and weighted to stand up straight. Gonna set it up with a spare low volt power supply and a breaker with a photo cell on top to keep it off in daylight hours. Got piles of scrap waterproof wire to run to the light just gotta get it in there secured and then make that thing air tight and count on the water to keep it temps low enough when it on.
I had thought about doing a just above water light but with neighbors around and the sheer amount of light that it lets out when above water I want to make sure whatever we do is submersible in some way.
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I put that same light on my old duck boat. Its actually pretty sturdy, be curious how it works underwater. Don't forget to use the correct crimpers for waterproof connections. Going through my new boat right now and replacing all of the heatshrink splices that were done with your every day crimp. The heatshrink is pretty useless when your crimper punches a hole in it.

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You're dead on right about the crimping tool punctures in the heatshrink connectors. I have learned to double up on the deal by an old plumber/electrician's trick. I take electrical tape and overwrap the connector well. Then, I take regular blue pvc plumber's glue and swab the tape well. The glue melts the tape and seals anything the heat and glue didn't take care of. I can honestly say I've never had that fail, but I'm sure one will now that I've said that.

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Yeah on my old boat I went with heat shrink connectors with heat shrink tube over them. Worked great...except check that you have a good connection before you double seal everything in.

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Call me ADD but I cant stand using crimp connections or splices and will go way out of the way to have everything run continuously from point a to point b. Hell I dont even bring wirenuts to work on electrical because I want everything clean with no breaks or places where stuff can fault out. That all said boats are a whole nother world in terms of pain to wire.

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Yeah it's a good strategy. With the amount of replacing you do on boat electronics though it is nice to just cut the old pump or whatever out and splice the wires back in.

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Thats where having electricians tools comes in handy I've got the greenlee crimps specially made to get perfect crimps every time so you dont mess up insulation and all. I'm gonna have to see what the lights look like to see how I can wire it but my goal is to avoid and splicing or connections between the light and my power box. I snagged an old nema 4x steel enclosure I can do all my electrical in and mount the photo cell on the top of the box and seal it. Any cables like power and the output power to the light I can do with no external connections other than whatever I use to hook onto the light though I assume it has some m12 type 4 pin connection so its just sealing the enclosure around the light and where the cable passes through in theory.

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can you come to my house and figure out why 2 of my outdoor receptacles and one of my coach lights worked on the walkthrough when the house was built, but have never worked since?

A common issue with outdoor lighting or stuff on exteriors of buildings can be that they get run in some dog legged ways around the place that are impossible to trace once the walls go up expecially if you have brick walls or a small crawl space. Thats why I finally convinced work to buy me a tracer I can use outside of work and its beautiful. Hook it up and chase frequencies around and boom you can find it exactly. The reason I mention that is alot of times I've found exterior stuff gets used in a pinch in rennovations by handymen since they dont want to have to add another circuit so they cut out the home run and use it and leave the outdoor stuff dead. Dunno why but its aggravating. Other very common stuff is to have that stuff short out over time through salt air if the stuffs not sealed corrosion can do all sorts of wonderful things to outdoor stuff.
Have you ever tried an outlet tester on the receptacles. One of the fancier ones can test a couple things, like one of the ones a county inspector would use to find open ground etc. to confirm you do have voltage to it atleast?
Heres a good cheap one that can read more than power.
https://www.amazon.com/Receptacle-Tester-Klein-Tools-RT210/dp/B01AKX8L0M...

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thanks! that tool looks useful

my daughter's BF is an electrician...I'm obviously not leveraging my resources very well.

i need to make it much more apparent that if she wants me to keep taking him fishing, the outlets need to work.

Yup and any questions you have once youve looked into whether its still got power or not let me know I'm always happy to help people with this kind of stuff.

Being an electrician can be a curse at times once family finds out that you do it they start bribing me into stuff in trade for some work. Hell I managed to get my entire kitchen by working for a friend its a curse and a blessing. Definitely sounds like the boy should owe you for the priviledge of dating your daughter though nothing some troubleshooting a circuit wont solve.

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I'm going to redo my trailer lights (again) soon and will try this out. Thanks.

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Here's a good debate question... do the green underwater lights or the regular lights mounted to docks shining down into the water attract more fish?

I've always done better on docks with a good old white light mounted closely to the water shining down into it than on the green underwater ones. I have caught fish on both. If I had a dock on saltwater, I'd have a light, but it would be shining from above. Just my experience.

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I'd do it if we were the only house in the creek it would help pull the bugs away from the house as well. Problem is last time I did that using high powered xmas lights hung just above the high tide water line I got complaints from the neighbors since I was leaving them on all night. I've thought about just simply running small flood lights on the pilings and having them aim down to minimize the light going to the sides but I still feel like I'd have the issue of reflected light causing the neighbors to whine again. Having non fishing neighbors sucks

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Having neighbors can suck, regardless, but you have every right to have lights on, all night long if you desire, and the complaints should be ignored. Christmas lights are always welcome by normal non-asshole folks, unless you go all out to draw a crowd or something, and dock lights are hard to gripe about if they're shining down on the water. I'm as night light avers as anyone, though, so if you were too close to my house and out of line in lighting, I could see myself wandering over for a chat, but sounds like your neighbors are a bit on the pushy side. Fishing lights are definitely best when left on all night, night after night to attract and habituate fish to your structure. I have seen both, caught fish from both, and have no insight as to what's better, but a bunch of the folks I know who live on the water and fish swear by the submerged green light thing. So go for it, but at Christmas, screw those Grinches and string 'em up!

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It doesnt help we had a 30 foot sail boat sunk at the end of out pier for years they used to gripe about unfortunately(why I'm not sure all you could see of it was the mast and that was it it was completely underwater) but theyre picky and I'm not the person to cause issues with people I have to be around a bunch. What I'm thinking if I cant find a cheaper way to rig the lights underwater is to simply turn the lights under the pier to get less reflection out into nothing, still using the light bars but maybe do two or three smaller ones that way and throw some green lenses on them to tune the light amount to a softer color.

Only issue I can forsee is the nest the ospreys have made on our boat lift but I cant imagine they would mind the light.

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Yeah, I know about keeping things cool with the neighbors, but there are some things a person should be able to do on their own property without folks getting their panties in a wad. But I'm not that guy either so I'd probably just tone things down and strike a balance to keep the harmony. But Christmas lights? They are so cool at night on the docks and boats on the water. I say more of 'em, if you please.

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Most people I know run them above water. I know one person that has it underwater and he not only complains about keeping it clean but also making sure people don't hook a fishing lure on it. It's also harder to see when the fish are there.

I have the green light linked above that's pointing down at the water. The fish are there every single night. I haven't had any complaints from the neighbors but mine is rigged under the end of the dock pointing straight down at the water. You can still see it from a ways away but I don't think it's anything glaring that somebody would complain about.

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I was looking at the ones you have and see theyre 50W so I was gonna compare them to see what I've got to compare the lights that they make are about 100W each so I think those will be plenty bright I'll just have to figure out if making the lenses green will mess them up or not, I've decided to go above water and mount them like you have yours configured so theyre tucked and aimed under the pier slightly and away from my neighbors where it shouldnt cause any issues. I'm gonna start with 2 to give them some covered area and see how they work. Looks like 15,000 lumens is wht most people use for underwater stuff so I was thinking 10k lumens should be enough if I've got two of them spread out a bit as well.
Might actually get 4 or 5 of these bad boys instead for 15 a pop its not too bad
https://www.amazon.com/Lightingsky-Lumens-Submersible-Fishing-Underwater...

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the submersibles look great!

They look good enough for the first attempt and if it's successful in the future I'll replace them with better stuff but for now they fit what I need in a 12v lights I can power on batteries and solar so it'll do the job for a budget price.

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Gonna go try to get a fish in this boat tomorrow morning around Charleston. Hit the water pretty early then meet up with a group of people around 9 and take a 55 mile cruise down the ICW to the Beaufort sandbar concert for the day.

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Never heard of said concert but sounds fun as shit. Who is playing?

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Pat Cooper, local country guy that does it every year. Come on down.

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I wish. Guiding tomorrow morning

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Heuplek be like:

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

On every boat I've ever owned the first fish I catch out of it is the dinkiest POS, I'll probably end up hooking a 3" pinfish on a 4" swimbait.

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Not this time, brothah. You got some TKP mojo rainin' down upon ya. Christen it well.

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Still whipped from my flight. I am taking this weekend off the water. You cats catch them up.

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Just wanted to thank you guys who chimed in on the last fishing thread about Craigslist. I followed the advice and got the camper listed in the big three metropolitan areas nearest me. I had to wade through several scammers and spammers to get a real bite, and had to play her perfectly, but was able to sell it yesterday for nearly the price I asked. Appreciate the tips, it was the second listing that did the trick.

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Well all my plans crumbled this weekend and I managed to not get out on the water at all...now been 3 months since I got a line wet

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Seems like you're in dire need of an intervention.

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Stop being a responsible nerd and go fishing!

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Selfie?

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Yes you've met me!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Fished HARD today. 11 hours. Hit the flat perfectly tide wise this am. Saw 4 nice redfish and had shots at 2 of them. One on a stingray, meaning he was hungry. The client put the fly there and the fish just didn't eat it. I'm guessing it never saw it. Don't know why, but this has been an issue for my clients lately. Maybe I need to go back to all gold flies, they aren't seeing the natural colors? Weird. He should have had that fish and deserved it too. I don't use that word often. Clouds drove us off the flat too early unfortunately.

Made the run to the hook to see if we could go fish the jetties. 5 knot wind out the south pushed just enough waves to make it very uncomfortable. Went back inside where everyone and their brother were boating. We hit some structure that always holds fish. Lots of bait, no takers. I look around the corner and see two sharks swimming down a bank with their backs out of the water. We manuever over and client gets ready to cast..... holy shit, they aren't sharks, they are MONSTER black drum. Had to be 40 pounders. Puts the clouser in their faces, they both ignore it. Fuuuuckkk.

The tide bottomed out seriously. Never seen it this low. Chart showed a slight negative tide, I bet it was over a foot negative. We couldn't get up on the flats to fish for reds and my trout holes had no water. Dicked around a bit and tried to find a few deeper flats. Nada. Headed back north and ran into some diving birds. Turned out to be a school of giant houndfish. Client put the fly on them, they would follow and swipe, yet never eat. So frustrating. Hit Drum Inlet looking for blues and spanish. Finally got one small blue on a spoon. Back to the redfish flat, had to wait forty minutes for the water to arrive. It finally did but the sun was setting quick. We poled it for an hour, saw three reds but they all spooked.

Ate dinner and discussed night time trout fishing but I am absolutely whooped. Super cool client, want to take him again.

Back at it again tomorrow morning with two more clients. Have got to get one of these reds in the boat. It takes time and effort but so rewarding to find flats that hold them without the assistance from locals or stealing info of where the fish are.

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Thanks for the report. Your day sounded like my year!

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Went and visited family in PA and got out for a piddle on the Juniata River to see what its all about and man we had a blast. First time out in months and it felt so good, didnt catch a boat load but we caught plenty of nice 13-16 inch smallmouths to keep up busy and with the hot weather they were out and feeding like mad. Plenty of tube and senko action and lots of eats in your face. Caught one 18 inch smallie on the cicada bug flyguy tied me after he whiffed on my senko, still dunno how I missed that hook set but glad to have gotten the rise out of him on the cicada bug, the bug bites not quite there but theyre looking up atleast. Caught a few more risers on the cicada in the rapids and some very ambitous bream who were smaller than my fly reel.

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Glad that fly is workin!

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Those flies are tanks I've been rotating them all to keep them fresher and that ones been my usual go-to and hardly looks it fooled a big one yesterday and hopefully will fool some more in a few weeks on the James and new. The big guy yesterday was all of 18 inches and towed me around for a while till my fiance could net it he beat it up big time but the fly is still going strong.

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Thats awesome to hear that they are holding up so well. I'm eager to see how long the legs last.

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All of them still have legs intact completely the one I use alot is showing some wear on the lips but the rest is fine it has some scratches from the bigger fish so theyll be used heavily for the rest of the summer, had good luck finding them in rapids this past weekend hoping to take that and start using that more.

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Went out for grouper out of Wilmington on Sunday. Unfortunately we didn't catch any grouper. Drifting ledges in 100 feet of water. We caught a few kings (in the 10 lb range), amberjack, black sea bass, grunts, a cobia and too many damn small sharks. We were mostly fishing metal jigs and one guy was fishing live pinfish. Maybe missed one grouper on live bait. Wind and current were opposite of each other but not sure if that's why fishing was slow or another reason. Good group of fisherman, I learned a good bit and will be able to use it for next trip in the fall which will be for big AJ and Blackfin Tuna.

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Back breaking fun! Going to shell out and get a nice coventional speed jigging setup

My buddies Jake, Curtis, and Jack got a triple header of cobia on a big carpet ray off Avalon Pier today. Those are the moments you live for as a pier/surf angler.

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I swear Jake wears them out down there!

They put in their time in on the rail that's for sure. That is pretty sweet to get all 3 of them to eat

Long report short.

Slick cam at the Cape today. One of the calmest days I've ever seen. Only two reds on the flat this am. They spooked quickly. Water wasn't there. Tried a second flat. Nada.

Rode to the 285 reef 3-4 miles offshore. In my flats boat. Got some strange looks from the bigger boats out there. Pair of 25" cobia randomly show up within two minutes. Clients both hook each one on fly. Few minute fight, I get the smaller one in the boat, the bigger one pops the leader as I'm trying to grab him. I see why a net is useful with them. Also caught a black sea bass on fly and a 5 pound great trout on a jig, in 70 feet of water????

Bluefish on the jetty to end the day.

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Off tomorrow, searching for a few fish in the am and then driving home to Richmond. Guiding all day Thursday - two trips. I am tired just thinking about it.

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Those big grey trout are all long the ARs. I have heard them catching 7+ lb grey trout off of 315. Was the black sea bass near the surface?

Interesting and good to know. Nope, he was on the bottom

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It's more of a spring/fall bite as I understand for the big ones. Grey trout move in before the flounder get more on the beaches.

Fished four solid hours all across really good looking flats with a tide that stayed up on the grass when it wasn't supposed to. Saw a 7 foot shark and a 5 footer come up on the bottom of the flat and appear to eat something and then leave. Didn't see a single fish or sting ray on over a mile of water. Weird, considering they have been on it in good numbers the past 10 days. Finally, a dead redfish about 28-29" floats by.... super weird. I pack up and start heading back south to the ramp when I notice the local commercial guy in the channel pulling in his gill nets stretched across the water for a couple hundred yards right on the edge of the grass flat. Pelicans are having a field day with the dead bycatch he is tossing overboard. Fucking infuriating. There's already numerous pound nets stretched across this area. North Carolina and Virginia have got to get their shit together with regards to gill and pound nets. It is an insane waste of marine life. At the boat ramp I express my frustration to an older local who lives on Harkers. He agrees with me something must be done but says the commercial guys down there would take the last pregnant female of a species if they could make a buck off of it. Ridiculously sad. To top it off, some other dickhead dumped his entire ashtray on the boat ramp. I picked up a pile of 34 cigarette butts and other garbage in front of two other locals who just stood there and watched. I hope the guy who dumped the ash tray out is dead soon and I won't ever feel any type of remorse for anything that comes his way. Totally unacceptable. I'm not a member of the CCA but I'm about to join after seeing that nonsense today. Very frustrating end to a good guiding and scouting trip down at Cape Lookout. End rant, sorry

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I have seen three egregious netting incidents in my life, complete with absurd numbers of dead and dying bycatch, and all three were in North Carolina.

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There is a middle ground between what they do and what CCA wants, and after CCA in NC deliberately fucked the recreational community by supporting the cobia ban that was proven to be unjustified, and now supporting the size limit on spot and mullet (which if it passes the NC Senate and the governor's desk, that means no more drum fishing because you can't cut up a bait fish), CCA in North Carolina can sit on a rusty farm tool. They only want to protect recreational fishing if it is recreational fishing for the guys who own $100,000 center consoles in Raleigh. They have lied to me repeated and blatantly pushed for limited access for recreational anglers behind the scenes. They don't deserve a nickel.

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Sadly, this is how many public trust issues play out. I presume someone has primed the appropriate State Senate staff with some common sense amendments...like requiring submission of management/implementation plans for certain sustainability targets from the appropriate state agency(ies) by date certain.

I feel for you with regards to the cobia and big drum as I know they are your fishing priorities. I'd love to sit down over a few beers and hear your side on the CCA North Carolina. I am not one to sign up or fund a group that lies to it's members. Hell, I feel disrespected by VT and the Hokie Club and they aren't getting any of my $$$.

The waste needs to stop. That's what I want to help fix. It's unacceptable and it starts with the commercial guys with gill nets and pound nets. (Omega too, but we agree on that.) I have not delved into the croaker and mullet proposed regs but have heard it could really hurt the shrimping industry. I have followed those boats around and the bycatch they produce daily is flat out astounding. Tons if 3-5" juvenile fish of all manner of species. I assume this is part of it.

Probably a dumb question that may annoy you, can you not fish with quartered crabs and / or bunker for big drum? If I fish for the Bulls, it is with bunker if I can. Crab and of course cut mullet being the second options.

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Crabs- yes as far as being legal. However, being effective, especially with pickers around, is just about impossible. We use the heads of spot, sea mullet, cobbs, and bluefish because they are hardy on the hook. You can get away with about a 20-25 minute soak when the pickers are not bad with a head, so on average you need about 20 baits to get a decent day in. Most of the guys use cast netted cobb mullet heads or they hang out at the cleaning station and get the spot heads from people who are cleaning their catch. I enjoy catching bluefish and spot, so if blues are thick, I catch my 15 blues (usually in the lights before the sun rises) and use the heads. I save the bodies to use as chunk baits if things get desperate. I will then supplement them with some spot.

I am not sure about menhaden. The statement of the law's goal is "to require the addition of a minimum size limit for every species that has contributed historically and significantly to the the fisheries of the state, including six specified species." Menhaden is not one of the six, but this language certainly has enough vagueness that menhaden would be included. The species that are specifically called out are spot, croaker, sea mullet, bluefish, southern flounder, and bait mullet (called "striped mullet" in the legislation.) Because of the size limit, you must be in possession of the fish in it's complete natural state (ie you can't cut it up) and it has to be over the size limit to be legal.

The impact:
1) No more use of spot, croaker, sea mullet, or bluefish heads as drum bait.
2) Incredible pressure on law enforcement, who will now be required to measure incredible numbers of fish because of the high catch species totals like spot and croaker. If people do release undersized fish, you can expect a very high release mortality rate.
3) The size limit restriction will significantly dampen fall pier business in NC.

If they were concerned about the panfish biomass, they could easily put a daily creel limit, which is also much easier to enforce. There is a limit of 15 bluefish per day. This isn't about protection of the fisheries. It is simply about restricting access and driving a catch and release ethos down the throats of fishermen.
4) The bait mullet means you can't buy cobbs to use as bait either.

The only real viable drum bait besides these options is tuna belly. Good luck getting your hands on that unless you have a big time hook up.

The shrimp net issue is a different conversation and shouldn't be part of this bill. But, DOW and CCA-NC pushed for them to be together. And here we are.

Regarding cobia, I spent hours speaking with the VP of CCA-NC at the time, Todd Hammel. I was concerned because they were not actively opposing the proposed closure even though they were still having a harvest driven cobia tournament that year. Mr. Hammel assured me, in writing, that "if we believed for one second that the cobia biomass was threatened, we would cancel the tournament." A week later, conveniently after NCMFC indicated that a closure would trigger after their tournament, David Snead was on the record and supported the closure, saying that NC should err on the side of caution. I was absolutely livid, and Mr. Hammel directly contradicted everything he said the prior week, despite a mountain of data showing the irregularities in the data collection processes and the insanely high variability.

Fortunately for us, we had enough evidence that we shamed Virginia and North Carolina into not complying with the federal closure. The misdeeds of the South Atlantic Council became more evident through continued discovery (manipulation of data, deliberately ignoring genetic and catch data and feedback from VIMS on spawning behavior is the SEDAR28 that gerrymandered management zones, huge statistical outliers in the catch estimates which didn't align with any data from the past decade- I am talking outliers which would get quality control engineers fired in any other industry. Congress listened (members of both parties- Mark Warner and Rob Wittman were huge in helping us) and the state councils followed suit. Yet, CCA, the voice of the recreational fishermen, didn't advocate, didn't post an info sheet, didn't ask for member feedback. Their president (Chris Elkins) went into multiple social media and public forums and deliberately lied about CCA-NC supporting the closure EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PART OF THE DAMN MEETING MINUTES.

(For what it is worth, I have a multitude of screenshots of Hammel's BS regarding the cobia, and Elkins also lying in the same forums claiming there was no proposed recreational size limit on panfish. Then when I showed it was in the NCMFC minutes, he sent me a DM asking me to call him and he would "explain" his error. I told him he could put his explanation in writing, so it would be publicly transparent, and this piece of fucking worthless shit claimed he was confused because his grandchildren were distracting him.

CCA North Carolina is garbage. Period. There is no end that justifies their means.

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Here's the out...

"This subdivision shall not apply if the Fisheries Director determines that the species under consideration has a unique life cycle and maturity characteristic that makes the minimum size limit required by this subdivision inappropriate based on generally accepted fishery management protocols. If the Fisheries Director determines that the minimum size limit required by this subdivision is inappropriate, the Fisheries Director shall instead propose slot limits to protect the adult spawning stock."

They could, for example, adopt some of Florida's rules, or similar.

The language gives plenty of room to do right...or as you fear, f*** up.

edit: one other note. it seems their target (which I still think may be high) is for 75% of breeding age fish to spawn; not 75% of all fish hatched out. but they have room to modify that without a legislative fix...basically it's 75% unless you show otherwise.

We all have our triggers when it comes to where we fish and mine is when people come and keep a pile of large smallmouth to eat when there are piles of bream to go after as well nothing ruins my day seeing a 17 inch plus fish on a stringer. Bykill from gill nets is absurd in my opinion and its sad to see the waste commercial fishing creates at times. Thats why I've always been infatuated with aquaculture and other ways to try and farm seafood to avoid having to do as much commercial fishing in the wild waters but the odds of these people dropping the gill nets for tanks and high tech stuff are so small it hurts to think about.

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Some folks from Kaintuck used to come and camp on the New River. They had holding cages they placed after dark, then they stayed several days with three or four boatloads of fishermen, bringing everything they caught back in livewells, then filling the cages after dark. They did this year after year until someone finally saw and reported them. They were caught with well over 100 smallmouth, ticketed, and then went away, never to return or pay the tickets. They would take the fish back, buy a keg, fry them up and sell tickets to their New River Fish Fry.
Couple of years later, here comes another bunch, also from Kentucky, and they tried to pull the same crap but got caught early on because the game wardens were onto them and were starting to check out anybody from Kentucky (license plates) who was around the New. I've seen 20+" smallmouth on stringers, destined for the fryer, but can't do a thing about legal harvest. And yes, smallmouth are delicious table fare, though I quit eating them a couple of decades before I made them my employees.

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I'm all for responsible harvesting, being from a logging family I get bad looks and all the stuff that comes along with cutting down trees for a living. But theres a large distance between being responsible and giving zero shits about the enviroment that provides you with a lively hood. In Flyguys case he has to be able to find fish for clients to provide an income and to see the commercial guys doing what they do wasting as much life as they do typically would be infuriating to him and to me I get it because I personally value stuff like having a place to fish or just relax. Unfortunately big dollars will continue to drive regulation and not allow things that are archaic to continue to be legal to do regardless of the effect on the surrounding life.

As for the smallmouth that crap wouldve had me ready to go john wayne on the camp if I had seen something like that going on, unfortuntely we aint in the wild wild west no more. In my mind its a real shame more people dont get raised properly in the outdoors and get taught the real value of life and the environment around us so future generations dont continue to waste something as golden as the planet we once had. The amount of trash I pull out of the rivers sickens me to the core that people can just chuck shit into the woods or the water so carelessly is just pure laziness and its sad.

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What is CCA?

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Coastal Conservation Association. Its a grass roots association that's supposed to protect coastal marine life with sensible fishing regulation aimed to help recreational fisherman have a voice. The issue is that from chapter to chapter their agendas seem to be wildly different.

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The issue is that from chapter to chapter their agendas seem to be wildly different.

Well said.

But for GCCA, there would be no recreational fishery for redfish in vast areas of the US Gulf Coast. CCA in Florida was typically toward the center on most landscape-level issues; French's experience with CCA on Cobia, apparently not so much.

In government, I found that sometimes we could work with an organization locally but not nationally...and vice-versa.

In terms of nets, the mid-90s constitutional ban on gill nets in Florida cut the mullet harvest in half, but that harvest still fills the demand for whole mullet. Finding politically appointed Commissioners with the spine to make tough decisions is rare...they will almost always give in to locals. That's why it took a state-wide vote to get it. And even with its success, left to their own devices, the majority of FWC Commissioners would undo it tomorrow.

Agreed. CCA Maryland does a wonderful job. CCA-NC however has actively tried to reduce access for the average fisherman and blatantly lies to their own members about their activities. The screen shots I have of our email conversations with regards to cobia management are obscene.

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Thanks Ill check it out!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

That's the good and the bad of local politics, isn't it? Small enough to be influenceable, but also small enough for the loudest and pushiest people to be overrepresented.

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Yup. I've told most of the local officials I've met that they have the worst job I can think of.

Looking for a suggestion. I've got a Daiwa Saltist 20HA level wind conventional reel that I used to use for musky. Want to repurpose it onto a saltwater conventional rod. Likely going to be a nearshore wreck set up; drum, shark, kingfish, jacks. Mostly going to be dropping live bait but want to still be able to pitch and cast live bait towards jetty holes I'm guessing I'll probably lose the ability to cast larger plugs with it but if I can keep that ability I'll take it.

Any suggestions on rods. I'm usually pretty partial to Penn and Daiwa stuff

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Price range is a factor. For me, the best light tackle (15-30 pound class) rod product that is reasonably prices is the Shimano Teramar ($120 range.) I have only used their spinning rods though.

If you want to go higher end, the Lamiglass TFX rods are $250 and have the old school cork grip handles that I love. Also, Cape Henry Custom Rods sells basic build Vega Sniper rods for $150. I have a spinning version for throwing cobia bucktails and I love it.

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Under $150. I've used the teramar spinning for tarpon I did enjoy that rod.

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If you like the Shimano FK Stradic spinning reels, J&H Tackle is selling them for $135. The new FL Stradic's were just released so there will be lots of close out deals.

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Thanks for the heads up French! Tempting deal

Here is the link in case people aren't familiar with J&H.

https://www.jandh.com/products/shimano-stradic-fk-spinning-reels.html

Cabelas has them marked down to $149, and TackleDirect hasn't dropped the price yet. This looks like the best deal right now. I'd bet you can get them cheap at Greentop in a few months, but when they run out, they run out. I am still kicking myself for not buying a Terez Waxwing rod at Greentop when they were selling the Waxwings for peanuts a few years ago.

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ANd J&H is showing them as sold out. Oof

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plucked one off of ebay

thanks!

I am eyeing that Penn Fathom 2 casting special that debuted at iCast. Looks pretty sweet

It does. But, man it is expensive. $100 more than the Squall... ouch!

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Yep, the other outcome is that the original fathom goes on sale for 150ish. Which I would definitely buy one then.

Fished the Piankatank this evening with 3 clients from St. Louis. At 5 p.m., water was 93 degrees in Stampers Bay. 89 at Guynns. 88 at Cherry Point. 86 at Stingray. We caught one fish at Cherry Point before storms drove us off the water before we got to fish docklights.

Day off tomorrow. Much needed catching up while sitting in the air conditioning!

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Looks like I'm going to run up to PA again to fish the Susquehanna in september, were going to attempt a DIY float and see if we can figure it out. Any advice on it would be appreciated since this is a new system in a newer state, was planning on working on my finesse fishing with the river being as big as it is. Also heard spinner baits are huge on it but I rarely if ever fish them so any thoughts on that would be welcome as well. Gonna be targeting the bronze footballs but if anyone knows of what else to target I'll be all ears.

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I have chimed in about the Susquehanna before, super smallmouth river. Spinnerbaits are often effective in muddy or stained water, but I tore them up with my specially rigged Senkos, showing up our guide to his chagrin. Before going, it wouldn't hurt to stop by the Riverside Campground in Duncannon and have a talk with Johnny Cunningham, or give him a call. He's pretty dialed in to what's going on out there. Yes, the river is huge, but it fishes just like the New. You'll not be able to fish the whole thing, so just try to suss out the pattern of the day and look for that water, no different, really, but the fish...the fish are definitely different. There are some muskies in the system, and I even caught a 5 lb channel cat on my Senko rig. Walleye round out the possibilities as well, and some nice ones are caught often enough to be hoping for them. The smallmouth, though, are absolutely different with that northern heft that makes them stouter and more muscular than our Va. smallmouth. Good luck.

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Meant to tell you last weekend I fished some floating senkos that spun like your rig and the fish loved them on the fall and if not then theyd grab them on the retrieve. It was somewhat unintentional we were using the TRD Zman ned baits and the worms if put on slightly crooked would cause the bait to twist a lot but it seemed to work so we just went with it. Starting to really love Zman baits their baits are tough as nails and well worth the money. I'll look in to the recommendation, gonna hit the new in august then the susky in september. We have a few stretches picked out and will spend the next few weeks widdling them down. Gonna look into swimbaits as I read alot of stuff about the swimbaits being big in the early fall with the big minnows around.

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The twist is what does it, and we never weighted the worms unless trying to fish a 10' hole or something (rare), but the thing is, that twist will flat out screw up your line, the reason for the swivel and fluoro leader. Even with a swivel, sometimes the line gets so twisted you have to cut off the rig and play a bunch of line out into the current for it to untwist, but using better ball bearing swivels and keeping the moss and algae off of it seemed to cure the problem for the most part.
When fishing my rig, usually the fish follow up on the raise of the rod, then hit on the line recovering drop of the rod. It was always a chore to get my clients to keep slight tension on the line when recovering so as to feel or see the fish hit. They'd just get lazy and drop the rod, loosening the line, then were surprised when there was a fish on the other end with the sinking worm halfway down its throat. I'm telling you right now, the fish up in PA do not know this bait at all, and I flat out murdelated them on it when I went. The first day there, we fished muddy water and the guide had us use spinnerbaits which were a little successful, but the next day we hit clear water and I was hooked up all day. Guide had some sinking worms, I had brought a handful of pre-tied rigs just in case, and was happy I did.

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I'll probably give them a more serious go on the New to try them if I cant fly fish as much if the winds bad to try and get my twist on it then go with it on the susquehanna if I figure it out. I'll try and get down to the mobjack before then so you can show me it properly done so I get it right, that said the Zman worms are awesome so maybe I can figure out a rig with them because they were great and when youre able to do 40 fish and not need to swap a bait its nice. I'm going to look into some good spinnerbaits since its something I just dont use on the James even in ponds I dont use them unless I'm solely going for pike in the winter.

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Spinnerbaits are good to have in the box. There are times when they're absolutely killer to have on, and for me that was certain days in early spring on the New when the water was colored up. Normally, that would be a jig day, but we always gave the spinnerbaits a good half hour or so just in case it was one of those times. Caught some big smallmouth and saw a couple of really hefty walleye caught on them as well up above Claytor. Not to mention muskies. I had a client who lived for that, and he was the best I've ever seen casting and fishing spinnerbaits. Pro quality angler anyway, unbelievable caster, and the most intense fisherman I've ever met. It was a joy to row for him, especially because he always came alone so I only had the front of the raft to worry about and I was able to do some creative rowing to put him in the right places to optimally fish the eddies. Those were the best of days guiding.

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Found a good company who does spinners for the susquehanna specifically I may grab two just to have in case but I'm gonna stick to soft plastics or lipless cranks probably but we shall see I'm new to the swimbait game as well. As always lots to learn and such little time to use it all.

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I never have luck with senkos. What is this rig you speak of?

email me and I'll 'splain it to you. newriverangler at hotmail.com. It's not something you're likely to run into on your own, and I can tell you that I had thousands of smallmouth over my guiding years fall prey to the rig. I have decided to pass it along now that I'm retired.

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It's legit. Trust me. But to get back to basics, a Texas or wacky rigged senko will catch fish anywhere. Let it fall weightless.

They do work, that's a fact. I first started fishing that type of lure when the original Sluggo came out and had some really good days with them before they became popular and stopped working as well. Then it was Flukes, and then Senkos Texas rigged, then other companies came up with their own sinking worms. I believe for the money and colors, it's hard to beat Yum Dingers, and while the myriad of colors can confuse, in clear water I'd go for a green pumpkin with red or purple flakes. The big trouble with my particular rigging is that it will attract any and all smallmouth (or redeyes) in the area, big or small, and since smaller fish tend to be more aggressive, sometimes you can think it's not a big fish bait, but I have the pictures to prove otherwise.

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Actually getting some salt therapy this weekend. Got a half day in Charleston planned gonna try to muster up some reds out of the Stono. Bringing the fly rod I still haven't used but winds look like they're going to pick up early so that will probably be short lived.

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Just got back from skunk city. Water was super muddy didn't think much of it with the wind and tides figured clarity wouldn't be great. Found out on the way back to the ramp why. They're currently dredging....probably should have read up on that before the trip.

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Headed to Palm Coast 7/25. God I can't wait. I need a damn vacation more than usual. And I usually need one pretty bad...

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Just got signed up to fish the Nags Head Surf Tournament in October. I half assed filled in once in a Claytor Lake bass tournament which we sucked at, but otherwise is my first tourney. I'll be begging for advice as the dates near.

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Bowfin fishing is on fire with this heat. We landed some really quality fish today, yet the tip amount was a whopping donut. So frustrating. Client's 20 year old son told me to make a few casts while he drank some water. I declined. He insisted. I told him if I did, I would give him five casts, but that I would catch a big fish. He told me to cast. On the 5th cast, 6-7 pound largemouth eats the fly and I land it. I hate doing that.

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No tip?!? Really? That's incredibly rude. Not to mention after a great catching day. Was this their first guided trip? Does that inexperience/ignorance even mean anything? Honestly asking, only been guided a few times, but figured that tipping was understood.

Agree. I can't imagine not tipping.

It's funny how big an issue tipping is to most guides, though they'll seldom really talk much about it. Guided trips aren't cheap, but neither is running a guiding business. I got stiffed a few times in my career and never forgot those clients, though they tended not to return anyway. I found it was usually ignorance since almost all of my clients and I got along well and I didn't have many really bad days of fishing when guiding, but occasionally it just seemed to come out of nowhere. I once had a lady give me a $10 bill as a tip, then ask for $5 back. I said I didn't have it, and I didn't, and she wanted the $10 back. I gave it back and said ten bucks wasn't a tip, but it was close to an insult. She didn't get the reference, but her young son did, and he took the ten from mom and gave it back to me with a sheepish grin. They'd had a good day, too. When I first started guiding, I worked for an outfitter for a couple of seasons and more than a couple of times got more in tips than I earned rowing. Once, I got a hundred dollar tip just because I had a roll of toilet paper in my kit. I had poor folk overtip and rich folk undertip...it was an interesting part of the whole job. I also did what flyguy did and caught the biggest fish of the day on one of the handful of casts I would make either trying a different bait out, or showing the clients what I needed them to do with a bait, or just showing them nuances of retrieves, etc., and once a client at the end of the day complained about it and didn't tip. I had made three casts that day, the first to show them how to use the bait and I got a 19" fish out of about a foot of water on that first cast of the day. Sometimes, you just can't win. Finally, toward the end of my career, I got my prices up high enough that missing a tip wasn't the bite it had been, but by then it seemed like most of my clients were return visitors and tipped pretty well, in general.
But, for all you out there who haven't taken a guided trip, tipping is pretty much expected, if earned, and is the absolute best way to assure you of the guide's full attention for your next trip. While the tips were usually better when the day went well, fish-wise, even the best of guide's can't make them bite when they won't cooperate, and it is more the effort put forth to help you maximize the day you have that deserves the tip. Did I work it? You bet. My lunches were outstanding, my boat was the top of the line and always clean. Always. I had all the baits, whether we used them or not, and if nothing was working well, I was pretty entertaining, if I say so myself. I read the newspaper every morning before a trip so I could discuss the issues of the day, I kept up with trends in the lure industry, and I paid attention to my clients. I only mailed it in a couple of times when I was ill or the two or three times the clients were just shitty people and I honestly didn't ever want to see them again, anyway. Fortunately, those folks were few and far between. Most guiding is tough work, but on the New, add in the fact that you have two ten foot oars in hand all day long, pulling against the current all day along with trying to keep your clients fishing, hangups, line tangles, etc. So, tip 'em, folks.

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Similarly with a local band. If we're playing well enough to keep you hanging around, put something the jar so we can take the spouse/S.O. out to dinner after they've put up with all of the evenings and weekends lost, the same song practiced over and over and over, and all the expensive gear lying around.

And having done that too, I agree with you on paying musicians. Strings and harmonicas cost me money and it used to be a bitch leaving owing more than you made for an evening's work...and it is work no matter how much fun it is to play out and do it right.

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most of the folks that come and listen are great and make it very worthwhile...the fun of playing good music with friends for people who like it is why we do it...it's a blast

but then there is the occasional..."how can y'all call yourselves an 80's band and not do any Skynrd?" Well...

The only band I ever played in that played any Skynrd was the last band I played in and the only one that I can actually say made money playing. We also played Rocky Top and NO...I will stop now. We never practiced, worked as much as we wanted to, easy gigs that I could've sleepwalked through, go home with 75 to 150 bucks cash every night. Got old quick, but for a while, it was an easy way to get my fix. It certainly was more fun when I was playing good music with good friends for people who like it, though. It was a blast for certain.

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My first trip with this client and I'll seriously question taking him and his son again with the no tip. He had taken several fly fishing (Escatawba farms) and spin charter trips before, according to him and was going again soon in Nantucket. It surely wasn't for a lack of funds based on the BMW, his job selling software, him about to buy a beach house, etc... What really pisses me off about this trip is they originally booked a saltwater trip and really wanted to do that. I told them the water temps were not conducive to saltwater fishing success right now. I suggested they do this trip because bowfin fishing is good in hot weather. I gave them all of the info and told them what I would do myself if I had the day off, which was go fishing for bowfin, and then I let them make the decision. My knowledge and suggestion to them proved correct.

This was a referral from another guide, who I agreed I would give a referral fee to so the extra cost out of my pocket hurts. I kept them on the water for extra time which is something I do pretty often based on how everything is going. Maybe I did something to piss them off, I don't know. I am a very opinioned person and when people ask about something, I tell them my thoughts, fishing related or not. I can tell when it rubs someone the wrong way. With these two, that didn't seem to happen. I worked hard, I had the right flies, the right gear and I instructed them on casting and a variety of other things fishing related. The son said it was his biggest fish on fly by far. He was stoked and thanked me multiple times. The bowfin the dad caught was sight cast to and I coached him through every detail of the process.

Tipping is very well known unless the client is just completely clueless or a complete dick.

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I've been undertipped by repeat customers before when I know for a fact they had a good time/day, but that was just stinginess, and the fact that they were doing multiple days and also staying in my rental cottage, so I made out ok in the long run, but I still remember those folks.
As for what you did/didn't do, who the hell knows? Like you, and most fishing guides I know, I am an opinionated fellow and I never hesitated to speak that opinion when called upon. This absolutely caused problems a few times, with regard to politics and religion to be specific, but I never kissed ass or toned down the way I truly felt for a tip, and nothing was out of bounds for conversation in my boat. Twice, I had grown men blubbering like babies when the conversation turned personal, and a couple of times I had people just shut down because they didn't like my take on the above mentioned topics, and I'll admit that toward the end of my career, I got even saltier about listening to idiotic defenses of things I felt were indefensible. Also, just because I'm a lifelong outdoorsman, many folks made assumptions about my politics that were totally wrong, and I was never shy about straightening them out on my stances, but usually we agreed to disagree and in many cases, the conversation solidified our relationship and those folks still came back. I honestly don't know what things would be like these days were I still guiding, but I am really glad not to have to find out.

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I go on a fair amount of guided trips so I would be interested to get your opinion on this - bias or not. What should a person tip and what factors do you think people should consider? Is it a percentage? What if you catch no fish, or a few fish? What if it's the best day of fishing you've ever had? What if the guide didn't do much but you still had a great day? What if there is just one person versus multiple people? Obviously a lot to factor but I always want to be considerate while also not overpaying for a service that I already shell out a ton of money for.

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Glad you asked, but I answer only for myself, but...
I think you go into it with tip in pocket. The guide should earn the tip, but a competent job should earn a modest tip, with things escalating from there. If the guide goes all out, and you'll know this, then consider your upper end. When I started, I was getting $350 a trip. To me, 40-80 was good enough. I eventually upped my prices and times changed and 15-20% became the norm. I expected a tip, but learned not to worry about it if I did a good job and the tip wasn't all that. People come from different circumstances. As for best day, worst day, remember that the guide can only control but so much. If guide gives it the best try, busts ass and makes no excuses, then a moderate tip is still a good idea. Sometimes things just don't work out. Split the tip if there are multiples and if it is the best day you've ever had and you know the guide was a good part of that, then yeah, tip the hell out of him and give him a big hug. If, however, you know the guide did the minimum and things still went great, I'd stay in the middle. Just me, though, and I'll think about this more.

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Guess I'm crazy but if the guides put alot into it regardless of catch amount if they try hard enough I always tip atleast $100 is the trips all day and around $400 for a day I have no issue tipping that amount because fishing is fishing not catching and they put their necks on the line to try and deliver and sometimes it just doesnt happen but thats fishing. People who dont tip for whatever reason suck, I can understand if the service provided is trash but I've done piles of guided trips and I've not once had a bad experience. If youre too cheap to tip dont get a guide and do it yourself those guys work for tips and its a shitty thing to do. 20% is a good standard especially if you want to do a return trip.

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Personally I hate the fact that tipping is expected. I hate tipping wait staff, I hate tipping people pulling golf bags out of the car, and I hate tipping fishing guides. *I do tip all of these people* so don't everyone go crazy on me, but the fact that people get a tip on top of a standard payment just for doing their job I think is crazy. I would much rather have that tip baked in and then tip only if they do an extraordinary job.

With that being said, a percentage is difficult for me. I just went on a guided fly fishing float trip where there could have been two people on the boat but instead it was just me. Should the guide get the same tip even though there was one person and not two? I also had very few issues, I unknotted the few knots that I got myself, I got the flies off of any trees/leaves/etc. that I got hung up on, and I was the one making suggestions on what rod/technique we should switch to. What percentage or amount should I have tipped? This was a full 8 hour float trip.

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Touchy subject. I used to feel the same way, just charge more, pay your employees a living wage and we'll all be more happy, but the fact is, waiters, bartenders, etc. do not get paid a living wage, a codified legal screwing that only tips can help with at this point. As for guides, yeah, a guided trip costs a lot of money, but you must consider the overhead involved with towing vehicles, boats, trailers, shuttles, rods, reels, baits of all sorts, insurances, launch fees, in my case a really good lunch, bottles of water, ice, gasoline...it just goes on and on. My tips usually helped defray incidental costs like busted rods and lost baits, last minute cancellations, etc.
As for your particular situation, I can't help you with that since I wasn't privy to the trip, but if I charged one person full price for the trip, and I did, I didn't expect the same tip as two folks would give since the day was going to be easier for me anyway, but I would also pay a lot of attention to that one client. $50-$60 would be sufficient for me in that situation, and most tipped more, but all guides are different and while I didn't forget a bad tip, I didn't blacklist someone unless they were serious assholes (and there were a few over the years, but not many), but like I've said before, those folks don't usually call back anyway.

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I hear ya, it's a weird thing.

You know what I hate? Clients that don't want to pay full price because they aren't going to fish or aren't going to fish very much. You take up a spot on the boat, you're being charged for it.

I find that I get tipped less overall when it is more clients.

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Being a guide and having been in the service industry for most of my adult career, I generally always tip 10-20% for whatever I'm at, meal, bar, etc. The only time I won't is if the person is a straight up asshole or the service was poor. Even so, I could probably count on my hand the amount of times I've tipped zero and it has always been for just a complete jackass of a bartender or a really, really bad experience.

The way I see it, if you go to a restaurant and have a good or great meal, the service is very good or excellent, the server is nice and does a great job, you'll tip them 20%, right? How much time did you spend with that server? Maybe a couple minutes total. With guiding, I'm on the boat, trying to teach an angler how to cast, how to fish, about the local water, what fish here do, what fish on the other side of the world do, as well as talk about everything else in life. I'm a legit therapist sometimes. Its anywhere from 5-10 hours of straight customer service and engagement and it is so mentally draining. I understand that the server make most of their $$$ off of tips and that's how they survive, but running a guide business comes with so much overhead. I also show up with a very expensive boat, truck, equipment and gear that gets a pretty hard beating from clients on a daily basis, not to mention insane insurance cost and expensive guide licenses. For example, my brand new $100 fly line got stepped on and ground under shoes all day by the client above despite me saying no less than 20 times, "hey, the line is on your foot, you won't be able to cast as far if you step on the line." The guy simply wouldn't pay attention to it and refused to take his shoes off when I suggested. I'm trying to teach and help him cast further but get him to treat my gear better while also not grind my teeth flat looking at that line curl and wither knowing I'm going to have to replace it again because he won't pay attention and then tips me zilch on top of it. A tip really would have helped me when I order a new line this week.

I go on a fair amount of fishing guide trips. I tip 15-20% or $100-125 based on the cost of the more expensive saltwater trips, like one for $625 in Louisiana or Florida, etc. If it's a trip that is comped, say I know the guide well and we are going for fun or whatever, I'm paying for gas, beer and lunch.

When I go on a trip, what I'm looking for is a quality experience with a guide who seems to know the water and can give me tips on improving my casting, fishing, or teach me something. That's no easy feat, and I don't mean to come across as cocky here, but it's rare that I can't make a cast or put the fly where I need to or fish how the guide wants me to. I do forever want to continue learning and improving so it helps me out a lot to have someone who is also an expert to critique my casting and help me learn something about the fishery. I tell them this up front. I also let them know that I'm a guide and that I may be in the area fishing that week or in the future. If they want to take me to their secret spot, great, if not, I understand. I do tell them that if they do not want me to fish a specific area but take me there, then to tell me that. I won't do it. I also tell them I'm not going to steal their clients or advertise in that area. I might bring someone there from my own book of business but 99% of those people likely wouldn't go there anyways. I've had multiple clients where I take them fishing on a guided trip and next day I'm out there with another client and the guy is standing in the spot fishing and then posting about it online. That's not exactly worth the tip either.

My point being, communication and setting the expectations is key. Some people want to catch 100. Some people just want to explore new water or catch something different or difficult. Some people just want to be outside and not be in the office. Let the guide know what you want to accomplish. It really helps. Also, ask the guide what to expect out on the water. You'll more than likely get some vague answer because we don't like to promise a world record and then fall flat on our faces but I try to keep the expectations tempered because some people just show up expecting to catch 5 citation smallmouth and 13 redfish over 30 inches because they heard of days that it is possible or see photos of a very seasoned angler doing it.

If you think your guide has met your expectations, then tip accordingly. Also be cognizant that probably 90% of what happens on the water we do not have control of. I can't make the fish be at points A, B and C. I can't make the thunderstorm go north and I cannot make the angler strip set when they should have. As guides, we are all going off of our experience and sometimes we are wrong but I know very few guides who don't work hard for it. I do know some cranky ones and this is where I've realized that providing good customer service and a good experience is what makes the trip fun. If the fishing sucks, the least the guide can do is be somewhat entertaining and fun to be on the water, as well as teach you something and put forth effort and have a positive attitude.

When I go out of country to fish South America, the standard is 10% I tip that at minimum. Generally, it is 15% - 20%. Reason being is I'm in the 1% of the world, I see how those folks live and I want to help them in any way I can. I often leave boxes of lures and some gear too. It costs those guides so much for quality equipment. Anything I can personally afford to help someone else in the industry who is not as lucky as I am to live in the USA, I'll try to do.

I've had a few clients tip me anywhere from $10-30 for my casting lessons. That is completely unexpected, I do not ask nor expect a tip for a casting lesson. Fishing, yes. It's kind of a weird thing to tip a guide, but I suppose it is expected in the service industry and I am providing a service.

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Its different to me bartending versus a fishing guide is completely different like you said time spent and whats not in your control makes it way harder. I actually had a fly fishing guide once who called the night before a trip to do a quick casting lesson before the trip the next day that night but I was already out to dinner with friends in the area and felt like absolute shit not being able to make it for a lesson beforehand since it was offered so I tipped him a little extra since Jim Richmond did a hell of a job and put a citation in the boat the next day. Still think about it and get a little pissed at myself.

I also will really research guides before I book one which I dont know if its normal or not, on the trip to florida we were really tough on making sure we found a serious guide before we booked one since it was in a place we never fished before and knew nobody there. I think knowing as much as you can about a guide makes sure you have a good experience and in return tip more for a good days work.

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Thanks to you and Fish for the input. I agree completely with the effort guides put in and the stuff they end up dealing with. I do wish talking about tipping wasn't so taboo. I usually try to "ask" the guide in some way or another if what I am tipping is what he/she expects, but most of the time it seems like they don't want to be rude and just say yes or tell me not to worry about it without even counting the money.

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I tried to, but couldn't have said it better myself.

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Also Flyguy was wondering if you could possibly tie me some decorative flies or not or knew someone who would, the fiance wants the guys flowers in the wedding to have a fly in each of them and I had seen you did some stuff with earrings in the past so was just curious. It wouldnt be but 4 or 5 flies and nothing extravagant just simple stuff.

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Absolutely. I can do anything you guys want. Happy to also do it on Facetime so she can make sure she gets what she wants.

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Noob question incoming. Taking a trip to the beach soon. I typically "bait and wait" with heavy gear chucked passed the breakers with limited success. This year I picked up some medium tackle to try throwing some lures in closer. What are your thoughts on pre-tying leaders and using a snap to hook up to the main line. I'm not the fastest at tying knots, especially line to line. So I thought it would help keep my line in the water more when I try changing up my bait.

Thanks! I just picked some up.

If tying knots isnt your thing I would definitely reccomend any swivel or simple snap swivels I use the bare minimum ones for crankbaits and other stuff like that when I'm changing baits alot to avoid knot tying a thousand times and they work great. Otherwise a bloodknot or albrighton knot isnt too bad to learn.

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Anyone and everyone can tie a Palomar. Other than using up leader to keep tying onto a braid outfit (another great reason to buck the trend and go old school back to mono), there's no downside to it and you can't really tie an easier nor do you even need a stronger knot. I can tie it in the dark and with my eyes closed. I hate swivels unless necessary (like my worm rig), but in saltwater fishing, especially surf fishing, the fish aren't as wary or picky unless you're dealing with spooky fish on a 1' flat or something. Even in the salt, though, unless attaching a bottom rig or fishing something that twists the line, I avoid them.

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Bass and Bowfin fishing were on fire on the Mattaponi yesterday. Pink soft plastics, whether it be worms, flukes or senkos, fished weedless on the flats and edges at low tide is straight $$$.

Kid yesterday caught 10 bass or so up to 3 pounds, must have hooked twenty. Went 3 for 4 on the bowfin hooked. All 6-8 pounds on the scale. Man I love those fish. 30 pound leader to braid as the main line for spin anglers is what I recommend. Fly dudes, 30 pound tippet and good luck with the head shakes.

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Hey flyguy, what's the best/closest put in for the mattaponi that I could my boat in on?

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Walkerton, fish upstream. You need learn the river as there are lots of mud flats you can get hung up at higher tides. Bring your GPS to mark your track. Low tide will make it much easier to learn and see the hangups. Luckily you don't have to go up more than a mile or two to catch fish.

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Thanks!

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Sure thing, let me know how you do!

Your trolling motor is perfect for fishing the channel edges of that river.

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Sounds like the day you've been looking for lately. Well did, flyguy.

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Thank you!

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