Athlon Released Their ACC 2019 Predictions

Link: https://athlonsports.com/college-football/acc-football-2019-predictions

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Coastal Division
1 Virginia 6-2 9-4
2 Virginia Tech 5-3 8-4
3 Miami 5-3 8-4
4 Pitt 4-4 6-6
5 Duke 3-5 5-7
6 North Carolina 2-6 4-8
7 Georgia Tech 2-6 4-8

Clemson over UVA in the title game is their predicted finish

Well...seems there are those outside of Wahooland that are on the UVA hype train. I actually think GT is being given too much credit....Can they really go 2-6 with a triple option roster running the spread? I wouldnt have been shocked to see a 1-7 or even 0-8 prediction (which of course clearly means they're going 8-0)

Idk how I feel...It's been so long since UVA was good, I get the arguments that it's good for the Commonwealth rivalry that both schools be good, but it's nerve racking. I'm even more worried about that Thanksgiving date in Charlottesville now

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LOLUVA is a Perkins injury away from being barely above .500 at best.

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yep. Most teams are that thin.

Who was the better 1st year JUCO transfer QB: Jerod Evans or Bryce Perkins? How about predicting who will have had the better body of work (since Perkins is getting his second year in and Jerod chose to forego his)?

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Where is our boy Jerod now? Oh looks like he's making 40K for the Washington Valor in arena football. Scooped a 65K paycheck from the Packers in 2017, probably only got pocket change if even from the Eagles before he got injured.

He's living but not necessarily making one. Foresight is 20/20

This seems like an unnecessarily passive aggressive thing to say. I don't think it's very nice to hammer on the guy like this. He made decisions with information we'll never know from sources we'll never know. Who are we to judge? Let it go. He played admirably for us while he was here. Just be happy for that and let him be.

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Why should he be free from criticism?

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Criticize away, but rehashing Jerod's decision now says more about the person bringing it up than it does about Jerod. From an outside perspective we all thought it was a poor decision when he left. It's just that bringing it up again two years later just to proclaim how it was bad and rubbing it in isn't that tasteful.

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He's not rubbing it in to Jerod. Jerods not on the TKP and doesn't care about Tech.

Pointing out peoples mistakes is how we hopefully prevent others from repeating the same ones.

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Jerods not on the TKP and doesn't care about Tech.

Pointing out peoples mistakes is how we hopefully prevent others from repeating the same ones.

I'm going to make a small leap. How pray tell are we preventing mistakes when you're saying in the same comment that the player isn't even reading the comments? Who's to say the players we're supposed to be preventing from making bad decisions are going to see them either? I know players look at GIFtory, but I'm going to assume that they're not reading comments in an off-season analysis thread.

If I'm speaking with some candidates at a job fair, and I go off on a tangent about some guy who left my team for a better job then failed miserably because of it it might not be the most becoming of me regardless of if that person hears about it. Again, criticize all you like, but that won't stop me from seeing it as mean spirited even if you try to spin it as helping.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting that Jerod should be put on a pedestal or be free from criticism. But regardless of how we may feel about the merits of his decision I don't find it productive to look into his finances and then proclaim "foresight is 2020". It's petty and juvenile. The guy made his decision two years ago and ultimately we, the folks commenting on it, are completely unaffected by the decisions made. Why are we bringing it up two years later? And to try making the guy look bad in the process. Seriously, what's the point? And, regarding another comment made further down thread, to suggest that this comment is intended to "help" future decision makers from making this, allegedly poor, decision is a complete lie and is really pretty insulting.

Don't try to defend a poor-taste, petty comment as trying to help. It's utter bullshit. Just admit that it's a terrible comment and move on.

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Re-reading Rayos comment it's obvious it was just a dig at him... on the other hand I don't think this topic should be taboo and dismissed like you and so many others want to do. Jerod made an objectively bad decision. And it should be discussed and lessons should be learned so others don't repeat his mistake. If I was Fuente I would bring up Jerod to every single player considering leaving early for the draft that isn't guaranteed to go in the top 3 rounds. Jerod needed better guidance than he received.

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Re-reading Rayos comment it's obvious it was just a dig at him

That's precisely why I am being critical of the comment. It's unnecessary.

I don't think this topic should be taboo and dismissed like you and so many others want to do.

I never said this topic is taboo or should be dismissed. You're putting words in my mouth.

And it should be discussed and lessons should be learned so others don't repeat his mistake.

I don't really agree with this. Jerod's case is anecdotal and I really don't see the value in pointing to his specific situation as evidence that players shouldn't leave early. This approach would run into all sorts of problems. First, the lack of supporting evidence from similar cases is a big issue. To make a sound argument you really need to have more than just one example. Second, most players probably would consider this treatment of a specific player's story as unsupportive and petty. It could backfire. If you tell players that you coached a certain player who left early and flamed out against your judgment it looks like you're not supporting former players who didn't treat your word as gospel. That looks arrogant and can be bad politics for a football coach. And, quite honestly, a lot of athletes have huge egos and they'd be convinced that they wouldn't have the same pitfalls. Telling one athlete about the failures of a different athlete seems highly unlikely to be effective. And finally, even if you do believe that it should be discussed and lessons learned an online forum with average Joe commentators is NOT the place to do this. So even if I agreed with you that it should be done I strongly disagree that this is the place to do it. You're kidding yourself if you think athletes are flocking to this thread to look for life advice.

If I was Fuente I would bring up Jerod to every single player considering leaving early for the draft that isn't guaranteed to go in the top 3 rounds.

I've already laid out several reasons for why I disagree with this above. But I absolutely think it's a terrible idea for any coach to use specific names as examples to try talking guys out of a decision which the coach likely has a conflict of interest in anyway. If I were Fuente and a player such as those you suggest who need to hear this story (or some version of it) asked for my advice I would NOT use specific names but I might say something along the lines of "Look, you know that we'd love to have you back for your final season but I understand this is your decision to make and not mine. I want you to also know that no matter what you decide we will be supportive of you 100%. With that said, my advice is that if you don't get a first round grade it would be in your best interest to stay on the team here for another year. I've seen too many players get chewed up by the system and I really believe that extra year in college will be a great asset to you as you move onto the next level."

Jerod needed better guidance than he received.

I generally agree with this. I personally think he made a bad choice but I also don't know all of the factors he was considering or who was in his ear leading to the decision he made. I'm sure he was being pulled in two directions by various people and it was probably a very stressful and difficult time for him. I'd like to think better guidance would have been less stressful but everything I've said is speculation so I can't be sure.

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How do you know what guidance he received? He was told repeatedly by anyone at VT that going wasn't in his best interest.

He defied all reasonable guidance due to his ego and his fear that the next year he could get hurt or whatever. He let his success (predicated by how we coached him in combination with some decent talent around him) go to his head. He believed that if he believed that it would overcome everything including his glaring deficiencies in the passing game.

At some point though as a coach you have to make the turn and support the kid when his decision is made, otherwise you look like you are only out for you. Anyone with a brain knows Jerod wasn't wise here. He is a good guy, a good player and just was too brash here (his strength was his weakness for this situation)..

To insinuate that he went because he didn't get good guidance is ignorant. He went pro on his own accord in spite of the guidance.

I'd like to think better guidance would have been less stressful but everything I've said is speculation so I can't be sure

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Curious - where would you put Willis in this discussion? He put up more pass yards and TDs than Perkins, and had 3 less games to do it in. They both had 9 INTs. Willis had a lower completion % (58 vs 64) but I think that's cause Willis was throwing downfield more and Perkins more screens etc (hence Perkins having the higher completion % but for fewer yards, probably also a product of Willis trailing by large margins in some games this year).

I'm not saying Willis is as good as Perkins or Jerod, just saying I think Willis is a little underrated. What he did last year was pretty damn good by historical VT QB standards, and probably would have produced +-9 wins if he had a typical Bud defense like Jerod did.

Bold prediction time: If our O-line is merely competent, Willis breaks the VT passing yardage record this season. His receiving corps could be as good as we have ever had (I know - Ford, Philips, and Hodges would like a word).

Royal, Hyman, Clowny, Harper and Morgan would also like a word.

As would Davis, Witten, Johnson, and Wilfork.

Boykin, Coalesce, Roberts and Davis was wayyyy better than ADs supporting cast.

You want to call Wilford, a top 10 VT reciever, supporting cast?

When he was with AD, yes. In two years supporting AD, EW had a total of 20 catches for 241 yards and 1 TD.

His game vs Syracuse was about that big.

Then same probably goes for Marcus Davis as his good year was after Boykin and Coale left.

We all loved Andre Davis but his crew doesn't compare to the Boykin/Coale crew.

2011:
Boykin 61/761/5
Coale 60/903/3
Coles 36/483/3
Davis 30/510/5

2001:
Davis 39/623/7
Witten 16/161/1
Parham 14/155/1
Johnson 11/105/1
Wilford 8/100/1

Maybe you were thinking it was 2000 when this crew was at its best because Vick/Noel. Not really. EJ had 34/574/3 but AD was 24/318/2. Wilford was 12/141/0.

Or maybe you care to make the argument that AD and EW are two of the top....5? 8? WRs in VT history, but as I stated earlier, their productions never overlapped. Wilford was really a bit player when AD was here, it just happened one of his bits was the most memorable drop in VT history.

The counter could be EJ, Parham and Witten. I'm not sure any of those three would be significant contributors today or on those 2010/11 Boykin/Coale crews. Maybe it was the offenses, but to he, Coale was a far superior player to Witten and Roberts to Parham and probably even Davis and EJ were at best similar.

There is a pretty good argument that AD crew isn't as good as last year when we had:
Haze 51/802/8
Kumah 42/559/7
Grim 31/382/1
TT 26/532/5
Savoy 18/188/2

What Wilford produced with AD is akin to what Patterson did last year 12/109/1

That's a bolder prediction than most think. The receiving corps lost a whole lot from last year, Kumah, Savoy, and Cunningham were all solid ACC starting caliber players, Kumah by far our best possession receiver. We've got three solid guys in Turner, Hazelton, and Grimsley but beyond that it's kinda just depth. Maybe E Bow or Payoute will go off who knows but as of now Willis will basically have better versions of those three guys and Keene minus the transfers. Net result is we're pretty much in the same position as last year regarding all of our offensive personnel. How good the offense is will be up to Willis and how much he improves scanning the field, getting the ball out quickly, and not giving up untimely sacks

Savoy and Cunningham weren't solid starters,

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Neither Savoy nor Cunningham started most of the season and aren't going to start on P5 teams this season. In fact Kumah was good for Tech but he isn't at P5 school either.

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Totally agreed. Savory and Cunningham are bit players who were not involved in the second half of the year (savoy obviously and Cunningham was just a situational target)

Mmm I think the three receivers you mentioned have potential to become ACC starting caliber players, but they're not there yet. I don't think any of them start at Clemson, VT, FSU, Miami, NCst, ND, or Syracuse right now, and they may not ever develop to that level. Kumah and Cunningham both transferred to ODU; if they were good enough to produce as an ACC starter, they would've presumably gone to a better football program.

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I mean if you don't think Kumah could start at any ACC program idk what to tell you. My best guess is he got screwed by the process. I think Cunningham was undervalued, admittedly that's more of a personal view but he played well 2016 and 2017, got passed by Keene and other receivers last year. There's good reason to believe Cunningham would start at most ACC programs, probably not any of the ones you've listed (although he probably would get playing time at Syracuse).

Those schools you listed are top tier ACC either from a talent perspective or how well the team has played. Notre Dame doesn't count because they aren't in the ACC. The rest of the ACC: UNC, Duke, UVA, Wake, GT, Pitt, BC, Louisville, would all be lucky to have any of these three guys.

And yet not a one of them got a spot at those schools despite several of them needing bodies badly.

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This. Kumah went to an FCS school. Not a non-ACC, not a G5 school, an FCS school. He's not an ACC starter right now. Maybe he could become one before graduating, but we probably will never know.

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Didn't Kumah go to ODU? They're not FCS - they're FBS.

Conference USA is a weak G5 conference, but they're definitely not FCS. To be fair, they made that transition really quickly. They only brought their football team back like 9-10 years ago.

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I would take Perkins over Willis any day of the week and twice on saturdays. Call me old fashioned but I still see the ideal tech team as one with a Tyrod or MV7 at the helm** and Perkins is a lot closer to that mold than willis. I know the numbers are fairly similar, but when you look at the sheer number of drops we saw from the LOLUVA receiving corps, i'd say Perkins is the better of those two.

**i would also be ok with a Logan/Jerod at the helm, which is how I would categorize QPIII.

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I'll wait to see how much Willis can improve this season. Perkins has a ton of heart, but do you really think he will develop much more than he did last season? Can you think of a single good (much less great) QB that Bronco, Anea, or Beck have coached? I don't see UVA rolling out a prolific offense. While I have a lot of respect for Perkins, I don't think he's the athlete that Tyrod or Vick were (that's not a slight against Perkins; few individuals on this planet are as athletic as those guys).

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MV and TT were wayyyyyy better passers than Perkins. Just because they're black mobile quarterbacks doesn't mean they're even close to similar. Also RW>BP. Honestly I'd take pretty much any tech starting quarterback besides JJ and Motley over Perkins.

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Perkins is basically a RB with a decent at best arm. I don't know all the stats but from the little I watched of him he's one read/check down or one read/run, I would basically out him on par with TT's freshman campaign but with all the playing time.

This is true, but he's a slippery one.

Like a weeble, he wobbles but doesn't all down.

He just gives up walk off fumbles

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Even if he stays healthy, he could always drop the ball anyway

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Breaking news UVA isn't that bad anymore.

The bad news is the cakewalk they have before playing us. GT, BYE, Liberty. While we battle through a full November. ND, WF, GT, Pitt.

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Breaking news: LOLUVa had their best season in 20 years and we had our worst season in 20 years...and still won. I will continue to denigrate their team until they can prove on the field that they can beat us. And probably after as well, but we'll see.

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While we battle through a full November. ND, WF, GT, Pitt.

ND should be a top 15 team, and Wake should take a step forward on offense, but our November isn't that difficult (though UVA's is easier). Pitt will be undergoing a small rebuild while GT will be undergoing possibly the biggest schematic change that any team has undergone in a while. I'm not buying the body blow theory for the UVA game.

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Neither us or UVA have a difficult schedule, my point was just they have an easy walk up to the game it should set them up well on the injury front while we're probably going to be a little more battered coming in.

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We needed a few lucky calls and bounces to beat them last year, and lost a bowl game so it is feasible they could be better than us. But taking the division seems well out of their reach, would guess it is da U's to lose...

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Virginia is the en vogue pick for the Coastal it seems among the media types. I just can't imagine it actually playing out that way.

It really highlights the media cycle and how lazy a lot of this reporting is. You're telling me that every outlet is picking a team that has been .333 in conference over the last three years over Miami? Over last year's winner Pitt? Not even just us. There are other legitimate contenders that aren't getting picked.

In addition to Perkins carrying their entire offense, their O-Line is young. Perkins WILL be hit a lot this year and that's the first question mark. The second is, is the UVA squad legitimately better than the rest of the ACC? They recruited 34, 59, and 58 over the last three years, this team is thin on talent. Can Bronco coach them up? Maybe, but there are several teams that have significantly higher rated raw players.

If UVA wins, it feels like the Coastal will have beat themselves.

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This where I'm at with it as well. I'm more "worried" about Pitt and Miami next year than UVa personally. In any case I'm not losing sleep over this sort of thing, preseason predictions are pretty close to meaningless to me. Probably the craziest recent example was FSU being a preseason favorite to be a national title contender 2 seasons ago, only to eek out a 7-6 season.

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2012 USC is the gold standard. Preseason #1 by some and finished the season 7-6.

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There is no lazier take in 2019 than calling out the media as lazy. Even if you disagree with their opinion (I don't see UVA winning either, but I'm biased), surely you can see where they are coming from. The coastal is hot garbage, and UVA last year proved that they are turning into Mendenhall's BYU teams; well-coached defensively and able to leverage a running QB into wins over mediocre teams. Really, the only reasonable picks for the Coastal are UVA, Miami, and us, and UVA likely has the highest floor.

If UVA wins, it feels like the Coastal will have beat themselves.

Every single team in the Coastal is fully capable and willing to beat themselves, and did so just last year.

I would submit that the laziest is take is saying that there is no lazier take than calling out the media as lazy. What a joke

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I really can't see where they are coming from to be honest. Virginia has a few players that can light it up, but their line on both sides of the ball are huge question marks. That's a massive redflag for someone you're picking to win the league.

The line everyone says is "Perkins could lead the Hoos to their first divisional title" but what else? Who else do they talk about? There is always the line about a strong defense, but they lost their two best corners to the draft.

I legitimately think you see a 4-4 (2-3) UVA team heading into November.

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It really highlights the media cycle and how lazy a lot of this reporting is. You're telling me that every outlet is picking a team that has been .333 in conference over the last three years over Miami? Over last year's winner Pitt? Not even just us

No offense, but this is actually a pretty lazy take.

  • UVA's record has improved every year under Bronco. Additionally, their S&P+ ranking has improved by double digits every year since Bronco has been there. I don't think a three year average is really relevant here, this should be their best team since 2007, maybe even 2004.
  • Miami is talented every where on the field except QB (Reports are that Tate Martell has been mediocre all spring/summer), which has plagued them in the passed. Beyond that, they hired a first time head coach, so there's always some uncertainty there
  • Reigning coastal champ Pitt went 7-7 last year, has a new OC, and needs to replace two 1000 yard rushers and four starters on the OL. It would be very lazy to pick them as a coastal favorite just because they won it last year.
  • VT is at a critical juncture - Despite losing 10+ players after the start of last season, we are 11th in the nation in returning production as of NSD. We're either at the edge of breaking through, or about to fall apart. We won't know until this season starts
  • Duke is losing their starting QB, and other playmakers
  • GT is undergoing the largest rebuild of any team in recent FBS history. At BEST they field a top 25 defense and a top 75 offense, and win 7 games, though I think they'll be closer to their floor of 2-3 wins.
  • UNC went 2-9 last season, and while they had a nice recruiting haul, didn't sign (m)any players who will make an immediate

If UVA wins, it feels like the Coastal will have beat themselves.

That's not a bad prediction. Like it or not, UVA is the easiest team to predict this season. Barring an injury to Perkins, they're floor is 7 regular season wins, and their ceiling is probably 9. Given all the uncertainty surrounding every other team in the division, it's very likely the division champ will be 6-2 or 5-3.

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Predicting a 9 win season though? That's absurd. That would be UVA's best finish in the last dozen years. That would mean the lose to only one of ND, FSU, Miami, and VT without any other losses. Can it happen? Again, yes, it is possible.

Meanwhile, Miami has a nearly identical schedule and better athletes across the board. Their 4 team stretch would be Florida, FSU, UVA, and VT. Give me that over UVA 10/10.

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9 wins from UVA is far from absurd. Stretch goal? Maybe. Reasonable? Absolutely.

UVA plays Pitt, W&M, FSU, ODU, ND, Miami, Duke, Louisville, UNC, GT, Liberty, and VT. Of their 10 P5 opponents, 8 are either in the midst of a coaching change, replacing a multi-year starting QB, and/or undergoing a rebuild. ND, VT, and FSU are the only P5 teams they play who are returning both a head coach and a starting QB (and FSU still doesn't have a functioning OL, or a QB for Taggart's system, so I expect UVA to beat them). They'll lose to ND and Miami, and hopefully us (our game is a coin flip with them). That's a very realistic 9-3.

I agree that Miami is more likely to win the division than UVA. The fact that they have VT and UVA at home helps a lot. But I don't think it's unreasonable (and surely not lazy) to pick UVA to win the division.

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The Basketball team won the NC, so the football team must be good, right?

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Is it really a NC? There are only 73 schools that play NCAA lax across all three divisions (DI to DIII). There are 132 DIA (FBS) schools in the NCAA. So, is it REALLY a NC or did they really just win the rec league?

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Just saying, the UVA faithful are pointing out how they got 2 in a matter of months. They were hoping for baseball and then football next.

Out of all of their NC talks, they only have 1 in a sport that matters financially and to the general population though, and that one they got recently.

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Believe me, I heard about it from the Hoos at work. I laughed. Claiming that you won a NC in a sport that doesn't have participation by ~94% of the NCAA member schools in all divisions is pretty weak.

EDIT: 21%. Point still stands.

Lol, I happened to comment on the Commonwealth Cup twitter page, unbeknownst to me, the day after they won the LAX natty....UVA trolls came out of the wood work to tell me I was just jealous that they had just won their second championship in a matter of months and I genuinely had no idea what in the fuck they were talking about

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are you insinuating that our wrestling team accomplishments aren't impressive? the amount of NCAA mens lacrosse and wrestling programs are about the same.

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No. Wrestling is a completely different sport altogether. There are team championships and individual championships. And those guys can compete on the international level separate from their team. Similar to track and field.

Lax, on the other hand, is only a team sport. The lack of teams participating takes the shine off calling yourself a "National" champ for me. The highest participation rates are at lower levels of competition, so a team calling itself a nc at, say, DIII actually means more than DI.

No. Wrestling is a completely different sport altogether.

Yep. True.

There are team championships and individual championships. And those guys can compete on the international level separate from their team. Similar to track and field.

Ok. Not getting the relevance here. The fact VT's wrestling team has done very well with a group of individual feats still means that our team is good (like top 11 good). UVA is good at lacrosse with a team of individuals.

Lax, on the other hand, is only a team sport. The lack of teams participating takes the shine off calling yourself a "National" champ for me. The highest participation rates are at lower levels of competition, so a team calling itself a nc at, say, DIII actually means more than DI.

Wut. This is true in most (if not all sports).
Football:
130 FBS
125 FCS
167 DII
250 DIII

Men's Basketball:
350 DI
320 DII
DIII has 450ish? Idk. wikipedia says there are 450 institutions in DIII sports

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Just for the sake of accuracy about school's that field a Men's Lacrosse team:

73 - Division 1 Schools
70 - Division 2 Schools
246 - Division 3 schools

About the same number of schools field a Men's Lacrosse team as the number of schools that field a Wrestling team. Not to give any more credit to the NC but the statement above was just so inaccurate and misleading. This all comes from a guy who competed in a "less popular" sport and just wanted to add a little respect to these sports.

Thanks! It was hard for me to find the data from the NCAA. With that being said, it's still on 21% participation at D1 level.

And 36% for FBS participation...

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I'm fairly certain they made blood oath to the devil to get that Natty at the expense of another 15 years of falling short

I was able to get 8 years of Athlon's ACC Coastal predictions, and they got it right only twice - VT in '11 and the U in '17. So, I consider it good news when Athlon predicts LOLUVA to win! ... and the number of times they said the U was back is also laughable.

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Everyone in the Coastal is either coming off a bad season or lost a large share of their production from last season. UVA is seemingly on top by default because even though they lost a good deal of Perkins' supporting cast in Ellis and Zaccheaus that's still less than what Pitt lost. Honestly, no one in the division really screams 'better than 8-4' on paper.

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Pretty disheartening to see only 3 Hokies among the projected All-ACC picks on the defensive side, especially considering they went 4 deep at every position:

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I still think there's a very good chance we could overachieve, but I think people that are expecting 9 or 10 wins in 2019 need to temper their expectations a little bit.

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Some of the more rabid fans among us will point to the schedule and say 9 wins or bust, and honestly they're not wrong on this one. We're in the weakest division in P5 football with two FCS games and a weak crossover game against Wake. I'm not saying we can't lose 3 conference games or 2 plus Notre Dame, but we shouldn't be finishing .500 in the Coastal this year.

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Why is everybody thinking we have a weak opponent in Wake? They have gotten better under Clawson and could beat us... We should win, but it is by no means a sure thing.

I guess the same reason why some fans think we should always beat some teams in the Coastal just because of their names.

To get a little more in depth, Wake isn't the same Wake that looked great with 4th year starter Wolford at the controls in 2017. They finished 7-6 last year and lose 4 starting offensive linemen and their starting RB Colburn who was averaging over 5 YPC over his last two seasons. They also lost a potential All ACC slot receiver in Greg Dortch.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Still can't believe Dortch didn't get drafted.

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Wake, Miami, ND, and UVA are the only games that should be losses or near losses this season. IF you read Bill Connelly's preview, you'll see that his numbers favor us by at least a touchdown in every game except ND (lose by 11), Miami (lose by 5.8 points), and UVA (favored by .2 points against UVA with a 51% chance of winning).

If we win less than 8 games this year, either two teams on our schedule wind up being way harder than anticipated, we get decimated by injuries, or our coaches aren't that good.

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9 is reasonable. 10 is not, for the simple reason that I don't see us beating Miami or ND and I think there's a WTF loss in there somewhere too, because VT football.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Oh, I'm not saying 9 wins isn't possible, or a reasonable goal. I just think that we shouldn't be expecting to win 9 or 10 games, even with a weak schedule.

I agree that ND and Miami look tough, but I think we're also probably looking at more than one WTF loss. We're still really young, and if we're being honest, we're lacking above-average talent at a few positions (DL and RB, and maybe CB).

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I'm just gonna put this here cuz it seems like about the right spot for it.

I'm in the group of people who have said that VT should be able to win 9 or 10 games against this schedule in year 4 of the Fuente experiment.

There's a little nuance to my view though. I don't expect this team to win 9 or 10. Confusing, right? Let me explain.

At the end of 2015 we hired a coach lauded by everyone as an offensive guru and QB whisperer. The biggest win, though, seemed to be our retention of legendary DC Bud Foster (you've probably heard of him).

Well, with the pieces we have in place, and in year four, a competent coaching staff should realistically manage to win 9 or 10 games against the weakest schedule we've seen in a long, long time.

Essentially, if this coaching staff is, indeed, the right group to achieve the goals VT has for their football program they should have no problems winning 9 or 10 games against our joke of a schedule with our current roster*.

I'm not sold that this group of coaches is the right group to get us to where we want to be, however. Therefore, I'm not expecting 9 or 10 wins. But the right coaching staff combined with our roster and this year's schedule should easily manage 9+ wins.

*barring any unforeseen disasters like losing a ton of starters to injury or suspensions etc.

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All these high falutin predictions when there are more question marks than I can count, but starting with the big ones
What is the quality of our d-line? Yeah the one your grandmama could have wracked up 100 yards against in multiple games last year. Nobody outside of Bud and his crew really have any idea and even that is still in flux with incoming players, the rest of us will be waiting to find out when we see it in action.
Is Tavien Feaster joining us? With him we have a real running game threat, without him its back to the committee and hoping King is the real deal.
Does the Costal Carolina center get his waiver? Still hanging on that one.
Is Jeremy Webb 100% good to go?
And there have to be some others, but those are the ones that jump out to me.
Fifteen years ago these predictions were pretty easy because of limited variables, in this day and age of the portal etc, the variables make all these predictions a real crap shoot.

So my only prediction here is that we beat ODU by at least 21 because I don't think the answers to any of the above questions will affect that.

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I'm not sure I get your point. Perhaps I'm confused by the placement of this comment? Are you disagreeing with me? Is your comment even related to what I was saying?

In any case, if you're suggesting that we have too many question marks to know what we've got I think it's interesting that you're so confident this team can beat a team they lost to last year by three touchdowns. I'm not saying they can't, or that I don't think they will (in fact, I dearly hope they win by ten touchdowns) but it's strange to say that we have too many question marks to know if we'll be better or, heaven forbid, worse than last year and in the same breath confidently predict a huge win against a team we lost to last year.

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The fact that tre turner didn't make an All-ACC team is criminal.

Tre was hot in the 2nd half of the season. He'll be All-ACC next year.

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I saw their spring festival. This is a delusional, no-idea-what-they're-talking-about ranking fantasized by a wahoo high on zima. They have O-linemen that are not much bigger than I am. But wait, not only are they small, they're slow, too! Perkins spent most of the running part of his day (and he was QB on 85-90% of their snaps) trying to find a hole. The receivers aren't intimidating. They aren't deep. Significant offensive issues. They look decent on defense, but by no-means anywhere near elite.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

We also laughed at the prospect of people thinking they would win the national title in basketball after the upset the previous year.

So... I'm going to take a step back from the indignity this time.

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Agreed, but their basketball team had probably 1000x more talent than their football team will have this fall.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

True. But what am I missing here from all the hype? Perkins lost his best receivers and their running back right? What do they have that people are getting so excited about? Serious questions

1 they still have Perkins. 2 they won their bowl game handily. 3 they have a cupcake schedule in the worst division in P5.

It's not so much that UVA is going to be amazing but relative to their competition they're lined up to be better than most.

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Fair points. I don't have the slightest clue what their schedule looks like. Leg for u

They've been one of the best basketball teams in the country for a few years (losing to UMBC being an anomaly). I get what you're saying, but I don't see how either UVA or VT got the nod as favorites over Miami, honestly.

This division is a damn mess.

Miami's big issue is quarterback again. Perry is first string, but he is a millenial who is far more interested in video games and social media than game film and practice, which is how the lesser talented Rosier got his job back last year. So they brought in Tate Martell and whoops, he is now the third string behind Williams.
So they brought in a new offensive coordinator who is supposed to sprinkle his magic dust over this problem area and solve it. When that happens I will believe, until then, it's Miami, where performance rarely meets potential and Perry is the poster child for that issue.

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but he is a millenial

The least you could do is spell Millennial correctly if you're going to use it as a pejorative. Also college underclassmen nowadays are pretty widely accepted to be Gen Z, not Millennials.

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I laughed, but I also knew they were talented with the round football. I don't think this is comparable to the football program though. I get wanting to not laugh at the ranking here but I don't think we should be afraid to realistically question this list.

Gotta call bullshit on this one. Their basketball team was nationally talented and everyone paying even the slightest attention knew it. Their football team, however, is a totally different story and indignity is absolutely warranted.

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Anyone count up the fsu players on the all acc team. Like 4 total thru 4 strings. They must really suck

They have 8....we have 9.

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I don't care if the boohoos ever win another game. That said, I prefer that they get a little preseason recognition as it gives them further to fall when they fail. Also, disrespect would give them bulletin board fodder and possibly a real chip on their shoulder rather than the manufactured ones they tried to use last year....wasn't Beat Hokies or something of the like everywhere.

This year they will likely just hang the number 16 everywhere and break 16 wimpy pavers

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

What the conference games do we lose? Apparently not the Miami game, as they have the same record, but are ranked below us. I assume they have us losing to loluva (I just threw up in my mouth a little), but what other conference games do they figure we'll lose. I see Miami and loluva being the biggest challenges. After that.....??

There is nothing in the world like Thursday night in Blacksburg!

I know they've lost a lot but that opener @ BC has me concerned.

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I don't remember a time in my VT fandom where BC didn't scare me.

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2017 probably (a year after 49-0 bro) but that one ended up being way closer than it should

So it SHOULD have scared you.

Ok, that's one. Loluva being two, who's three?

There is nothing in the world like Thursday night in Blacksburg!

Pitt happens.

Very true, and right now the Coastal looks as open as I think I've ever seen it. But with that said, Miami, loluva, and VT seem to be the best of the lot. Everyone else either has a new coach (Miami does too, but all the talent they usually have...), New QB, or both, or they lost most of their team. PITT falls into that last category.

I honestly have no idea what to expect this year, but I hope that we can be in contention for the Coastal and we better beat the stuff out of loluva.

There is nothing in the world like Thursday night in Blacksburg!

Well, they do play us "at home."

UVA certainly doesn't look like much on paper, but they are a very well coached team. I've mentioned this before, but they remind me of some of Beamer's great teams in those early days.

VT's ceiling is certainly higher from a talent perspective. My hope is that with a healthy, slightly older, roster, a healthy Bud Foster, and new coach in Justin Hamilton (who I think will be a key in this years defensive success) that VT will hit its stride under Fuente this season. I do think the team, unless Fuente really isn't the guy, will find 9 regular season wins (10 wouldn't be a stretch with this schedule) including the season finale against LOLUVA.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Alright yeah I'm calling bullshit. Way more worried about that Miami game, they're absolutely loaded all over the place and now are running a spread. With proper player development we have a shot of having a really good season but their ceiling talent wise is no doubt higher

Since I haven't seen anyone go through the whole season:

@BC - I have a good feeling about this one the same way I did about WVU and FSU. I think we'll send a message first game of the year.

ODU - Can't win by less than 30.

Furman - bruh.

Duke - Off a bye and we'll be itching to play someone good. We get the win.

@Miami - L. Catching them early might be a good thing but the talent there is too much. Our defense will need to be vastly better and our offense way more physical for us to have a chance.

Rhode Island - They're actually decent FCS right? Lol

UNC - Absolute must win. Fu sees what they've done on the recruiting trail. Decent chance we beat them since it's at home it but oh boy would I be pissed if we lost.

@Notre Dame - On the road possibly a night game, I think we can compete but again likely a loss. Main thing I want to see here is no mistakes. Don't give away the game like we did last year. Don't run out of the shotgun on the 2 yl.

Wake - We get back on track after the Notre Dame loss but it's way too damn close. We win 24-21 on a late field goal.

GT - They'll be better than everyone thinks, no gimmick offense to be sure but they've got a very solid coach. I think we end up scoring too much for them in what becomes a shoot out.

Pitt - Here's the fuck up loss. Senior night at home to a bad Pitt team. They've had our number for a while and unfortunately keep it here. Fuck Pitt.

@UVA - I have a good feeling about it, think we get a solid win here. Late in the season everything's finally clicking. Unfortunately at 6-2 we're a game behind Miami and have to watch them go to Charlotte.

Overall: 9-3 or 8-4, probably the latter because I do not feel great about either the Wake or GT game. I'm pretty excited for the season but don't feel very optimistic about the bigger games.

ND is a 2:30 or 3:30 game, already announced.

Tough

8-4 and Justin Fuente's seat gets real hot.

Is coronavirus over yet?

You joking?

Many have decided 9 wins is the absolute minimum or it's time to move on from Fuente. I don't think 8-4 has Whit pulling the trigger but it's entirely possible he'd be compelled to make staff changes. I'd certainly prefer to consider the circumstances surrounding the record but I'll say if we aren't decimated by injuries and have games like GT and Pitt last year, I think concern becomes justified..

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Not many people get fired at 8-4 and even less if that's an improvement on the previous year. Realistically with what we have now 9-3 is probably the ceiling. But with 3 solid recruiting classes and few seniors we're set up to be stacked in 2020. We could easily go 8-4 this year then like 11-1 next, the extra win this year is meaningless we probably won't win the acc or the coastal.

Chance of Fuente being fired:

9-3: 0%
8-4: 15%
7-5: 65%
6-6: 100%

Fuente is not getting fired unless things go very badly or the team quits on him:
9-3: 0%
8-4: 2%
7-5: 15%
6-6: 40%
5-7: 75%
4-8: 95%
3-9: 100%

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As much as I believe in giving coaches time, anything less than 7-5 with the 11th returning production in the Country and the easiest schedule deserves to get you fired.

Deserves to get fired and actually gets fired are two different things. I agree with you (barring some absurd injury issues) that 6-6 deserves to be fired, but I think it's possible that this causes a staff shake up but HC keep his job.

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Yeah, may depend on $$$ too. Not sure what his buyout would be but I know we ain't got stacks

Either 15 or 12.5 mil depending on when

Didn't even want to type the injury bug when I posted above, but it was in my mind. But 6-6 with our schedule breaks the bowl streak. Two FCS.

6-6 means we lost to some awful programs (again, the easiest schedule in the country) and are showing a decisive downward trend under the new regime. I'm not sure where the benefit in sitting around and waiting any longer would be. We're all open to our opinions, but I'd think if 6-6 somehow didn't get him fired, it was by the skin of his teeth. That number should be 90%+ IMO.

Agreed that if we win less than 8 games we either had a horrible injury bug or we have made no improvement from the previous year. That will be enough for a staff shake up, but I'm not convinced Whit will cut the cord on Fuente at that point.

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Assuming a six win season or less...does Bud get a pass? Fire everyone?

I'm not for speculating on coaches being fired, but the offense has gotten better under Fuente.

I suppose my assumption would be that to have more than six losses our defense would have to be just as bad as last year.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

6-6 and does Bud even want to stick around? His contact is up after this season and he's got a new wife to enjoy life with, new grandkids to spend time with, etc...

new grandkids to spend time with

So you're saying we have to watch out for Bud leaving for UNC?

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but the offense has gotten better under Fuente

Marginally. Yes, it's improved but we were pretty close to the bottom of the heap so some improvement isn't really that impressive. Our offense is better at beating teams with less talent but it still can't win at the p5 level consistently. Our offense has scored more than 4 touchdowns against p5 teams only a handful of times in 3 years. Fuente hasn't lived up to his billing IMO. Not yet. This will be the season to see if the offense finally takes flight. If it doesn't look significantly better than it has so far I don't think we have the right coaches in place to achieve the offense we were promised

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If the team fails to win 9+ games this season AND the recruiting doesn't improve drastically I really don't see how anyone could defend keeping Fuente on staff much longer. I guess he'll get his real last shot in 2020.

Let's just fast forward to what 2021 could look like if we don't start seeing significant improvements really soon.

2019 - the team goes (optimistically) 8-4 in a really weak division with a super soft schedule. Misses the ACCCG and loses the bowl game to some middle of the pack big12 team. Signs the 12th best class in the ACC.

2020 - goes 7-5 with embarrassing losses to both unc and uva. Loses the bowl game to some MAC team. Recruits the worst class in the ACC.

2021 - what do we even have to look forward to?

I know this is doomsday stuff and I don't believe we'll get to this level but we have to be really honest with ourselves that it's a possibility. I haven't seen anything from this staff that makes me feel confident something like this couldn't happen. We're not recruiting well enough against our regional competition. We're not winning games we should win. This offense hasn't proven to be nearly as prolific as Fuente promised. Bud had one bad year; his first truly bad defense in two decades. He'll get benefit of the doubt but if we're not able to keep ourselves in games against the softest schedule in ages I'd be pretty concerned about the future of this team.

I'm not convinced that Fuente should have been fired last year. But he really really needs to prove that he is in the right place in 2019. I really think that this is the critical season for him. If we can't manage 10 wins, or at least come close without any real embarrassing losses the future of VT football doesn't look very rosey.

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I mean, I wasn't that far off, was I?

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I'm not.

If we don't win more than 8 regular season games, that means we lost to:

Miami (a realistic loss)
Notre Dame (a realistic loss)
and....

Pick any other team on the schedule not named LOLUVA that we should not be favored in, let alone two more. I can't remember a weaker schedule over the past 20 years. IMO 8-4 regular season shows little to no progress over last season.

Is coronavirus over yet?

We literally have the weakest schedule in P5 this season.

I agree and will also add that anything under 9 wins makes Fuente's sales job moving forward extremely challenging. 8 or fewer wins against literally the worst P5 schedule isn't going to sell to recruits (where we're already struggling), and it sure as hell won't to major donors.

8-4 (no major injuries notwithstanding) would actually be really upsetting to me because it's proof we've got a mediocre or worse staff, but may just be doing enough to survive another year. The last thing I want to do is have our program fall into NCST territory.

I think the 6 wins for URI last year tied their win total for the previous decade.

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I'll stand by my prediction from last year...

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

8-4 seems kinda fair to me

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Did anybody else momentarily mistake us for the top spot in the Coastal because of Loluva's (can't even say recent at this point) underwhelming history?

I'm ready to hear pads hitting. Championships aren't won in magazines.

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The eventual winners of the Coastal for the past five years have only been picked by that site once (2017 Miami). Their picks for 4, 3, 4, and 6 have won it the other years.

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Gotta find somehow to sell copies...

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There is no reason to worry about UVA.....we're going to avg 40 points/game with stout o-line and very strong skill position players

I got bored and found this comment. I was curious how it aged. Regarding your avg score per game, not bad! We managed 39.25 ppg in 2019. Unfortunately, regarding UVA, we lost for the first time in 16 tries. I'd give this prediction a solid C

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My man, you're moving from pessimistic outlook (which is fine), to antagonistic. It's not this one comment, but the sum of the whole as of late. Chill out a bit.

You have $100. How do you bet on the following over/unders?

Team Season Wins Conference Wins
LOLUVA 8.5 5.5
VT 7.5 4.5
Miami 7.5 4.5
Pitt 5.5 3.5
Duke 4.5 2.5
UNCheat 3.5 1.5
GT 3.5 1.5

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$99 UVA Under
$1 VT Over

Don't care about the rest.

I take the Overs on Miami any day of the week there.

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Think I would put the money on UNC over. They have app state, GT, Mercer, Wake, UVA, and NC State on their schedule. They get at least 4 wins against that run.

Do the wins still count if they're eventually vacated?

$50 Duke over
$30 UNC over
$10 GT over
$10 uva under

Whoa what the fook. Carolina plays 9 ACC games?!? Wake as a "nonconference" game, I wonder if it'll still count in the total

Last year UVA had a very solid defense, a very weak schedule, and a quarterback that did enough to make a below-average offense look talented. Their schedule is a tougher this year with us, FSU, Pitt, Miami, and Notre Dame (don't think FSU is near as bad as they were last year) so for me it really comes down to their defense. If they're able to field an even better defense than last year, than yea they have a shot to compete for the coastal. If their defense takes any step back, they could easily go 6-6 this year. I just think right now in the coastal you could predict any of the top 4 teams going 10-2 or 5-7 and your percentage chance of being correct doesn't change.

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Yeah unfortunately FSU got a monster hire at offensive coordinator. It's sad because if Taggart kept the reigns to that offense it likely would've continued to suck with 4 and 5 star players. Nothing would make me happier than FSU continuing to lose even when they have advantages over their opponents in almost every category

FSU didnt fix the issue they've had for 2 seasons, they dont have an oline. So why I think thing will get better, it's going to be rough for them.

The Florida schools are lucky they have the players cause their facilities suck compared to most. UF might be nice now that they built their coaches an office building,

I think signs are potentially pointing to us having a bounce-back year. UVA is finally decent, but as many have mentioned, their hopes are really riding on Perkins being able to work magic again this year. I still think we should beat them, but if we are coming off a few rough losses at the end of the year and going into Charlottesville with our heads down, we likely lose the streak.

I'm staying optimistic about this year. I think we really need at least 9 wins (only see likely losses at Miami, ND, and throw in the annual head scratcher). 8 wins is kind of VT football purgatory. It's not instilling much confidence, but it's probably just good enough to justify status quo moving forward. 6-7 win territory again with this schedule and the calls for Fuente's job will be deafening. I still don't think it will happen even if things are that bad again, just because a lot is riding on Fuente for Whit as well. Still, I think support from big donors and overall public opinion would be very vocal and calling for change.

Realistically, last year was flat out abysmal. We've heard a lot of talk this year about being more focused, no-nonsense, and a lot of circling the wagons. As I've said before, it's put up or shut up time. If we limp to 6 wins again coming off this NBA rallying cry, what's realistically left in the hat for us to pull out and give anyone confidence going into 2020? Fuente needs to win in a big way this year. A ton is riding on the future of VT football.

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Using /s is for cowards.

Michigan had the same odds to be in the title series at the CWS going into the college baseball season, so yeah, there's a chance.

(/s for anyone about to jump down my throat about the differences between football and baseball)

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I like how lots of sportswriters have loluva winning the Coastal over miami and the good guys but yet this doesn't even have odds of loluva making the CFP.

I like Vegas. These odds tell me the Coastal is either ours or Miami's and loluva isn't in the mix. Things may be trending as we want them to be.