Chad Morris out at Arkansas

After only 22 games at Arkansas Chad Morris has been fired at Arkansas. The carousal is starting to pick up speed...

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Think he wants to be an OC again....?

I wonder if he gave up playcalling at Arkansas

I was looking forward to a half time dismissal, yesterday.

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I support this.

Yeah, let's replace the Def Coord AND the Off Coord just as a young team is finding itself.

Good god, the things people actually believe are good ideas...

Well, the defensive coordinator has to be replaced.

Are you arguing that the OC is doing a good job?

Thanks for the profound insight that the Def Coord HAS to be replaced.

But I'll repeat. It's incredibly short-sighted and foolish to replace coordinators on BOTH sides of the ball with a young team that is beginning to understand the system and find its way.

I'm also not the typical reactionary, never-satisfied fan and I think the OC has been fine considering the hand he has been playing this year. And we're starting to see that manifest itself.

I would say he has done an adequate job when #2 is taking snaps. When #5 and #4 are in....ehhh

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Exactly. I think 5 is mostly on 5. He is incapable of making the correct read on any sort of read option more times than not, and he is a turnover machine. The general unwillingness to let 4 air it out though was annoying to me. He threw some beautiful balls against UNC.

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but elsewhere on the boards here there were multiple people excoriating Corny for calling deep passing plays early against ND when it was windy

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What you just described is a dereliction of coaching duty.

Calling deep passing plays for an inexperienced passing QB in windy conditions is a bad idea and Cornelson should feel bad for doing it.

Calling for a coach to let a kid throw the ball is not the same as calling for a coach to let a kid throw the ball on multiple low percentage routes.

you must have a different definition of "let 4 air it out" than i do, then

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Criticising coaching that took a guy previously getting 3rd string reps and about a year early on his development schedule and still took ranked Notre Dame to the wire is unfair at best

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Still could have been better.

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Should have been better....we went 3 and out on the first what 7 drives?

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I brought this up in another thread, but when we were up 17-14 and in the red zone, here were the playcalls:

1st and 10: pass (incompletion)
2nd and 10: pass (incompletion)
3rd and 10: quarterback draw (not enough to get 10 yards).

End result: field goal to go up by 6 rather than 9. Notre Dame wins 21-20.

If I remember correctly, we moved the ball down the field mostly running the ball all the while killing time. Not sure why Cornelsen thought it was a good idea to move away from it once we got within striking distance.

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If I remember correctly, we moved the ball down the field mostly running the ball all the while killing time

Sorry to say you remember very incorrectly. We ran 4 times for 11 yards on that drive (5 of them being the 3rd and 10 play you mentioned) and passed 5 times for 65 yards. Most of the yardage on the drive was a 50 yard catch and run by Tre.

Honestly you can find posts on here complaining about literally every single offensive play and play calling sequence. There was plenty of complaining about not letting QP throw enough. Refute that and it's more about the types of throws. Refute that and it's that we only throw on obvious passing downs. None of those applied in this situation but the end result wasn't what we wanted so obviously the play calling must have sucked and we should have ran the ball.

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You are so right. The final three ND plays that beat us were similar too. It is so easy to second guess a failed result.

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Thanks for clarifying. I still think it's ridiculous to call those sequence of plays in that position. It makes no sense to me.

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Why though? What QP had shown up until that point is that his most effective pass is the fade. TD to Hazelton against UNC and also earlier in the game against ND. Mix that in with the fact that he wasn't nearly as effective on the ground against ND as we was against UNC because of the defense that ND was running. 9 in the box leaving one on one matchups against our WR. Do you really think we would have had success calling QB power on first and second down instead of fade routes?

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You're assuming the QB power is the only running play we could have run on first and second down. We could have run read option, we could have run the QB sweep, etc. This also still doesn't account for the fact that we ran a quarterback draw on 3rd and 10. Simply put, it was a bad stretch of playcalling. Cornelsen has improved recently, but his playcalling in the red zone on that drive is a big reason why we settled for a field goal to only go up by six points rather than nine.

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It isn't a bad stretch of play calls. QP had the best chance to succeed in passing (fade) on run down defenses and running on passing down defense. I don't think anybody is accounting for how limited QP is at this point. Credit should be given for being aggressive when we could have settled for three runs and a field goal. The result ended up being the same but it wasn't for the lack of good play calls.

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I think the plays and players we have would do fantastic in a Chad Morris offense. Fuente was the runner up for the job at Clemson, and Dabo has stated many times that their offenses weren't that different.

Also, look what happened when Fuente took over with Beamers recruits. Year one, was probably one of the most successful offenses we have ever had!

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If the offenses aren't that different, what's the point of bringing Morris in?

Because offensive schemes are only half the job duties.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

If I were to give you the plays, do you think you could call the game?

If I were to give the same plays to 5 other TKPers would they call the same game?

The answer is undoubtably no.

Chad Morris is an offensive play calling genius and Cornelsen isn't in the same ball park.

It would be an easy transition.

All that being said he will get another head coaching job at like Arkansa State or something rebuild his reputation and get another shot.

That or Saban picks him up and puts him in the drivers seat on offense.

Saban has had multiple people run his offense in the past 4 years and it hasn't really hurt him has it?

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Is he really a genius? I bet there is a strong correlation between talent and product. I believe he was a good recruiter if I remember correctly but like so many other arguments on here, it seems those talents didn't translate as well to Arkansas. I haven't followed him closely since leaving Clemson, so maybe I'm all wrong.

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His recruits at SMU are just coming into fruition this year. For the most part their team is constructed of his recruits. They were terrible before he came in. It took time to turn them around.

I couldn't tell you what happened with Arkansas, but it seems that he needed to get his players in there.

I think our personelle fits his offensive style, so the transition would be easy.

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Wait, what? What is the point in bringing in better coaches?

We're asking questions like this when we've seen first hand this season what better coaching does to improve our offense?

And that's not even touching on recruiting capabilities.

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Everyone keeps dreaming about him coming to VT but we all know what's going to happen. "Offensive play calling consultant" for Nick Saban. Alabama is gonna have to build another suite to hold their support staff

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I don't understand this thought of hiring this guy as our OC. I understand the angst with Corn but he called a pretty great game yesterday. He had his ups and downs (far more downs) early in the season but I think with HH as the QB it really opens the playbook up and Corn is getting more comfortable with the plays he can call with HH in. I'm willing to give Corn a little more time especially with the way HH is developing and becoming a key part of the offense.

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Morris also had some damn good players during his time and Clemsons offense actually got better the year he left and has been sustained since

Muschamp is trying his best to be the next HC without a job.

Which is weird, because nobody could have seen it coming when he was hired.

Yea, this had to be the stupidest hire of the 2015/2016 off season. Muschamp failed at one of the two premiere programs in the SEC East, and for some reason, SCar thought he would do better in the same division at a school with less resources? LOLSCar.

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New defensive coordinator anyone?

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I don't see it happening, look at where's he's coached so far; LSU, Auburn, Texas, Florida, SCar. He's a top tier DC, and not coaching anywhere other than a premier program.

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Probably right. He is a good defensive coordinator though, not a great head coach.

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rumors are swirling that Cornelsen might leave for what reason I don't know. Chad Morris would be a nice hire but even Clemson might need an OC if theirs moves for a HC job.

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Only way I would support this if Corny left on his own. Otherwise I want Corny to be our OC and not fired.

Which brings up the question: are Hokies unique in the amount of vitriol we spit at an OC or is that part and parcel with the job?

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We average 29.8 points a game this year, same as last season, 28.2 in 2017, and 35 in 2016. Compare that with stinespring we were almost always over 30 ppg.

Now we are play 2 true frosh on the line, we have fr and so all over the offense. So in theory we should be better next year. But really we hired an offensive coach and are no better off on the offensive end. Now we are better than the Loeffler years.

I agree that 29.8 across the whole season is disappointing. However, I knew we were doing better offensively, but until I just ran the numbers I didn't realize that we averaged 23.25 ppg with Willis as starter and 35 with anyone else (38.8 for Hooker's 4 games). so, with the right guy under center, it would appear that mid-30's is a reasonable expectation for Corn-Fu (since Jerod and Hooker are their types of QBs).

I kinda want to see us run the score up on the other Tech this weekend because a) fuck em, and b) I want to see how much of a ridiculous spread we can look back on in the off season when comparing Willis vs. non-Willis games.

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What were the ppg with and without Willis at starter in both seasons?

Through the magic of the inter web:

2018:
Willis: 26.7
Other: 40.3

2019:
Willis: 23.3
Other: 35.5

Combined:
Willis: 14 games 360 pts 25.7 ppg
Other: 9 games 333 pts 37.0 ppg

Almost as many points in ~50% fewer games without Willis at QB.

LOL at your 2018 data set....

Other (JJ) started: UD - 27 pts, FSU 24 pts, W&M - 61pts, and ODU - 35pts....
Willis Started: Every ACC game except FSU, playing only Marshall and CInncy in the Bowl games

Willis was an issue the offense was not just magically good last year without Willis. The offense certainly looks to be better but they've got a lot of ground to make up with how absolutely questionable they were up until Hooker took the reigns before I'm comfortable saying Corn is a decent OC.

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"If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again." - dcwilson

Delware was a 2017 game, but it shows up when you google 2018 Virginia Tech Football for some reason. The three games JJ started were FSU, W&M, and ODU.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Thanks, Google always does me the dirty like that and I forget to check the date.

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"If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again." - dcwilson

I don't know that the 2018 numbers are meaningful. He got snaps and accounted for points in both W&M and ODU games, which you (ostensibly) counted as "Other" in your average.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

the most damning thing about this? Against the murderer's row of BC, ODU, Furman, and Duke, our best showing relative to the season average points allowed was besting FCS Furman's average by 4.6 points.

Opponent Avg. Points Allowed VT Scored Diff
BC 32.1 28 -4.1
ODU 28.2 31 2.8
Furman 19.4 24 4.6
Duke 27.2 10 -17.2

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More fun from the internet (2019 stats):

Catagory Ranking PPG Conference Rank
Scoring Offense 64th 29.8 6th
Scoring Offense Sept 99th 23.3 12th
Scoring Offense Oct 13th 39.7 3rd
Scoring Offense Nov 66th 28.0 7th
Scoring Off. against FBS winning 20th 32.7 3rd
Scoring Offense against P5 26th 31.8 5th
Scoring Off. against conference 44th 31.8 5th
Scoring Off. against FBS losing 86th 28.0 8th
Scoring Offense against G5 94th 25.5 9th
Scoring Offense at Home 84th 29.7 8th
Scoring Offense on Road 40th 30 5th

Couple key stats to go with that:

Scoring Offense w/ Willis as QB: 23.25 ppg; 104th in the country (vs BC, ODU, Furman and Duke)

Scoring Offense w/ Hooker as QB: 38.75 ppg; 11th in the country, 2nd in ACC (vs Miami, URI, UNC, WF)

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How much of that offensive point average was Defensive generated points under Stiney?

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I don't know but both the Miami game and Wake game had a lot of scoring benefited by defense getting great field position. 1 play 7 yards for a TD is always a nice drive.

10 mil buyout and they are still paying fat boy Bret! Nothing but cash!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Could always be Charlie Weis, who over his career was paid more not to coach then to coach.

Smart business man

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Really hope we don't run off Corny and hire a worse OC.

I'm not sure I'd want Chad Morris to be our OC simply because his name anagrams to Horrid Scam and I really don't want that juju around our program

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

counterpoint: we have done quite well with a DC who's name anagrams to "Debt For Us"

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counter-counterpoint: we have done quite well with a DC whose name anagrams to Robust Def

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Makes sense: the best offense is a robust defense

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You are what your record says you are. He can call offensive ball plays. He can't coach a team. He will land as an OC somewhere

I sense this trend where younger OCs are eccentric, idiot savant (and sometimes asshole) types who aren't very good coaches or teachers or recruiters.

Loeffler
Corn
Chad Morris
Matt Canada
Kendall Briles

Anyone care to expand the list? Am I wrong?

Lincoln Riley????????????

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm not sure Loeffler is a good OC. His play calling seemed lacking. He loved to call tricky drive killing plays all the time.

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I was at this game. Arkansas started with the ball in the second half and I told myself, if they drive down and score on us, I am leaving.

Then we torched 'em for two quarters. It was biblical.

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We literally broke Arkansas.

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Package deal??? His son decommitted as well. We offered him and we're one of the few schools that offered him with a 2020 QB in the class. He's pretty good.

Commence the mass QB exodus to the portal if that happens. No top tier recruit is coming to VT if the OC's son is the starter.

I don't follow the recruiting too closely, but do we have a significant number of top tier QB recruits on a regular basis?

QP and A Ford were both Elite 11. Hooker was a 4*. Lawson was a 4*. So we've got a few.

Andrew Ford was not Elite 11 finals. Our QB recruiting had been so poor back then that the excitement was over a guy in a regional Elite 11 camp.

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It would appear I stand corrected. Hope that RB wants to follow him.