How many losses would you trade for QB development?

In the MVP thread, Willis seems to be the consensus MVP for last year. I am not a huge Willis fan, but he certainly just managed to keep the bowl and LOLUVa streaks alive, so he's got that going for him. It also seems to be a consensus that Willis is a high floor, low ceiling type of QB. He came in playing at a certain level and we don't expect him to really elevate his game before he leaves. I wanted to ask a follow up question.

How many more games would you have been willing to lose last year if it meant having one of the other QBs (Hooker or Patterson) get the experience of first team reps and in game experience to come into this season really primed to take the reins?

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I woudn't have taken any additional losses for QB development.
We eeked out a respectable W-L with Willis in there and I'm not sure
just how much development could've taken place.

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4-6. One loss was to the eventual #3 team in the country. 2 losses had a catatonic defense on the field. 3 if you count the Miami game. When the D gives up 139 points in 3 games, the offense can't shoulder all the blame.

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A) wasn't blaming the offense; B) the team as a whole failed (from bottom to top & all over); C) nobody will ever convince that 8 Ws or less is anything more than mediocre at best.

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Cool, cool. Context doesn't matter. Got it.

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Uh, never said that it didn't. But that brings up the question: what percentage of Hokie Nation does that specific context matter to? Also, in terms of the bigger, overall picture of things, how much (percentage wise) does it truly matter?

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Yeah actually context doesn't matter at all when you look at wins and losses. Anybody else looks at "context" as excuses for each loss, which every single team has for every single loss.

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I didn't see anything in his response blaming the offense, I read it as that he was simply questioning whether 6-7 was a respectable W-L record

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And I can't think of a single loss that I'd put on Willis.

Willis did enough to win, it was the defense that was losing games.

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And since it was alluded to in this thread......that Notre Dame game was very much winnable and manageable until that 97 yard open field gallop in one of those horrendous 3rd Qtrs. And those type gashes happened way too often all season long.

I will concede the conditions were set because the Offense couldn't put it in the endzone on that drive.

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I wouldn't hang a loss on him either, but TBF, his development was very limited. He only did outside throws and couldn't do much between the sticks. One could perhaps argue if we had a better QB (not that we did) it might've taken some pressure off our D. But to also be fair, if we had a better RB that could've been true as well.

None. Win games....win recruits.

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I think Willis will take Yuge strides this year taking a whole spring and summer worth of first team Reps (or most of them at any rate). Hooker seems destined to be a back-up and QP seems to just be a wild turkey candidate at this point. So to answer your question none at this point.

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Once we committed to redshirting Quincy, I would say no amount of losses would have justified burning his redshirt on a lost season.

Not sure on Hooker, would it have been a decision more about his development, or would it have been "Maybe he can win us more games?"

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"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

It also seems to be a consensus that Willis is a high floor, low ceiling type of QB.

I feel very opposed to this. Willis is a gunslinger and a competitor. I feel like his is an xfactor every game out there.

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Agreed. He's high risk and if you want to call it something, I guess he's more of low floor, high ceiling. He might lose some games with head scratching plays (fumble against Notre Dame, INT against UVA) but sometimes the risks will work out as well (desperation heave to Dalton Keene against UVA).

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He's a home run hitter. Yeah, he's gonna whiff. The real topic is are we good enough to win with a JJ or do we need to take a shot at going deep to win.

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My complaints with JJ were always, he was never going to lose us a game, but he was never going to go out and win one. Willis gives you both extremes and honestly I'm more okay with it than just going out their saying "we tried" and going home.

Everyone on this board wants to win championships. If we perform as we are supposed to, we will almost always lose in a day and age where Miami and Clemson consistently recruit better than we do. We need to take shots and punch about our weight class to stay competitive.

Are we going to lose some of those games? Yepp. You bet your maroon and orange ass we are.
Is it worth it if we have a shot at ship every now and then? I argue absolutely.

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but he was never going to go out and win one. Willis gives you both extremes and honestly I'm more okay with it than just going out their saying "we tried" and going home.

I would have to disagree. I am with Fuente in wanting (what did he say?) "Predictable outcomes". JJ did that in spades relative to Willis. It's not that Willis was bad but he couldn't read the field as well and make the correct throw, nor did he know when to keep or give on an option. JJ could do that with ease.

Willis certainly has better legs on him than JJ, but that's about it. I'm hoping Willis has developed to provide Fuente with predictable outcomes. If so then our O will take a large step forward.

Willis certainly has better legs on him than JJ, but that's about it

MUCH better arm. Not even close🤷‍♂️

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I don't know about that. Neither Willis nor JJ were throwing hail mary bombs at all. Further, JJ was constantly injured so his arm strength / mechanics were off. Willis does have a good arm, but I wouldn't say it was a clear winner to JJ.

That throw to the sideline to CJ Carroll in the WVU game was a big boy throw. While no one is going to confuse JJ with Druckamiller, he had a decent arm.

How many Losses would I change for QB development? I guess it depends on how you define QB development - 1st team reps, or the benefits of a red shirt year on development. It takes me back the thinking of trading Tyrod's redshirt year for some W's in 2007. He was electric, but can you imagine if Tyrod had that extra year back after 2010? He had just really blossomed in his senior year (what should've been his red shirt junior year).

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If VT loses more than 3 games in 2019 with this schedule, there are systemic problems in the program, IMO. It's not just a "young defense" or "locker room issues" if we lose more than 3 games this season. It's big talent holes in the roster and coaching issues. No reason for this team to lose to more than 1 of the following... UNC, Duke, Pitt, UVA, BC... no reason... I'll give them one of those losses. 2? Cmon. Big issues with the program if so, IMO.

I hate to say this, but we're probably going to lose more than 3 games. So you might as well be prepared for that reality now.

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I don't know about that I'd put the line at 3 we have certainly pick up at least 1 loss between Miami and ND. Everyone else on our schedule is mediocre at best I'm gonna agree with DC we shouldn't be dropping those with the talent on this team.

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Hate to break it too you but our team is currently mediocre at best until proven otherwise...

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Notre Dame, Miami, BC or Pitt... who else are we losing to?? Wake? ODU? GT? Curious as to who you think we will lose to?

Notre Dame, Miami, BC or and Pitt

That is a very real possibility until our front 7 proves it can remotely slow down the run and our DBs can cover more than the grass.

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It also seems to be a consensus that Willis is a high floor, low ceiling type of QB.

You mixed up your QBs there. Josh Jackson is transferring to Maryland

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Eh. I think their ceilings are pretty similar based on what we've seen. They have different approaches to get there, but I don't think there's a major talent gap between them.

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I think Willis has a lower floor (interceptions, baby!) and a higher ceiling (downfield throws, baby!)

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I can agree with looking at it that way.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

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Jackson is much better than Willis at the read option. Jackson knew when to keep and when to hand off much more smoothly/effectively than Willis. Willis has a bigger arm and better deep ball though

But when JJ pulled it, he looked like he was trudging through wet concrete trying to run it.

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That run against WVU where he went like 50 yards felt like 30 seconds. That was the single greatest fake I have ever seen carried out on a read option.

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Willis vs UNC was pretty sweet too. Even fooled the camera man.

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I am not a huge Willis fan

Just out of curiosity, why is this?

Is it basketball season yet?

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decision making coupled with attitude. He makes crappy decisions all game, gets burned on some, gets bailed out on others, then drops shit like "scared money don't make money" with a shit eating grin on his face. This was the first season in a while where I started watching games with the assumption we'd lose. A lot of that falls on the defense, sure, but on the offensive side, it was because we had him at the helm.

I'm not saying the other guys would have been better. That's why my assumption in the post was that putting in anyone else would have resulted in fewer wins. I'm just saying he was the best of not great "right now" options and maybe putting in one of the others would have yielded a better option going into this season.

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I'm in a "wait and see" posture with Willis like I am with Fuente.

With Willis, he was thrown into the starting role after the JJ injury and, IMO, performed admirably despite not taking a ton of first team reps in practice up to that point. As to his

shit eating grin

I want my QB to have a "F - You" attitude... That is the kind of guy who gets things done.

I think his development for this upcoming season will tell us a great deal about both Willis and Fuente/Corn.

Is it basketball season yet?

Sports is the ultimate meritocracy in our society. Every player in the locker needs to buy into that otherwise there is no incentive to evolve as a player. The locker room is lost if their isn't a "fair process".

Imagine if we told Kyle Fuller, the Edmundi, Sam Rogers etc. that couldn't play because we wanted to "develop" higher recruited prospects.

Sam would have probably gone on to out work the entire time to prove he should play.

The issues with all meritocracy is that you have to have clearly defined stakes. I've been at companies where they got rid of some of their most knowledgeable staff because they didnt play well with others Being able to hire some one that will work with the team towards the goal is better than have the most knowledgeable. Just because you have the best arm doesnt mean you make the right decision. It's not clear cut.

We've already had our first losing season since the early 90s. We regressed from an ACC title shot two years ago, and haven't beaten GiT since Fuente took over. I'm done losing. Last year was our 2003. It's time to get back to our winning ways.

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Cool. I'll send the letter to Fuente and let him know he has to try now. That should clear all this up. The program is saved!

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Cool. I'll send the letter to Fuente and let him know he has to try now.

Look, I'm sure Fuente tried his absolute best last year. It's just that his best sucked.

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You're right. It had nothing to do with a decimated and young roster. Having 20% of our 50 highest rated players in program on the current team as freshmen and sophomores didn't contribute. It also sucks we have the 3rd best regular season record in the ACC over the last 3 years.

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It also sucks we have the 3rd best regular season record in the ACC over the last 3 years.

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So we can judge a coach but we can't bring up any of their accomplishments. Got it.

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Again...not what I said.

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You didn't say anything. You posted a passive aggressive pinterest quote to the information I had posted about how Fuente had achieved in the last 3 years.

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Actually, it really only pertained to the last sentence of your comment (as quoted).

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Having a discussion with you is like trying to reason with the Ackchyually meme personified. It's exhausting because you sidestep any challenge made against your arguments and instead try to obfuscate the point and bring the discussion down to a squabble over semantics.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

So I'm a nitpick (is basically what you're getting at). Ok. Absolutely own up to that. And just because I disagree with a point (or points) of a comment, doesn't mean I disagree with the whole dang thing. Also, I'm not trying to get into an argument necessarily. Just plain disagreeing with a thing here or there. This is TKP. I thought we were allowed to disagree with stuff on here but still be cool about it (kinda not getting that cool vibe from you or Nerd currently).

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We all know what the state of the roster was last year, and to a lesser extent it remains that way this year too. The thing is, a head NCAA head football coach's job isn't to coach, it's to manage a program. And the state of the program last year was dismal. Considering Fuente had been in Blacksburg for more than 2 1/2 years at the start of the 2018 season, that's on him.

I don't know if it was Joe or someone else who said it, but to paraphrase: Fuente has proven he can coach X's and O's at a high level. But the jury is still out on his ability to run a big-time college football program.

To be clear, I do believe VT will improve this year. And I'm not in any way calling for Fuente's job, barring a disastrous 2019. But the time for excuse making has passed.

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I'd agree he should have put his time machine to much better use.

When you know you're going to lose 5 starters to the draft and/or dismissed from the team in a season when you're already losing a ton of seniors, you should prepare.

There's just no need to try and build a roster with players that can run your offense when you know for a fact your defense is about to get decimated on a historic scale. He should have seen that coming.

When you know you're going to lose 5 starters to the draft and/or dismissed from the team in a season when you're already losing a ton of seniors, you should prepare.

Pray, tell, what should he have done that he didn't do? Magically convince more ppl to come to Tech than he already had? Maybe start using girls as prostitutes during visits? Hand out bags of money?

the problems with the program ran deep - especially at the end of the Beamer era. We all want to see a quick return to glory, but i'm sorry to say that it isn't going to happen next season. We need depth, and talented ones at that. Previously we had talent up front and our second string might as well been playing D III. Now, we're getting talent. We're raking it in slowly, year by year. Our most talented players this year are R-sophmores that Fuente brought it, and even then there's talented, but incredibly young depth behind them. So, if you're magically expecting to become like Bama or Clemson next year then you've got another thing coming.

All I can say is patience. If we suck after 3 years then i'm on board that we may need to go in a different direction. But not yet. Give it time to grow.

All I can say is patience. If we suck after 3 years then i'm on board that we may need to go in a different direction. But not yet. Give it time to grow.

He's had time (in a way, he STILL has time). Unfortunately, the team has regressed in the subsequent seasons since his 1st. We are now going into his 4th season (which, as you've said, is after 3 yrs). In mine, and a substantial number of other person's views 6-7 is not even enough to be considered mediocre. Other folks consider that to suck.
As of now, 2018 is Fuente's mulligan. He's completely overhauled the roster & pulled in his recruits. They have pretty much for all intents and purposes a cakewalk schedule coming up. The team is EXPECTED to DO BETTER this season. So fucking deliver.
Calls for firings, personal attacks and the like aside, they deserve the flack & doubt they're receiving. [insert sprinkles are for winners gif]. They wanna change the narrative? Great. Good. Fucking win. That'll help big time.

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It's almost like you didn't even read what I said...

Then neither did you for mine. Nowhere does it say I expect a "return to glory" this season. But it is more than reasonable to expect a better record than the previous season.

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It's honestly exhausting having to respond to MacGruber.

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I honestly wish you didn't. You contribute little to nothing outside of the same 20 or so unoriginal gifs, low brow humor, and a pretty embarrassing signature.

Maybe someone like DCWilson is more inflammatory than you, but at least they produce some novel thought.

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You contribute little to nothing outside of the same 20 or so unoriginal gifs, low brow humor, and a pretty embarrassing signature.

That's definitely subjective.

Besides, as I stated further up to Fencer, just because I disagree with a point (or points) in a comment, doesn't mean I disagree with the whole dang thing. No need for you to take or make it personal or as an attack.

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Replying to both this and Fencer's reply, you're just pedantic. Your disagreements read more like LOL YOU'RE WRONG than a well though out position supported with any evidence. This is an awesome place where you can disagree. I got 20 something legs for disagreeing with the OP about Willis.

You just, for lack of better terms, spray shit all over some threads. "Respect the signal to noise ratio." So many of your posts blatantly ignore this and you post them just to see what the post button does. Don't backpedal into "Nerd and Fencer are being mean to me and not respecting my opinion." You're pedantic, juvenile, and at best, a manual version of a spam bot.

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Have a modicum of class. I hope for your sake, if you have daughters, they don't have to deal with anyone in their lives who thinks that's okay. Besides you of course.

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You're pedantic, juvenile


Although I'd switch out juvenile for sophomoric (yeah I know, just proved a point), which I've freely admitted. And I'm ok with that.

and at best, a manual version of a spam bot.

That is also subjective.

You just, for lack of better terms, spray shit all over some threads.

Geez, what is it with you and butt stuff?

Have a modicum of class.

You posted a comment about "class" and then proceeded to put in this:

I hope for your sake, if you have daughters, they don't have to deal with anyone in their lives who thinks that's okay. Besides you of course.

That doesn't come across as very classy nor respectful. By the way, my wife and I do have 2 kids whom unfortunately for us are both in heaven because they did not make it to full term. Something I would not wish on my absolute worst enemy. So thanks for that.
It seems like you assign more emphasis on my lesser thought out comments and positions than you do on my stronger ones (which do exist on here). Part of it is how much I choose to put into it. The other part is how much you & others choose to assign whatever to it.

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Was pedantic the word of the day on your desk calendar?

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It was actually kibitzer. You should give it a google.

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and for the love of god man spell "Wahoos" right

sorry, I know that's not pertinent to anything. But it bugs the crap out of me every time I see it

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
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I think it's supposed to be read as "Wa-hoes" and he just spelled hoes wrong and i'm upset i'm having to give it this much attention.

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ugh my bad fam

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Much as it pains me to admit AXD has a valid point about, well, anything, in a way you're both right. Now that some time has passed and it's become easier to put last season in context, you can definitely argue that the strong upper classes in 2016 and 17 (along with some awful injury/attrition luck on defense) pushed the "growing pains" out to year 3, and now is when Fu has started to really have the chance to mold the program more in his image. I'm not 100% on this argument but whatever.

At the same time, 5 or 6 losses this year is unacceptable, especially when you put the above context on things.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Were clearly on the same page - as far as I am aware time machines do not exist - so coach Fuente would have no way of preparing for the losses in the defense, at least not to the level they were.

If our starting defense is

Webb/Farley/Watts/Ladler
Adonis
Floyd/Deablo
Te Edmunds
Mook
Tr Edumunds
Dax/Ashby
Mihota
Hill/Gaines
Settle
Walker

Were not even having any of these discussions - I dont see us going less than 8 wins last year. ODU wouldnt move the ball on us like they did and I see us winning 1 of Pitt, GT or BC.

I think the conversation would probably be more aligned with the topic of this thread - is Ryan Willis the guy ?

This is a senseless proposition. The 'ol "if x and y and z" would have happened, we would have been an an 8 or 9 win team. The pointless nature of this is that you could do do this for any team out there. So, if x and y and z" would have gone right for Miami, Pitt, ,ODO, etc, I guess they would have just beaten us by 55 points instead of 3 or 4 touchdowns. Yes, we had some bad luck with injuries, attrition, etc. Guess what? So did every other team. Ultimately, excuses are simply excuses. It's hard for me to envision VT being any better than a 7-5 team this year until I See evidence of that on the the field. While Fuente is taking steps to win, so is every other coach/team out there. If his vision/coaching/methods/recruiting are true, we we get there in time. But I'm sick of hearing the "if x and y and z" had gone differently, we would have won X games. Every team out there can Sam the same thing. Ultimately, you are what your record, and the results, say you are.

I mean I would agree if last year were a normal year. But it wasnt, its common sense and very clear why we went 6-7.

2017 Rushing Defensive Stats:
Yards Allowed: 1417 ranked 15th
Yards Allowed per Attempt: 3.3 ranked 6th
TDs Allowed: 6 ranked 2nd

2018 Rushing Defensive Stats:
Yards Allowed: 2478 ranked 105th
Yards Allowed per Attempt: 5.3 ranked 121st
TDs Allowed : 29 ranked 105th

I really dont think its that dramatic to think the projected lineup would not free fallen any where close to the dramatic fall the actual lineup took...We allowed 23 more rushing touchdowns than the prior year...twenty.three

So, assuming we have 2 more wins with the projected lineup, I think is fair...

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I usually avoid giving serious answers go questions like this; however, this intrigues me and it is something I have thought a lot about.

Ultimately my answer is that I would trade 1 or maybe 2 losses this year IF I was incredibly confident that what QP needed was game experience. At this point I am expecting Willis can/should get us 9-3 this year and I am expecting QP will get us 8-4 in 2020 versus a tougher schedule. IF there was a way to know that all QP needed is game time to elevate our 2020 team to 10-2 or better, I would take 8-4 this year to make that happen, especially since that would mean the possibility of a CFP appearance in 2021 is much more likely.

Ofcourse there is no way to know exactly what QP needs, so at the end of the day you roll out the team with the best chance of winning. My only point is I would trade 1 or maybe 2 losses this year if it guaranteed 10 wins in 2020 and playoff buzz going into 2021.

Maybe I wasn't clear in the OP, I was asking how many more losses LAST YEAR would we accept to feel more confident moving into this year.

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I am not a huge Willis fan, but he certainly just managed to keep the bowl and LOLUVa streaks alive

This is a bit of revisionist history. It was the defense that nearly ended the bowl and Commonwealth Cup streak. What Willis did statistically was more than respectable, especially coming in as the backup.

The proper question to ask is how many loses are we willing to endure for defensive player development, and I'm hoping the answer to that was 7 loses, all last season.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Fuente has had three of the top 6 QB's statistically under his watch. Can't wait to see what he does with finally have it a QB spend two years as the starter.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Given the seemingly manageable schedule this year - Hokies have a good chance to be favored in around 9 games - there is no reason to think about QB development over wins. If Willis can have a decent season, all of the other critical offensive players will gain valuable experience as a byproduct. Add a hopefully improved defense, and momentum starts to shift.

When I think back to the passing of the torch from Tyrod to Logan Thomas - so much of LT's early success had to do with the great/experienced skill-players (Wilson, Coale, Boykin, etc.) and great defense that he inherited. He was a physical freak and talented in how own ways, but proved to be a limited overall QB when those things went away.

Whether it's QP, Hendon, etc. who succeeds Willis in 20/21 - the development of everyone else is going to mean more than the individual development of the next QB.

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VT is willing to trade the loss to FSU in the Sigar bowl for just about anything. I dont know why'd some one to take a loss away from us but sure.

I just want to see our offense score more than 4 touchdowns against d1 teams. More than twice in a season. Please.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I disagree on the entire premise that JJ was the better QB. I think he was the safe option, but Willis far and away has the higher potential. I also disagree with the narrative that Willis is some kind of DB; I grew super tired of JJ's poor body language and leadership as our supposed QB1 when the going got rough. And he obviously didn't want to stick around and compete for a spot this year after Willis took hold of the job. I can't defend any stance singing JJ's praises at this point. And QP has talent but is a raw, unfinished product. I'm tired of this Willis disrespect and can't wait to see him put on a show this year, because there's no one on this roster who will unseat him.