OT: Soccer - USMNT - 2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup

For the few who are interested, or for anyone looking for some games to pass the time over the next few weeks, the USMNT is playing in the Gold Cup futbol tournament over the next couple of weeks.

They won their first game tonight (Tuesday 6/18/19) against Guyana:

USA 4 - Guyana 0

USA also missed a bunch of goals that could have made the score much higher.

Second game for USA is Saturday 6/22/19 8pm ET versus Trinidad and Tobago - playing in Cleveland (I think)

Third USA game will be Wednesday 6/26/19 9pm ET versus Panama - playing in Kansas City (I think)

Future rounds will be determined and listed later either here or in the comments.

Viva USA!

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Also, there was a lot of hand wringing last week after the USA lost to Venezuela in a friendly, but Venezuela tied Brazil today in the Copa tournament.

Doesn't mean Venezuela is great or anything, but maybe they're not a terrible team, and the US didn't play their top squad.

In the lead up to the Gold Cup, Berhalter hadn't put his A-Team on the field yet. There was a lot of looking, seeing, trying, etc. Last night the team gelled decently, and pressed pretty good for the first half.

However, as with most USMNT of recent years, speed will kill this team. They don't double back and cover, and quick counters could spell the end of the run...

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as with most USMNT of recent years, speed will kill this team.

wait.. are you saying the USMNT has a consistent system after all?

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Zardes pulled a Scott Sterling last night to score a goal. And he almost scored another goal due to his horrendous first touch that faked him and the goalie out. I don't know how he is still being called up.

Amen. Everything that epitomizes the problem with US soccer. He is atrocious.

FWIW Berhalter has shown he can get goals out of Zardes one way or another. His career was resurrected with the Crew last year under Greg and I'm not surprised he's getting called up now.

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That is good to hear. It just sucks that there really is not another option for his spot other than Jozy.

Bobby Wood....Josh Sargent....Julian Green.... The problem is that Jozy is the biggest Forward we have. He is the best at being able to hold the ball in possession on the attacking half when needed. Actually the real problem is that we don't have that piece in the middle of the field to play the ball through to allow us to attack properly without punting it up the field. My point is that we have options.

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While I'm also not surprised he's getting call-ups, along with some other of Gregg's Crew guys (Trapp), he is still bad. I'm fairly certain that if we can squeeze goals out of Zardes, any other of the competent forwards we have in the pool should be able to accomplish the same while also creating their own chances. Sargent, Novakovich, Soto, even Bobby Wood could all do what Zardes does but then provide other helpful things like a first touch less than 5 feet away. The two goals I recall Zardes scoring this year were a long shot deflection earlier this year in a friendly and last night. Obviously, last nights goal (while hilarious and so close to being the perfect 1000th goal in USMNT history) was dumb luck.

All this to say, he is bad and he should not be on the team. But he knows the "system", so he'll probably make like 20 more caps in his career and maybe score some more face goals.

Speed is the only reason. Hoping Pulisic pops one thru and Zardes stumbles upon it and fakes himself and the keeper out for a goal. Keep him tall and he's no different than Jozy...

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i like the boyd kid he seems like a real gem.

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His range of passing really impressed me last night but we do have to keep in mind that it was guyana no offence to them but alot of thier players were lower tier pros.

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Boyd was probably the best player on the pitch last night. Really want to see Weah get a chance to start opposite of Boyd. Think those two should be our wingers going into qualification.

Any updates on McKennie? Seems like he is always fighting fitness issues.

They were saying it was just a cramp. He was out there when the game was over with all the players.

Good to hear

The team looked better last night, but I was very unimpressed with Bradley in the midfield, he just wouldn't push the ball up, I think he made 200 passes back to the back line and 5 forward the whole game. The wings did a much better job of creating an attack, but Zardes didn't have the touch to do anything with the passes that were played in to him. Pulisic and Boyd looked good, as did Arriola and I liked what I saw out of McKinnie and Lima. The GK was barely challenged, so give some credit to the back line, but the team lacked cohesion and seemed to choppy most of the game. Outside of Pulisic, the US players do not look comfortable on the ball and several times players had the chance to dribble forward or carry it through the defense and just stood over before making a long pass forward into the teeth of the defense. Guyana did a much better job of carrying the ball and it highlighted the deficiency on the US side.

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Berhalter's style pushes the ball wider towards the flags. With that, it's great that Pulisic is playing outside instead of in the middle as a 10. But that also plays as to why Bradley didn't push it much up the middle last night. This team was much better than Guyana, so they were working on the process. You could tell once they got into the attacking third they went pretty hard, but behind that they went thru the motions.

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He didn't pass to wings either. I would have liked to see more of an effort to start the attack from Bradley by drawing some defense and getting the ball out to the wings. In general is seemed like Bradley would pass back and the back line would move it back and forth until one of them either went across the field to a wing or tried to play it up the sideline. If Berhalter wants to attack from the wings with crosses, that's fine, but the team should be able to start that offense from the other teams' half and from players other than the back line. The team looked best when the wings were able to play the ball to players slashing 10 yds from the sidelines or when they were able to dribble into the edges of the 18 yd box rather than trying to handle long passes from the back line.

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In Bradley's (minimal) defense...he's in a new position in the 6. And when he played the CAM, he wasn't all that great at passes wide. Possession first with him.

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i mean, bradley has played as a 6/8 at clubs basically his entire career

He's played an attacking mid (8) the majority of his career. Now he's back at the CDM (6.) While they may be lined up side by side, there are drastic differences in the responsibilities.

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8 is a box to box mid. 10 is an attacking mid.

6 is a CDM. 8 is a CAM. 10 is the playmaker at there top. He played the 8...and is now playing a 6.

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I read this as:

6 is a Center Damn Midfielder. 8 is a Center Ass Midfielder. 10 is the playmaker at there time of possession

I am 1000000000000% confident an 8 is a true box to box CM. It is more attacking than a 6 and can be a position that produces offensively, but you can also have an 8 who does not score or assist very much at all as a true box to box midfielder. It's all somewhat fluid but 8 is the true CM.

A 10 is either a CAM or SS depending on the formation.

Ramsey, Gerrard, Lampard - all classic 8s

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To build off this: Gerrard and Lampard are examples of central midfielders who were very productive offensively. However, you also have center mids like Modric who has 17 goals 47 assists in 303 appearances for Madrid (via transfermarkt so the assists might be slightly inflated by them including penalties won), or Toni Kroos (13 goals, 59 assists in 233 appearances) who is sometimes utilized as a 6 in a double pivot but is beyond any doubt best as a true box to box 8 as a distributor and possession controller. The 8 is generally a highly technically skilled, and very versatile position and that's why all these guys mentioned have played at just about every possible midfield position throughout their careers for tactical, injury, or rotation reasons.

And if you think about a lot of Lampard's and Ramsey's goals, they are the late runner into the box who puts in a rebound, the squared ball, the fluffed clearance, or the cut back.

with regards to their technical ability, you see a lot of the more attacking 8s drop back as they get older and lose their legs because they still have the intelligence and their ability to see and hit a pass, just not the stamina to always run back and forth. The so-called "deep lying playmaker" -- Gerrard and Pirlo both made this transition as they got older.

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...Bradley in the midfield, he just wouldn't push the ball up, I think he made 200 passes back to the back line and 5 forward the whole game.

He's sad Kyle Beckerman isn't on the team, so he's doing his best impression.

Why the f could we have not done this against T&T a couple years ago. Goddammit

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Because they were coached by UVA clown Bruce Arena

/s (kinda)

Because of course you play the same lineup 3 days later in 90+ degree weather and 100% humidity. Paul Arriola admitted later most of the lineup was gassed halfway through the game. That's on coaching and roster management.

It'll be years. Years. Before I get over that night.

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It'll be years. Years. Before I get over that night

Maybe it's a controversial opinion, but it was practically for the better. The U.S. would have gotten completely embarrassed in the 2018 WC. The match against Trinidad wasn't a fluke (in WCQ, the USMNT lost 4-0 and 2-0 to Costa Rica, who only got 1 point in their group last summer, they drew a terrible Honduras team, and drew Panama who were the worst team last summer, etc.). I would have been surprised if they got more than a point in their group last summer. Missing the World Cup enabled the U.S. to step back and have a chance to rebuild around a new core sooner rather than later.

Yes if you mean for the better in that the Arena team had no business going to the WC. In 2014 we punched way above our weight and hung with top teams. In 2018 we would've been embarrassed by any of the mid tier teams: Russia, Serbia, Peru, Japan, even South Korea.

Yeah, there are a lot of problems, but the biggest was the ridiculously bad talent pool of players in their primes imo. The core of your national team should be players aged 24-28. How many people in that age bracket were good enough to play in the world cup last year? Almost none. Things look a lot better for 2022

Well this is therapeutic.

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And that's why Zardes is on the roster still. Dude can score goals under Berhalter.

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Dude had a great game, but everyone was scoring tonight. Felt great.

Pump your brakes. Zardes is is not good, and I will be amazed if he's on names on the WF roster when it comes.

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He's simply the current whipping boy on internet forums. He's not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. He doesn't have a great first touch, but he's always in the right position and that gets him goals. Until proven otherwise, we don't have another 9 in the ranks that's as effective in Berhalter's system.

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That was good for my heart.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

You can see such a difference having the offense run through someone with a little creativity.

Say what you will about the USMNT's friendly losses leading up to the tournament but at least we didn't draw Curacao in a competitive match.

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until now

Looking forward to Sunday in Philly. First time seeing the USMNT in person, and also get the Jamaica-Panama game on top of it. Should be a good time.

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I'm so jealous. That'll be an awesome experience. And Jamaica-Panama should be a good one.

Make sure to get there early and go hang out with the American Outlaws. You'll have a blast especially the march to the stadium

Unfortunately prob gonna miss the walk. My 16yo is going with me, and we both are excited for the Jamaica game, so we are planning to be inside around 5 to watch warm ups. But, I will keep my eye on the AO website to see what details they post up today. We are in the "edzone" right behind the goal, so there's a chance we are sitting in front f them for the game. Giddy Up!

Just looked up the info, and we are complete opposite end from the AO's.

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Either way, you both will still have a blast! The games I went to up there were always a great time plus you usually get to see some of the older players/coaches in that area on the field during warm ups.

Pretty incredible goal by Altidore yesterday. I didn't realize he was only 29. I remember watching him back in the 2010 World Cup and thinking that was his age back then.

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I'm the same age as him, so he's always been one of my favorites.

19 year old Jozy leading the US to victory over 34 -game-unbeaten Spain in '09 is one of my all time favorite soccer memories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c6D5jVK_uk

I watched last night. No soccer expert but after watching the better teams in Women's a WC, the USMNT just looked like sloppy, bad soccer. The s that accurate? No energy.

From what I understand it was essentially the second team out there. None of the starters last night started the game prior.

That is correct - all 11 were back ups to rest the starters.

As others have said it was a fairly young and inexperienced lineup in a game where both teams had already advanced to the next round. Personally I thought they looked alright moving the ball around but didn't really know what to do with it near the 18.

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They looked a lot better late in the game after Pulisic and Boyd subbed in.

Yeah, agreed.

Little recap for anyone who needs it:

USA won all three group games (3 shutouts), highest goal differential at 11 (Mexico scored 13 but gave up three also)

Play SUNDAY 5pm ET in Philly against Curacao who scored a last minute goal to tie Jamaica last night to place second in their group

Win or go home

Jamaica game is 530. US game is at 800 as long as the Jamaica-Panama game doesn't go extra time.

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Just keeping you on your toes - good catch and thank you!

(actually the schedule I was working from was showing Pacific time and I thought it was Eastern)

TIL Curacao is a country...

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Give you extra credit if you know where it is

Double extra credit if you know what European language they speak.

The C of the ABC islands? Off coast of South America? I am guessing they speak dutch?

Ding ding ding

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Woot Woot. Only guessed Dutch knowing that Aruba is very dutch as well.

I would've guessed Portuguese based on the cedilla (ç) in the name. Apparently the Portuguese spelling stuck.

And actually looking into it, the Official gov't language is Dutch but the most widely spoken language is Papiamentu, a Creole version of Portuguese. So I guess I wasn't far off.

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Goal!

Haha, I was just thinking that McKennie was making too many sloppy passes and looked slow - great pass and great finish by him

I wish Zardes was better at soccer.

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I hope there's a younger, more skillful striker out there who can replace him in the next couple years as soon as possible

There is but for some reason he didn't participate in the U20 World Cup or this tournament. Not sure what the rationale behind Sargent not participating in at least one of these tournaments.

https://www.apnews.com/e4150626bbe041699fd8977e1196840a

according to this, at least, he was supposed to train with and be part of the gold cup, but that due to an injury to another player, they needed more versatility in the squad and elected not to take him as a third striker.

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Did not know that, but with Altidore not at full health I still question it a little bit. Oh well.

Especially when Curaçao was pressuring with three upfront against our three in the back. Altidore would have been a perfect target up front. Which brings me to my concern with Berhalter. He was having our defenses bring the ball out of our third with only three defenders. When curaçao was pressuring with three up front, we were terrible. Why did he not change it up and change something to help our defense out?

Also, Zardes completely stopped running to the ball in the second half. It hurt our midfield productivity which wasn't good to begin with. And he looked so confused the one time he was dribbling toward the defense and the goal.

Usually three at the back is better for playing it out. More options for the keeper in initial distribution (usually the ball goes to one of the center backs), plus an additional man in midfield for the center backs to pick a pass.

From the bit that i saw, it did not look good though

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It was still a win, but the fact that I fell asleep around the 65th minute and my wife woke me up around the 92nd minute is not a good sign considering the US should be head and shoulders above a team like Curacao. Outside of Pulisic, this team has a hard time creating much on the offensive end and stagnated in the second half. Even with their record so far in the Gold Cup tourney, I don't think this team can hang with any of the European teams and Mexico.

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It's been soooo long since we've had a right back who could cross and it still hasn't changed. Lima wasted so many possessions going forward. Decent defender but that part of his game isn't there. For that matter crossing not from Pulisic was pretty bad for the most part, and since that is Gregg's bread and butter, we're going to need better.

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What an experience!!!! I know the US game wasn't that entertaining, but the whole thing was awesome. We were seated on the opposite end of the American Outlaws, but got to site smack in the middle of the Panama friends and family section for the first game. Panama took it to Jamaica in the first half, but colle din the second. The hand ball and PK were right in front of us.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzWhpROhRBP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

The US goal was right in front of us as well. Along with some other great chances that were close to going in during the first half. The second half...what to say? The only thing I can possibly say is that Berhalter told the to continue to play out of the back for the second half; and they did. I don't know if this team has another gear. I know for sure Zardes does NOT. Maybe if Morris is in there with Pulisic...and Boyd and Arriola on the outside. Maybe....but still not sure.

Michael Bradley looks like he has a shock collar on. He refuses to play the ball forward. Even became a running joke with my son and the guy sitting next to us. Lima has been given a LOT of rope to go forward...which is ok if he has the wheels to get back and forth, and the brain to know when, and the size to make a difference. Pretty sure h'es not checking all of those boxes. Zimmerman was a beast. Steffen runs the box pretty well, including the back line. McKinnie has flashes. But it was really cool seeing Pulisic do what he does in person. He's on another level, but we must be delicate with him and remember he's only 19 years old. Don't burn him out before his prime. Use but don't abuse.

The USMNT is 5 years away from really being competitive. It shows. But the future is pretty solid with the young guns we have coming thru the ranks currently.

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Lima also needs to be able to cross better if he is to keep running so far up.

US has a lot of players coming through the Bundesliga now which is very exciting. Schalke has several. They seem to be very excited about Mckennie's extension. Haji Wright has been playing well on loan recently. Nick Taitague should make the senior team this year if he can stay healthy and I believe they just signed another American to their academy. The Americans in Germany are all extremely close off the field. I am more confident that this will not be another "lost generation" with most of these guys starting professional careers in Europe, working their way up through the club academies. Specifically I feel Germany has been perfect for them as most of these players are seeing solid playing time at their respective clubs and not being loaned out without development a la Chelsea and other larger clubs. A lot of these players we have not seen too much because they are not being released by their clubs for youth national team stuff.

Michael Bradley - There were actually several minutes where I was kind of happy for Bradley for some reason I don't remember now, there was a sequence where he was passing well and maybe he had a shot on goal or something

He had some nice through balls and generally did well protecting the back line. Thought he had a fine game. Had a couple of giveaways but that was pretty universal that night.

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USA and Curacao entering the stadium before the game.
https://i.imgur.com/zOae2hH.mp4

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I definitely have zero illusions we would be competitive in the Copa this year, but it's games like last night that make me happy we aren't in it from time to time. That game was a complete cluster, and they can keep that ish down south. The theatrics, reffing, coaches, all of it...just a joke. And that's the way they love it. What's the old saying about fighting a pig in slop? Well, I'm content, for now, with this team, to play in the Gold Cup.

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That penalty was complete bullshit, the epitome of why so many Americans hate soccer.

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So many Americans hate soccer because they watch the scoreboard instead of the game. They think it's impossible for a game to be interesting while goals/points/runs aren't being scored.

But back to your point, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but i'm sure CONCACAF wants a USA-Mexico final. They definitely weren't gonna give Haiti any help against Mexico

9:30 ET Tonight (Weds 7/3)

USA vs Jamaica

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Somehow I managed to be in Nashville and scored a ticket to the game. USA!

Awesome, enjoy!

Oh yeah!

GOAL!!!!!!!

Putting a ton of pressure on them in the first 10mins and finally pays off

Man, 5 great opportunities in the first 15. Fun start!

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Looks a little hot in Nashville tonight

Not terrible in the upper deck but the lightning is putting a damper on things

If Altidore got up and came at me like that I'd change my attitude in a hurry.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Eh, it was dumb of him. Taking the card was unnecessary. He drew the foul and reaction perfectly. Just get up, stare him down, and laugh when he's booked.

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Great team attack there. Jamaica is starting to gas out.

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Zardes absolutely biffs that one. He could have taken a touch and shot.

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Ugly but it'll do. Huge concerns about the middle phase of the line up. The back, while a little suspect, handled their shit, the front looks pretty adept at attack save some jitters here and there from Morris and Zardes, the midfield just looks lost. There were at least a dozen times where taking space would have opened up attacks for days, but we just dropped it to Long, Cannon, or Ream...

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Central midfield not comfortable in possession (partly J's formation after the rain delay), but some killer passes tonight from McK who looked like Bradley with some of his deft touch passes... just at a hell of a lot younger age. Central midfield has been memed by the Spanish as some sort of paradise for technicians, but for me, we're gonna need some blue collar ball possessors who will get beat but won't do it where they get the US scored upon and will claw back into the play. My money is on McK, but he'll need a couple years, hopefully injury free. We still need another as Bradley is getting older. Pul is just a little too technical for me to see him operating in a central midfield role..he has the mindset of a winger or a technician.... maybe as a false 9 or whatever the idiots call it these days working with the forward making runs among them passing etc. The duct tape is real, but all associated with the team should be proud.

It's a good thing we have Christian Pulisic

And McKennie. Mvp of that game imo.

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Don't sleep on Cannon. He was sneaky impactful all game.

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The Copa third place game, Argentina vs Chile, is devolving into a yellow card massacre, there might be a fight in this one by the end of it

Came here to say the same. I just turned the game off after the double red cards. Chile looks more interested in fighting than playing.

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Funny enough, after the double reds, the teams stopped fighting each other for a second and started teaming up against the ref. I thought that was a weak red even for Chile.

That's funny. Worth watching the 2nd half?

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They quite literally got into a "chest bump fight" which is an incredibly stupid thing my friends would occasionally do during high school. I died laughing when I saw it.

In my interpretation, I would have let that slide with double yellows, but I've seen double reds for mutual shoves before so I do think there is some precedent for "repeated non-play contact," or the like, being reds.

McKennie with the C band. Damn, that's a lot of weight.

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Jozy pls

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Jozy did more work from the bench (retrieving the ball) than Zardes did ON the field in the second half.

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I'm glad we reached the championship. That should be a given every Gold Cup. I'm glad we actually looked competitive and had a real shot to win that game. I'm glad our young players look so promising.

I'm not glad we got completely outcoached in the second half. I'm not glad Michael Bradley is seemingly the worst player on the pitch when Zardes isn't in. I'm not glad Altidore missed a golden opportunity that any 29 year old striker should bury.

There is plenty to be optimistic about after missing the World Cup, but there is still a lot of work to be done from the roster to the coaching staff.

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The U.S. is like a smaller scale Argentina. Altidore had his Higuaín moment. And not that Pulisic is even in the same universe as Messi, but both are so much better than their teammates.

Minus having an aguero and dybala on the team, they're at least in the same universe as messi. Nobody on our team is even close to spitting range of pulisics talent

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Here's one thing that pisses me off a little about tonight.

The second Mexico scores, social media explodes with women's team fans openly trolling people who are supporting the men's team. Like what the fuck, it's the same fucking country, why the hell do we need to turn this into a pissing contest. Im still a little bitter over seeing the women's players trolling the men's team after we failed to qualify for the last World Cup so it's just more fuel to that fire.

And if this is some ploy to further the equal pay agenda, it's the absolute wrong way to do it. Focusing the energy on tearing down the men's program over propping up the women's is short sighted idiocy that will get you nowhere in the long run.

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Well, I mean they are sitting next to 4 world cup titles. They can troll. As far as a pissing contest, I'd argue they have that right as well. How are we dumping resources into our men's program ending so fruitlessly? The women get 4 titles, and are told to act classier? It remains to be seen if the men can even get back to the world cup.

If the men won tonight, itd be a different conversation. But they didn't.

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I think the way Alum is feeling is similar to me and that having people actually supporting the mens side even though they are really dissapointing at the moment but it feels like at the moment people are enjoying it and just having fun trolling and crapping all over the team instead of trying to support it, or like theyre enjoying it struggling more than anything.

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crapping all over the team instead of trying to support it, or like theyre enjoying it struggling more than anything

Yes, this exactly. Thanks for putting it in better words for me.

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The guys on the Caught Offside podcast summed it up perfectly a few episodes ago saying that alot of these "fans" would hope we lose just so they can crap all over the team. Its the self pity group that hope we struggle so they can have something to whine about.

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it feels like at the moment people are [...] just having fun trolling and crapping all over the team instead of trying to support it, or like theyre enjoying it struggling more than anything.

Wait, are we talking about the current state of the USMNT or Virginia Tech football?

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It would be in very bad taste if the roles were reversed therefor this is also in bad taste

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How are we dumping resources into our men's program ending so fruitlessly?

Because there's more than 5 countries that also put resources into men's soccer?

What gets me is that the game was played in Chicago but was a home game for Mexico.

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It doesnt surprise me that in chicago there were more mexican fans but its silly how many there were compared to US fans

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I mean soccer is pretty much the sport of Mexico, right? I really am not surprised to see them pack in stadiums across the US. Its like when VT packs in football stadiums in NC or when Duke/UNC pack in Cassell. We might care about soccer in the US, but Mexico lives and breathes it.

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Plus a lot of their fans are second and third generation American citizens with families originally from Mexico. Their families have been rooting for them since basically the start of organized soccer. The US hasn't given them any reason to change allegiances

I agree but we always complain about how bad the players are but never go out and support either.

Mitch (2)

Issue with the mens team is it doesnt have players that can get goals on the regular against decent opposition, it doesnt have donovan or a dempsey isnted its altidore and still zardes who both arent near the level needed. This in majority was the same team that lost to T&T even with some of the younger newer talent I'm not sure the ceiling is much higher unfortunately. I didnt think the first half performance was all that bad I was impressed even but whats concerning is this was no where near mexicos best team either and in the second half they ran circles around us.
Amazing how in one day you can see how far apart the mens and womens programs are at this time. The people from the womens side crapping and trolling all over the men are hypocritical idiots who are so blinded by their own agenda they cant see were all on the same team and its sad they cant see it.

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I was not happy to see Morris start in place of Boyd. I thought Boyd had had a great tournament and looked much better in possession and creating his own shot. A front of Arriola, Boyd, and Altidore would have been much more effective. Morris plays like dead weight and only seems to make an opportunity out of corners and loose balls in front of the goal, which Boyd (and almost anyone on the team) can do as well. The second half really needed someone who could create on the other teams side and the US looked helpless, it was a matter of time until Mexico got one of their errant shots to go.

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I feel like it is horse trading between Morris and Boyd. One is decent at certain things and the other is decent at other things. However, it seemed apparent to me, that we are severely lacking a real difference maker on the wings. Arriola is adequate on one wing but not a difference maker. The other wing was a mess.

Morris is just a nonfactor. He had one nice header in the box, but it looks like he tries to trip over the ball nearly every touch he gets. With Morris and Zardes up top, you wonder how we haven't produced better options for attack.

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Agreed I like morris but he looks still unfit atleast like he needs more time to get back to what he was before his injury but its no surprise we cant score with zardes and altidore as our best options up front. Even though we were missing some bigger players this squad isnt far off what our best could be. Dunno how ready Sargeant is going to be as well as tyler adams but going forward we dont have many more viable options unless donovan wants to come out of retirement. Hopefully with more time Berhalter can tweak his system and figure out what he needs to get better at. Personally I'd like us to get back to being scrappy and nasty to play against and learn how to grind out wins instead of focusing on playing pretty stuff.

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Adams walked into the starting 11 of a Champions league Bundesliga side. He's ready. Sargent is more of an unknown, but he's supposed to get first team minutes with Bremen this season, so he'll probably be fine.

I'm regards to the scrappiness, it is a very American way of playing. I'm not sure we'll ever really lose that attitude, but that style of play can only get you so far. At a certain point (World Cup early knockout stages based on past experiences), we need better technical quality and possession of the ball to really have a chance against upper-tier European and South American sides. The only reason our knockout match with Belgium in 2014 was remotely close is because Tim Howard is not human. It might be painful at first, but we have to make the transition away from a gritty, hustle-play team if we have any hope of competing at the highest level.

Agree completely. Problem is, soccer is taught that way from the youngest ages here in the US. Youth coaching, even at the highest levels, is atrocious

I am hoping that as the talent level gets better, it will be easier to adapt to a more competitive play style. You can already see the talent coming though the pipeline at the U20 World Cup. Once more of that generation starts to be integrated I think it will be much easier.

Overall the talent level is rising with club academies having time to be established. If every club can get to the academy level of Dallas and NYRB, we could have almost a full squad of guys playing champions league level soccer. Germany is picking up a lot of US youth players, some of them will pan out, some of them won't. It's a numbers game

The first half was encouraging, and I think you saw that this team can create chances. Was beside mystery when Altidore bottled that chance. Thought he played decently well, but that was appalling.

However, in the second half they clamped down on Pulisic and really turned up the press. We just lost the ball in our own half way too many times. I'm not usually a Bradley hater, but he was very bad last night. With Adams out, there weren't any better options, but it was very clear that he is past his usefulness for this team. Other than him, the rest of the team didn't look comfortable handling the pressure either. Too many times they either lost possession or just booted it.

The substitution decisions were baffling. I get that Altidore was on a minutes count, so I don't even have a problem with that. If that was going to be the case, I'd actually rather have seen Zardes start and bring Jozy off the bench. I dislike Zardes as much as anyone, but he didn't do anything particularly bad today. He was a non factor because the ball was hardly in the attacking half. He even had a nice flick on that created a half chance for CP. No complaints from me on him tonight.

But, the last sub was crazy. There is no reason to keep Boyd on the bench, he was one of our best players this tournament. Absolutely an indefensible decision.

Overall, Berhalter was outcoached by Martino. He either did not know how to adjust to the press (which I would find hard to believe considering how many times he's coached against Martino) or he did not bring adequate personnel to deal with the pressure (also bad since he knows how Martino likes to play). I'd like to see what the team looks like with all first choice players available (Brooks, Adams, Yedlin) but unfortunately we probably won't get that chance until qualifiers start. Was encouraged by some of the tournament, but the last half was very bad.

Also, while I do not think the refereeing lost this game in any way, holy shit he could not have buried his whistle farther up his ass whenever Mexico fouled.

HE IS LITERALLY IN FRAME AS THE MEXICAN CAPTAIN CHOKED OUR CAPTAIN. THIS IS AN IMMEDIATE EJECTION. FULL STOP.

That was the most egregious, but there were other moments like telling our player to back off on a drop ball which we have a right to contest, a Mexican player fouling then dropping two knees onto Altidore which started this whole confrontation, and a bevvy of other terrible decisions and a fear to card anyone. Shameful display.

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He's not just in frame. He's a foot away and staring right at it.

Agreed. How he gets away with putting a hand on another player's throat without even a yellow is astounding. I think the ref left his cards in the locker in the first half and didn't want to admit it.

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The drop ball was weird. I'm pretty sure when the ball hits the ref, you just keep playing as if he were part of the field. I don't recall ever seeing that result in a drop ball, much less and uncontested drop ball. It's maybe not the best rule, but I'm pretty sure that's what's supposed to happen.

the announcers mentioned that it's a recently changed rule

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Thanks, had the sound turned down and didn't hear that.

My issue with the rule is the ref, like any other foreign object on the field, was considered a surface of play that should not interrupt the flow of the game. This new rule, if the ball is played off the official and results in a change of possession, then there is a drop ball that is awarded to the team with the original possession? Why not just an indirect free kick from the spot the ball was played? Why is this a rule at all? It seems so infrequent and interrupts the pace of play.

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Here was the foul leading to the choking incident, because Mexico has a lot to be mad about in this exchange...

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Wow, are you kidding me? It's amazing what is considered acceptable just b.c it happened on the field.

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I'm not completely up on VAR review protocols but is that not reviewable in some form for some reason? Player safety? I would think dropping knees on to someone's back like that could severely damage the spinal cord.

There was no VAR at the Gold Cup.

Ahh well that's a pretty good reason.

Wow. I'm glad I couldn't watch the game. Not, at the VERY LEAST, carding that is poor reffing. Even if you didn't see the Mexico player intentionally landing on the back of Altidore, that was right in front of your face. I would red card that and eject the player. Let Mexico play with 10 players the rest of the game. Horrible...