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Give me just one reason to believe VT football...just one PLZ

Your current leg count for this comment is 25... that's one reason to believe?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I want to leg it, but 25 seems right.

It was at +26 when I saw it, so I downvoted it. (Just to get it back to +25, no other reason.)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I'd have a really tough time at this point trying to justify what is happening with this class or the general recruiting trajectory of the program. I am NOT here for the takes that the 2021 class is where Tech sits pretty with a bunch of guys. I've been told that story since 2013.

Fuente's hires seem to all have been made based on fit and scheme, and I would assume evaluation. Not on recruiting prowess. This is Memphis level recruiting and there isn't a headhunter on this staff.

We're told that this will be a small class, yet we are accepting commits from anybody with a pulse at this point, the majority of which have less than 4 P5 offers. Three of them are RBs. Tech currently sits at 90th on 247.

What worries me the most is that it seems like Fuente just seems like he's the smartest guy in the room in terms of recruiting. Mike Young realizes he isn't a prolific recruiter, so he surrounds himself with good ones on his staff. Fuente continues to hire staff that don't have a clue how to recruit at this level. That, mixed with not using his full budget, makes it look like he doesn't see our recruiting to be a problem.

It's like people just ignore Wiggins. Yes this class sucks but to claim Fuente isn't hiring quality staff is laughable. Especially since over a quarter of the staff was already at Tech before he got there.

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Wiggins our there locking up big talent for us? Who's he been lead recruiter on?

And the "quarter of the staff" part isn't an excuse. Fuente has full control over his staff and the buck stops with him....and Zohn is the only guy on staff who consistently recruits, and he's decent, not great.

Basically forcing out TG, hiring Nix, Mitchell, Jafar hasn't shown anything yet that makes it look like he'll be a game changer...who are these hires you're so keen on?

He has full control of his staff, but he's still limited by resources. With that said, I still don't understand why TG was jerked around.

So on the topic of resources:
1) it's been reported on 247 on multiple occasions that Fuente isn't utilizing his full budget from Whit. LA has corroborated that here
2) You think our "limited resources" justify the embarrassing excuse for a class we've got now?

We spend enough on football to get defensive players who have more than MAC offers.

Bruh, I was simply pointing out a fact. Calm down. Fuente can't staff up like SEC and blue blood programs. That's all. Six figures of float, that's been scantily reported, isn't going to change that. And that doesn't mean I agree with staffing decisions. Take the night off.

Besides this person I've seen zero reporting of budgeted money not being spent. I'm guessing since no one goes to the Hokie club meetings no one actually bothered to ask Whit about this rumor correct?

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Calm down? I'm asking a follow-up. No need for clap-backs

The 'resources' response makes sense when we're talking about moving from a #28 class to a #20 class, but we're recruiting in-line with bad G5 programs at the moment.
No one is asking Fuente to staff like an SEC program - maybe just a mid ACC-level program would be a good start.

Again, it was a general observation, statement, and fact. You jumped to more conclusions than Tom Smykowski. Relax.

Excellent reference, btw.

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1) it's been reported on 247 on multiple occasions that Fuente isn't utilizing his full budget from Whit. LA has corroborated that here

Maybe he's holding some funds back to sign some high-priced talent just before the trade deadline signing day.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Dude, we get it, you touched Fuente's hand once and that makes you feel special. This recruiting class is an objective disaster and it seems like the "new coach bump" was a bump from G-5 level to something semi respectable. If Fuente doesn't hire recruiters or suddenly grow a personality we're building up another huge quality gap that's going to hit us in 3 years the way the 2016 class hit us last year.

Cool story let's stick to the comments made and completely wrong. No proven recruiters ignored the fact Wiggins got hired away by the best overall program in the nation, yea Fuente hires him at Memphis then brought him to Tech. Ignores that Fuente kept Foster and Wiles, what would have been fan reaction to him cleaning the defensive staff out? You also seemed to fail to notice I said in that very comment "this class sucks".

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Wiggins getting hired by Alabama doesn't somehow turn him into an elite recruiter while he was here. It's easy to look up who he recruited. I don't know what results you're even trying to cite.

But somehow in your eyes, Wiggins was elite and that outweighs the fact that Fuente hires Nix, Mitchell, Jafar, forced out TG, and we're getting ZERO out of both of our coordinators. Fuente is the captain of the recruiting ship, and he ain't righting it, no matter how hard you try to spin it

Keeping Bud and Wiles is fine if you don't add a bunch of trash recruiters to the staff to complement them like Mitchell, Nix, Lechtenberg, Cornelsen, Shibest, Scott, etc. For example, if you're going to keep Bud and Wiles, don't run off Torrian Gray, the best defensive recruiter we had.

The only above average recruiter we have is Vice, and when your head coach has the personality of a sack of potatoes, that's not going to cut it.

Shibest and Vice have both been surprisingly good recruiters in their time at Tech. As for Fuente I don't know what to tell you but that's just not true, as evidenced by every interview and behind the scenes interactions he has had. Hell just look how players talk about him. When you have a player who left the program, Denmark, actively recruiting for Tech that tells you a lot.

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Shibest has been "OK", and Vice's gems are young. Let's see them in games- the OL is a different beast where recruiting rankings often don't map to actual performance. We have had more 2 stars be major players on the OL than 4 stars at VT. It's a different position. In terms of Fuente, it is universally known that he is not a "players coach"- which is fine, neither is Saban but Saban wins 95% of his games. Fuente is a detailed task master that demands a lot of his players both mentally and physically. That's who he is, he is an up at 4am grinder type guy that doesn't tolerate mistakes and laziness. He is never going to be Mack Brown or Mike Locksley or Dabo.

it is universally known that he is not a "players coach"

I love when message board and twitter folks roll this out about a topic especially in sports. "Everyone knows he wasn't doing well in classes" is my favorite universal truth in college sports.
You know who wouldn't agree with that "truth" players still on the team and ones who left in good standing, hell one player who didn't, Adonis still loves coach.

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I love when message board posters snark reply to people who they have no idea what insight they have into the program too. That's awesome as well.

maybe steer clear of hyperbole like "it's universally known" if what you're really trying to say is "i have it on good authority"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

With all this people with insight not sure why anyone thinks this program is cut off. Seems like everyone is an insider with connections to what's really happening.

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Information leaking out of the program is different than the staff opening it up, welcoming us and showing what our potential HC dollars are going towards and what we have to be excited about.

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Well I can clear that up for you, your HC dollars unless marked by you for something specific only pays for students athletes scholarships.

Yes the access to open scrimmages, media etc sucks I've said that since Fuente got here. But if everyone on social media and message boards had the insight they claim they did the program leaks like a sieve.

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Do you know what the total scholarship cost is across all of our sports?

Also I sincerely don't know, why does their tuition cost anything? Why isn't a scholarship just the same as admitting them for free? VT is essentially paying itself back, right?

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This is how every school operates. The athletic department is separate. It's also how other scholarships even one given by the school operate you get an academic scholarship for 1,000 the school scholarship fund pays the financial department 1,000 dollars for you.

As for cost I can try and find the old Hokies club sheet but it will take time.

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So I understand that room/board/books add cost but slapping an extra student in an already overcrowded classroom doesn't cost them extra money (unless professors are paid by the student which I highly doubt). Is this more about opportunity cost?

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I don't get paid by the student, but my department does.

the program leaks like a sieve

are you sure that's not just the defense again?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Holy shit someone actually downvoted you for this. I wish the little boys who just downvote every comment in a topic would just step out like a man and comment instead.

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edit: lol someone downvoted fireman for calling out downvoters classic tkp offseason crootin frustration amirite

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The annoying thing is when someone makes a post about a comment getting a single downvote when almost every time that happens (in a non-rule breaking scenario) it almost always gets corrected and upvoted within a few minutes.

As expected, your comment is now at +7 (probably will go up) and the comment from Fireman was completely unnecessary.

then forgive me for annoyingly pointing out that fireman's comment now has at least [gasp!] two downvotes.

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This comment is entirely inappropriate! How do we know it's not little girls who need to step out and be women about it?!?

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I drove my husband's Silverado to work today and NO ONE cut me off.

Man, I feel like a woman.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

"I am NOT here for the takes that the 2021 class is where Tech sits pretty with a bunch of guys. I've been told that story since 2013."

The scary thing is that the people who've been selling that line for the last couple years aren't even trying to sell that line this year. Winter may be here.

On the positive side, if this Winter is anything like the "Winter is Coming" in Game of Thrones, it'll only last like a day and half.

..., the entire first string offense will all suffer season-ending injuries on the first play, the winning touchdown will be scored by the waterboy on an end around play, and the front row up to the cheap seats will all be squinting their eyes trying to see any of it...

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Nice.... more room for a RB!

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What in the actual fuck is going on this recruiting cycle...even after a crappy 2018 season, the team finished the 2019 recruiting cycle fairly strong, why is nothing going right with the 2020 class? At this rate if the team doesn't win at least 9-10 games this year, things will get baddddddd. Other than grabbing Nester, there hasn't been any positives with the football program in nearly a year and a half.

They fired Nix.

Wait, is that a positive or is that why recruiting is trending down?

Wait, what?

yeah that was an opaque statement

Sort of both. Nix was not doing a good job as the safeties coach. He is, however, a coach who connects well with recruits and opened a lot of doors for us with JUCO players. Lots of recruits have been noted as really liking Nix. Overall, I think it's far too egregious to suggest he is why recruiting is trending down as a whole, though he likely would have had us in better position for a few recruits here and there, one in particular being De'Arre McDonald, regardless of how important you value him as a target for our class. Overall, replacing Nix with JHam should have a very positive, on-field effect on the defense and long-term health of the players we have signed.

Thanks, I wasn't sure. Had heard he did not do a good job on the field, but hadn't heard anything regarding recruiting about him.

Wait, what?

This is unacceptable, no matter how you spin it. The staff is clearly going against the grain with its determination to do things their way and not fully emphasize recruiting as much as it should be. Fuente as HC should shoulder much of the blame.

However, I've got to start pointing some fingers at Bud. There was some personal stuff going on last year, of course. But he basically all but completely made it known when Dax committed that he was going to "ride into the sunset" with him. Recruits know he's probably not going to be around much longer, and with a defense that completely collapsed last year, we have no traction at all with any playmakers at positions of need on that side of the ball. He needs to either sign an extension tomorrow or make it known he's retiring. It's almost the same limbo we were in for Beamer's last few years coaching. We have major, major holes on that side of the ball that won't be covered up no matter how many points we can score this year.

This dumpster fire of a recruiting class won't manifest itself this season or even in 2021. I actually think these next two seasons are going to be pretty good for us. Somewhere down the line, though, this is definitely going to cost us. I hope we have enough success in the next two seasons to sell recruits in future classes, otherwise this is the beginning of the end for Fuente.

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I keep seeing that we're supposed to feel great about where we stand for the 2021 class. Am I really supposed to have faith that this staff is going to sign the 90th best class in the country and then a top 30 class the following year?

What does it say about Fuente and Co. that the moment they have a .500 year, nobody wants to come to Tech?

I keep seeing that we're supposed to feel great about where we stand for the 2021 class

People say this mess every year basically because classes that far out have very few committed kids and thus represent supposed potential. However the reality is that we tend to delude ourselves into thinking we have a chance with most of the kids that we think we have a chance with. That's not saying that we shouldn't have a chance with them, it's just saying that given the current state of the program we typically don't.

Using /s is for cowards.

If recruiting is the lifeblood of a college football team Tech needs several transfusions. Hopefully they can recover by signing day.

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What in the actual....

Oh wait, it's June. This 'class' doesn't actually count right now and people can still be added or dropped or bumped in stars? Last year y'all were gripping about the same stuff, like who's this Payoute guy who's unranked with no offers, blah, blah, blah.

Does this class suck on paper now? Sure, but June classes don't count for sh*$ and we still get to play a football season, so maybe let's just wait till after that. Oh, and recruits being what you want or don't want means diddly. Maybe let's let them actually play too.

Go ahead and overreact though to teenagers making decisions, because we all know you would've chosen Tech over anyone and Tech's always had highly ranked classes and June classes are the same as December classes, etc. etc.. For god's sake when did TKP become so whiny? Let's get some off topic gifs and memes please.

During last year

When in doubt. Nap it out

They gotta show some positive momentum. It looked like there was some between about February and June, but I can't help but wonder now if that wasn't good things happening so much as bad things not happening.

As to your last paragraph...man this sort of comment rubs me the wrong way. I don't have anyone in my offline life that cares about Virginia Tech football, this is where I come to talk about it. I'm probably not alone in that. If they recover and sign an appropriately sized class, great. However, people are gonna say something is wrong when you consistently miss on target recruits, have potential key pieces decommit, and have one of the lowest ranked classes in the ACC, ESPECIALLY in light of the last year or so. I have no major insight into what might be wrong, which is why I mostly avoid speculating. But if pointing out that something's wrong and daring to be unhappy about it counts as "whining" to you, I don't know what to tell you. Sometimes the negative outweighs the positive, and I hate to say it but our football program is there right now. Not acknowledging that seems nothing short of foolish to me.

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I get what you're saying, but my point is that it doesn't matter what place this recruiting class is in until December. Complaining about something that is incomplete and yet to be final is whining IMO. Plenty could happen between now and then, and even if it doesn't, it's impossible to know now how this class will end up. Furthermore, because of our youth these guys will have ample time to develop, and then we'll really be able to judge how good of a coach Fuente is (with player development).

Last year was Fuente's true year one IMO, because he had Frank's older guys year one and two, and then the combination of Franks end of tenure recruits (*read misfits) with his own young recruits, so it was like a first year program. Freshman and sophomores vs everybody else's juniors and seniors. Not to mention, recruiting takes building relationships early and getting in early, so I also believe his first real year of recruiting will be next year, because that will be the first class he will have been able to follow all the way through high school

That aside, was last season negative? Sure. However, we had two pretty great years for Fuente's first two, and that was better than the previous few before that. More could be done for sure, and I'd love to see a coaching change or two, but I'm going to withhold judgement until he gets to actually develop his players and has a chance to recruit guys he got in with from the very beginning. If 2021 is a garbage season and a sh*% recruiting class, then I'm open to whatever. Until then, i absolutely do not want to be a UT fan.

The guy has been making millions of dollars for several years now to get results. The whole "give him time to get his guys" angle is basically what someone says when they don't feel like acknowledging the reality of the situation.

I don't understand the idea of giving Fuente a pass because he had to deal with Beamer's guys, when having Beamer's guys is the only good season Fuente has had.

For the record, the "making millions of dollars" stuff is almost entirely irrelevant. Fuente is paid in line with the rate for a P5 coach. If we fire him and hired Andy Bitter, Coach Bitter would be getting paid millions of dollars.

Also there are numerous examples of up-and-coming coaches needing a few years to adjust and make changes before going on to lead successful programs.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Also there are numerous examples of up-and-coming coaches needing a few years to adjust and make changes before going on to lead successful programs.

Are there any in recent history (last 20 years)? If I recall correctly, Every coach who has won a title in the BCS or playoff era has also won a conference championship in his first three seasons at his current program. There's obviously many coaches who have had 'year zero,' but off the top of my head, I can't think of any who had a 'year zero' in year 3?

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I believe we're back to this same sticking point again. First off, it is my opinion that Virginia Tech can be a successful football program without necessarily winning a national championship. I'd consider Mark Dantonio to be very successful at Michigan State and believe his success is similar to what Virginia Tech could expect. Dantonio went 6-7 in his 3rd season.

I want to go back to the start of the BCS since it was 21 years ago and essentially matches up with what you termed as recent history. In the first 9 seasons of the BCS (1998-2006), there were 9 different national champions. The next 12 years had many more repeat champions to the point that only 11 different schools (and 13 different coaches) have won a championship in past 20 years. Of those 13 coaches, I'd break them into the following groups (active coaches italicized):

1) Perfect Situation, Questionable Coaching Ability
Coker, Chizik

2) Kept Program Competitive, Failed to Repeat
Fulmer, Miles, Brown

3) Frequent Conference Titles, Failed to Repeat
Bowden, Stoops, Tressel, Carroll, Fisher

4) Frequent Championships
Saban, Meyer, Swinney

Obviously there's some overlap and room for debate as over time the group 2 coaches dropped closer to group 1 and Bowden dropped as well. I don't think Swinney fits these groups that well but if Clemson wins another title, it's hard to dispute his place in group 4. Other insights are that only two championship coaches are at the school where they won a title (Saban and Swinney) and five championship coaches are active head coaches (Saban, Swinney, Fisher, Miles, Brown). I don't think anyone is clamoring for Miles or Brown so there are basically 3 coaches that fit the bill. In my opinion, that seems like an extremely lofty expectation.

My take is that VT is never going to be a group 1 school with an overabundance of talent that a mediocre coach can lead to a championship. Chances aren't great to land a Saban or Meyer either-and if we did, they would be looking to move up and use VT as a stepping stone (we are probably closer to the Michigan State or Utah in the situation rather than LSU or Florida). I believe we are looking at a group 2 or 3 situation as a more realistic possiblity. Regarding the first three seasons being a barometer of success, Phil Fulmer didn't win the conference until his 5th full season and Mack Brown didn't win the conference until his 8th full season. FSU wasn't in a conference until the 17th season under Bobby Bowden. Between that and considering the sample size of national champion coaches is so small, I don't believe a correlation between winning a conference championship within three seasons and winning a national championship is a valid one.

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I don't think people thought Brown was going to coach ever again and I believe there was at least a little bit of a competition to land Les.

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Ehh there's a reason Miles is at Kansas, arguably the worst P5 job. Les was not in demand. Per Godfrey on PAPN, Les was approached by a few schools who wanted to hire him if he adopted a modern offense, but he was not willing to do so.

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Ok so he was approached by several schools

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For what it's worth, I agree that we can be a successful college football team without winning a natty. But I do hope Fuente is less stuborn than Dantonio. Dantonio is a great defensive coach, but his unwillingness to adopt a mildly modern offense, and his most recent coaching shake up, is maddening.

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"Last year was Fuente's true year one IMO, because he had Frank's older guys year one and two, and then the combination of Franks end of tenure recruits (*read misfits) with his own young recruits, so it was like a first year program"

Normally people use the "year zero" argument to wipe out bad years. In this case you're wiping out a division win and a 9 win season. He had two seasons of cushion to get his guys in place and the results were less than inspiring.

TBH: Recruiting Jerrod Evans probably put off the decline a year....But last year was the year to rip off the bandaid!

As it looks now, 75% of team has at least 2 more years of eligibility! Only 6 Seniors. Team chemistry looks far better. Offense looks poised. Schedule favorable.

I know, we don't have 4* DL folks (although we really don't know what we currently have in the young guys in development) and our recruiting class (in the summer) is not even close.....

But seriously, is it really time to sell our season tickets and skip the season???

This. Jerod willed the 2016 offense into being formidable. And the defense that year was solid.

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Maybe this is one of the RB's we were supposed to lose...

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Is it basketball season yet?

Wow...this was one guy I was legit excited about.

You can try and Sugarcoat it....you can make excuses, but in the end, Recruiting is 100% a Results-Based business and, right now, this Recruiting Class is in shambles.

The past 15 months have just been one negative story after another..I'm afraid it is hitting home on the Recruiting trail (where our results over the past 2-3 years were only average to start).

My confidence that Fuente and Co. have a really strong handle of this Program or the ability to turn things around is eroding quickly.....I'm waiting for some sign (any sign at this point) of positive progress.

Last 2-3 years been better than average

Tomato---tomato....

Last 3 years we have ranked 3rd, 4th, and 5th in ACC Recruiting, moving backwards every year, as well as in overall ranking. Not exactly a positive trend.

So far, 2020 class ranks 13th in the ACC (although Hyatt's decommit may well push is into dead last). There is a major problem here.

According to 247 rankings, ACC for VT

2016 - #8
2017 - #4
2018 - #5
2019 - #3

Maybe Fuente wants to save all available schollies for the transfer portal after the season? Or maybe if we don't land any recruits this year, the whole depth chart pitch gets a lot better.

If Bud announces he is retiring after this season who would we hire to replace him?

No one that will make the fan base at large happy. Bud retiring will do more damage to people than Beamer.

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Hint: they will have coached with Fuente in the past, have limited-zero G5 experience and a generally underwhelming resume.

Your know....your standard Fuente hire.

Nix never coached with Fuente and had P5 experience. Everyone here hated him. Williams never coached with Fuente and had P5 experience. He's literally been on the job for around 5 months yet several people here have already determined he's trash, which is just beyond ridiculous. Lots of people have clamored for more people with VT connections and lo and behold, we hire Justin Hamilton. Oh wait, he doesn't have P5 experience and hasn't landed 10 5* recruits yet so guess we can throw in the towel on him too.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Nix was a stop-gap hire and clearly a mistake from the get-go. But who hired him??

Williams was at Illinois State about the same time as Fuente, they may have never officially been on the staff together, but its hard to think they did not have some connections. He has been on the job a very short time, but some of his major jobs would have been to keep our best signee so far (Hyatt) and get Lambert here (looks very unlikely) on-board...not exactly off to a hot start.

Hamilton appears to have all the "goods," for a successful coach, but he is 100% unproven on this level. What this Staff absolutely, 100% needs desperately is a PROVEN recruiter because we are sinking fast.

It's fine with me if that's your opinion and those are the reasons, but your post stating that any assistant hired will have worked with Fuente and only have G5 experience is demonstrably false. Fuente has hired several more coaches that don't meet those criteria than do since his initial hiring (Lechtenberg compared to Mitchell, Nix, Williams, Hamilton). It's even more interesting that people have latched on to complaining about those criteria considering perhaps two of the highest performing assistant coaches (Wiggins and Vice) actually met that criteria.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

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I like how the best a coach gets on there is 'safe for now.' Could change though haha

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This is a nightmare, but it's amazing how when I saw this on r/cfb it didn't faze me in the slightest. This is just what I've come to expect with our recruiting, and I can't even pretend to be surprised.

Oh shiiiiiii...

Fuente must have already accepted a coaching deal from aTm for next year.

"It's always great to beat UVA, that makes us all smarter and better looking for a couple days".

I know this is a joke, but if he thinks that the hot seat is hot at VT....he would be practically sitting in Hell down at Texas A&M with these results...

This was coming when he took his OV to Tenn. I was amazed this didn't get more comments/concern when it was posted in the recruiting thread.

(add if applicable) /s

so does anyone have any insight on why? Did the UT visit have an impact?

SEC always has impact. He's from Columbia, SC (USCjr), so he grew up dead in the middle of SEC culture and has mentioned how he thinks the SEC is on another level. He also was hosted by former VT commit, former HS teammate, and true freshman starter Bryce Thompson on his UT official.

Well all this sounds like it make senses to me. So in other words, this may actually not be on Fuente.

Everything is on Fuente. He is the head coach. He makes 4 million per year. He was hired to elevate a top 25 program, not maintain status quo. Beamer is gone. Long gone into the sunset. Everything now is on Fuente- good and bad.

Nah, that's just a cop out. You can explain away any situation if you want to play it like that. If Dashawn Hand had gone to VT, Bama and Michigan could have said "you know, he grew up a VT fan, he was super close to Bud Foster for longer than we were recruiting him, and ultimately just wanted to be an instate guy and play with guys he grew up with, can't blame him!"

You can put the spin cycle on anything. I just gave you context, this is still a failure of the staff. You have to sell the school, you have to pitch the recruits on why their best future is at your school. A former HS teammate hosting you on a visit doesn't guarantee you flip a recruit. That kind of thing happens all the time and doesn't end in a decommitment. This was THE lone gem in this class so far, and a guy who has been on the camp circuit who could have been recruiting other players to come bring VT back to the top.

The most frustrating thing about this abysmal recruiting class is that it's causing me to agree with this Vikings fan

The biggest thing to me about all of this, is we are still talking about 18 year olds. It's hard to understand why or why not. For all we know, Fuente did everything in his power possible and the kid may have decided on something super simple to change his mind.

Maybe he decided during his UT visit that he thinks the girls are cuter or something completely non-football related.

In this case, it seems that he has someone he knows trying to sell him on UT. If I was a kid and had a history with another kid, I'd probably hold them in higher esteem then any football coach.

But yeah, we could spin all of this in many different ways. The same goes for everything else related to recruiting too.

The biggest thing to me about all of this, is we are still talking about 18 year olds. It's hard to understand why or why not. For all we know, Fuente did everything in his power possible and the kid may have decided on something super simple to change his mind.

At a micro level, I agree, but at a macro level, we need to be winning more than we're losing. That's the concern.

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This disaster of a class... no we are not in the mix/going to flip a bunch of 4 star kids in December- we just aren't...will manifest itself in 4 years when we are "thin/young/and didn't expect - insert key defensive player here- to be kicked off the team or fail out of school. That's when it will hurt. When we are playing freshman again and Pitt is rushing for 500 yards in Lane. Yeah it stings in the moment, but it's really going to suck when we have 7 seniors in 2024 and 6 of them are WRs.

This isn't a defense of the class thus far, because it's wholly indefensible. However, I do think the portal and newer transfer rules don't make the subsequent fallout as disastrous. It's still really bad though. More than anything to me this is a perception issue. Virginia Tech football, the product, is stale. That's bad.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. The product is stale. The best way to drive the hype machine and keep things fresh is to WIN. Not saying that's easy or that other things don't factor into that, particularly among teenage recruits.

Especially considering that we're several years into a new hire, who was supposed to bring new blood/an exciting offense to a product that was clearly getting stale.

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DC - I find this comment incredibly interesting based on your Fuente owns it all comments that you consistently make. What if we have a new coach in 2024, does this comment still apply? If so then it isn't solely on new coach at that time. But what about our 6 seniors two years in a row - is that on Frank, Fuente or someone else? Point is you can't have your viewpoint both ways and be viewed as objective - when it's fuente you are are saying he won with Franks guys (sort of) and when it's the future it's a built in excuse that doesn't apply to the past?

1) This class is obviously a problem, but it's also a small class in terms of numbers. By sheer math this mutes some of the problems.
2) I agree with Joe - transfer dynamics are still young and can potentially also blunt some of a lackluster class for anyone.
3) offensive recruiting - we have a chance to be really good on offense this year and that could help with a "rebrand"
4) Someone will screw up in the coaching landscape. There will be a scandal, an unexpected coaching change, a resurgence of a team or something unexpected. Being opportunistic could change our trajectory if we take advantage of those issues by someone else - key word is could.

My point is you cannot have it both ways. You want to "elevate" the program, but you are building an excuse for the future that you say doesn't apply to the past.

Not DC, but going to chime in anyways...

What if we have a new coach in 2024, does this comment still apply? If so then it isn't solely on new coach at that time. But what about our 6 seniors two years in a row - is that on Frank, Fuente or someone else?

This is Fuente's fourth recruiting class. I'm not sure how you can blame the current situation on Frank. If Frank fucked up the Scholarship count (like Charlie Weiss did at Kansas), then I would blame Frank, but there's none of that happening here. Unforeseen circumstances derailed Fuente's plans, and that was nobody's fault, but at the same time, Fuente is ultimately responsible for building roster depth. He is on his fourth recruiting class after all...

This class is obviously a problem, but it's also a small class in terms of numbers. By sheer math this mutes some of the problems.

The class isn't that great if you adjust for it's size. Beyond that, we're not addressing positions of need. Maybe one of these RBs will switch to a position of need, but there will still be a pretty drastic learning curve, which doesn't exactly address our need to build depth.

I agree with Joe - transfer dynamics are still young and can potentially also blunt some of a lackluster class for anyone.

Someone will screw up in the coaching landscape. There will be a scandal, an unexpected coaching change, a resurgence of a team or something unexpected. Being opportunistic could change our trajectory if we take advantage of those issues by someone else - key word is could.

Addressing these two together. We don't want to be in a position where we have to hope we get lucky. We need to be proactive. Transfer dynamics are tightening up next recruiting class. Beyond that, transfers are good to add depth here and there, aren't a way to build an entire roster. If a scandal breaks, we still have to competing against all the other 'big dogs' to get those kids.

offensive recruiting - we have a chance to be really good on offense this year and that could help with a "rebrand"

We have a chance, and I think we could be good on offense. But we need to be REALLY good on offense to overcome a defense even close to that of last season.

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I don't want it both ways. I am not criticizing Fuente for the 2016 class- that was the Beamer hold over class. I am criticizing him for the 2020 class, as Beamer has been at the lake for 5 years by then. In college football at a school like VT, you can rebuild in a short amount of time- Fuente owns all of this now- the attrition, discipline issues, the starting players transferring, etc, etc, etc. None of that is on Beamer. None of that will be on Fuente either when the new guy is 4 years into the job.

We have 6 scholarship seniors. Anything resembling a "class" (e..g., 15+) will depend on attrition, at which time, some will no doubt bitch that Fuente can't keep players in the fold or is crappy at identifying talent.

Truth is, a team needs to go 40-50 deep to play at a high level. Fu is either getting there or he isn't. We'll get our first glimpse this year. As Fu said after last season (gotta laugh when people create their own narrative on what Fu thinks), he needs a good year.

Does a coach have to recruit good talent to be successful? Yes. But that success is defined on the field. In Fu's case, the direction of the program will be known/determined well before, and independent of, the next signing day. VT should be in contention or win the Coastal this year. We'll see.

The head coach is accountable for roster management. bottom line. whether he has to come in and weed out knuckleheads or most of one position group washes out or academic problems, injuries, etc. The head coach is accountable for the 85 man roster. So if "attrition" means that he is recruiting over guys that are on the team that he recruited, he either missed on them or he hasn't developed them. For the 2020 cycle, it's not going to be a bunch of Beamer players politely asked to leave. It's going to be guys that this staff recruited- like some of their scholarship RBs for example. You can't spin that.

They need to recruit well enough to have a competitive roster. And like all coaches in place long enough, they recruit over their own misses. Coaches get in trouble when they don't do that. Missing isn't good. Not doing anything about it is way worse.

Historically, a 50-60% success rate across all of the positions would allow a coach to build a good roster. With the portal now in place, that figure might drop a little.

2016 fell way short of that. 2017 and 2018 look decent. I'll be surprised if 2019 doesn't continue that trend.

edit: this coming from someone who is not in love with the recruiting pubs...

This season will be another data point but in the 2016 and 2017 classes, Fu and Co. seem to have done pretty well at the composite > .86 level and pretty miserable below that.

Back to what I was saying before... Fuente needs to perform this season or Whit should strongly reconsider his future as HC at Virginia Tech once his god awful buyout counts down.

A good season (and Jesus please some more visibility into our team) may still generate enough excitement to right the ship. 8 or fewer wins, losing streaks, or just generally not competing for at least the coastal with this easy if a schedule may sink us.

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Shit man, I'll take an 8-4 season lol.

This is one of the reasons why I don't follow recruiting. I don't know who this kid is, I don't know why he decommitted, and I don't care about any of the recruits at all. All I care about is who comes out wearing a VT jersey come Fall. Whatever happens, happens. Having any sort of emotional reaction to where a 16/17 year old stranger wants to play ball is absurd.

Do you care about not going 6-7? Because you need players to win. These players are here 5 years max... the 16/17 year olds don't get 10 years to develop, they have to play- so if we don't care about them, we don't care about winning.

so if we don't care about them, we don't care about winning.

Would you go so far as to say that if I don't become emotionally invested in the decision making process of highschoolers that I may not be a Real Hokieβ„’? There's a difference between caring about recruiting results and getting bent out of shape before the classes are finalized. If we finish the cycle with a class like this then yes that's bad and I'll not be happy with it, but don't insinuate that someone doesn't care about winning because they aren't agonizing over it along the way.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

This is 2019. This is not 1987.. we know where this class is going to be. Nothing is a secret anymore and if you are not securing visits from top guys in July, you are not getting them on campus in December. This is the modern recruiting game. We know where this class will be "finalized"... with a bunch of 3 star kids that don't have huge offer lists. Anything else will be plan B guys if the big boys make their offers "uncommittable" Sadly, this class is likely to be worse when "finalized" than appreciably better, since VT is not known for "closing" on recruits- the Dax Hollified outlier aside.

Alright, well, continue to "enjoy" your recruiting tracking I suppose.

I'll be back to post about the class in December after the early signing period as a footnote to our 10-2 Coastal title run. :^)

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We know where this class will be "finalized"... with a bunch of 3 star kids that don't have huge offer lists.

is this a "universally known" or more of a "i have it on good authority" thing? that seems to be a pretty big assumption when we landed JR Walker out of seemingly nowhere and then flipped Doug Nester just last year.

Not saying it's going to happen in the 2020 cycle, just that the kind of stuff we need to have happen to improve this class from where it is now has happened before

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As well as Doug Nester.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Doug Nester, the guy who decommitted from OSU after Urban Meyer was announced leaving? Yeah that's a Flip**

Yes, it absolutely was.

He did not decommit from OSU after Urb announced he was leaving. He was committed to anOSU up until he signed his LOI with us.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Good recruit signings only count if the reason they signed suits my narrative.

The point is we added a good recruit late in the class, and we still had to beat out Penn State to sign him.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Didn't say he wasn't a good get. This was hardly a flip according to a reasonable person standard. Continue rationalizing. As long as he can actually block a guy, great.

Need a fifth article from a different OSU source calling it a flip? How about Eleven Warriors?

Less than two months ago, Doug Nester was making plans to enroll early at Ohio State. But on Wednesday, he will sign his letter of intent with Virginia Tech, flipping his commitment from the Buckeyes to the Hokies, he tells The Herald Dispatch.

And another: he was still committed and they were still trying very hard to sign him.

Doug Nester has been an Ohio State commit for 17 months now. For Ryan Day and Greg Studrawa, these next few weeks will be crucial as they look to keep things on track for him to end up in Columbus and help to reload an offensive line that needs some depth for 2019 and beyond.

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Yes, if Meyer stays, he finds his way to Tech. I believe you.

oh that's what you were attempting to argue?

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But what if Meyer did stay and also Cookie Monster was a running back at UNC and Clemson got rid of their football team and Harbaugh started coaching coed shuffleboard? So many hypotheticals to bite my nails over - of course, all to the reasonable personal standard. Take a breath dude and be happy about having the highest rated O-lineman in the history of VT. If you don't think the flip meets the "reasonable person standard" and you are this upset I'd advise you to go to the fireworks stand and buy as many Black Cats, Roman Candles, Screaming Mimi's and whatever else you need to let off some steam over the next few days. That's my public service message for the other meltdowners on here. Calm down and say over slowly - the sun is warm, the grass is green and repeat. I'm seriously worried about some of these Hokies' blood pressure. Joe Dirt Fireworks

You can't put together a whole class with unexpected guys. Right now we have literally 1 4* (Lambert) on our radar. And odds are high he doesn't end up here. Having a worse class than a transition year like 2016 is inexcusable

That's fair and valid. All i'm saying is that if the class has even one 4* in it, dcwilson will have been wrong about how the class was "finalized", even though he evidently "knows"

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Having 1 4* means that there won't also be a bunch of 3*s with terrible offer lists? Those two aren't mutually exclusive

that's fair, but that's not how I read it in the context of his post. Sure sounds like he's saying we're stuck with 3*s nobody else wants and anybody that's more highly rated is also a player nobody else wants and we won't get them anyway because the class "likely to be worse when "finalized" than appreciably better".

I just wanted to remind him that we have won recruiting battles and they have been out of nowhere. There was zero chatter about JR Walker on TKP prior to his commitment.

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Have we won any this year? Will we?

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if you knew for a fact what was going to happen come december and/or february, you'd have better things to be doing with your time than insinuating to someone on the internet about how since we don't know it evidently means we know we don't.

but here we are

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But we aren't currently in the running with anyone for signing day besides Lambert who by all accounts doesn't want to be here.

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currently

thank u next

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Oh boy you showed me

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Undermine your own stupid non-argument, get stupid non-replies. Tale as old as time πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ

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You are not in a good mood lately. Let's just chill and see what happens my man

When in doubt. Nap it out

I've been doin alright, just have a low tolerance for people on either extreme of fandom thinking their stance is the One True Outlook without much room for reason, nuance, or perspective.

I appreciate you calling me out for it though and consider it duly noted. Classic community moderation

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How is it stupid? It would be significantly better to have relationships with talented recruits we hope to land. Everyone keeps saying 6 months like that automatically means we're just going to have recruits suddenly fall into our lap.

I don't think it's a "stupid non-argument" at all to be disappointed that there are few leads for us.

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Don't stress so much. It is like somebody that is trying to lose weight stepping on the scales twice a day. This class will either suck or have a fantastic turnaround. Either way, it won't show up on the field for years. While the staff has to grind on it daily, fans would probably do better to just enjoy the summer and enjoy football come august.

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Do I actually have anything to say? Or am I just asking questions to stir stuff up? Who's to say?

Your inability to actually answer the question speaks volumes.

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Literally nobody has the ability to answer "will we?" truthfully with anything other than "I don't know, we'll see when we get there".

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Seriously? Ok, I'll answer truthfully.
Will we?

Yeah I believe we will. It's July not December. Still a long time in recruiting. Am I disappointed in the class so far? Yes. Am I concerned? Yes. Do I understand how much time it is until signing day? Also yes.

Some truth those on the far negative side similarly needs to own up to:
Beyond what you read on recruiting sites, you have no idea what recruits are thinking. You don't know who the staff is trying to close on in the remaining time. And you don't know that we won't sign a 4*, you're just speculating as much as I am to say we will.

Both sides need to own the truth. Literally.

so if we don't care about them, we don't care about winning.

Said it before, and I'll say it again: the only random teenagers I care about are the ones that show up to fall camp wearing orange and maroon. You can follow recruiting if you enjoy it, but it doesn't make one lick of difference on the field whether you, as a fan, cared about the kids who went somewhere else to play. It's the same difference whether a kid expressed interest and passed or if they were all-in on playing for Clemson and don't know where Blacksburg is on a map.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Yes, but not enough to invest myself in recruiting. Maybe I've mellowed out over the years since being at VT, but I don't find myself caring about the losses as much anymore. I celebrate the victories with the same vigor, but I no longer let the losses affect me. At the end of the day, it's a football game and I'm happy to just be able to enjoy it.

I know that logically, their choices directly affect the success of our team, but it doesn't matter. If anyone wants to take that as me not caring about winning, or by extension, VT football in general, that's fine. I'm not here to impress anyone with the intensity of my fandom. Of course, yes, I care about wins because I want to see my alma mater and my fellow hokies succeed, but I can't bring myself to give a damn about recruiting. It's too weird to me to get caught up in these kid's life choices. I feel like an intruder almost.

I generally agree with you; I pay more attention to broader trends of VT recruiting rather than individual players. I could tell you where our class is ranked, but I couldn't tell you much about any individual recruit. That said, I'm definitely concerned over the average player ranking for this class.

Not to confuse being concerned with being an alarmist. I'm not suggesting we should fire Fuente over one subpar recruiting class, but the program needs some positive press. Fuente needs to give the fans something to be excited about. It's been basically non-stop bad news since Devyn Ford flipped to PSU.

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I'm only just finding out now that our recruiting class is shit haha. I've been in Africa for a month and I can honestly say VT recruiting didn't come to mind once. I don't know why our class is so small and apparently bad. And yeah, I would like for VT to start pulling great recruits since that is correlated with great success, but if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen. As long as we have enough players to field a team, I'm still hype as fuck for the season.

Well gentlemen does anybody here have college eligible here? Cause we might have to become the 2020 recruiting class

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We are now LAST in recruiting in the ACC. 14th out of 14 teams. There is no way you can spin this. This is bad.

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No where to go but up!

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There is no way you can spin this.

gobble gobble chumps just did.

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Is it just me or does it look like he (she?) is wearing the skin of 2 other's faces

our class is also currently full, what did you expect?

The average of this class is a 69 (not nice). If we were stressing quality over quantity, I'd get that. We have neither though.

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The average of this class is a 69

Not accurate. The average is 84, the total is 69. Still not great.

Is it basketball season yet?

I stand corrected. Regardless, we are behind Army, a service school who runs an option offense. We literally can't recruit better than a G5 service school with more physical limitations as to who they can take than any team in the FBS aside from the other service schools.

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we are behind Army

we wouldn't take any of their commits and they would take all of ours

they would take all of ours

That's fair considering our entire class is running backs and they run an option offense.

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^^ This is quality

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If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Fuente and Co. like:

Just pure curiosity (I'm sure some will think this is a stupid question). On "high profile" recruits or recruits of specific positions since it has been determined on here 90% of our coaches are awful recruiters, why instead of sending just a coach to pitch the same BS that has been pitched by the other 25 in home visits are we not bringing along a successful Tech football alum - Vick, Kam. Maybe the kids would be able to relate more to what they are saying rather than the coaches. Just an idea.

That or we stay status quo.

EDIT: Hunter said he was in contact with all of them prior to committing. Didn't know the rule book. Carry on.

pretty sure that'd be asking for an NCAA death penalty the way it seems they've dealt with us over the last year or so

edit: it would be a violation if they accompanied the coach on an in-home visit, but Hunter definitely could have spoken to Kam, Vick, etc outside of any official school-affiliated channels.

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Pretty sure there's NCAA rules around that.

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Probably because that would be a major NCAA violation.

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Isn't WR our deepest position right now, so one guy decommitting (even if he looks fast and potentially good) isn't that big of a deal?

PLUS - he could still recommit later.

You're doing it wrong... you are supposed to overreact about losing a verbal commitment from 3 star wide receiver.

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All valid points. I think the general reason for jumping off the cliff around here is because he was the highest rated recruit we had and him de-committing makes the 2020 class appear much much worse on paper even if we didn't lose a commitment from a player that would be expected to make an immediate impact. Moreso the optics of the overall recruiting and an additional blow to what has already been viewed as a poor overall haul in commitments

I get that, and I agree this class isn't looking good as of July and will have a hard time getting back to a class ranking in the 20s or 30s range that we've grown accustomed to, but I'm just trying to give some perspective to this specific recruit and its affect on future teams.

I was wondering the same thing myself, in regards to current WR's on the roster and the ones signed this last class. Patterson (rJR), Grimsley (JR), Turner (SO), Hazelton (rJR), and Ellis (rFR) are the ones I am familiar to semi-familiar with and we signed Payoute, Pinckney, Robinson and Bowick signed this year. Obviously with the offense we run , having more "good" receivers is way better than not having them but with the ones just mentioned is that group adquate for the next 2 years or so? Genuinely asking.

Our current recruiting class no doubt leaves much to be desired and losing our highest rated recruit just amplifies all the negative we've had thrown at us over the last 10 or so months, in regards to VT football. But looking at the roster is losing a WR the worst thing? We know there are other needs to fill and I do hope we are pursuing those and get some quality recruits come December.

I agree that the WR room is loaded, but its always better to have more talent coming in than not. If we had to lose a touted player at any position right now, I would pick WR because of the depth and how well the position has been stocked recently. I think the part of this decommitment that is rankling everyone is that we lost a talented player and don't seem to have anything on the radar to fill in the positions of need. If we had inroads with several DTs or DEs and it looked like this would free up a scholarship, then I think it would be much easier to let this pass, but right now it just looks like we are just simply losing talent.

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Actually I believe Jalen Coit is a more talented receiver than Jalin Hyatt judging from the film. Hyatt supposedly has 4.3 speed, but gets caught from behind a lot, doesn't get much separation, and is not as smooth as Coit. Also, Coit has more offers than Hyatt despite being rated lower.

I've seen some others point out that other schools are also getting hit by some decommitments. For example, Miami just lost a 4 star. Penn State lost a pair of 4 stars.

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/Decommits/

Anyway, just some perspective...

Recruits are 17-18 year olds. They will always be unpredictable!

I mean, that's my thoughts and represented above. At this point, I'll start thinking the sky is falling if we have a horrible season and signing class come December/Feb, but no point to lose sleep now.

The problem is that decommits usually trickle upwards as they realize they have better offers. Who is decommitting to go to VT right now? From which schools?

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So what is your excuse for PSU? I mean, I guess Clemson and Bama would be higher, but those guys are probably not going to those schools.

Or they trickle downwards if they realize their playing time may be in question and they'd prefer to be on the field earlier at a program with more room at that position.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Please don't confuse everyone with perspective!

You know, some people say it's too early to drink.

Those people don't TKP hard enough.

This right here is why I would only play the games in ncaa 14. Recruiting always bored me. Wake me up when the season starts. Then tell me who signed and why I should be excited

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Recruiting does bore me.

The problem is though that so does Hokie football these days. Last season we had a team with a losing record, a coach that gives us nothing, and worsening future prospects.

I'm a guy in his 30s with some free time and expendable income, and I spend less and less of it on VT football every year. And the way things are right now, it would take quite a bit for that particular trend to change

If it wasn't for my TKP membership sneaking up and auto renewing on me yesterday, I am not sure that would have even continued. Not the sites fault, Fuente and Co just are not doing anything interesting enough for me to check in on those articles. Breakdowns of a bad scheme and average recruits? Meh

Honestly, this isn't an abnormal trend due to the team or coach. I'd say this may be somewhat normal for most as they get older.

I was speaking with Dax a couple of weekends ago and he asked about me coming to the games. When I explained to him the hotel costs, food and drink costs, and then the game, he was a bit shocked.

Add in that life starts to take precedent and a lot of things change. When I first graduated, I would spend all day Saturday watching NCAAF. Then it slowly started decreasing and even started impacting Hokie games. As time went on, I'd have to start missing Hokie games altogether. Now I have kids and other stuff that comes up. I still love watching the game and am a Hokie through and through, but my priorities during game time are different.

Anyway, long story short, you will probably continue the downward trend as you get older. Then it may start to perk up again later.

Well that's more because we have VT degrees, which means we are intelligent, well rounded, charismatic individuals with good jobs and are busy.

Unlike SEC fans...

Statistically speaking, SEC fans won't get that reference.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

You're certainly not alone. This year was the closest I've come in five years to not getting season tickets, and the costs to actually go to the games are the main reason β€” compounded by expectations being low until proven otherwise.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

OK, so there is no way to put a happy face on this. It's pretty much unacceptable, and hard to watch.

However, Fuente still has my full support. This is who he is. He gets the chance to win games. He's had enough good recruiting classes to do that, and there should be enough experience to get it done.

Haven't we been bemoaning 3*s filling up our class? Now we can get a bigger fish.

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Well said, NM. We want guys that want to be here and are a good fit (i.e., OKGs), and if they're not all in, then perhaps they should re-open their recruitment until they're 800% certain of the school they wish to attend. I'd rather have an all-in, 2* guy than an uncertain, 4* guy anyday. Just ask Greg Stroman.

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We have six seniors on the roster. Assuming we have six scholarships available (it'll probably be more because of attrition, transfer portal etc.) let me throw out this hypothetical: If we snag both KeAndre Lambert and Malcolm Greene and dogwalk Jahad Carter and CJ Beasley, we have an average recruiting score of .867 which is consistent with the teams ranked between 15-35 on 247.

Are you still mad bro? It's crazy see this thread approaching 200 comments when literally two prospects can "save" an entire class. We're in the driver's seat with Lambert and in Greene's top 5, it's not crazy to think we can get both.

Neither of those two guys are coming, though.

well that settles it, I guess

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Is Greene really off the table, or are you just being pessimistic given our current situation?

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The point isn't if they are or are not coming. The point is that we only have six scholarships available. That's 7% of the total scholarships. Seven percent. Seven. The basketball equivalent would be a 200 comment thread about CMY fucking up by giving Hunter Cattoor a scholarship (1/13 = 7.6%)

Seven percent is not going to make or break a program.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings. Sure he can "save" the class, but damn if it doesn't look like things are in turmoil for the state of this recruiting class.

Good lord I'm sofa king tired of fucking offseason.

Can we just go back to shotgunning beers and hatin' on?

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

This will make everyone feel better about our decomits.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Just saw UF has had Four Two And two who early enrolled and then left signed players for 2019 not qualify to get in including multiple 4 star players.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

It's a brand new time!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."