Hokies play BYU at 11:30 tonight on ESPN@ for 3rd or 4th place in the Maui Jim Maui Invitational. BYU mostly plays 7 players with another 5 that get 1-6 minutes per game:

Again the Hokies will be shorter than their opponents; but I don't think there is a national player of the year candidate on BYU. So we should match up a little better skill wise.

BYU is not the offensive power house that Dayton is averaging less than 70 points per game. They shoot 45% overall and 36% from 3 through 7 games. They have been out rebounded by 4 rebounds per game this year. They average 15 assists and 14 turnovers per game. They are 4-3 on the year with wins against Cal St. Fullerton, Southern Utah, @ Houston, and UCLA in Maui. Their losses were to San Diego St., @Boise St. and Kansas last night.

Stats for geeks who want to dig deeper:

Lets Go Hokies and start another winning streak.

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Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74


VT slight Fav according to Vegas

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

OK, I took a shower, drank plenty of water, have some treats lined up, but it's still 50/50 this old man will be staying up for an 11:30 game. I'm going to try, though. I'd like to see how the guys respond to last nights drubbing. Should tell us something about them.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

You definitely get points for even trying. 11:30 pm is a REALLY late start.

I think the team will play hard and play well. If we hit our 3s we'll win and be ranked next week.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

I think I'm gonna make it. I could so easily watch it tomorrow, but I don't want to wait. Go Hokies...keep me awake!

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

same, except I didn't shower, I'm drinking beers and eating Halloween candy...

Should have gone to bed. I'd have missed the Hokies, but I'd have missed Walton's blather. He's embarrassing and incredibly annoying, and I actually like(d?) the guy.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Will be really interesting to see how the young Hokies come out after the Dayton game. If they come out with energy and make their shots, we could handle BYU. I don't think the Hokies have an answer for a good big man unless Ojiako develops quickly; so we are going to struggle against any team that has an athletic big. I hope BYU does not.

Will be interesting to see if CMY can find a way to scheme against athletic big men. Did not seem like we could stop Toppin one on one and he did not double him to give help.

Game is on too late for me. I will watch the tape tomorrow.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Don't know much about this batch of Mormons other than they probably start at least one guy old enough to be Jalen Cone's dad... with the way they do school and such.

Leonard. Duh.

Yep it's our batch of 18/19 year olds vs. their batch of married 23/24 year olds

They looked good against Kansas last night heres to hoping they're more tired and our guys give em a good lick

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I'm lighter than only one of their players and as tall as their shortest. Damnit.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Damn. Didn't realize Ron Howard played for BYU.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

TJ Haws would like to talk about which weed eater you bought and why the brand he bought is superior after doing 489 hours of research.

This one announcer definitely seems to be on BYU's nuts

Look focused, and Nolley is on!

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

Ok stayed up to watch first 10 minutes of game play. Off to bed before first kid wakes up in 6 hours.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Bill Walton has had one two many daquaries. So annoying. They obviously didn't do their research.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

It's the Mai Tais. They'll get after ya

Tuned in to listen to Bill Walton's space commentary. Oh yeah, and to watch the Hokies play, as well.

"is it wasibba"
-Bill Walton on Wabissa Bede

I can't stand Bill Walton. He has been wasted for all 3 of our games and has very little to say about actual basketball.

Pretty sure this is his first game with us. Bilas was on the last two. Was looking forward to his rambling/commentary but it appears maybe he's a little loose tonight

I'm pretty sure he was on the other two. I watched them all and thought I heard the same drunken rambling and saw him. I could be wrong of course. He still sucks.

You're incredibly wrong to the point I think you might be wasted.

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

Wow you're incredibly aggressive. Look up at the part where I said I may be wrong. I'm sure we can look up his schedule. No reason to be offended. If you like him that's fine. There are a lot of people that don't and would like to hear some basketball during the basketball game.

Haven't had a drink since the PITT game.

You're right that Walton is trash. You're wrong that he was on our call for the first 2 games. That may have been the first game Bill Walton has ever called for VT, at least in the past few years for sure.

Shulman and Bilas called our first 2 games btw.

I'd honestly love to see his schedule. I heard the same high rambling during our other games apparently. I guess that is what made me think it was him. Either way he was high and rambling for the games I saw him call.

He did not call our previous games. He was on the screen a few times in some side pieces, though. Once with his shirt off doing something I recall. The dude's style is what it is, but let's put this to rest right here. I have never heard him call a game before, and he definitely has never called a VT game I've seen and I've seen a bunch. He did call other games in this tourney, apparently, though I didn't watch any games but ours. It's no big deal, and it's pretty much yesterday's news, but on this one, Indrid, you are wrong.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

There was no hostility in my posts. I thought I saw him and mentioned multiple times that I could be wrong. Put it to rest?

No, there wasn't, nor was there in mine. Why you were downvoted further up I don't know, so I went and evened you out there. As for putting it to rest, I had done that four days ago, myself, but hate to leave unread comments unanswered, even yesterday's news.
Rereading your post, probably the reason for the downvotes had something to do with your seeming reluctance to admit you were wrong, even while admitting the possibility of it.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Strange how much people care about turkey legs isn't it? I guess I can see my reluctance to admit I was wrong going back. Have a good one!

I used to care, now I don't, though I do notice them. As they say around here where I live, "It's all good", and have a good one yourownself.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

My goodness Walton is hammered

Very difficult to listen to him blabber.

No doubt. He is a mess, but a total legend.

But are you curious?

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Gimme me some of whatever Walton is on.

Hokies are undefeated when leading at the half.



-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

So we gave up 9 threes in the first half & we're still up 2. I'll take it. Hopefully they slow down from deep in the 2nd half & we pull away

Thanks sober bill Walton, for actual stats.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Im so dazed and confused from listening to bill walton commentating

My lips are moving but there's no sound
Someday somebody's gonna get run down

Still making a lot of mistakes because we are young. But I think we settle down in the second half and pull away. BYU will probably cool off a little from 3. They are shooting 10% above their season average.

Well. This did not age well.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Beautiful pass inside by cougars, reminiscent of 2018 Hokies.


-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Walton and the other dude sound like an old married couple jacking with each other

Very unimpressed with the referees we've had in this tournament. Missed a lot of very obvious calls

How are we getting torched by a guy that looks like Mew2King?

Are you fucking kidding me? We're getting beat singlehandedly by this bald motherfucker? Jesus Christ

Guessing you didn't watch what he did to UCLA?

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

It wouldn't be Hokie basketball if someone wasn't breaking some kind of 3 point record.

Is coronavirus over yet?

How the fuck are we getting dominated by these 40 year old Mormons. We're getting embarrassed..

I think you just answered your own question

Is coronavirus over yet?

TJ Haws wants to show you photos from his last vacation. He loads slides in a physical slide projector...

And he uses his rotary phone to call you and invite you over.

Come on, keep it together.


-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

The "Play of the Game" is not supposed to make me ill.


-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Don't need the bonus.


-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Body up on the 3pt line and our offense has no idea what to do.

Also, for a team that lives and dies by the 3 we have no idea how to defend it.

Found the missing hair.


-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Youth really showing up these last two games. Guys aren't running the offense and the D looks nonexistent.

Is coronavirus over yet?

We severely overrated this team after the msu game

My lips are moving but there's no sound
Someday somebody's gonna get run down

Both teams 50% from 3...


-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Yeah but they've taken 32 shots from 3. We aren't getting those looks

Is coronavirus over yet?

Bill Walton out there drinking like the in-laws are staying through Christmas.

And I saw the lighthouse keeper. His hollow eyes they pierced my soul. Said that I’m just a desperate seeker. Searching for what I do not know.

-Lighthouse Keeper, Ragweed

This is fucking ridiculous. BYU shoots 34% from 3 on the year & they're 16-30 against us. Was hoping for a surprise year after the MSU game but this & Dayton is probably more our norm. Just too undersized & young. If we aren't hitting 3's we're going to have a lot of games like this in conference play

Walton has to be the most annoying announcer of all time. Is he wasted?

Tyrod did it Mikey!

Found the mute button on my remote. Even though we are getting smoked the game got infinitely better.

Can we start a fire Walton petition? The game isnt great to watch but he is either suffering from severe demensia or drunk on national TV... his co-host is miserable.

You've obviously never watched this tournament. This is one of the highlights of thanksgiving

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

Walton is high as fuck.

Every single jump shot Bede takes hits the front of the rim

Is coronavirus over yet?

Dude needs to stop shooting all together


I was hoping for one win out in Maui, I just wasn't expecting to get blown out twice.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Well, we did beat the 3rd best team in the nation there....so...

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Our team is shockingly bad defensively. Every team that can shoot will light us up for 90 points. Every. Single. One.

We'll have to remember the expectations for the season. Don't let a fluke upset or two change that. We have a good enough offense to where we can upset a couple teams who can't shoot. But teams that can shoot will destroy us unless things change. Our rotations are abysmal - hopefully they improve throughout the year.

This is just the case of getting beat at our own game. We have only attempted 19 threes to their 34 so even though both teams are near 50% on the game, its a huge point differential. That said, our attempts are pretty even with our other games so this is just like when you faced teams like Charleston Southern and VMI that used to attempt 35-40 threes a game.

Because BYU has a semi-effective defense that took the 3 point shot away from us for stretches of the game.

Our defense, with really bad rotations, allowed them to get open 3 after open 3.

Our offense is pretty fun to watch, but the defense makes me cringe sometimes. Hopefully the coaching staff can work some magic on it. I think Frazier is supposed to be a good mind defensively

It isn't the defense at all. It is the execution of the defense. That will happen with experience.

Sure. They definitely show their inexperience on defense. Lots of really bad rotations. Hopefully it looks better a month from now when the season ramps up. Otherwise, we'll have to wait til next year to see this team's potential (which is to be expected)

Not to mention that these guys just arent used to playing 3 games in 3 days

This teams got a long way to go, idk how far we can go prioritizing the 3 like this. We have to start getting paint touches, the 3 cannot be our entire offense

Offense is not the issue whatsoever. 77 points is good. Allowing 90 points is horrible.

This is gonna be a long season in the ACC. Good shooting teams are going to absolutely torch our defense. These last 2 games have been awful to watch & the caliber of teams we're going to face on a nightly basis is only going to get harder for conference play. A lot of growing pains in our future.

Welp and just like that this team's expectations are right back in the shitter where they started. Defensively this team is just not good by any stretch of the imagination. We'll be better than last in the ACC I believe but I have my doubts about how much further than that we'll actually be.

Defensively against Clemson and Michigan State this team was excellent. Growing pains of playing games multiple days in a row and at really off schedule hours is going to lead to dead legs and short armed shots like we saw alot of tonight between bad defensive rotations and less fluidity in getting up good shots. They have the skill set but really have to be able to focus when they get tired. It was after the under 16 timeout in the second half that things really came apart. BYU stepped up the defense and the Hokies went from a 48 all tie to down 68-51 in those five minutes. Wont help the Hokies that next up is going to be a REALLY ANGRY Duke team with their loss to SF Austin.

That may be true but as far as I know BYU and Dayton were both dealing with the same circumstances and just handled it a heck of a lot better. The NCAA/ACC tournament (at least the initial rounds) aren't significantly different so I hope they figure it out if they hope to do anything there.

BYU is a bunch of 22 year olds and Dayton is VERY deep with talent. These guys have huge advantages over our group of freshmen on multi-day tourneys.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

But we also have to remember we have something like the 5th youngest team in college basketball and 2nd to last in average height.

I think when we really fell apart was the 8 point swing immediately after the ref said it was BYUs ball and everyone in the gym saw it was VTs ball, but the ref. That's when hairline started lighting it up and went on a 13 point run single handedly.

You can see our guys executing when we're winning and shots going in easy; but when they're down they start panicking. Youth and lack of p5 experience could be the quick explanation for this, at least I'm hopeful for this.

I think the last two games have a lot to do with the quick turnaround. They had a week to prepare for Michigan St., but less than 24 hours to prepare for Dayton and BYU. The young players probably had difficulty adapting their scheme to other teams. This in combination with tired legs, and young player lack of discipline/focus needed in a tournament like this.

Also, CMY looked pissed in his post-game presser after this game. After Dayton he was like they're a really good team. But after this game he seemed angry that they lost because it seems like he expected to win or at least compete better.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Here is another thought. We got a bunch of kids and most of them don't even shave yet. Lot of growing to do. They were playing against a team of grown men 24-26! Much different physically. One of the dudes looked like he was 30. I know first hand. My kid was wrestling for Longwood and made it as a freshman. He was still 17. They wrestled a Mormon school from VA (don't remember the name). His first opponent was 26 with a wife and 3-4 kids in tow. Different strength set.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Just came here to say how ridiculous Walton is on those broadcasts. He is waaaaay over the top and clearly knew very very little about VT. I blame the loss entirely on him.

But god damn if he isn't a national treasure and the greatest commentator to ever grace the screen.

Very true, however, hearing this exchange had me rolling... And made it worthwhile. Was something to the effect of.......

"VT, holy crap, didn't Dell Curry play here?"
"Didn't they famously not offer Steph Curry a scholarship?"
"wasn't Seth Greenberg the coach?"

His coworker who's on the very game's halftime show.


Frank was the Tank. Long live SW Virginia!

Haven't watched the game yet but a couple notes on Bill Walton for those of you introduced to him as a broadcaster last night:
1. He does little to no research on the teams playing, especially if those teams aren't from the PAC-12
2. He rarely talks about the game in front of him
3. He is not drunk, but he is probably high
4. The dynamic between him and Dave Pasch is always combative
5. He pronounces names wrong often, and purposely has called Jay Bilas "Jake" for years

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

" i like your style..."

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

6. Walton self-identifies as a Deadhead (which is really all you need to know to explain his style). If you're into that sort of thing, you'll find their lyrics weaved into his broadcasts.

Oh, and obligatory:

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)