Jerry Kill Joining VT Football Staff as Special Assistant to the Head Coach

Jerry Kill is now Fu's Dwight Schrute. Thoughts?

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He's one hell of a coach. Career ended way too soon because of his seizures. I don't see a downside.

This makes me nervous. He's a great coach and a good football mind, and we definitely appear to need some help in coaching -- but at what point are there too many cooks in the kitchen?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He can't be out recruiting or on the field coaching so I think it's fine. Hell Saban has been collecting special non coaching assistants for awhile now.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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That's fair -- having a team of 6 special assistants would then dilute those additional voices rather than have one other clear opinion though?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

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Reading this while in finance class. Should I interrupt class and share this with everyone?

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I don't know....ask Nick Saban.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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When you almost lose to Furman and ODU I think it is evident the current cooks need some help.

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but usually "too many cooks in the kitchen" means that someone has to take a seat because they're just in the way, and i would guess that it won't be the guy who just resigned from an AD gig join that kitchen.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Agreed...and I dont think you have to look too hard to find a coach on our staff who needs to take a seat.

I think it is a good hire....I hope he can work long hours because we need A LOT of help. I would love to be a fly on the wall when he give Fu his feedback on our QBs....all of them.

Corn can take a seat. I will volunteer him as tribute.

"These people are losing their minds!"

I will never not post this when too many cooks are mentioned.:

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

My take...no one ever wants to be the guy in charge when "help" is brought in from outside. Probably a fair bit of heat on Fuente if this is happening. I hope they can all work together in harmony, because this kind of thing can get ugly quickly.

But great news if this helps the team, don't get me wrong. Just thinking about the second and third order effects.

Fuente is 100% on board with this and Kill was involved a little during preseason. If I was Cornelsen I would start to feel a little uncomfortable but not panicked

This was my initial thought.

Is it basketball season yet?

If he really is supposed to be an answer for the offense, thats extremely concerning.

In Total Offense his last 3 Minnesota teams(13,14,15) all finished even worse then VT those years, all in the 105-110 nationally area.

Far from the end all be all stat, but very much not an inspiring one either.

Emphasis on game planning/management. how many times have we seen a series work and then the next one 3&out and go away from what worked last drive?

Helps to have another set of eyes in the booth to watch how teams react and defend certain looks.

This was my thought. Someone to be in the booth with Corney and provide insight/altitude.

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

I agree that I don't want Kill as an OC, but I think he's more than qualified to act as a consultant to assess program health.

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Exactly how I see this move. A consultant. Lots of organizations do this, and Fu sees that we need some support/feedback.

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

He's also working with Minnesota though. I would expect Fuente to be better at Alabama and worse at Memphis

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I would expect Fuente to be (...) worse at Memphis

welp

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Time to Panic for Corn....

Do you know something or are you updating based on last week's results?

If Fuente escapes this year there will be a new OC and DC in town. Whether Fuente is here come 2020 depends on how the rest of the year goes.

That's the smoke I'm hearing

I'm seeing what you're stepping in.

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Thank you for the response to such a direct question that you didn't have to answer.

This is probably a better way to express my initial thoughts -- it's pretty clear that he's brought on to help "fix" something. If Jerry Kill is meant to be the doctor with the second opinion, who knows what his medical opinion will be. Sometimes you can rehab an injury, sometimes you need surgery.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We need somebody who has experience winning at a P5 school and not just Memphis (cough Corny) so this fantastic

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At this point the offense can't get much worse, might as well.

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Fuente is not going to like it when his first suggestion is "Fire your offensive coordinator".

Like the hire though. Nothing wrong with getting an old head in there to give solid advice.

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That's a frustrating thought!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Really? Everything old isn't bad and we definitely can use the help, especially in a mostly advisory position. Don't think experience is worth nothing lest we discount a significant resource we shouldn't be too proud to explore.

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sarcasm...damn I forgot the /s

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Why bother hiring someone to coach a coach? Why not just get rid of the dead weight and hire the guy who was going to instruct him?

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I think coaches across the country have come a long way in recognizing it is difficult to see issues in your own product. Everyone thinks their kid is cute.

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Not only that, but I think it can be tough to take a step back and look at the forest when you're busy planting trees one by one.

Consultants and advisers get a bad rep, but the good ones are worth their weight in gold.

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And Fuente has to be one of the worst at seeing issues with his own product. He's so damn stubborn it's almost like he'd rather keep losing than admit he was wrong.

This doesn't make sense. Fuente could see issues well enough to decide bringing in some extra help

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Serious question. Where did this narrative come from? I've seen it over and over on here, but I've watched every interview, most radio talks, every game since he's been here without ever getting anything to suggest this stubbornness or many other internet fabricated faults.

Not directing it at you personally, I just finally had to ask. There just seems to be a lot of fan fiction and mind reading lately.

"Doesn't care", runs over to hurt players. While many recruits and players saying "he actually cares about me outside of football and that means a lot to me." "Too aggressive in the locker room speeches", I can only guess because some didn't meet expectations and left rather than do sprints? Maybe the SI article about a few unhappy players trying to tank the team? Sorry, threatening to punch someone for making a touchdown doesn't a good witness make. "Too stubborn to accept fault" and/or "blames the kids", says in every interview "we have to coach better and be better at giving them opportunities to go out there and cut loose." Can't "admit he's wrong ", goes out and hires a former successful head coach to a 2 year contract to help fix what's not working.

I don't know, it just seems I'm watching a very different coach and team. Am I happy with the offense? No, I think the OLine in particular and the offense as a whole has issues. I'm worried about Bud leaving more than is probably healthy. But we have a coach who has shown through action dedication to following the rules, developing well rounded student athletes and is busting his hump to put out a product to entertain us. No mind reading or projections needed to see these things.

I guess I'm just getting old and haven't bought into all this instant gratification stuff. Reasons can get as old as excuses, but for me we are not there yet. And if it does get there? Can't we just say "thanks for the effort, but it didn't work out", without making someone worse than they are to justify it?

Sorry, rant over.

I think a lot of it stems from his pressers where it seems like he only blames player execution instead of a lot of coaches that tend to take the blame on preparation or adjustments

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This is another way overblown narrative that people have created from reading out of context Twitter quotes. From Fuente's Furman presser alone:

We've got to do a good job as coaches, I think that's the biggest thing is we got young pretty quickly. We've got to do a good job of putting them in good situations, not asking them to do too much, then letting them cut it loose and go play.

We got to do a better job coaching, better job blocking, better job running. Everywhere.

We have to do, it's a must for us, we have to a better job. As coaches, as players. You can't just go out there and take a knee every time obviously, but we do have to find a way to stay aggressive and take care of the football.

From the ODU presser:

there's some things in there that we've gotta do a better job teaching.

Well we've gotta run the football better. That falls on everybody. That falls on the quarterback, it falls on the coaches, it falls on the offensive line, and the running backs. We've all gotta do a better job.

they're part of the improvement we got to make moving forward. Continue to teach and bring those guys forward.

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I do not see it that way at all. Still, thank you for providing an answer.

It's confirmation bias, is all. Some folks hear/read only what they expect to hear.

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Excellent post. Agree with all of it.

Y'all still think he's not stubborn? He does the same shit and expects different results.

Name any GREAT athlete, performer or CEO that only kept his/her counsel!

To me this is an absolute sign of growth and maturity in Fuente as a leader! Coaches need someone to tell them the brutal unvarnished truth!

Outside consultants are brought in for one of three reasons. Which one is going on here is unknown to us.

1) You know there is a problem, but not specifically what it is.
2) You know the problem, but want advice in how to fix it.
3) You already know the fix, but you want cover to implement it.

Or, 4) You want more manpower with a particular expertise.

Any one of those, or any combination of them.

Or, as others have suggested...

5) You think everything is fine and want your critics off your back.

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Kill is not an outside consultant so none of these apply. He's been hired as a full time position in a COO type role.

Agreed , why hire a coach to coach a coach ( making in excess of 3 mil/ yr) If these existing coaches are not getting the job done, which is clearly the case , replace them . I seem to recall the"Hoover's" doing thr same thing with London. How did that work out ? This is an lndication that the heat is on Fuente and this coaching staff is in trouble.

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I would agree if this hire happened in a week. In his press conference today, Fuente said this has been in the works since camp.

If Fuente only keeps his own counsel - he's inflexible and stubborn.

If he asks and buys more help/input, he's weak and in trouble...

Dude can't win.

No need to replace the house if a few windows need work

How does this position work? Does he do any coaching or just analyze and give information
to the staff?

This is just a burner coach to do the dirty work of firing his friends for Fuente. Bold strategy.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Is this another name for a play caller? Wasn't that Shane Beamer's job the last few years for his dad?

I could be wrong, just asking!

EDIT: just saw he can't be on the field coaching so nvm lol

"Can't argue with that logic" - Rick Sanchez

The play caller typically sits in the coaching booth and radios the call down to the sideline, so maybe?

It's not firing Cornelson, but it's the first sign someone realizes something is wrong with the program. I'll consider that progress

This is how I take it as well.

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Jerry Kill is a legend...see below

Not Jerry Kill, but all time great GIF

Damn! Really? I legit thought that was Jerry all this time! Thanks for the correction...but I love the GIF so I'm leaving it up as is.

I think that was Minny's OL coach. He certainly looks like what I expect a B1G West OL Coach to look and act like.

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He was none of the above. According to the linky his name is Dan Lehman - a telephone tech for Pioneer Communications who responsible for comms on the field.
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Real life doppelgangers, Jerry Kill, Tracy Claeys, and Dan Lehman were all on the sideline for Minnesota during the Dilly bar game. It was very confusing.

Wow. He sure LOOKS the part of "confident coach".

I guess it's easier to casually have an ice cream bar on a sideline when your job is keeping the comms working.

This tells me everything I need to know. I'm on board.

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If you see these characters, they represent specific people (as of Oct. 2):

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I've never seen/been to a snow game... I really wish the season coincided with more wintery precipitation.

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I've been to games in Lane where it was spitting and blowing snow. Fucking miserable, my dude.

Not if you come with enough layers.

35Β° and rain, however...

I love snow...would be prepared and would enjoy thoroughly

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Since then, I have become a pro at layering. I usually do really well with just 4 layers.

Base>Insulation>Warmth>Water&Wind Proof

In my experience, never cheap out on solid warm gear. It's amazing what a proper ski coat can do... I can go shirtless with just my coat on 0 degree weather and sweat.

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My ski coat is the 3rd and 4th layer for me. So I'm usually wearing a UA base layer and and a fleece layer and that's it.

You forgot the bourbon layer.

2010 ACC Championship game in Charlotte had pretty miserable weather. At one point or another throughout that day it rained, snowed, and sleeted and even had hail intermittently. The best type of warmth in those situations is alcohol warmth.

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That was the first game I attended after learning how to layer. I was shedding layers by the end of the game, and I was up in the nosebleeds. I've also noticed that when you're winning, you don't get as cold.

I've also noticed that when you're winning, you don't get as cold.

I learned that at the 2007 BC game.

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Do we think this is more of an indictment on Fuente? Or on Corn?

No doubt on Cornelson. Fuente had some say in hiring him I believe.

"Can't argue with that logic" - Rick Sanchez

I suspect it's neither. I think Fuente's just trying something different because what he has been doing clearly isn't working well enough. There's not a lot of what Saban has done at Bama that's replicable here, but assembling a portfolio of slightly used scratch-n-dent former head coaches in advisory or QC roles is something that can help and we can do here.

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Ummmmmmm.....

Apparently he was hired as full time AD in Feb....

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I'd like to know why people that search for Jerry Kill also search for Eddie Robinson. I get the other ones as they're associated with Minnesota football...but Eddie Robinson?

Jerry Kill won the Eddie Robinson Award for Best HC in FCS once. Could that be it? Only connection I can see.

Presumably we paid whatever buyout was in his contract.

Everyone is talking about him replacing Corn. While that makes sense, the dude has been an offensive and defensive coordinator. Could he end up being Bud's replacement?

given he's apparently the current Athletic Director at SIU, I'm a little worried about Whit, to be honest.

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One would imagine he's no longer the AD of SIU

I can't find anything saying he has stepped down or been replaced. He was just hired to the role in February.

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His quote in the press release indicates he resigned that position to take the VT job

That's.... an odd move.

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Not if he wants to be a coach in some capacity instead of an administrator. This way, he gets to "coach" without the stresses of game day, which easily could have been a trigger to some of his health issues.

Depends. Some people like being in charge of overall direction, leading others, etc. Some people prefer work in more in the details.

If he is looking to be closer to football specifically instead of dealing with all sports and all the different personnel across an entire department, this is a better fit.

edit: What macraw83 said

I don't think it's odd at all. He's a football guy, but his health prevents him from being an on-field coach. He can no longer physically withstand the stress and long hours of coaching. I have to assume that high stress and long hours also come with the role of Athletic Director at a D1 university. To me, taking that AD job is lot more odd, given his health history, than giving it up for this gig. Advisor to a (hopefully) up-and-coming coach at an above-average (overall, not necessarily last year or this year) P5 school could be an ideal job for a guy like Kill.

β€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Reported that Jerry Kill took a $40k pay cut to come to VT... if that is true, that is very odd.

If you are already set financially for retirement, would you rather make $215,000 working a job that you hate, or $175,000 working a job that you love?

I'd take a sabbatical for $175K/year and 2 years in Blacksburg.

How odd? We regularly have fans talking about 'cost of living in SWVA' when they're hopeful certain people will consider jobs here, potentially for less money than they currently make.

What is more likely is that he didn't like being an Administrator and wanted to get back into the game, especially at a place with significantly more resources.

Its bigger than that, Carbondale, IL home of SIU is a stop in the middle of a cornfield. Cost of living is barely a consideration there. That being said, getting out of there and to an area with a whole lot more going for it may be worth every penny. I would much rather be retired in SW VA than SW IL.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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I took a $40k paycut and moved from bumfuck PA ($600/month for a 2br apartment) to Arlington, VA. It was totally worth it to do something that I enjoy more.

Having lived in both PA and VA, I would do the same thing.

I didn't mind the area too much, but I always left the and traveled on my days off.

Maybe I'm looking into this a bit, but stepping down as Athletic Director to take an advisory job elsewhere seems like a... very odd career move.

Perhaps his health, which we already know he's struggled with in the past, wasn't going to allow him to continue that role, and this would be better for him? I just don't know, this seems like a big step backwards in hierarchy, especially so soon after being hired full time. Makes me seriously wonder if there is something else going on here at VT that made this move more attractive than it would seem on the surface.

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Coaching is a LOT different from being an AD. I can see someone wanting to go back to coaching after having a taste of being an administrator.

To me, this seems like a perfect solution for someone unable to withstand the physical challenges of coaching, but who actually likes coaching.

I think you're looking into this too much.

247 reported that JK was working with Fuente over the summer, and Fuente wanted to hire him onto staff, and the hire is just becoming official now. This is a football move. Nothing to do with Whit.

Hiring a wise old dude whose work you respect and who you view as a mentor? Seems like a Brent Williams move to me.

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If we replaced Whit with Jerry Kill, I would be extremely disappointed.

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Considering his health, I'm not sure he's going to be involved in gameday decision making. But I'm all for him helping hire real P5 OCs and Bud's replacement this offseason

I don't think he is a serious candidate for either one. He had major health problems that forced him to retire. This seems like an advisory role for the season.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I don't think we have to worry about that. The guy stepped away from coaching because of serious health concerns. I don't think he can physically withstand the rigors of big-time college coaching. I think an advisory role like he has landed here is a perfect role for him. He can play a role where his experience and wisdom is needed and valued (I hope), but doesn't have to put in those 16-hour days at the office, or long nights on the road recruiting. I love this move both for Kill, and for VT.

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He could end up being Fuente's replacement. Unlikely, but possible.

I find it really hard to believe he is coming in to replace anyone. He probably is here to help advise coach Fuente and add another voice to the decisions he has to make. Also, he'll probably help coach Fuente hire a defensive coordinator. He can do some research and provide advice on how he went about hiring people.

I like the move and don't see it as any sort of indictment about how things are going internally.

I wouldn't read any further into this hire than this right here.

Is there a TCU connection here? Jerry Kill and Gary Patterson are BFFs and Fuente coached under Patterson at TCU. Not sure if Fuente and Kill already had a relationship, but I'm guessing Kill will be a big help.

From the Roanoke Times article:

Fuente has a long history with Kill going back to their time coaching at the FCS level (then Division 1-AA) in the early 00's. Kill coached at Southern Illinois when Fuente was an offensive assistant at Illinois State, a pair of conference rivals that played annually.

Kill is also close with TCU coach Gary Patterson, who is one of Fuente's longtime mentors. The two Kansas natives both coached under Dennis Franchione (Patterson replaced Kill as linebackers coach at Pittsburg State under Franchione) and developed a friendship.

Patterson offered Kill the offensive coordinator job when he got the job at TCU, a role that Fuente would eventually land years later.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Thanks for the info!

Does this confirm that Patterson will be our next Defensive Coordinator?

WOW. Kill has made every team better when he was HC. As long as Fuente is genuinely on board with this, then it should help. If it was not Fuente's decision, then I do not agree with the hire.

If it was not Fuente's decision, then I do not agree with the hire.

The only other option is that this is Whit unilaterally flexing his AD muscle to try to help the football program in spite of Fuente not wanting to change anything despite the shitshow surrounding him. I certainly hope it was Fuente's decision, but if not it still seems like a decent hire, considering the circumstances.

Whoever's idea it was, it puts an exceptional coach on our staff. I would have no qualms with Kill being our head coach if his health has improved to the point he can coach again.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Can't work with players... at all? Or just on game day? Seems like a weird limitation if he can't interact with them during the week, at practices and such.

He can't coach players in any way. Game day or during the week.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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he's here to coach the coaches

planning, management of game plan, practice, evaluations.

That noise you hear is Cornelson updating his resume

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Makes a lot of sense for a guy wanting to stay more involved with football but health issues are keeping him from the field.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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This is huge. Jerry Kill is an excellent coach. And Minnesota was known for its run game under him.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Love love love the move. Regarded as a great football mind. Should have an immediate impact on our offensive game plans and will likely play an integral role as an advisor for our next DC.

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I think this is a GREAT move.

Having more coaching expertise at this point can only be good, and this guy is the real deal.

If his responsibility is to examine the offense, I imagine he will question the reliance on deception. My review highlights how the Inside zone read was running the dive into two unblocked hats instead of following blocks, even on King's huge 3rd quarter run. I get that on occasion you can influence the defense into being out of position. But, winners can line up and put a hat on a hat and control the line of scrimmage. Against Furman, there were enough well blocked plays thatshould have resulted in big gains where the back went somewhere where, at least using my 1997 football logic, the ball should not have gone.

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Did it matter who was carrying the ball on whether it went to the wrong place?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

No. King left yards out there too. But, his biggest run should have been a one yard gain and he just ran clean last two unblocked LBs.

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That must be what it's like for our opponents when we have them dead to rights for a loss or no gain but a missed tackle and 50 yards later we're crying and they're jubilant

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

French could have been hired as the new special assistant, but then we would have lost him on TKP. Kill is a better hire.

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Given that my biggest worry in any job is long term security, they would have needed to offer more than $175K for me to leave my current career, even though that is a really nice raise.

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They can give a $15 million dollar buyout instead haha

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French could have been hired as the new special assistant, but then we would have lost him on TKP. Kill is a better hire.

I think you meant "French could have been hired as the new special assistant, but then we would have lost him on TKP and that would be bad for TKP. Kill is a better hire for the TKP"

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Seems like this is Fuente recognizing that things are going the way they should be and this is the first big step towards fixing it. Good for him.

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You assume it was Fuente that did the recognizing. I don't see Whit normally meddling with his coach, but given the time remaining on Fuente's contract and the buyout, Whit may feel like he has to make the best of what he has for a couple of more years rather than move on.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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I assume it because I have no reason not to assume it. Has there been any evidence come out that this was forced on him from above?

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Nope, I am just going with a more pessimistic speculation. If Fuente brought him in over the summer to help with aspects of the team/game planning, odds are this was Fuente's move to bring him on full time. Fuente either realizes this team needs help and is getting some extra hands or Fuente is starting to realize this team is drowning and he is grabbing onto whatever he thinks will keep his head above water.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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How bout this take:

This is the best move Fuente has made since retaining Bud!!!

Think about Fuente's history. He has relied heavily on mentors he trusts and respects (see Blankenship, Patterson).

I do not see Fuente as the rugged individualist leader that only listens to himself. He's a maximizer. He needs ideas/people to throw off ideas and planning.

This guy was amazing everywhere he went! He's a great teacher, developer of talent and he is lower key. He'll never try to outshine the current staff. Save his health, we couldn't get him because he'd be winning with his own team somewhere else!

Kill has experience with smaller schools and building a major conference football program into a winner! (In Minnesota!! Yes, Minnesota!!!)

Who better to help a young coaching staff mature and assist in a DC transition WITHOUT being a threat to Fuente's position or job.

This just makes way too much sense! Kill could be just the piece (mentor) to change our program!!!

Eh, I feel like he's a good hire for the situation, but let's not get carried away with the hyperbole. Yes, he had Minnesota playing in bowl games on a regular basis, but it was Glen Mason that built that program. When he took over in 1997, Minnesota had played in a grand total of 5 bowl games (for those counting at home, that's one fewer than we'd played in pre-Beamer). By year 3, he had them in a bowl game, reached 7 bowl games in 10 years, and was fired for allowing the program to plateau.

Jerry Kill never exceeded the achievements of Glen Mason, and in fact never won a bowl game in his head coaching career (though he did take SIU to the FCS semis once), but he was a serviceable head coach, and should be a reliable mentor for a program currently enduring some significant turbulence.

Fair enough.

I think my "excitement" really stems from the improvement in chemistry. To have a mentor that Fuente trusts to help him reason through the tough decisions ahead could be huge!

We are always talking about the youth of our players, sometimes I forget that our youth movement is mirrored by many of our coaches.

Maybe Kill "coaching the coaches as well" will allow Fuente to do more of what he has does best in the past.

Exactly. Just like Fuente was a good hire for the Memphis situation. Success at one dumpster fire doesn't translate in to success in another.

This guy was amazing everywhere he went! He's a great teacher, developer of talent and he is lower key. He'll never try to outshine the current staff. Save his health, we couldn't get him because he'd be winning with his own team somewhere else!

His head coaching record at Minnesota was 29-29 from 2011-2015, with 3 bowl losses, and only 2 wins over ranked opponents. Wouldn't really call that a winner. As OC at Rutgers in 2017, they went 4-8 averaging just 18 points per game.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not sure we needed to hire someone to tell us our offense is bad. Fuente should be able to make that call.

**edit- added wins over ranked opponents.

you hire someone to tell you the solutions.

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Consulting 101. The problem is that we need someone to take action to implement those identified solutions.

My reply was based on a number of occasions that I've heard Fu mention in press conferences that anyone can point out the problems but it's his job and his staffs job to find the solutions. You don't make this hire unless you're willing to make some changes to the way you've been doing things.

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on the surface I agree, but as a consultant myself I have seen more than enough instances of help being brought in from the outside for the sole reason to give the appearance of making changes. Very, very often the work and recommendations from an outside consultant is completely worthless unless the buyer is culturally willing and committed to making changes. Otherwise a move like this is a lot of hand waving and will result in minimal tangible results.

Could be a stunt as you say but hand waving to appease the donors/fanbase short term has not been Fuentes' MO so far.

Every move he's made has been with an eye towards the overall health of the program.

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Thing is... Kill isn't a consultant, he is a full time staff member. Alabama has about half-dozen or more of these guys (experienced P5 coaches in analyst/support roles). It's not ground breaking and its something we should have been doing for years now.

Jerry Kill is a great hire if we let that B1G mind of his take a look at our OL and running game. I think he might be able to utilize our gigantic, talented OL a little better than we are right now.

I wonder if Whit was involved in this decision? If so, I would say this is a direct attempt to improve the offense, while at the same time, putting heat on CJF to improve as a coach. This in my opinion is a "coach in waiting" if CJF is fired. A temporary coach, not a long term option because of Kill's health issues. If Whit is involved, this is an attempt to light a fire under Fuente's back side (pun intended). Just my opinion, no sources.

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I dont think he's putting any heat on Fuente. No way Kill would take over any of the coaching positions given his health issues.

I think Whit is doing what he can to make Fuente successful. I think thats the right mentality for an AD to have. Trust your hire to diagnose problems for the team and help out in any way you can. Whit wants Fuente to be successful. Plus, sticking with him in the bad times will probably help with loyalty down the road if he does become successful.

Finding and landing a good coach that will bring success quickly is a crap shoot. Could easily go the route of decades without finding the one. I would prefer keeping staff consistent and fixing the problems so that we start winning again.

I would be shocked if this is a coach in waiting hire, because of Kill's health issues. However, he is a very trusted advisor from the same coaching circle that Gary Patterson and Fuente came from. His voice will be trusted and Kill probably knows how to comport himself in a way where it doesn't threaten the other coaches.

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I truly hope I'm wrong, I would hate our coaches to be in an environment like that. I think it would quickly trickle to the field. So I hope that he was hired for the reasons addressed in the press release.

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Fantastic hire. Makes sense for Kill given his health issues and also that he loves coaching and football (he didnt seem like an AD type).

Really hoping that an extra set of eyes and a world of football knowledge will help bring this team along. Hopefully in the next few weeks, French's reviews will include more of the "great play design" type talk and less of the "i have no idea what he's trying to do here" type.

I, for one, think this is a Killer hire.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

He'll be killing it out here.

Also, I have beaten the intermediate passing game to death. But they have to figure out how to convert 3rd and longs with defenses focused on taking away QB draw and verticals.

For example, on a 3rd and long on Saturday, Furman had 8 defenders in a wall 15 yards off the line of scrimmage. You can't throw verticals into that. To Cornelsen's credit, Robinson hitched up and got a nice chunk of yards back. But those are baby steps that were happening in big windows. They desperately need more timing and precision to work under the shell in spots where they can get the YAC to convert.

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Third quarter, drive ending at 1:30 to go. Three play calls in a row relying on YAC or similar. Third down, I find myself thinking here comes a short pass. Damn if I wasn't right. It's one thing to have faith in the abilities of your players to do something with the ball once it's in their hands. It's another thing, entirely, to make it a requirement for sustaining the drive. Especially when three plays in a row crap out the same way.

edit to add the video (two of the three plays shown. third play equally ineffective.):

So, on third down, we throw a pass caught at the line of scrimmage.

I probably won't see your write ups since they'll be TKPC, but I gotta say, the play calling (or reads within the called plays) left me wanting at times.

I probably won't see your write ups since they'll be TKPC

I know a simple fix for that problem.

Reduce 3rd and long occurrences by not calling the false start play on 1st or 2nd down.

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Or by picking up a stunt or blitz.....

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Fu's idea. Trusts Kill and provides another set of eyes and aid in game planning. Fu's stated a lot how much coaches have to work (nature of business and he knows that) and how changing from evening to morning practices has cut down on some of their prep time. Kill on staff is someone who's knowledgeable, has good experience, and can help the staff prepare more and perhaps provide some fresh perspective especially on self scouting while other can focus on scouting of upcoming opponent.

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This pretty much sums it up for me.

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

Good hire. He was here this summer for a bit....
Helping with Run game.... he should reach out to French....

I'm intrigued by the hire and wonder about all the conditions surrounding it. But, I wouldn't dare speculate.

Cue the "We'll never win because Fuente only hires FCS guys" complaints in 3...2...1...

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Does Fuente have any friends that can recruit this season and know how to play call offensively? Can he hire them?

I just came here to speculate on speculating while speculating...the more you know or something!

Either the roof is on fire or everything is just fine!

I'll check back after five to find out batman's Identity.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Think about the move like a corporation - why do big corporations spend millions on outside consultants? Sometimes a fresh perspective and added capacity for work/analysis is worth the $$$.

As for our current coaches, the same analogy applies. When my employer brought in 10 Price Waterhouse consultants for a major project, I chose to get on board, learn from them, and make sure they were also pulling their weight. The ones on my team that actively resisted are no longer here.

Edit: I just love this poster. Despite that, I do think this hire is a good one.

The only thing that comes to mind for me is when Initech brings in the consultants in Office Space.

Is Cornelson the guy in the movie freaking out about his job?

Is he Peter, just saying screw it and not caring about work, (the offense)?

Is the run game his red stapler and we need to put him down in the basement?

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The only thing that comes to mind for me is when Initech brings in the consultants in Office Space.

Consultants can contribute a lot more than a reorg - my favorite example is how Starbucks brought BCG in to redesign their digital strategy, ultimately resulting in the creation of their mobile app (which IMO is probably the best food-pick up app I've ever used); it's a fascinating case study of how an in-app/online user experience can influence a non-tech company's brand image and top line. And yes, I am a complete nerd about these things.

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Is the timing at all odd? Three games into a challenging season, after tons of off season drama, right before your legendary D Coordinator retires. This seems like a move to prep for next year more than helping this year.

We got a few extra days with the off weekend coming up. Enough time for Kill to move into his office and get settled in.

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EDIT: Sorry, thought you made a 'time to kill' pun here, which...you did not.

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Fu said he tried to hire him over the summer.

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I doubt he's a coach/coordinator in waiting for anyone due to his health issues. He's a decent enough coaching candidate that he'd be coaching somewhere (not an advisor) if his health was good enough for him to do the job so I think you can rule that option out if anyone is thinking that.

My guess is Whit had approached Fuente with a pseudo-ulitmatum of make a change or I'll make one for you. So Fuente went out and got a guy he trusts and is familiar with. Kill's role will basically to take the more administrative duties off Fuente while also mentoring him with all the things that go into being a head coach at this level. You don't have to be a fan of turkey bacon to see Fuente has some sort of personality/communication issue that has rubbed people the wrong way both inside and outside of the program. Taking some of those administrative and planning duties would also allow Fuente to get more hands on with the offense and other more direct roles involving the players as well.

This is a pretty decent move to make in season to attempt to correct issues. At the very least you have to feel good about the fact that someone in a decision making position sees there are issues and is attempting to do something instead of just plowing ahead hoping problems just sort themselves out.

This gives a new meaning to the "Who would you FMK" game

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Jerry Kill is an absolute champion. Love this hire. Love that he is behind the scenes. Love that he is now at VT. Anything he does will make us better.

I like that we are showing signs that something isn't right, but this the first step to the firing of someone. JF or Corn.

On the completely other side, JF could be just throwing an old friend a bone that doesn't have the best health for a stressful position like being an AD. Grant it, we need the help.

Time will tell.

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The Hokies are not firing Fuente any time soon, and this hire is not a sign of anything close to that.

Leonard. Duh.

I agree, but it could lead to Cornelson's departure. Jerry has been hired to, among other things, analyze the offense and gameplan. If his analysis concludes that Corn is not getting the job done adequately ( a conclusion that I think would be supported by a large chunk of the fanbase), he could probably convince Fu to make the change. Like most coaches, Fuente seems to value loyalty. The only way I could see him willingly letting his old friend and OC go, would be if an even more trusted advisor, like Kill, convinced him it was necessary.

β€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Maybe Kill can help Corn do a better job. Maybe no one gets shit canned.

JP

I hope so. But I also hope it's because we start looking like a good football team again, not because our HC is reluctant to pull the trigger when needed.

β€œYou got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Fuente produced 3 points, 6 penalties and 2 turnovers in the first half against Furman at home. Yeah, he has next to zero margin for error right now, and he knows it.

I dont see a Fuente in the box score, nor do i remember VT sidelines being flagged

Then what are we paying him 4 million dollars a year for???

You'd have to ask his boss that, im not paying him 4 million to do anything

So you distanced him from being responsible for the box score. But you don't know what he is responsible for....

Yes, I've probably read as much of his contract as you have

Well if you ever see it hopefully there is someone around to read it to you.

This is, in my view, an admission that things are not going well in Blacksburg. My hat's off to Fuente for recognizing he needs help. I hope this yields more positive changes

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I wonder if the long term plan is to have Kill as special assistant on the offensive side and Bud as special assistant on the defensive side?

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I honestly don't know how much this hire moves the needle. I don't think you will get what most are hoping for with some kind of firing. It tells me Fuente is spread a little thin and wants to allocate a little more time to some things. It should absolutely be viewed as a good hire but I don't expect macro changes.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

First glance, this is the jolt needed in the coaches room.

Second glance, can't work with players, oof, he's way too good of a coach not to be able to work with the players

Third glance, I'd be concerned about ANY current coach. Let alone the offensive coordinator, consulting can lead to unwanted or unnecessary results

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The more I look into it, the more it sounds like the only restriction is that he can't participate on the practice field. He might be able to coach them in the film room or similar, though.

Barber and Bitter were posting a quote from Tre about how much speaking with Kill over the summer has helped him. So I would assume that was part of the hope, that he can help offline.

A lot of wild speculation on the timing here. My guess is that this has been in the works for a while and would have happened even if we were 3-0 with two blowout wins. You can't pull off something like this overnight.

"Don't go to, go through"

Honestly, the most likely situation is that Fuente finally convinced him that he really needs the help, if the rumors that he tried offering him the job over the summer are true. And they are definitely plausible considering the reports that Kill already provided some advice over the summer

Are they rumors if they come from the guy who did the hiring?

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I know the announcement included a blurb about Kill having spent some time with the coaching staff during the preseason. I didn't know that Fuente had confirmed anything about having offered him a job at the same time. Also, as tight-lipped as he is about everything, that doesn't sound like something he'd tell us anyway. Hence why I said "rumor", but perhaps I'm wrong.

I'm fine with this, but if he tries to get rid of Samir Nagheenanajar and Michael Bolton i'm going to be pissed!

You mean Samir Notgonnaworkhereanymore?

I think this is Fuente realizing that with the loss of Galen Scott, he no longer has anyone on staff that he can confide in to tell him when change is required. Scott was likely the only guy that could and would call Fuente on BS when he felt it was going sideways - no one on the current staff has that level of trust / seniority with CJF. I believe Ballein played that role for CFB along with Hite and eventually Foster. But to have that open relationship, you need a lot of trust, experience and probably only works with a few relationships.

Hopefully Fuente realizes results aren't what he wants and needs an outside in opinion to tell him his baby is ugly, where needed - that is absent in today's staff outside of maybe Whit at the end of the season. I think this is a wise move.

I believe Ballein played that role for CFB along with Hite and eventually Foster.

Then why was Stinespring the OC from 2002-2012? Beamer must have been super loyal to Stiney.

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In retrospect, during Stiney's 10 year tenure as OC the Hokies were a combined 109-39 with 6 Division titles, 4 ACC championships, and 5 BCS bowl appearances. The team went 8-5 in 2003 and then won 10 or more games for the next 8 years. In his last year as OC the team went 7-6 and Beamer demoted him to TE coach.

While the offense underwhelmed statistically, it fit Beamer's culture of ball control, exceptional defense and special teams and led an incredible run of wins. I think CFB took a W-L approach to the program; after the 7-6 season he realized a change was needed and I suspect someone likely pushed him in the direction of needing to upgrade the offense. But having lived through that time and lamenting the offensive performance, history shows it worked. Thinking VT was an OC away from multiple national titles is wishful thinking at best and more than likely delusional.

My biggest problem with the Stinespring era was the inability to create offense at the beginning of the season. In 2006, we decided halfway through the season that maybe Sean Glennon shouldn't throw too much and we should run Branden Ore 30 times a game. We won 6 in a row. In 2007, we decided that maybe we should do the 2 headed monster at quarterback with Glennon and Tyrod halfway through the year, and we won the ACC. In 2008, they decided to start running Darren Evans 20 some times a game after we had stumbled to 6-4, and we rebounded to win the ACC and Orange Bowl. I wish the coaches were able to see that stuff before the season.

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I wish the coaches were able to see that stuff before the season.

I too, wish I could see into the future.

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The coaches spend all spring and August with most of the players that are going to round out the two deep. They should have a pretty good idea of who is capable of what by week 1.

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This is oversimplifying. You have an idea what your players are capable of in practice against their teammates. Live games against new opponents each week introduce a huge number of variables. Problems can pop up that you've never seen in practice.

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I think that in the case of 2006-2008, the defense that the offense faced (when it wasn't scout team) was better than every defense they were going to face that season with the exception of LSU in 2007.

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So we went undefeated during that stretch then?

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How did you get that?

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I didn't get the full context of that comment in relation to your initial one. Now having read them both multiple times I still don't understand your point. Could you elaborate?

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I said that I wish the coaches had figured out the offense's capabilities before the season started. I said this because I feel like it should have been clear that in 2006, Glennon should have thrown less. In 2007, we needed two quarterbacks. In 2008, Darren Evans needed to be the focal point of the offense.

Saying that the defense was the best in college football from 2006-2008 and seeing it go against our inept offense should have offered those hints.

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Yeah okay. I still think it's not quite that simple. I'm sure it's hard to evaluate your offense when the defense is smothering them all the time. It's impossible to REALLY know what you have until the games start.

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I agree with this. And someone else made the comment that since we run a defense that is "different" our offense has to adjust every game. Next year if we have a more "standardized" defense and not Buds version we may see a different offense on the field.

I will say though, sometimes it seems like the coaching staff are not watching the same games we are watching.

I remind myself that they know more about the game and our players than I do.

But still...

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My post was meant to be sarcastic but forgot the /S.

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I believe Ballein played that role for CFB

Ballein's role with CFB was similar to Doug Stamper on House of Cards.

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For crying out loud, with the theories of an ultimatum by Whit, etc.. give it a rest and give Fuente some credit for the move.... sheesh

Virginia Tech hires former Minnesota coach Jerry Kill as special assistant to the head coach
From Michael Niziolek
Virginia Tech coach Justin Fuente called Jerry Kill up during fall camp and asked him to spend a few days in Blacksburg.
Kill, who had successful stints at Northern Illinois and Minnesota, was working as Southern Illinois athletic director after a series of medical setbacks forced him to step away from the field.
Fuente opened his doors for Kill β€” the longtime coach stayed at the Fuente's house during the August visit β€” and wanted his honest feedback on the state of Virginia Tech's football team.
"I wanted to talk about everything from the minute details of what he noticed," Fuente said. "I've done this before with other coaches β€” people you know that you can bring in that will tell you the truth. You don't really want someone to come in and say, 'yup, everything looks good' and leave. You want somebody that has got the courage and knowledge base to give you good feedback."
Fuente wouldn't share the specifics of those conversations, but they impressed him enough to see if Kill would consider a permanent position on staff and resulted in Monday's announcement of him as a special assistant to the head coach.

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Fuente opened his doors for Kill β€” the longtime coach stayed at the Fuente's house during the August visit

This single sentence should put it to rest.

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We have not gotten the most talent wise out of our offense. Kill has been known from getting the most out of players and then some. This is a positive.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

I don't know why Kill was hired, but a seasoned leader and football mind that Fuente trusts can only help. I assume it was Fuente's call and I think that takes some humility. I hope Kill can illuminate certain things for CJF regarding how he's handling his team.

I'm tired of seeing these kids hang their heads everytime they make a mistake, to know, that they have violated the coaching staff's rules of 'THINGS THAT ARE UNACCEPTABLE' (like fumbles), even though they are inevitable. Look no further than our nation leading turnovers to understand that holding an unrelenting whip over the kids isn't preventing it. More importantly focusing on avoiding mistakes takes critical energy away from things like, you know, making plays and having some fun out there.

I hate Miami's turnover chain (just because they're Miami and Miami sucks ass), but at least they're demonstrating and applying a basic principle of human psychology - people learn things better when they're rewarded for an outcome. I look forward to seeing how CJF and the staff continue to adjust things.

"How you doin', Randy?"

I'm tired of seeing these kids hang their heads everytime they make a mistake, to know, that they have violated the coaching staff's rules of 'THINGS THAT ARE UNACCEPTABLE' (like fumbles), even though they are inevitable. Look no further than our nation leading turnovers to understand that holding an unrelenting whip over the kids isn't preventing it.

Look up Fu's post-game press conference for what he said to Tre Turner after his fumble.

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Yes! That was a good example!

"How you doin', Randy?"

Was it? Fuente went straight to Turner to lift him up and Turner was a focal point of the offense in the second half. This is different than the King benching in which coaches saw King being careless with the ball in a way he was told not to be in practice and decided to use that as a teachable moment.

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Sorry, what I meant was that this was a good example of loosening up and encouraging players when they do the things that NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO DO OR THEY SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME.

One example is good. Now I'd like to see him LIVE it.

"How you doin', Randy?"

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I would get rid of him into an Analyst Role and let Kill come on full-time as a coach and work with Cornelson.

Gameplanning and Playcalling certainly seems to be fading

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The role is supposed to be to allow a coach to visit recruits.

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He's not doing a good job of that, we don't need him

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So does this mean we're going to have to change our song from Enter Sandman to any song off of Kill 'em All?

I can say from first hand knowledge Jerry Kill is a first rate football coach and a good man all around. I hope he helps Fuente right the ship.

Anybody else wondering if Kill could have been brought in to also help with the search for a new DC?

While the immediate benefit is another set of eyes to dissect film and maybe corny, he could also help assist in the search.

For what it's worth Fu said this was not related to Bud.

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Which probably means that it is, in fact, related to Bud, right?

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

All but confirms it. My sauces say that Kill will relay the signals to the defense as Bud calls them in via snapchat from his wakeboard on SML.

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Claytor, though, right?

You, sir, are correct.

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Oh... Uhh... I guess news has not spread of Buds semi-retirement wakeboarding tour of all of Virginia's notable bodies of water.

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Sure. But he lives on Claytor. I just figured that was the most likely of references. No worries, have a leg...

well, now that they gave Jerry Kill his coach's old job, Dwayne Lawson is totally gonna transfer.

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I think it was offensive quality control but I still got a laugh out of it.

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It takes some creativity to pull off a good Dwayne Lawson joke these days. Well done.

Using /s is for cowards.

So he cannot coach players, but he has definitely had plenty of interaction based on several players reacting to the hire on twitter. Seems to be positive reactions all around.

"These people are losing their minds!"

Fu/Whit doing what they can to make a bowl game ahead of a disastrous re-seating campaign. They are not sitting idle after needing a miracle on side kick penalty to escape Furman at home. Fu knows this is not a good team. He knows 7 wins will be a struggle, he knows what he has. If Kill can make a difference in game planning to steal one from Pitt or GT and help Whit sell some tix next year, all will be happy. This is not a magic pill, this is desperation after Furman nearly beat you.

Okay first of all

steal one from Pitt or GT

LOL. GT is not close to the same level as Pitt and it is laughable to group them together.

Secondly

This is not a magic pill, this is desperation after Furman nearly beat you

I don't buy this at all. If you believe Fuente when he says this move has been in the works since summer, and I do, then this wasn't some desperate hire done in the aftermath of a poor performance against an FCS team. The timing may make it seem that way but these types of hires don't just happen over night. It's not like they called Jerry up on Saturday evening and hired him on Monday morning. Things just don't work that way.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Cool, but we have lost 3 straight to GT, so yeah not putting them in the win column and Pitt is 1-2 right now.
Not sure why that is so absurd? We will struggle to beat either team this year.

it's possible we might struggle to beat either team regardless, but "we lost the last three" isn't exactly justification for why we'd lose this next one with a team under a new coach playing a totally different system etc etc etc. context matters

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GT is different. We also scored 3 points at home against Furman in the first half. Yep. context matters. We will struggle to beat GT in Atlanta this year. Nothing on the field in 2019 indicates to me that we won't. I thought Furman was a sure win... until they lined up for an onside kick with a minute left in the game in Lane.

again, if your point is that we'll struggle to beat GT because we struggled to beat Furman, you should have said that and not that we'll struggle to beat GT because we've lost the last three against them, which is the point i was responding to.

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You are missing my point.... so I will spell it out. After watching the team for 3 weeks, we will struggle against EVERYONE we play. Or is that not obvious to you? I'll grant you rhode Island... We should beat them easily. GT? on the road? nope, I don't put them in that category at all. Not even close. I don't care if they are transitioning- so are we apparently. We struggled to beat Furman. You can chalk up the auto W in atlanta if you want.

After watching the team for 3 weeks, we will struggle against EVERYONE we play.

Do we get to apply this logic to Georgia Tech based on their performance against their opponents thus far too? Because if so something has to give here.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Both teams are bad. Agreed. That's perfectly logical. The idea that we are some sleeping giant and GT is trash this year because of the new coach is simply not true. They have more talent on both sides of the ball than ODU and Furman. Yes, they are transitioning from the triple option, but they still play decent defense, and we are simply not a good football team right now.

The idea that we are some sleeping giant

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't know if you did this on purpose or not, but I just noticed that a young Jerry Kill does slightly resemble the great Dr. Tobias Onyango FΓΌnke...

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Is a young Jerry Kill the only coach in sports to look like the humanized version of his school's mascot?

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I'm not missing your point. In fact, I even said "we might struggle to beat either team regardless", but losing three in a row to Coach Chop Block O'Clock Chinballs is irrelevant to the discussion about VT @ GT in 2019.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I usually agree with you....we're under preforming, we're playing bad. We are not 'struggling to beat ' GT bad this year.

(add if applicable) /s

I hope not. We struggled to beat Furman though. At home.

I tend to agree with DC on this one. There's simply nothing to indicate we're good enough to easily beat any team this year (right now). Go watch GT, they have a stronger D, whereas VT has the better O. We've never beaten GT under Fuente. What happens when/if key injuries come calling? Statistically, GT and ODU are pretty similar from a total offense perspective, but GT will be much better defensively. So I'm just not sure what evidence we have yet, to say GT will be an easy win.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

You didn't respond to his point about the hiring timing, because what you said doesn't make any sense.

Also, the Hokies didn't need a miracle onsides penalty to win that game. Even with the ball, Furman was going to have drive 40 yards and score a TD to tie the game. They only managed a FG on a short field in the last 30 minutes of play.

While Saturday wasn't ideal, I chalk it up to a bad scrimmage, because that's what it was. This is still a VERY young team. The difference this year is that everybody is on the same page emotionally which will lend itself to more potent positive strides in the growth of several key players.

Your takes are so hot, you probably have to wear flame retardant pajamas when you're on the computer.

Are you going to be upset, or happy when the Hokies win the Coastal this year?

Leonard. Duh.

My takes are hot, as you justify squeaking by Furman at home. Nice.

Sure, man... I got a little time to be sucked into your world...

There was no justification. When you pay a team not in your league to come play at your house; it's a scrimmage. The result was not great. So, I called it a bad scrimmage. Not sure what you mean there. I also clarified the Hokies "needing" the penalty to win. That's not true. If the refs had picked up that flag, Furman would not have won the game at that point. They still would have needed to drive almost 1/2 the length of the field to score a TD... something they hadn't done since the 1st half.

You would do better with measured responses; that are actually responses to what was actually posted. If you can't manage that, I recommend just posting Hermione GIFs, or mayonnaise jokes in the future.

Leonard. Duh.

"While Saturday wasn't ideal, I chalk it up to a bad scrimmage, because that's what it was. This is still a VERY young team. The difference this year is that everybody is on the same page emotionally which will lend itself to more potent positive strides in the growth of several key players."

We played Furman - as a 21 point favorite in Lane...the terror dome, Enter Sandman, .. an FCS opponent. And that was your analysis. That's a justification for a piss poor performance, IMO that if accepted as a "scrimmage" will sink VT's football culture into Maryland territory, where the upper part of the south endzone being empty will be the norm.

So... if I stomp around and yell about barely winning the Furman game the team will be better and more people will show up?

Okay. I'm obviously not doing this right, and my time here is up.

Leonard. Duh.

I don't know. What I do know is that if we keep playing like we have the past two weeks, thousands of more people will not show up, and the coach is going to be fired. Youth, scrimmage situations, positive signs in some areas aside. 6 penalties and 2 turnover in 17 minutes is not good football- even in a scrimmage, and those two things are directly related to coaching. Unless you think furman has better players than we do.

6 penalties and 2 turnover in 17 minutes is not good football- even in a scrimmage, and those two things are directly related to coaching...

Yeah, which is why I called it a bad scrimmage. Can't necessarily blame all those aforementioned errors on coaching though. I would assume that our coaches are telling the boys to hold on to the ball and not to move until the ball is snapped.

On another note, please do not mistake me for an unabashedly, all-in apologist for teamFuente. I do think that management mistakes have been made, and are being made by this staff. I'm just one of those old-timers who still thinks that patience is a virtue, and and a little "let's see how this plays out" could do the trick. I also think that there is no way VT is firing Fuente until at least 2021 for anything short of criminal activity, so bucking and ramming around here all day screaming for his head on a platter is absolutely pointless. One of my other weaknesses, besides patience, is to trust others to do the job they are paid to do. I trust that VT hired a good AD in Babcock, and I trust that his decision to pull the trigger or not on anything football, will not be made until after he has thoughtfully considered and calculated the decision based on the knowledge and experience that he has... and I don't.

Leonard. Duh.

Wish I could give more than 1 leg for this. Well stated.

I'm just here to sling some legs

We are all living in the past. We have not been the terror dome in almost a decade. We are only going to fill the stands for "Big" games. The time when we were selling out every week is over. Especially now that every game is going to be televised. So you might as well get used to the "new" norm.

I knew you would find a reason to dislike this move

Dislike? lol. I never said anything close to that. It's not a magic pill, IMO. Never said I "disliked" it. He can't recruit on the road, and he can't coach players in games. He was hired over the weekend. It's essentially a John Bellein role for Fu. I don't dislike it. I also know it's not the secret to be more competitive against bad and inferior teams talent wise.

"this is desperation after Furman nearly beat you."

I think most people would take that as an unfavorable view of the hire.

Do you honestly think this was done over the weekend? Have you ever hired someone, especially at a government institution? You can't get an offer letter out in less than a week, much less acceptance and announcement.

It's clear you don't think Fuente is the answer, and that's fine, but you seem to be at the point where nothing he does is ever a good call, and everything he does sucks. Am I getting this right?

I sat through the game in the stands Saturday. Justin Fuente is not lombardi.. I said it. Yes. Did you enjoy the 6 penalties and 2 turnovers in the first 17 minutes vs. Furman? Was that good? Is leading the NCAA in turnovers good? Is scoring 3 points in a half against Furman good? The jury is out on Kill since he was just hired- even though it's been in the works for a long time according to you- Let's give him a month as a a consultant to evaluate shall we? For now, it looks like a reaction to Furman nearly picking you off at home, though. A week after the lackluster ODU performance. I'm sure the timing was an HR thing though.

So you're calling Fuente a liar? He said it had been in the works for awhile.

Nope, not calling Fuente a liar. Thanks

The jury is out on Kill since he was just hired- even though it's been in the works for a long time according to you- Let's give him a month as a a consultant to evaluate shall we? For now, it looks like a reaction to Furman nearly picking you off at home, though. A week after the lackluster ODU performance. I'm sure the timing was an HR thing though.

Your quote above suggests that you don't think it was in the works for awhile which is the opposite of what Fuente said. Which means you don't believe him, which means you're calling him a liar. For a Communications major you have got to be the worst communicator I've ever seen.

I am not calling Justin Fuente a liar... how plainly do you want me to say it? Kill was JUST hired. That is a fact.

it was just announced, but you are ignoring the fact that hiring takes time. Do you really think this was cooked up all in the course of 1-2 days?

How long ago do you think they offered this specific job to Jerry Kill? As in writing?

We all know at this level that the job is only offered when it's agreed that you'll take it. If you read the article it's clear that Fuente has been working on this since the summer. Why are you choosing this hill to die on?

He said he has been working on it since summer but if you read his presser he said once Danielle left he had some flexibility. So a position of some sort has been open since she left. That was three weeks ago yesterday. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that Saturday prompted them to finally pull the trigger on it since it wasn't done soon after she left.

I know people like to rag on dc here, but based on Fuente's quotes he has a reason to be suspicious.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It is also quite possible that the offer was made in Summer but the price tag went up after Danielle left because they had a little extra payroll money floating.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

That could be the case. My point is just that the timing can be perceived as suspicious and people shouldn't be mad at DC for being suspicious. Other people have found the timing weird (myself included). Not just DC.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Why are you choosing this hill to die on?

It's DC. He chooses new hills to die on all the time.

I mean it could be Fuente and he could have been working on this since summer, I can't say that isn't true, but if it wasn't true, do you think they would really come out and say Whit brought this guy in to either audit or replace a current coach?

Recruit Prosim

I don't think they'd say that, but the facts don't indicate it, either.

No I'm not saying they do either. I'm just pointing out that what they said happened is pretty irrelevant because they would say the same thing either way

Recruit Prosim

Why do you insist on focusing on when exactly the hiring happened? We should not be nitpicking when someone was sent an offer letter. Fans like you are making this season even more unbearable. I bet you're a real joy to have as a coworker.

LOL... there is some area between "exactly" and last week or since June.

This is 100% pure speculation yet written so matter of factly.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

Yes it is speculation. Just like 99% of the content on this board. I never said it wasn't, never claimed to have inside info. It is my opinion.

Yet stated as if any other explanation or conclusion is preposterous. I agree with you, for what it is worth, that the hire will not be a magic pill. If it is, what does it say about the staff's ability to self reflect at all. I believe more than anything it is a time management improvement and maybe Fuente can spare a few hours a week more coaching instead of planning.

We are without a doubt a struggling team right now that has zero Ws guaranteed. I do think you are overblowing the first half of Furman slightly though. The ability to calmly take care of the second half means as much to me as the inability to execute first half. But, last year this team was incapable of halftime adjustments. This year they are showing flashes of growth. I have not given up on the possibility of having a much more mature and physical team by the end of the year.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

good Post. good insight. My concern with Furman was the first 17 minutes- 6 penalties and 2 turnovers. That is coaching.

But its also coaching to identify and fix the mistake which they did in the other 43 minutes of the game.

Sorry, not going to applaud Saturday's coaching against an FCS team needing a favorable onside kick call for the win. sorry. Fuente makes 4 million per year. He should be able to handle Furman for 60 minutes.

Part of me is hoping he's just slow playing these inferior teams (minus BC, that was just a fluke 5 TO game) and limiting the playbook and such. Then once we hit the bulk of the ACC schedule, he's just like: Fuck you Duke, here's some offensive wizardy" then just go back into hibernation for ND since that's just not going to happen... then when we play UNC (in an inevitable hurricane) be like: "Hey Mack, fuck you too, NC2VT fo lyfe"

/s

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I hope so. Turnovers aren't flukes though. Better coached teams have less turnovers when using decent sample sizes. It's a reflection on coaching and mental preparation. Bad teams tend to turn the ball over a lot and vis versa

Or do more talented teams have to force and fight for less? I think coaching can affect turnovers, but largely it is more attributed to fluke or talent. Think about it, you are more likely to fumble trying to make 8 yards on a 6 yard pass on 3rd down versus scampering out of bounds after running for 8 on 2nd and 2.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

Some turnovers are flukes. Some are the result of bad habits. Some are the results of bad decisions.

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Simply is not true, the following top 25 teams are in bottom 100 in turnovers:

102. Clemson (6 TO)
102. Florida
102. Texas AM
102. UVA
102. Boise St.

20% of the top 25 teams are in the bottom 100 in terms of turnovers! Even Duke, which regardless of talent is always described as disciplined and well coached is 78th in turnovers.

I wasn't happy with the coaching but I don't know how to blame coaching for a pop out fumble, drastically missed wide open receiver tipped and intercepted, and mental error penalties. Coaching put those particular plays in a position to succeed.

The concern of things staying the same is only exceeded by the fear of change

One thing I can always count on from a DCWILSON post....sucking the life out of the entire website and everyone who sets eyes on his posts....you are an emotional vampire of negativity and low energy.

VHokie

I found some lyrics from a song that fits most of DC post.

Heat lighting flash, but don't blink, misleading.
Tranquility ruse.
You're gonna happen again.
That's what I think.
Follow the evidence.
Look it dead in the eye.
Your darkness.
Trying to lull us in, before the havoc begins, into a
dubious state of serenity.
Acting all surprised when you're caught in a lie.
We know better.
It's not unlike you.
It's not unlike you.
We know your nature.

Tales told of battles won
Of things we've done
Caligula would grin

They are not sitting idle after needing a miracle on side kick penalty to escape Furman at home.

Even if the call had not gone our way, that does not mean that Furman would have won the game. Your comment seems to imply they would have, Furman might have had momentum but they were trailing by 7 at the time and had been kept out of the end zone the entire second half. If they had scored a touchdown in the last 1:49 of the game, they would have had to go for a two point conversion to win or send the game into overtime. My O & M glasses say we would have won anyway.

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

I interrupt this otherwise extremely productive pedantry to bring you some news that everyone will agree is good.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Minnesota... 2011: 4.09 YPC; 2012: 3.82 ypc; 2013:4.45 YPC; 2014 :4.47 YPC; 2015: 4.2 YPC

I hope a fresh set of eyes does help Corny. The run game is broken.

Not to burst yours or anybody's bubble - because I really do like the hire and think Coach Kill is going to help our program. But our numbers from the first three years with Corny were...
2016: 4.0 YPC
2017: 3.9 YPC
2018: 4.4 YPC
Numbers that are right on par with Coach Kill's at Minnesota. Some people are claiming that he was sort of a running game wizard at Minnesota but that's not exactly true from what I see. That being said, I think we're going to look back and see big improvement in our running game over the course of the season and I'm stoked to see King light it up, and Turner & Robinson break away on some of those end-around plays.

This is good to consider but French even cited the lack of talent Kill worked with in Minnesota. Even though their numbers don't look great they were punching above their weight relative to the talent they had. The assumption, I suppose, is that this Hokies team has more talent than his Minnesota teams. If it's true that he can milk the most out of what he's got then I'm happy to give it a try. I think oline technique has to be the first area that is addressed. Idk if it's a function of RPO or not but the oline just doesn't fire off the line for running plays... I hope Kill makes that a priority

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Fu's been saying for 4 years that the run game isn't good enough and the coaches need to coach better. Glad we're taking action and I hope we see results on the field before bowl eligibility is beyond reach.

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Maybe I missed this but is this just a one-season hire or long-term?

2 year deal I believe

His buy out after year one is a six pack. Kill can only help.

JP

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

First order of business: Join TKP, read film review from French.

Is it basketball season yet?

Give the ball to #35. He bounces off tackles and gains more yards per carry than others. A new consultant should quickly realize his name is "King".

JP

While everybody wants to see King get more carries, this may not be a season-long solution. As a true freshman without a year of conditioning and weight room work, this is more likely to lead to an injury than a rushing record.

He should get a lot of touches, but they are going to have to get yards on the ground from someone else in addition to King.

Yeah. The coaching staff knows this too, that is why Turner, Robinson and Mitchell all got carries against Furman, because we can't seem get meaningful yards from any other RB. Hopefully someone else from the RB room will step up, because you can only run so many sweep plays. I'm a little surprised we haven't seen Wheatley get some more reps with Holston being out.

That's the design of the VT offense. If the QB makes the wrong RPO, the RB gets killed. If the RB can't make one MLB miss in corny's design, he gets killed. UGA, Penn State and many other schools have freshman backs that do just fine right out of HS. Our run game design does King no favors if the read is wrong or he can't juke an unblocked guy

After French's post on Jerry Kill's offense at Minnesota, I went back and watched some footage from his 2012-2013 teams. French nailed it when he said QP looked like a more talented version of Kill's QB's. What they were doing in the run game looked tailor made for his skill set. Also big chunk passing plays off of play action/bootlegs. It was also super refreshing to see some I formation.

The way the QBs aggressively sold fakes also really stood out. It really opened things up in the run game, as well as overall more physical blocking up front. I don't know that Fu will want to go that heavy on the run considering we only really have one impact back right now and a load of WRs, but having a more credible and physical run threat at QB could help a ton.

Well this thread went to shit

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So you're saying the Kill thread has come to fruition and has been Kill'd?

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Every time I see this thread, my brain registers 'Jerry Kill Joining VT' into 'Kim Jong Un'

Not sure why that's relevant, but I find it more interesting than all the other crap that was going on above

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Just getting back to normal schedule, but can you only imagine when Jerry got back home Friday night after the game?

Dear Diary,
What have I gotten myself into????

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
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