ESPN's retelling of the 0-0 game (in regulation) vs. Wake Forest in 2014

FRANK BEAMER, Virginia Tech head coach, 1987-2015: I remember their coach said we probably set offensive football back 20 years that night. (Actual quote from Wake Forest's Dave Clawson: "We put offensive football back 100 years.")

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Like I want to re-live that.

I had almost forgotten it.

Almost.

Boy, was he wrong! The football that day was the very definition of "offensive."

offensive[ uh-fen-siv or for 4, 5, aw-fen-, of-en- ]
adjective
1. causing resentful displeasure; highly irritating, angering, or annoying:
2. unpleasant or disagreeable to the sense:
3. repugnant to the moral sense, good taste, or the like; insulting:
4. pertaining to offense or attack:

What fourth definition?

Edit: Misread OP initially thinking it was both coaches sounding off.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

this is the only appropriate reaction to any mention of that game

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Hey, Wake ran DL stunts... what on earth were we supposed to do? Impossible spot that Leoffler was in there, really.

MICHAEL BREWER, Virginia Tech QB, 2014-15: Wake Forest had a really good game plan defensively. They had several blitzes dialed up, and we were changing protections, and every time, they'd know exactly what the protection was. They did a great job of scouting us. And it was just a really weird football game.

As ballyhood as Lefty was as an OC coming into 2014, this is a pretty damning statement.

EDIT: For a garbage Wake Forest team to do that to us was the beginning of the end for Lefty and was pretty damning for Stacy Searels as well. Maybe if we had retained Jeff Grimes (who I think is one of the best position coaches we had this decade) this wouldn't have happened.

Maybe Shane felt so badly about seeing their playbook that he sent them ours as well.

Seriously, the only acceptable excuse for that game.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Side note here, stayed in a townhouse this weekend in Southbend and came across the Notre Dame scouting book for Georgia. I can easily see how if you knew exactly what the other team would check down to in a given situation how easy it would be to take advantage of it. Immediately told my notre dame buddy about a time when Virginia tech coaches received a playbook. To me it is clear that Shane didn't use the book.
I was also amazed at how much info they are expected to retain. It's crazy. We talk about break downs in responsibility, bad recognition and reads, wrong gap assignments, etc, but when you look at a book like this you realize how much we are asking our players to remember and react to.

came across the Notre Dame scouting book for Georgia

Whoah whoah whoah. Roll that back a sec. How exactly does one just "come across" a scouting book for a CFB team?

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Stayed in a townhouse. Owner is friends with one of the player's family and they will stay there some weekends. Book was available reading material.

every time, they'd know exactly what the protection was. They did a great job of scouting us.

The worst part about this is we're the ones that cheated in that game. We should've known what they were going to do every time, not the other way around.

Nothing on the field suggested we utilized the information Shane was given, nor that Shane shared the info with any other coaches, which he has outright stated.

Yeah..if we cheated in that game, we should get the death penalty

Was more like we threw that game on purpose.

THIS!! This is the only thing that makes sense.

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I wouldn't say it was all Lefty's fault. He just (badly) instituted the offensive philosophy that Beamer wanted us to run.

Honestly, if not for Bud, I think we end up looking back on the Beamer tenure differently than we do now.

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Honestly, if not for Bud, I think we end up looking back on the Beamer tenure differently than we do now.

True. Bud is the Bean to Beamer's Ender.

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Beamer wanted to win the game, control the clock, not make a bunch of stupid mistakes and wear teams down by the 4th quarter. Shitty philosophy, eh? lol. Beamer's failed philosophy wasn't his "offense" - every coach including Fuente wants to be able to power run the ball and control the clock... Beamer's philosophy of coaching up underrated players because he didn't hold his coaches accountable on the recruiting trail is why the offense sucked. We needed many more and better OL, we needed WRs that played WR in HS, etc. His career would look different without the Fullers, Edmunds, Warren's, etc family pipelines, which is not a great recruiting strategy long term. The offensive problems were with personnel and not enough of it vs. scheme.

I think it has been discussed on here many times, but Lefty honestly is a great offensive mind. His passing game concepts and routes are far more advanced than what we are running now. The problem was opposing teams could easily start to determine the play because he had obvious tells based upon formation and personnel. If a certain player came into the game and lined up at a certain spot, you could guess what we were going to run (like McMillian early on with the jet sweep.) I think Lefty knows his football but has just struggled to put it all together as an OC, and at times got too cute with different looks.

Elite QB coach, average OC.

Lefty honestly is a great offensive mind

The problem was opposing teams could easily start to determine the play because he had obvious tells based upon formation and personnel.

These statements strike me as quite contradictory.

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He knows his stuff but the final product just doesn't measure up to his vision. I think he just gets too into the weeds to actually set up a coherent offense. He knows the theory but not necessarily how to always apply it is basically what I meant. He is basically a UVA engineer, to use a metaphor.

I do think his mindset is more applicable to the NFL where one on one matchups win the play. The problem in college is that scheme often breaks down.

He knows the theory but not necessarily how to always apply it is basically what I meant. He is basically a UVA engineer

as someone who has to interview, hire, and train mechanical engineers, I would like to say LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. It's funny because it's true. I've had shitty engineers from Tech work for me, but I'm batting a thousand for LOLUVa engineers who I've worked with (inherited them, not hired by me) or interviewed who fit this description to a T. It's like they specifically build their curriculum around producing research engineers who will only ever be useful in academia or similar situations. I work with a consultant from time to time who uses our facility to do hands on testing of prototypes they crank out. Crazy smart (smart enough to send his kid to tech, btw). Way smarter than me, but it's amazing to see how hard it is for him to make the jump to practical hands on engineering from theory.

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Yep, I know a person who was a UVA engineering grad (who eagerly talked crap about turning down VT because UVA was so elite.) Got a relatively entry-level engineering job out of college and legitimately asked me one day a few months later if he should resign. When I asked why, he said he honestly had no idea wtf he was doing and thought he was about to get fired. To this day, is not doing anything engineering related.

While I've worked with many VT engineers over the years, I can think of only about 6 UVA engineers. One I worked with right out of college. About a week into the job he says he didn't learn half of what his VT colleagues learned in college. He's learned a lot since and has moved on to be a good engineering manager. He's not the typical UVA personality. Another four are solid engineers but more or less average. The last was the most worthless engineer I've met.

Less than 50K a year. Pathetic. Sighs in teacher.

Whadya mean I can't take off my sweater? I'm HOT!

My sincerest apologies. I didn't intend to imply that simply making less than $50k a year was pathetic. The intended meaning was that to make less than $50k as an engineer nearing retirement (and solely due to performance, not some noble cause) was pathetic given that the average starting salary for an engineer was greater. Specifically, the just graduated engineer I hired into the same position was paid more.
Again, I truly apologize for the way my statement came across.

All good man.

Whadya mean I can't take off my sweater? I'm HOT!

I recommend you consider that you have a diverse audience before announcing 50k is pathetic. (I dont think you meant for it to sound like it sounds)

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Yes, my sincerest apologies to anyone offended. I specifically meant that, in a profession where the average starting salary is over $50k, making less than that near retirement as a full time engineer is not a compliment to your career.

I suggest editing your initial comment to be clearer.

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Good on you for the edit. I knew you weren't meaning it that way, but as worded it was sort of sending the opposite message you were striving for.

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Leg to offset downvotes because i do believe the intent of that statement was more to the point of an engineer should be making way more than $50k in that field with that many years of experience. Even a slightly below average one. Not that everyone making less than $50k is pathetic.

Yes, thank you for clarifying my intent.

I've always thought Lefty would do better in the NFL, where the players are more seasoned and had a longer time to learn the nuances of the game.

Yeah he uhh, he didn't do too great with the Lions.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

He was the QB coach for them and they were shit. They were shit afterwards, and he was only there 1 season before going back to college. So that's not really a reliable point....

Horseshit. Wakes win's that year were Gardiner Webb, Army and yes, VT. Their defense sucked, their team sucked. We just did the impossible and sucked worse. A FG at any point would have been enough. They couldn't get a first down on our defense, yet Lefty, Stiney, shane pissed on themselves all day. No excuse. Fucking stunts? Scouting? Yeah fuck me. Fuck that. We sucked. We got on a bus drove down there unprepared for a HS team and sucked. Bud showed up of course- he was ready of course, but the offense couldn't have beaten a HS that day- sucked. No other way to put it. Stunts? Are you fucking kidding me? Middle school OLs pick those up. It's like Tulane, SMU, UCONN, and Tulsa having zero issues blocking Terry Williams and putting 600 yards on ECU, but we can't get a fucking first down on them. Fuck all of that. Those offensive coaches were stealing money from VT.

I agree with everything said here.

So...

Fuente has improved the offense, after all?

Leg! and...

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this should go plaid.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I don't disagree but I will play devils advocate for a moment. Did we beat the eventual national champions Ohio state that one day with a great game plan and superior effort, or did Ohio State shit the bed? I only bring this up because I think it is probably human nature to always assume your team wins a win and loses a loss when in fact it is probably somewhere in the middle with a lot of it coming down to effort and specific matchups on any given game day.

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#damtruth

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Wasn't this the game that showed how bad the o line coaching was where our technique showed exactly what play we were running.

If I remember correctly, one of their DL stated after the game that they knew what we were going to run and was just amazed at how well it worked when they checked right into what we were going to do and we would do what they thought they were going to do.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Yep I think that's what it was. Wake would like up a certain way knowing what our offense would check to after seeing where the defense was lined up.

For what it's worth, Jeff Grimes left for LSU on his own accord. We were never going to retain him. He was just killing time in Blacksburg waiting for the SEC Bat Signal. If he wanted to be in Blacksburg, he'd still be here today.

Leonard. Duh.

Agreed. Losing him was the worst loss in my mind from a position coach standpoint since Billy Hite stopped coaching running backs. Torrian in the mix too I guess but I had high hopes for Grimes' lines. Oh well.

I think I actually found the book in which they're retelling the story from.

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We will win this year's tilt 60-59 and everyone will forget about that monstrosity of a game (well, probably not)

You know we talkin' 'bout football, right?

... but there's virtually no way this season's game will come close to matching the drama, heartache and utter ridiculousness of their previous meeting.

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I hope both teams take knees this year until we get to 6OT so the winner of the game will win 2-0. Its just the right thing to do.

Have to go 7OT and get that record though.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

They can re-tell it all they want but there's just no way to accurately describe the feeling watching this live. By the end of it, you weren't just done with VT football. You never wanted to watch any other sporting event again

The most common reaction:

I was there. My squad and the Wake fans in our section bonded after regulation. Both parties didn't really care who won at that point... it just needed to be over.

If anyone ever wonders what it would feel like to remove your own pancreas without anesthesia and then put it back in... just tell them it's kind of like being at BB&T field during the 4th quarter of the 2014 Wake VT game.

Leonard. Duh.

I was there too. My wife slept through most of the third in forth quarters. She actually woke up to grones from everyone went the game went to overtime. Never have I seen fans from opposing sides be so united in there desire to just see a game end.

This game and Rutgers 2012. Probably the least amount of enjoyment I've EVER had while watching a sporting event. Miserable the whole way through. Nothing redeemable about the game. Never even thought to rewatch, and I probably never will.

Agreed. WFU for worst game, in terms of level of enjoyment, for having lost. And Rutgers for a game having won. Insert a million facepalm emojis.

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Super wish I could just spam leg this

TheKeyPlay should make t-shirts with a Frank-like character holding his hands up in front of a 0-0 scoreboard with the tagline 'Have a 0-0 day!'

/s

No

So, basically, have a shitty day, while commemorating a game VT lost? Maybe you're seeing an angle I don't see there.

I was talking to a dyed-in-the-wool PSU alum today about the Wakeyleaks game being brought back up and I told him the same thing I'm about to tell you.

The game was a shitshow. We also played a shitshow against Rutgers in the Russell Athletic Bowl. There are times where your team displays something that cannot be described as football.

Own it.

Have a bit of humility about it. I, for one, agree with the coaches that we set football back to pre-Miami days with that display. But I watched every last second of that beautiful disaster.

And I feel like I've earned a t-shirt for doing it.

Yeah, I saw that game. I don't mind posting the photo here every once in a while as a goof. You have to remember where you've been. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I get it.

I also had toe fungus once, but have decided not to commemorate it with a t-shirt.