By: ThunderingHokie DID WVU LOSE? on July 25, 2019, 12:59 PM | 130 comments Top-75 guard Joe Bamisile has flipped his college commitment from Northwestern to Virginia Tech, a source tells @Rivals https://t.co/uxLPuv68Lb pic.twitter.com/j9zdGRyJBd— Corey Evans (@coreyevans_10) July 25, 2019 This is #sauces but looks good nonetheless. Big get for the men's basketball team. Forums: Recruiting DISCLAIMER: Forum topics may not have been written or edited by The Key Play staff. Tweet 0 Share 0 Email to Friend Comments RealDiehl | 1 year 7 months # After speaking with my family, i've decided to decommit from northwestern. i want to thank the Virginia tech staff for having me. #gohookies turkey 🦃 🦃 pic.twitter.com/jDVTxiK0D2— josEph (@rexjoee) July 25, 2019 4-star recruit, #63 in the Class of 2020. Big time get! JASONinARLINGTON OUTTA WHACK | 1 year 7 months # ^ #gohookies? senjohnblutarsky IPAIDFORTHIS | 1 year 7 months # ^ Man. I can't keep up. I thought we were the Hoakies. That's what my cups say. vtnerf 🏌️♂️⛳🍀🍺🎣🧔⛈️ | 1 year 7 months # ^ Close enough. HorseOnATreadmill | 1 year 7 months # ^ Maybe he's a fisherman too. We got a good bass fishing team if he's interested. ThunderingHokie DID WVU LOSE? | 1 year 7 months # ^ Seems like pretty good #sauces. McHokie540 | 1 year 7 months # Welcome to the FAM! SevenLayersofPlayers 669TH MEMBER OF TKPC | 1 year 7 months # ^ AssPocketFullOWhiskey DON'TNEEDNOSTINKING⭐ | 1 year 7 months # JOE BAMISILE FLIPS COMMITMENT FROM NORTHWESTERN TO THE HOKIES VTMaroonOrange | 1 year 7 months # ^ Especially considering he has an offer from Florida. Maybe CMY's big selling point was our success of transferring players to Florida... NavyHokie 🍗🍗🍗 | 1 year 7 months # ^ Maybe he saw this Florida fan GeorgiaHokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ He's qualified 2HokiesIn1 SEND BARBECUE | 1 year 7 months # ^ The more you look at that picture, the more epic it becomes - The crewcut-mullet haircut The tote bag The tattoo The phone clipped to the front pocket It's just amazing. HomebrewHokie08 🍺MAKES "BEER" ⚗️🦃 | 1 year 7 months # ^ you forgot camera with strap around the neck indridcold | 1 year 7 months # ^ The skin tight rustler shorts HomebrewHokie08 🍺MAKES "BEER" ⚗️🦃 | 1 year 7 months # ^ rolled T shirt sleeve, presumably to show off the discounted tattoo Hokierick | 1 year 7 months # ^ Skoal in the back pocket chesapeakesoja | 1 year 7 months # ^ I've never seen a more "T-Bone" face than the face on that T-Bone tattoo. /s Chris TEEMING WITH INTEL | 1 year 7 months # Looks kind of skinny to play guard. Must play with great leverage. JRCooke | 1 year 7 months # ^ It's all about pad level. gobble gobble chumps PLS | 1 year 7 months # ^ and active feet! IfishVTIam | 1 year 7 months # ^ I have now seen 6'2" and 175, 6'4" and 195, and 6'5" and 175. How big/small is this guy, really? vtnerf 🏌️♂️⛳🍀🍺🎣🧔⛈️ | 1 year 7 months # ^ Everyone loves a good fish story... IfishVTIam | 1 year 7 months # ^ You funny. vtnerf 🏌️♂️⛳🍀🍺🎣🧔⛈️ | 1 year 7 months # ^ daveinop | 1 year 7 months # ^ whatever Michael Jordan is; they are both #23 vtandy | 1 year 7 months # WOOOO!!!! 07Hokie | 1 year 7 months # Dude's rated the about the same as Nolley...this should be fun We big-dogged them HomebrewHokie08 🍺MAKES "BEER" ⚗️🦃 | 1 year 7 months # ^ You are not kidding, check out this tweet from his NW commitment, OUCH: There are steals in recruiting and then there are heists. Last week's commitment of Joe Bamisile to Northwestern falls into the latter. Arguably Chris Collins' top recruit he's handed. Has been special today. Long arms, full of energy, explosive and makes shots— Corey Evans (@coreyevans_10) April 20, 2019 indridcold | 1 year 7 months # ^ Oh shit! That is rough. What is worse than a heist? senjohnblutarsky IPAIDFORTHIS | 1 year 7 months # ^ It's like stealing the gold back from Steve in the Italian Job. SharkbaitHokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ SevenLayersofPlayers 669TH MEMBER OF TKPC | 1 year 7 months # ^ Is that Seth Green? Being an Entourage fan, this is the only version of seth I recognize: 757hokie83 | 1 year 7 months # ^ VB06Hokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Being an Airborne fan, this is the only version of Seth I recognize: 757hokie83 | 1 year 7 months # ^ Such a rad movie VB06Hokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ GoKartMozart #BRINGBACKMCCHAIN! | 1 year 7 months # Tavien's turn. ThunderingHokie DID WVU LOSE? | 1 year 7 months # ^ Pls stevetheking | 1 year 7 months # I realize that he hasn't coached a game at VT yet, and we will probably have some ups and downs this season. But I really couldn't be happier with what Mike Young has done with this program the past 4 months. TechHokie13 | 1 year 7 months # ^ The biggest question was whether he could get ACC-level players. Said question seems to have been as definitely answered as possible at this point. This upcoming year (or two) is still likely to be brutal, simply because the team is still pretty inexperienced, but when some of these guys are juniors and seniors? Could be fun. Kville Hokies | 1 year 7 months # We not look it this year, but CMY is building a team that can compete long term in the NCAA. 919hokie | 1 year 7 months # WOW StineyDraw48 | 1 year 7 months # Yea but can he play D Line? Orion86 | 1 year 7 months # ^ he's got the length, just needs about 60lb ohherro 🥁STICK IT IN🥁 | 1 year 7 months # Go Hookies!Hickeys^^— Mr.Ranko (@nickrankonj) July 20, 2019 IfishVTIam | 1 year 7 months # ^ Cool looking place, it calls to me. I'd drink there! 101WildTurkeys | 1 year 7 months # I'm gonna assume Hookies is Gen Z talk for Hokies. It's like YOLO or Yeet. 2HokiesIn1 SEND BARBECUE | 1 year 7 months # ^ If he ends up better than Nolley and takes us to the Final Four, he can call us whatever he wants. FudBoster HUSTINJAMILTON | 1 year 7 months # jack14vt | 1 year 7 months # Good get CMY!!! Now go and get the PJ Hall and Myles Tate to round out the class. APrimusHokie | 1 year 7 months # OH HELL YEAH!!! dave WHERE’S DAVE? | 1 year 7 months # VT is a basketball school Orion86 | 1 year 7 months # this is excellent 2021-22 is stacking up to be a team loaded with veteran top100 talent. hokie4runner | 1 year 7 months # ^ Had to remind myself that this comment was in a basketball recruiting post and not the football one. 07Hokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ 2020-21, too. Sr Bede, #15 PG, #70 OA r-So Nolley, #15 SF, #67 OA So Cone, #8 PG, #97 OA Fr Bamisile, #13 SG, #62 OA So Ojiako, #49 PF, #238 OA Jr Kabongo, #40 PG, #234 OA So Alleyne, #70 SG, #402 OA Sr Horne, #53 PF, #208 OA Jr Wilkins, #87 SF, #388 OA r-Fr Cattoor, #76 PG, #500 OA griggma | 1 year 7 months # I saw on 247 that he has a 7'1 wingspan. That adds a good deal of length on the perimeter VTSnake | 1 year 7 months # ^ So you're telling me he'd be a center for Buzz? indridcold | 1 year 7 months # ^ for who? VTacajoe | 1 year 7 months # ^ almost as tall as Bucky Hodges! daveinop | 1 year 7 months # This is a big deal...likely resets what the 2020 class may look like in terms of attracting and leveraging commits. Instead of being the level you are trying to work up to; it establishes level at which you are starting out and the current value of a VT basketball scholarship. PJ Halls and Henry Colemans of the world are no doubt taking notes. Danny Coale Is My Spirit Animal DRIVES THE FURY ROAD | 1 year 7 months # ^ Elite talent wants to play with elite talent. NavyHokie 🍗🍗🍗 | 1 year 7 months # ^ (Semi-related) Shakeel Moore follows Bamisile on IG. Could Moore be the next 2020 piece to fall in place? He has ties to Jalen Cone too. 1985Hokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ And would guess that Basimile knows Coleman from both playing in Richmond area. Hope he's in his ear. 4VPISU | 1 year 7 months # Heck yes sir! HomebrewHokie08 🍺MAKES "BEER" ⚗️🦃 | 1 year 7 months # For those interested. MaroonX2 15 STRAIGHT | 1 year 7 months # ^ DFWHokie STRANGER IN THE ALPS | 1 year 7 months # french60wasp Staff | 1 year 7 months # MY GUY COACH SPELSBERG DOING THE LORDS WORK AT MONACAN! Vtkey | 1 year 7 months # This has been a heck of an off-season for VT basketball. Or an ON-season, as it were. 757EuroHokie | 1 year 7 months # Man even if this season is not great I think it brings me more potential excitement than the football team.. honestly never thought I would type those words. HokieinFLA | 1 year 7 months # ^ There is certainly a palpable difference in perception in between the two programs. CMY has done damn near everything you could expect to continue positive momentum in the program. He has won several significant recruiting battles and seems to have a strong nucleus of young players to build around. The only major blemish of the offseason was the loss of Blackshear--which is hard to blame him at all for. I guess the thing that is really puzzling to me regarding FB vs. BB is that we make repeated excuses for Football Recruiting (not enough money, resources, need better facilities, ect.)---yet Basketball doesn't have many of those same limitations? Despite that, Mike Young has come in in a few months, and recruited probably better than could have been expected. Maybe CJF needs to go down the hallway, knock on the door, and ask for a few tips?? ThunderingHokie DID WVU LOSE? | 1 year 7 months # ^ Chester Frazier was an assistant at Kansas State under Bruce Webber prior to this offseason. Antwon Jackson was an assistant at Cincinnati under Mick Cronin prior to this offseason. Christian Webster was retained from Buzz's staff. That's the difference. tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ You mean the basketball coaches aren't getting their first shot in the big leagues here just because they're buddies with the head coach? gobble gobble chumps PLS | 1 year 7 months # ^ is a middling acc coastal team really the big leagues? wvhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Yes. ACC is best basketball conference in the country = big leagues NavyHokie 🍗🍗🍗 | 1 year 7 months # ^ I believe he is referring to the comparison with the football team. gobble gobble chumps PLS | 1 year 7 months # ^ yeah, tjb is throwing shade at fuente's hiring tendencies tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Yes it absolutely is. gobble gobble chumps PLS | 1 year 7 months # ^ lol ok bro tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Are you 15? What kind of response is that? gobble gobble chumps PLS | 1 year 7 months # ^ Ah yes, old sport, you doth appear to have quite the higher perception and esteem of our program status than such do I, and I daresay I find it quaint - nay - even laughable! tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Nevermore outoftowner5 | 1 year 7 months # ^ You'll undoubtedly get the "basketball and football recruiting are WAY different" response, but in reality, CMY built a staff of good recruiters when he recognized that was a potential weakness. CJF hasn't done that. He didn't hire good recruiters when he built his initial staff, and he hasn't hired good recruiters when he's made incremental staff changes since. Here's hoping Whit is taking notice as well. Vtkey | 1 year 7 months # ^ What have Fuente's recruiting classes been ranked, again? Seems to me that overall, he's done pretty well, even if he hasn't won some of the individual recruiting battles people wanted to see. Looking at the big picture, I'm not sure the data fully supports the complaints. HokieinFLA | 1 year 7 months # ^ I'll concede that a few months of strong Recruiting is probably not enough to declare CMY (and his staff) Recruiting Virtuosos, but you're being a bit disingenuous if you can't admit there are serious questions about Fuente and the overall direction of the FB Program. While the '17 and '18 classes ranked well, there were also MAJOR gaps, most notably at DT--where, without going to JUCOs, we wouldn't have had even a semblance of a 2-Deep this season. Also, now is probably not the ideal time to use Recruiting Rankings as positive justification of CJF Recruiting. In any case, kudos to CMY, which was the real point of the original post. tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ I had to click on "load more" to scroll down to find we are ranked 92 right now between Ball State and Appalachian State. Maybe if we pick up another good recruit we can jump 11 spots to be in front of Rutgers. Vtkey | 1 year 7 months # ^ If this is the level of your assessment, who would we be to argue with you? I've pointed out the limitation of it. See: class size, context. tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Ok i will put in the legwork to see where we rank based on average rating tonight. Vtkey | 1 year 7 months # ^ This isn't a banner recruiting year. But Fuente has been better overall than some people want to give him credit for. tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ I was lazy last night and we have a few commits trickling in so I will wait until the dust settles. tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Mike Young heard/knew his weakness as a recruiter so he developed a plan to surround himself with a staff capable of executing what he could not do alone. Fuente, despite feedback and criticism, has doubled down on his own philosophies and seems to surround himself with a staff that he is comfortable with and will not question his decisions shakeitallabout | 1 year 7 months # ^ Fuente, despite feedback and criticism, has doubled down on his own philosophies and seems to surround himself with a staff that he is comfortable with and will not question his decisions I'd love to see the objective evidence to support this claim. RocketCityHokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ Much respect to CMY thus far, he has turned his perceived weakness into a real strength. We're all down about the current FB recruiting class. But I am curious what has led you to believe that our woes are a direct result of Fuente's personality? I mean its a results based industry and clearly if this level of recruiting continues Fuente wont be around long, but he's certainly aware of that. Was not Jaffar Williams hired largely because of his perception as a recruiter? Do you believe that Justin Hamilton will not be a successful recruiter and was only hired because of comfort level within the program? There is an issue somewhere in recruiting, but I have a hard time believing its simply the result of Fuente refusing to hire good recruiters. tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ It's not just my word, national recruiting experts and recruits agree. Also if you think jafar is an ace recruiter, take a look at his commit list that has him listed as lead. I actually do like JHam and think he has potential, but again, he has no real experience and is learning on the job which isn't what a successful program should be doing. daveinop | 1 year 7 months # ^ It's not just my word, national recruiting experts and recruits agree. Seems a bit like "bandwagon" logic...popularity based versus fact based. I actually do like JHam and think he has potential I like him, too. He and Exum are probably my two favorite Hokie footballers ever. But why do you think he has more potential than Williams? On paper, he is clearly less qualified than Williams. Is it because Brent and Evan know him? Because his current players like him? Because he doesn't have previous association with Fuente? shakeitallabout | 1 year 7 months # ^ Because he doesn't have previous association with Fuente? I'd say you're on to something there. The funny part is Williams has no previous association with Fuente either but hey he coached at Illinois State once and hasn't landed a 5 star yet after 5 months on the job so clearly he's garbage and was gifted his job because of some undisclosed Fuente connection. outoftowner5 | 1 year 7 months # ^ and hasn't landed a 5 star yet after 5 months on the job so clearly he's garbage Yep. Because everyone who is upset with our staffs focus on recruiting expects us to be challenging Bama for 5 classes, right? The absolutes are childish. shakeitallabout | 1 year 7 months # ^ Right because we've gotten so many well-reasoned posts with specific examples to explain why people have taken issue with Jafar Williams. Recruiting is largely about building relationships and he has been on the job for 6 months now. Sure, it's possible he won't be successful at VT but he was actually well regarded as a recruiter when hired at Maryland (link). Recall only a few years ago people latched on to Vice and decided he was the weakest link of the new staff. Three years later and he's probably considered the strongest recruiter on staff. While everyone would love immediate results, sometimes we need to chill and give the guy a chance. daveinop | 1 year 7 months # ^ Mike Young heard/knew his weakness as a recruiter Fuente...has doubled down on his own philosophies...surround himself with a staff... that will not question his decisions I think these are popular narratives among some critics to fill in what are largely blanks in terms of actual knowledge. There is very little tangible evidence to back them up. Mike Young said he had a plan to recruit well. Some fans want to believe it's because they yelled when he was hired. Babcock may have told him to highlight recruiting in his remarks; I don't know why anyone would believe Young's hires/plan had anything to do with their response to the hire. VT doesn't have anything special in terms of verbal commits with lots of 247 points thus far. Thus, Fuente is stubborn and dictatorial? shakeitallabout | 1 year 7 months # ^ Some fans want to believe it's because they yelled when he was hired. Bingo. Some message board posters clearly want to push a narrative that satisfies their over inflated sense of self importance. Kville Hokies | 1 year 7 months # ^ While I agree with what you are saying, I wonder if our expectations for football are still different then hoops? We have finished football in the top 30 in recruiting year after year, will we do better than that in roundball? In football we are competing against the top teams in the country for recruits and losing out more than winning. Are we really getting the basketball players that the top teams want? I am asking because I don't know, not because I want to argue over it. My other questions is how much does playing in the ACC help us in BBall compared to football? tjbhokie | 1 year 7 months # ^ I think the issue is that we are trending upward in basketball but downward in football. Less about the actual placement of the programs Vtkey | 1 year 7 months # ^ If next year's overall rating, with a normal sized class, is similar, I'll start to worry. Not before then. HokieStone 🎙TWO DEEP VT🎙 | 1 year 7 months # ^ Why would the class size have a material impact? daveinop | 1 year 7 months # ^ 247 class rank is total points...if that is what he's referring to. HokieStone 🎙TWO DEEP VT🎙 | 1 year 7 months # ^ My confusion is that 247 is not total points. It's bell curve to avoid that very issue. Kville Hokies | 1 year 7 months # ^ Class size can still have an effect, as with a smaller class you need to focus more on positions of need, and some positions have a lot fewer 4 and 5 star level players than others. Unfortunately our areas of need this year are the positions where there should be more high level players available, and some of the players we are taking in areas with less need seem to be more "under the radar" three stars instead of high four star players. Vtkey | 1 year 7 months # ^ THIS. Their class comparison greatly rewards "ringers", but isn't that helpful in terms of rating the overall usefulness of a class that doesn't have a few players who are really highly rated. So in a year where we have a smaller class without really highly-rated player(s), we're essentially penalized for not having "a ringer", while we may have some pretty decent players who will actually take the field and contribute. daveinop | 1 year 7 months # ^ then I stand corrected...but I don't think its a classic bell curve looking at the current rankings, Michigan is like 12th or 13th in average but is ranked 7th in recruiting on the strength of 23 verbals (tied for the most) VT is 34 positions behind Kansas (22 commits), who has an average over a point below VT. i don't know how 247 does their math, but class size somehow matters edit: so I found thisEach recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a Gaussian distribution formula (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others. So they do give some credit for numbers. Personally, I think the 247 composite is like a yardstick where the first 3 inches is pretty accurate, the second 6 inches is kinda close, the next 9 blurry, and the bottom half of the yardstick doesn't even have marks. hokiebuzz 🥓🥓🥓 | 1 year 7 months # Is this the new coach recruiting bump? Ibleedmaroonandorange | 1 year 7 months # I am so proud and happy to see this. I played basketball for Monacan in the late 90's and love seeing the talent come out of the school now. Although seeing the Nike logo on his jersey makes me realize how old I am and how simple things were when I played :). HokiesFTW123 | 1 year 7 months # Just hope that most fans don't pull a 360 on MY when we struggle this year, because a few years down the road we could be making serious noise. ThunderingHokie DID WVU LOSE? | 1 year 7 months # ^ I doubt that happens. Even when we went 2-16 in the ACC in Buzz's first season, everyone understood it was a rebuild. While the cupboard won't be as dry for Young in his first season, I think we're all prepared for an up and down season. The Beard of DeChristopher BEARDS > PEOPLE | 1 year 7 months # ^ I'll be happy with anything other than a last place finish, and even then I think there would be plausible explanations for it if we did finish last. benw92 WISCONSINITE I GUESS | 1 year 7 months # ^ I would be extremely unhappy if we finished last. I think we have the talent and depth to be competitive, unlike 14-15. If we're not I think it's a bad reflection on CMY, but I highly doubt that will happen. gobble gobble chumps PLS | 1 year 7 months # ^ do you mean a 180 mnt3 | 1 year 7 months # ^ I think most fans have already done a 180 from negative to positive, so it would be a 360 if they get back on the complain train. 07Hokie | 1 year 7 months # Williams' first recruit for the season following his initial season was Blackshear, on October 4th, 197 days after hire Young's same recruit: 109 days Before Williams' first season, 2 players graduated, 1 quit, 5 transferred out, 3 transferred in, 4 committed (net of -1). Before Young's first season, 3 players graduated, 1 declared for the draft, 2 transferred out, 2 returned, 2 transferred in, 4 committed (net of +2) William's highest rated recruit for first full year of recruiting: #62 Chris Clarke Young's highest rated recruit for first full year of recruiting*: #62 Joe Bamisile HokieHighVPI03 TYROD DID IT MIKEY | 1 year 7 months # CMY has so far exceeded all of my expectations....this is outstanding news. I was leery when he was hired but pretty damn impressed with his recruiting...go Hokies!! OkieDokeyHokie | 1 year 7 months # just a thought: I wonder if there might be more flips coming this year? It occurs to me that Buzz was an acquired taste. He recruited his style for "his guys". Wouldn't it be great if there were other players in our state/region who originally liked VT (but not Buzz) who might be reconsidering now? HokieMacGruber26 | 1 year 7 months # ^ HokieMacGruber26 | 1 year 7 months # RocketCityHokie | 1 year 7 months # I think we're benefiting a little bit from UVAs success too. Its a lot of good exposure to have your rival be the national champ, and generally be able compete with them, as we have done the last few years. SevenLayersofPlayers 669TH MEMBER OF TKPC | 1 year 7 months # ^ Its a lot of good exposure to have your rival be the national champ So it's Bronco's fault that Fuente can't recruit /s 2_Hokie_5 | 1 month 2 weeks # What's this I'm hearing that Joe might be leaving the team? If so this will suck big time! Catoor and Cone have been great, but PG is always a position you want some degree of depth at. Especially at the college level. you'll never really know the truth— joseph bamisile (@rexjoee) January 15, 2021 Per Gobbler Country: (Side Note: Keep an eye on the status of fellow freshman Joe Bamisile, who may have left or will be leaving the program. He's recently changed this Twitter profile to remove any mention of playing for the Hokies, despite continuing to support his teammates.) Linky Hopefully this is something that CMY can hammer out with Joe Bamisile in the coming days. ThunderingHokie DID WVU LOSE? | 1 month 2 weeks # ^ Damn. He has a lot of potential. Hope this can be remedied. boylejc2 | 1 month 2 weeks # ^ Unless I hear something from him or Coach Young, I'm not going to read too much into it. He missed his senior season with a knee injury, is playing his freshman year in one of the strangest seasons on record, and he's got a big (read: good) personality with a lot of interests outside of basketball. Listening to the Son's of Saturday podcast with Coach Giltner, it sounds like the staff really likes Joe both as a person and for his potential. 2_Hokie_5 | 1 month 2 weeks # ^ I hope that's the case. I think our team has made leaps and bounds this season, but losing a top 75 guard can certainly hurt our overall momentum as a program, especially since we'd lose a local Richmond kid. Joe Lanza PUBLISHER | 1 month 2 weeks # ^ Start a new thread.