Non-Film Review Wake Forest Observations

1) Special teams stunk early. There appeared to be some personnel changes as the game moved on. Keshawn King came in for Wheatley on kick return. Tavion Robinson replaced Grimsley on punt return. There were also some changes in the wedge blockers. In the third quarter, I noticed walk on tight end Cole Blaker from Narrows doing a good job. I would love to see some more depth guys winning jobs on teams to reduce wear and tear on starters and gain some game-speed experience.

2) Related, this may have been the fewest snaps I saw from Dalton Keene all season. VT was just as effective when Mitchell was in with three receivers- in fact Wake was more passive against the run with that personnel grouping. Keene had a handful of highlight reel blocks, but I am sure less wear and tear, especially after having to run the ball, was a welcome respite for Keene.

3) Bassham was a monster. And, when you watch a second time, you realize that VT ran away from him a bunch more than they ran at him. He was great pursuing the play- not just the Hooker fumble. He made several tackles on the opposite side of the field from where he lined up. Boy, he would look good in maroon and orange right now.

4) Garbutt's best game at VT. With his twitch, he should be creating way more pressure. It finally started happening.

5) While Ashby should play, the defense looked mighty good with Tisdale spying Newman and Dax blitzing from the mike spot when Ashby got dinged up.

6) Becton was getting work where Griffin normally would be playing. I also didn't see Griffin on special teams. Has anyone reported Griffin being injured?

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OL maintained their aggressive posture. Wake Forest stunted and slanted a bunch. When the OL stayed on their paths, they were aggressive and beat up the Wake front minus Basham. The mistakes were rare. Outside of pass protection issues against stunts on the right side, all the mistakes were aggressive and the kind you live with as a coach.

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Tenuta seems to be a major presence in the run game. Excited to watch him keep developing.

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You've been critical of how Vice teaches blocking, specifically the technique, in the past. Are we seeing technique changes, or just better effort/better execution?

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Change in techniques- much more attacking and aggressive. The footwork is the same, but they are not catching anymore.

Pitt will be a huge challenge. Pitt stunts a ton and has a great DL. These kids have to play at the same speed and when they see yellow, don't think. Smash.

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French, you think this might be a Kill effect?

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I still find it very suspicious that Coach Corn said in the Kill press conference that he was open to advice on OL technique specifically. I also cannot find a vid of him saying it on VT athletics youtube after I remember watching it live... Was it cut?https://youtu.be/54WYG8DeyUw

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The 3rd and two false start on Cannon after the Crawford INT was very nit-picky. Wake's WR's were moving early a bunch. I didn't like that call.

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Wakes OGs got similar jumps on pulls a lot during the game. Thought they should have got a flag to even it out.

That 5-Yds on Cannon cost us points.

Yep

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Agreed. I didn't see a false start live so I rewound the play and it was not even close to as egregious as what is routinely allowed.

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I completely forgot about the new fair catch rule which brings the ball out to the 25. I flipped a bit when he fair caught the ball at the two.

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Ashby took a vicious head shot right to the base of his neck on a 3rd quarter screen. I still struggle with the new rules around blocking on screens. No. 71 leaked out and hit Ashby helmet first at the base of Ashby's neck.

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Why would that not be considered targeting?

Because the refs missed it.

Silly rabbit! The offense can't be called for targeting. Only the defense can, even though most of the helmet to helmet contact is initiated by offensive players. Why would you think the rule would be applied to ALL football players? /s

So...like pass interference?

Basham is another kid that is playing well now but the fans would be in a uproar if offered a scholarship.

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Yes and no.

Basham signed in 2016; essentially Fuente's "zero year" of Recruting. We had a number of late signees that year that were rated as-low or lower on 247. I think the expectations were lower in Recruiting then than they are now. I don't think signing Basham in '16 would have caused much if any uproar.

The discontent/concern with current Recruiting reflects a couple things, IMHO:
1) as compared to the 17/18/19 classes the average ranking is down
2)odd roster management, even this year, the class is super-heavy on RB and CB
3)persistent missing on top targets - Ford, Powell, Lambert, ect.

In truth, a lot of teams missed on Basham, it is notable that he has gained 50 lbs from H.S. and has not appeared to lose any athleticism--that is hard to predict. The difference is you could almost throw a rock from Northside H.S. and hit VT campus--combined with lack of depth on the DL, it hurts more.

The current DL coach and DC were on staff prior to 2016 and didn't offer him and didn't offer him to help fill the 2016 class I don't think he was a miss when you look at who actually did offer him, no one saw him becoming what he did.

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I think that's kind of the point...the Defensive Staff was here in 2016 and didn't sign a guy who played 35 min from your campus and has been outstanding in the ACC and has a real strong possibility of being Drafted...that's a miss.

And it plays into the concern with the 2020 Class--if we should only be signing guys with lots of P5 offers...we certainly haven't done that this year.

Long and short, Basham has obviously developed into a much better player than he was seen as in H.S., but no major program had more opportunity to scout and evaluate him than VT. Lots of schools may have missed on him, but we had a unique Geographical advantage and also a need at that position. It stings.

Time will tell if the Staff has identified a number of underrated guys in the 2020 class that will blossom into big performers at the ACC level.

We can look at it now and say it was a miss but back then no. You have to look at it in context. I'm sure they looked at him and for whatever reasons decided not to offer him. It wasn't like he was a highly rated 4 start that we wiffed on. However how many 4 star players have we gotten that haven't panned out?

Sometimes guys do a lot better than expected, which is the case with Basham. But at the time it wasn't a "miss". Looking back at where we are with depth and how he's playing now it looks like a miss.

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This reasoning is why I'm not sure why Seth Greenberg continues to get killed for only offering Stephen Curry a walk-on spot...no one knew he was going to become THE steph curry.

Because Seth Greenberg was and is a prick. And because hindsight is 20/20. But, mostly he is a prick.

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No one knew he was going to be The Steph Curry, but I am sure that Greenberg may have seen his father's tape, same body type, looked like he was gangly, but was a hell of an athlete. I saw him throw a baseball 90 mph in college. Dude was a lights out shooter. He could have at least tried Steph for a year. Damn, his father and Frank played golf together.

Greenberg was a huge A Hole. This over simplifies the discussion. The kid wasn't a nobody, we offered a 5'7" pg who was ranked higher for no apparent reason and Greenberg promised an offer and then jerked around the family at the last second.

He handled the situation poorly so you are focused on the what happened and I would argue you should be equally focused on how we treated the best player in schools history and his family who was an ardent supporter.

Hence why nobody wants him to coach at a big time program - total jerk who didn't value VT.

I guarantee you given the same circumstances and situation CMY offers him.

I don't believe he jerked the family around at all. My understanding was that Steph was offered a preferred walk on or gray shirt with a scholarship the next year. Dell was ok with it, but Mama Curry told Steph he deserved better. He went to Davidson and the rest is history. I honestly believe Steph is Steph now because he was not coached by Greenberg.

Not accurate. Watch the Curry family interviews. Also, this was common knowledge and put stress on Dell's relationship with VT as whit was hit with how it was handled.

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Greenberg's quote

We scouted him in high school and recognized his potential, but we didn't have an available scholarship for him to play his freshman season due to several early commitments. We did offer him a four-year scholarship with plans for him to redshirt his first year at school. ... His decision to attend Davidson and be coached by Bob McKillop turned out to be a great choice for his career.

And the Curry Family point of view.

The basketball pragmatist in Dell — he played 16 NBA seasons — recognized Tech's roster restrictions. The mother in Sonya was not as understanding.

We can agree to disagree. That isn't first hand info. There was always more to the story and it's hard to argue that Greenberg crashed and burned at the end. SB is a POS who is so stubborn it was the demise of the basketball program under his tenure.

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it is notable that he has gained 50 lbs from H.S. and has not appeared to lose any athleticism--that is hard to predict.

The guys who are mad we didn't offer Basham are the same guys who are mad we didn't offer Stephan Curry.

Did someone say Stephen Curry?

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actually he said stephan curry

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I didn't even know who Basham was, but I'm mad we didn't offer Stephan Curry. I was mad before he became Stephan Curry.

It's Dell's kid. He get's a spot. Beamer understood this. (See Bruce Smith's kid, Alston.) Greenberg did not.

Leonard. Duh.

It's Dell's kid. He get's a spot. Beamer understood this. (See Bruce Smith's kid, Alston.) Greenberg did not.

A lot easier to give away a scholarship when you have 85 to give out vs. 13.

It's Dell's kid. That's easy enough.

Leonard. Duh.

One scholarship to give and your giving it to a poorly ranked kid that no other P6 conference is offering instead of a top 50 kid?

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It's Dell's kid!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Your a coach at a top conference and you have a single scholarship to offer. He was offered a PWO option that's more than any other top conference school was even willing to do. Say he was offered a highly rare basketball scholarship and didn't play well at all how is that going to play to your fans and bosses?

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I'm a coach at Virginia Tech, and the son of the man who is 2nd in scoring all time, and 1st in most double digit games, AND delivered us the heads of the vaulted Memphis State Tigers on a platter wants a scholarship, he gets a scholarship.

I know I take that chance. I'd be like Beamer that way... Get the whole family. Genetics is real.

Leonard. Duh.

This is always how I console myself. Though I thought Stephen was recruited by Stokes

And Basham never would have put on 50 pounds if he came here so it's probably the best for him too

Writing off 2016 is a lame excuse and playing the result. 1. all of the top prospects sign late and there are dozens of "flips" every year. 2. Evans, Diablo, Floyd, Josh Jackson, Belmar, Hewitt, Dzani, Brian Johnson are all part of that class and contributed. You could argue Evans is Fuente's best offensive player yet. You can't have it both ways.

I need some more info on basham. Growing up in Roanoke in the 1980s I played sandlot football and basketball with the basham brothers. Bernard was on the 1988? Ph team with George lynch and Percy Covington and Curtis Blair who won the state championship in b-ball (beat Indian river and Alonzo morning in the semifinals). Bernard went on to play football for vt in the early 90s. His younger brother Tim basham was also an excellent athlete who played college ball. I've got to think maybe there's some family connection with boogie basham. Anyone have anymore info on this?

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Not from Roanoke, but Bernard was one of the founding fathers of Beamerball...whenever we'd block a kick in the early 90s, Bernard almost always got it...guy has hops

It'd be nice to see Becton do well. The dude looks the part.

I haven't heard anything on Griffin. He had been doing pretty well. Reps this season would be good for his future.

French - thanks! Very interesting game to evaluate. would love your take on any of the below you care to comment on:
1) Cb's didn't look out of place in playing press man - even Chatman. Yes, WF made a few plays, but they couldn't seem to consistently create separation. Do we think that is a sign of things to come from a game plan standpoint? I think this would particularly help us against UVA to be able to limit Perkins via varying pressures.
2) Hooker likes agile when running and it seems Hazelton comes to block when H2 is the QB - have you seen the same thing?
3) King looks raw, but electric at RB when carrying the ball. However, he seems limiting in his blocking at this stage. Does him being in the game somewhat Telegraph our play calling right now?

I hope the O line continues to improve and play aggressive. The young talent we have is very encouraging for the long haul!

1) corners played great in man. No complaints. Against good WRs and a good QB, you will get beat sometimes. The first Surratt TD was a spectacular individual effort against an almost perfect defensive call.

2) Hazelton blocked well. If there was a weak link at WR blocking, it was Robinson.

3) King doesn't let the play develop and leaves yards out there. But he has breakaway talent. Fortunately, they did enough to establish that he could pop out in the flat so Wake couldn't just tee off when he was in.

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Makes sense on King - thanks! I really hope our D line can continue to win by committee down the stretch as that will give us some margin for error.

One of the things I thought I noticed is our edge blocking seemed to stay more engaged longer on the sweeps and screen game which is a sign of effort and understanding.

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I'm going with just you. The plays on Saturday were not sprint plays (ex. The screen play he took 30 yards and utilized the blocking well). If you want an example of his running ability at 255 lbs+ look at him almost outrunning a safety with an angle in the Miami game on the deep ball.

What's up with that run delay thing that Wake does...where the running back and QB just stand there for a few beats before the running back takes the a ball and starts running? Never scene that. Didn't seem to work. Did we know that was coming?

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Waiting for the route to develop downfield for the RPO.

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They're also forcing the LB/Safety (whomever is being read) to declare what he's doing before the QB pulls or gives the ball.

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It's an RPO with a bit of a delay to let things develop downfield but also see who the defensive backfield is keying in on. Seemed like the boys had some initial issues with it, but after a few series they did a much better job minimizing any impact it might have.

Wake has been doing that all year, giving plays time to develop and read the defense. They've done it with success until yesterday.

What was the reason it failed against us then? Simply good coverage down field?

I'm not as adept as French is at breaking down plays, but having been there i thought the front seven did a good job of getting pressure and forcing Newman to make quicker decisions than he's used to. Also, it seemed like they didn't run a lot of plays to the perimeter and challenge the defense laterally...their offense seemed very north and south to me.

it's almost like a football version of the houston rockets. it either works perfectly and there's nothing the opposing team can do, or it falls apart incredibly fast and you find yourself down 2 scores with no groove at all.

Good coverage and a DL crawling up his back made a difference.

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I don't know what the long mesh helps with thing schematically but I could see it throwing off timing and be difficult to defend.

We played them VERY welL, if you watched them in other games this season, they were "lethal" (too soon?)

I thought they were going to be a much harder game for us than Notre Dame honestly.

It helps to have a 6'5" QB who can see the field. I would imagine it would be kinda messy with a 6'0" QB or, say, a 6'4" QB who can't run the RPO to save his life....

I've watched a number of Wake games this year (generally I like to watch future opponents when I can), and they've been doing it from the start. We were absolutely prepared for it though, at least conceptually. Fuente mentioned it either in his Monday press conference or on TTL as something they'd been watching, and after seeing it a few times our D seemed to have no trouble stopping it.

Honestly, when I was watching the replay I was pretty impressed that our D got them to almost entirely stop using it down the stretch on plays that mattered, mainly bc it's been their bread and butter all year. There are a good number of WF run plays in the second half where they just went with a normal RPO timing (and we still stopped them), which I count as a win (outside of our actual win, which I also count as a win).

I actually noticed this earlier in the year when I watched them. Can't remember who it was against but it was weirdly working.

... Not yesterday. Lol

And Im willing to bet it doesnt work against Clemson this week either.

French, coming out of the game with Louisville all I heard about was how great their QB is and how they've got a great trio of WRs that were going to give us a hard time. While I saw some nice throws and catches from WF, I didn't see a team that gave Louisville so many issues. Any particular reason why?

For one they were missing WR Washington.

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Washington's absence certainly helped. I also don't know why there wasn't more of an effort to get Newman to the edge. But, the way Wake tried to run the ball and the lack of a speed guy who could get to the edge on counters really hurt them.

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How did our ability to be very physical and not get called for pass interference all game long help? The refs were very lenient and my first thoughts is that really messed with timing and probably WF was expecting to get more of the calls down field

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That always helps when you play man. But, pressure forced Newman to rarely give his WR a chance.

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Sort of feels like a recipe for the rest of the year - just me. If our LB's struggle in coverage and our CB's excel in coverage with our safeties improving figure out ways to mix up pressures to force the QB to speed up his decisions.

Here is a big observation. I can't recall the Hokies running a single fade route, despite Wake Forest showing lots of man coverage. However, Turner had a nice catch on a deep out route isolated against man. Hazelton sat down in a zone and had a nice catch. Everything else was either a screen or a quick curl in front of soft man. That in itself is growth from where they were against BC running verticals into a soft cover 4 over and over.

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Only fade route I remember was the missed 2 point conversion to Hazelton.

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Which was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. One of the few calls I had a problem with all day.

I was yelling the same thing in the stands... No fades, no back shoulders against Wake

I hated the Mitchell sweep for a touchdown as a play call. If 45 makes the tackle, it is a big loss on first down and a momentum killer. It was a little too cute and well scouted by Wake. Fortunately, 45 missed Mitchell, and the trio of tight end Tenuta, Keene, and Darrisaw mugged the right side of the Wake defense.

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I thought the same thing...we've seen it 4 maybe 5 times this year near the goal line and they were ready for it. Might need to table that play for the year

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Yeah it's worked 3 out of 4 times, but I remember it bit us in the ass early against Duke. We had run the exact play the week before.

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I noticed when we ran it vs Miami the same thing happened - one defender knifed through but couldn't get to Mitchell. Is it possible that's by design to leave a back side defender unblocked and rely on Mitchell to outrun him, so you can commit more hats to the play side? Only works on the goal line because the defender has to knife in at a bad angle - if he goes lateral across line of scrimmage to stop the play for a 2-yard gain, it's too late. I don't know, just a thought given we've seen it happen twice and we scored on both.

We do seem to love that formation at the goal line this year. Maybe the coaches feel that between throwing the fade, Mitchell sweep, RB up the middle, and HH keeper opposite Mitchell jet sweep side all from the same formation that there's too much for the D to worry about with such short distance?

The defender knifed through because King whiffed on him.

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King was blocking our own linemans back on that play. If he gets a hat on that defender, Mitchell could walk in with his eyes closed.

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rewatch the play. king blocked with his eyes closed. if he just gets a piece of 45, Mitchell walks in untouched. king literally blocked the back of one of our Oline men.

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It's kind of sad this is the year Bud's retiring...with 10/11 starters coming back next year (and with the best recruit in the history of the Fuente era to replace our only senior), I really feel like 2020 is going to be a special year and we really need Bud at the helm of our defense to to make that a reality.

Also if he stayed on for one more year, it would have been his 25th year as defensive coordinator which would have been a cool nod to Beamer.

I agree but on the other hand that job is incredibly attractive with young experienced players across the board.

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For $150K a year, I'd listen to offers. I don't like the stress of coaching.

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I don't know how you get on a short list for those positions, but you'd be perfect for a support staff role studying your team's mistakes/opposing film. I'm sure some top P5 teams are throwing $150k at a few top support staff guys. Less coaching stress with no on field responsibilities, but your services would be extremely valuable.

I am hardly qualified for that kind of gig. But, in order to leave whatever security I have with my current job, that's the number it would take to get me thinking about it. I have been out of the game since the my last game as a player.

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French - what do you think of our use of slot WRs vs other teams?

Both UNC and Wake beat us for big plays by isolating their slot WR against Connor on a double move, and Deablo couldn't quite get over in time. It was a TD to Newsome for UNC, and a huge gain on 3rd and 10 for Wake by #2.

Do our slot guys not have the speed to run past opposing nickel corners? Or is Connor not quite as fast as most nickel corners (albeit a good player overall and very good in the run game), and other teams have found a weakness to attack?

This is the main thing that concerns me for UVA. Their skill position players are nothing special except for Joe Reed in the slot.

Most teams which use a nickel, they use a twitchy man to man corner. Those guys tend to struggle a bit in run alley responsibilities. Foster used corners (Kyle, Kendall, Stroman) for awhile when he abandoned playing a linebacker at whip. Ladler was a corner initially. Conner is the first true heavy shouldered safety to take on the role.

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I don't know this for a fact but my eyes tell me Connor has been a little dinged up. It's a fine line for most players at the P5 level between playing well and getting used. Never underestimate the impact of injuries on performance.

If he was dinged, and was noticeably struggling, it was odd that Ladler didn't get more run.

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Perhaps. But Ladler hasn't exactly been great (...2 great plays vs UNC aside).

He's been struggling with a hamstring since UNC

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Thank you. I thought something looked a little off recently for Connor.

Special teams seem to be one of our liabilities. I find it hard to look when we are receiving punts, and during field goal tries. I have also been a little disppointed that we have not Tried to block more opposing team's punts. Are we just stretched too thin?

Punting doesn't suck though.

I'm much more disappointed in the roughing to blocked punts ratio than the overall lack of blocked punts.

My favorite play of the day from my perch in the cozy confines of Section 10 was the hit #38 (Amare Barno?) laid on a Wake Forest dude on a kickoff. That was textbook setting the tone.

He got dapped up pretty good by his brothers on the sideline for that one.

Leonard. Duh.

On Wake's No. 10? I also saw that.

One thing that puzzled me was why didn't Basher try to block our last punt? He beat the block, then it looked like he just stood there and watched Bradburn kick it. Seemed odd when they were down two scores to let a chance like that slip by. I'm glad he didn't block it, of course, but that was odd.

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I wondered this too, but he made have felt overly cautious about a running into the kicker and psyched himself out. We only needed a few yards and a penalty would have been really been a back breaker.

While I wish Bud could coach forever, I'd rather set the new guy up for success rather than leave the cupboard bare.

Edit- this was meant to be a reply to SevenLayers post above. I should stop TKPing on my phone.

Anybody notice that Hooker took the Victory formation snap in the shotgun? I know that is the base offense, but I thought that was pretty interesting.

If you arent used to taking snap under center then you don't want top mess that up. Play like you practice. However, I'm a huge fan of practicing taking snaps from center, goaline plays are better under center.

Especially QB Sneaks. Tom Brady of all people shows how successful they can be, even when the defense knows what is coming.

I still think if choosing teams Newman is my number 1 QB from the ACC, however, he is a senior and I think Hooker and the UNC guy will be better, maybe even next year. William's at Miami is doing well too. Except for Harris at Duke we've made a lot of QBs have their worst game this season, even with them throwing all over us.

Basham was everywhere, I didnt notice him against FSU or UNC, but wasnt watching closely, however based on our game I expect ACC honors.

McClease has been playing his ass off. So glad he came back. His blocking has been great, his running is good enough, but I cant help to cheer for him. King is going to be a beast with some off season and sone patience, but McClease has been a rock in the backfield.

I love the emergence of Mcclease this year. Surprisingly pleasant.

McClease isn't only finding seams and 'making the unblocked hat miss' but running physically too. That three yard TD run was a great example. Big fan of how he's running.

Just that little change of not having the d sell out on him has helped him tremendously. The unblocked guy is now two yards off the LOS at best instead of 3 yards behind it. He's able to actually get downhill before making a move.

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Hooker's run threat has turned this offense up a notch. He is dangerous enough throwing and a big threat running that defenses have to account for all aspects so they can't sell out on the hand off like you stated. It has been exciting to watch for sure.

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I wish that trend continued. I'd be in great shape right now!

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One thing I never figured out watching is what was Jamie Newman's issue on the Dax interception? He's pointing and yelling but watching the play I had no idea what his issue was.

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Haven't watched the game since I watched it live yesterday, but if I remember correctly it seemed to me like he was yelling at his linemen, not at a ref. I just interpreted it as them missing a blocking assignment or something similar so he was trying to show them what he wanted. I'd have to go back & watch to see if that's the case though because I could be way off

I think Newman was yelling at his lineman #75 to look at the jumbo screen to show him that it was 75's guy (Garbutt) that blew that play up.

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Wow. I'm all for accountability but that's not the way I want to see leadership from my QB.

context is everything. It was loud. If he was trying to get the guy's attention to see what happened before the jumbotron cut away its a bad look over nothing just because it happened to end up on TV.

hat's not the way I want to see leadership from my QB.

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Newman needed to take a closer look at the screen, himself. 75 was fully engaged in a block. Perhaps the center should have done something different, but he was engaged in a block too. 3 rushers with 2 blockers is a recipe to get the QB hit.

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the RT picked up Dax. RG had Garbutt, our DT's were handled by the C and the LG. LT handled Adams. RB was to the left and shadowed Tisdale who was spying and drifted out to the offense's left. Basically we had 5 rushers vs 6 blockers but one blocker took himself out of the picture and the other got screened off when Garbutt looped behind the DT into the A gap. The C got pushed back a step or two into the pocket too, which helped screen the RG off Garbutt.

I don't know how the RG screwed up except maybe staying too tight on the LOS to be able to switch off with the C and pick up the DT while the C picked up Garbutt...

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It looked pretty good. Although Bud kept it simple and rushed Dax off the edge a bunch with Tisdale as a spy.

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Ok Its Monday and and an old buddy dropped by around four......I'm drunk.....

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

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For those of y'all at the game any observations about NEZ. Seen some disappointing pictures on social media.

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I think they're limiting access more. The upper left corner of NEZ was empty. But the east stands were full to the corner.

I'm assuming the students in NEZ crammed together which left an empty corner.

Seemed like most of the students appeared to stick around for the 2nd half unlike some of the games earlier in the season. And they sounded loud when we were on D and started up most of the stick it in chants when the band wouldn't play it.

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Unfortunately, I heard someone complained about Stick It In so it's been banned again.

Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but Whit decided to only allow it as a special thing every once in a while

Not being facetious. Rumor through the band was someone, presumably with $, complained. Might not be completely factual.

well, if true, that person with $$$ should get the stick unstuck from their rear end.

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Someone should probably tell them that they did Stick It In wrong...

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NEZ security has been much tighter this year so the students are filling up in East instead. I sat in section 3 for the Duke game and there were students in everyone's seats.

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They need a better solution I'd rather overcrowd pack the shit out of NEZ.

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The fire marshal and the need to be able to safely evacuate NEZ strongly disagrees.

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Also it just sucks being in a crowded section. I remember going to games as a student and shit would get out of control in terms of people. Luckily, or unluckily depending how you view it, tons of students would leave by half so it opened up. I finally went back to a game this year for homecoming and it just so much nicer being in a non-student section area.

There have been issues in last two season of law enforcement and security having trouble getting into the packed NEZ stands to deal with unsafe students or fights there have been numerous issues with EMS being able to access patients in NEZ.

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Okay maybe overcrowd was the wrong word but we should certainly be able to refill it as people leave.

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I think a better solution is all student tickets are general admission and you get there early if you want best seats.

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So, fence off student section, have their own bathrooms/concessions, and just shut the gates once it reaches capacity? Might work if they move all students to the North and south end zones where they can be more easily cordoned off.

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You don't need to do that. NEZ is separated already, plenty of student sections in basketball and football are first come first seat. Kids camp out to get best seats and rush the gates when they open hours before kickoff.

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Kids camp out to get best seats and rush the gates when they open hours before kickoff.

yeah, that's one of the few things LOLUVa football does right. In school, all I had to do was get my hands on a student ID and I could go to the thanksgiving game up there.

However, we can't fit all our student ticket holders in the north endzone. A not insignificant chunk of the east stands is student seating. There is also student seating in the south upper deck. So if you don't section it off somehow, what's to keep people from drifting into the sections and overcrowding them anyway?

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I don't disagree combining both of these would work pretty well.

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They're going to try that this year with basketball for the student section.

Leonard. Duh.

The Hillsborough disaster would be good testament to explain why over crowding is a bad idea.

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Might have been discussed already, but did Dax slide over to Mike and Tisdale to Backer once Ashby went down? It would be interesting to see if Dax looked more comfortable there.

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Yes. It is hard to assess because Bud essentially used pressures the entire time Dax was in. Most often, that involved Dax lining up as a 9 tech and blitzing, with Tisdale spying Newman. I would need to see more of Dax doing more normal mike stuff, but he showed off good movement and a heavy shoulder.

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I was told by a friend on the staff last year that he would have bet Dax put on 35 lbs and was a terror at DE. Instead we put him on a diet and tried Backer.

The eye test says Mike or DE is his most natural position, assuming he has the bend and frame for DE.

I'd love to see this look on third down more when we know the other team is going to pass. Tisdale should certainly be at backer in passing situations, and I think Dax now has two career interceptions (albeit his second was a little more right place right time than anything).

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Re: Griffin, I believe I heard the Techsideline guys mention that he is/was ill.