April 2020 Recruiting Discourse Thread

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While this additional dead period is certainly hurting us in some capacities, as it is doing to most schools not named Ohio State, I think it may have the added benefit if condensing the recruiting calendar so much that total visits are reduced. If you're not tracking with me, I'm talking in regards to guys we have some momentum with or have had on campus having fewer chances to look around. I think you'll see multiple schools who got guys on campus early and often before this thing benefit in the long run with this particularly key visit stretch being totally eliminated.

It'll also help suss out the importance of the visits that happen after the additional dead period. Because there are fewer weekends available, the opportunity cost of spending a weekend at Tech (as opposed to anywhere else) is telling.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We jumped like 10 spots yesterday with a 3 star commit. This is s friendly reminder that the rankings are meaningless this time of year. Not to take away from the commitment, I think he may be a beast for us.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

The large scale class rankings are meaningless at this juncture because of the variance in class size, but you can still draw some conclusions.

>> Bama clearly slow playing their commitment options.

>> Ohio State, Clemson, Florida, and UNC are off to great starts.

That doesn't mean a ton right now, but it's not like there aren't any trends available to see.

Sure, but just this week on this forum we had someone using our "38th ranked recruiting class" as part of a data series in an attempt to demonstrate a trend

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Any news on the Ricky Slade front? I cannot give up on the idea of having a potential elite rb in the backfield...

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

I am glad you mentioned this. I totally forgot he was in the transfer portal. This is going to be a very weird time for transfers. There may be some caught in no mans land (even more so than before).

I would love to have him in our locker room.

I don't see any new info in terms of actrual articles. Bleacher report put this one out on 2/26 but they seem to be just guessing.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2877656-final-landing-spot-predictio...

PennLive.com's Greg Pickel speculated the Woodbridge, Virginia, native could head closer to home and play for Virginia Tech, FCS powerhouse James Madison or Old Dominion, where former Nittany Lion offensive coordinator Ricky Rahne is the head coach.

Playing for the Monarchs and Rahne could be an intriguing option, and Slade could be the man there, but he's probably still convinced he can play Power Five football. That might happen under Hokies coach Justin Fuente, who doesn't have anybody like Slade.

A Blacksburg landing is a good bet, even if Slade hasn't scheduled any visits yet.

Prediction: Virginia Tech

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Ooooo

Cut and divide it all right in two

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And if it's a double-tailed coin and we call tails, it will land on its edge.

At least as far as Virginia Tech recruiting goes.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Anyone watch enough Penn St. football to know what the deal was there? Was he not as hyped? Injuries that put him behind in the depth chart? If he did land here, would he be likely to take a lion's share of the carries?

Passed on the depth chart by other RBs. Good players aren't afraid of competition, but someone has to end up getting the short end of the stick in situations like that.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Sure, but the question was really is he as talented as he was supposed to be coming out of HS? Would he be a clear #1 on our team? Or would he just be another guy in our ever growing stable of running backs?

We don't want him

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Let's get them all

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Something something numbers always work out

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NCAA just extended the recruiting dead period to May 31st.

So transfers will be interesting this year. Long term 2021 and '22 in person evaluations and offers will be interesting.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Yep a lot of in person evals take place in spring/summer.

It seems like every time I open the recruiting thread we've offered a few more players. Are we offering more players these days than in years past, or do I just know all of our offers because you all are really good at posting them now? I don't do Rivals or 247, so my exposure to recruiting is limited to what is said on TKP.

Offer reporting on Twitter/social media made it easier to see every person a team is offering. This year will be a bigger class than last year, so we will he extending more offers, but even so the term is a bit silly since they are not even "official" offers until Sep 1st(?) I believe.

I also don't really care if we offer 200 kids or 400 kids. Some people take some kind of weird superiority if their school "only" offered 250 kids and another school offered 400. Both schools are sending out a huge number of offers you can't commit too.

However, there is probably someone (not me) who has been tracking our total reported offers every year and could give you the trends or percent increases.

The number of real/commit-able offers from the Top half of the power 5 are strikingly similar if you had insight and truth serum. Problem is, it's impossible to find out the real number unless the NCAA starts mandating the distinction. Guessing its less than 75 per cycle..probably less than 50 that a Nick Saban would actually sign off on. Tennessee's 450 offers are mostly horse shit.

I started scrolling twitter more and posting here. Partially as a distraction bc work was slow and i had some life stuff going on that wasn't always the best to dwell on mentally, and partially because I kept seeing a narrative that our staff wasn't putting in the work coupled to the poorly rated 2020 class. I was curious to see how new coaches hit the ground running

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Everybody's offering a lot more in the last few years.

The total number of realistic offers - truly committable right NOW, non-"pie-in-the-sky" offers - probably hasn't changed much. But they're maybe only 20% or so now vs maybe 50% in years past.

I'd look at the recruits for whom VT would or do pay for an official visit and those would or do take VT up on the offer as a better (but not perfect) indicator of serious interest on both sides.

I very much agree that following the visits is historically a better way to track real interest. There can be confounding factors, "are they going with their lower ranked friends to get them offers?," or "is it just convenient to go because its nearby?" but I think they are in general the best way to track serious interest. When guys are setting up OV's that's generally a strong indicator.

Jacoby Pinckney landed at App St

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

interesting. Was G5 expected ? I hadn't followed along well enough.

Our offensive scheme requires about a more than usual amount of scholarships for wide receivers. So, if you get passed on the depth chart, or don't expect to play with who is in front of you, even after some special teams action over the year, it's best to transfer for playing time. We had preferred walk-ons starting last year.

He's a great high school talent, and will shine where given the opportunity. App St will do that for him, in my humble opinion.

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BSME 2009

I'd love for that stingy depth chart on offense to produce better than mid 40's rankings overall ... and be better than 6 losses. One day we hope.

Decent college wide receivers are a dime a dozen; great ones are not. A 2nd tier national program like is generally going to have room mostly full of decent wide receivers, i.e. a stingy depth chart. Just because there are differences between all of these these decent receivers, it doesn't mean they are big differences.

But not everyone can play and, for better or worse, at some point decisions have to be made. So even if a depth chart is stingy, it's still a roomful of mostly decent, but great, receivers.

With the Edmonds commit to UNC, who the heck is left at RB that Tech is in decent shape with?

It's getting old that Fuente and co. cannot gain any traction with highly touted backs. Starting opportunities have been available since 2017. I mean I sort of get it because I wouldn't want to play in a system that jet sweeps and QB powers around me when I get 8 carries/game, but I'm waiting for something to say this is because Zohn left, or some other excuse.

This is pretty weak. 8 plays only accounts for approximately 10% of the plays run on offense in any given game. I don't know why highly rated RBs don't want to come to VT but I'm sure it's not because of the fact that 10% of run plays would not be going to the RB.

I wouldn't want to play in a system that jet sweeps and QB powers around me when I get 8 carries/game

We averaged 3 jet sweeps per game.

McClease as a less-than-feature back averaged 12 attempts per game. It stands to reason that a real stud would average a few more.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

*** Clarification... 3 actual jet sweep handoffs per game. We fake the jet motion on most of our plays.

Fuentes lack of a true back is more the issue, like lil Beamer's RB Carousel. It's Fuente's backfield of mystery

If true how is Fuente supposed to escape the chicken/egg problem?

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

At this current time, we have 9 on the roster.

Nine.

Recruits see the depth chart. They figure where they are going to fit or not, even if they are two seasons away from playing. Do we need a stud RB this class? Absolutely. But recruits see the depth chart, and probably shy away just cause of numbers alone. I'm not saying that's why we didn't get Henderson or Kammaro, but I'm sure they looked at it.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Nobody is scared of our RB depth chart.

I think the biggest question I have is, why do we not have traction with any of the NC guys this year? There are like 18 four stars in the state and I haven't really heard us competing for any of them.

Brown, Mack

From Edmonds' interview on Inside Carolina:

"My whole coaching staff are UNC fans. They talk so good about the school. Two of my coaches went to UNC [and] they told me so many good things about the school."

So no, Mack Brown isn't some recruiting magician.

But at the same time, it's probably really easy for UNC fans to get excited about Mack Being Back, especially compared to previous results under Larry "Herbert Headcheeks" Fedora

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You mean the guy who produced the only 10+ win season in the last 22 years? Yeah, no UNC fans/hs football coaches got behind that guy

It's clear something was broken after he flirted with Baylor (big oof typing that out) and the on field results proved that --- why wouldn't the alumni and fan base who remember the Mack Brown Golden Age Of UNC Football be more excited? Wouldn't you feel better about our program if bud Foster was named head coach to replace Fuente after successive 3-9 and 2-9 years??? "But Fuente had a 10 win season and went to the ACC title game" isn't going to do him many favors at that point

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

All I'm saying is there is a vast overrating of the Mack Brown recruiting machine and a vast underrating of the other forces in North Carolina that are allowing for UNC to have a really good recruiting year this year.

Again, Mack's hitting all his layups right now in a year where the layups are 4* instead of the usual 3*. We'll see what happens. Hell, we may not even play another game in football before Mack turns 70.

That's fair, point made and I agree

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Do the other nine blue chip recruits committed to UNC all attend this high school?

No, but those schools also have a lot of coaches who are UNC basketball fans. They've got one guy from out of State. I give Mack credit, he's making all his bunnies this year.

Call me when they win more than 8 games though.

I realize it's not a high bar, but the 2020 RB chart is probably the strongest it's been in almost 10 years - and by a decent margin.

Agreed. Getting better. Hope Blackshear is eligible.

Good point.

I don't see it. You're talking about sheer numbers but the majority of those guys are never expected to have an impact and everyone following the program knows the depth chart is wide open. Also, we've seen blue bloods stack high 4 and 5* players two or three deep in a single recruiting class. None of those guys are worried about our depth chart.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Reality is we don't know if they'll have an impact. Gary and King will likely be featured with Herbert and Lee to some capacity. But, no spring tape, nothing to really gauge what will happen

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

King is a talented kid. He is not a complete back yet though. He has ball security issues and is not a power back that excels on Fu's inside zone plays he loves so much. Gary is a bigger back, let's see if he grows into a 3 down back or not. Both have question marks... that's why Fu went out and got 2 transfers and recruited a bunch more kids. If David Wilson and Darren Evans were RS Freshman, we wouldn't have went out and got 2 transfers.

Why does this narrative only apply to VT? Big dawg programs can fill up 3-4 deep with blue chip running backs and the depth chart is never a problem because those guys "aren't afraid of competition". But VT has a couple good transfers, a dude with raw talent (King), and some serviceable guys with game experience, and we can't land a blue chipper because the depth chart is too deep? If these blue chipper's truly aren't afraid of competition then VT should be an easy decision because there's almost zero competition. Let's be honest, if Campbell or Henderson turned around and said I want to commit to VT instead, I bet that RB chart would get a lot thinner in a hurry.

Cmon... there is not an elite back in America that is afraid of VT's running back room. Please.

It's pretty surreal that Virginia Tech is no longer an offense with an elite running game.

Recruit a Travis Ettienne... that dude would get carries, because he puts the ball in the endzone. Steven Peoples, Sam Rogers- walk on's Fuente loved at FB and TB at times. Dalton Keene got carries last year. We don't have a stud running back. Haven't since Wilson. Shai McKenzie was that level pre-injuries but he did not see eye to eye with Fu.

I get it dude, I would love to have an Ettienne. But so would 120 other FBS teams. He's arguably the most explosive back in the country.

I think you make some great points/counterpoints but the value of your statements is diminished by your example selection. Yes we can recruit better than the Caleb Stewards of the world, but we ain't getting an Ettienne unless one of our coaches wives gives birth to him. Let's agree to use some more middle ground lol

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Replace the name "Etienne" with a generic "top shelf running back," and DC's point stands.

Yes, we have 9 on the roster. Everybody knows that it's because none of the nine have asserted themselves to claim a feature role. Any top back ought to be able to come in, take over, and cause 3-4 of those guys to get walked. And every top recruit knows (and many "just decent" recruits believe) that they are good enough to do that.

There are a lot of factors in recruiting. For running backs at VT right now, the depth chart is not one of them, and "scared of competition" should not be an acceptable excuse for failing to land someone.

There are other excuses. Some may be valid. Some (maybe all) are not. But we shouldn't use or tolerate this particular one.

Build a time machine and embrace dragon and ride him to the 1000 yd mark

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So, a LOTTTTT of talk on Twitter right now about 4* Texas WR Latrell Neville. Also have received 2 Chrystal balls for him today.

Chrystal

So, he's going to Wisconsin??

(jk)

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

So two threads about UNC recruiting... Can we just have a UNC recruiting thread?

Is coronavirus over yet?

I would suspect that probably there are UNC fans registered here who are stoking the fire for Mack.

I refuse to be frightened of Mack's 44-39-1 all time record at UNC like he's some sort of recruiting and coaching genius. By the way, most of that record was earned when the ACC was Florida State and a bunch of bums. Wake was like 16-60 during that time, they are 14-15 in the last two years. Duke won like 2 ACC games during that first Mack Brown period. Maryland was trash, NC State was trash in disguise of decent, Clemson was mediocre. And during that period he managed to finish with one 10+ win season.

This ain't Texas with unlimited resources. All that's happening this year is that UNC has a perfect storm of highly ranked layups hat they've gotten commits from. The only real surprise to me was the kid out of Tennessee. They actually worked for that one.

So, I will continue to work to debunk the myth of UNC greatness here. I'm sorry if that annoys or offends you, but recruits read forums and these myths need to be debunked.

UNC was a sleeping giant when Mack came there the first time, they were a sleeping giant when Butch Davis was buying all the recruits, they were a sleeping giant when Fedora took them to the ACC championship and they're a sleeping giant after a 7-6 season in which their freshman QB hit numbers that will be really tough to duplicate in a sophomore year.

The giant is never going to wake up, regardless of how much talent they have on paper.

You're being naively arrogant. There's no curse on UNC that's going to forever keep them mediocre. There's no magic spell that's always going to keep us ahead of them. There's nothing special about the logos, the fans, the stadium, the colors, whatever.

We are simply the sum of our parts. And right now and looking forward, I would rather have UNCs pieces to build with.

Recruit Prosim

No, I've just lived in NC for 40 years.

So you lived through an era where we had extraordinary recruiting and coaching.

Recruit Prosim

I think we should have one VT recruiting thread and one general CFB recruiting thread, just for simplicity. Most posts would still probably focus on rivals like UNC, but it could be fun to have a place for other big national news that could have ripple effects.

This is pretty much what we have. One thread for VT news, and another "catch all" thread for higher level discussion, other teams' classes, etc. In some cases there will be overlap when a player we're after signs with a division rival, but those discussions should take place in the Discourse thread

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We seem to be sitting pretty on the edge, but does anyone else feel like the interior of the defensive line needs to be addressed in this recruiting class? How likely do you think we are to land the blue-chip out of Manassas?

This guy?

If so, all I can say is I hope we are sitting good because holy big boy offer list batman!

If he were from Texas I'd feel a whole lot better about our chances right now.

Is coronavirus over yet?

It would be malpractice not to find a way to get Tim Settle in his ear. Same frame, position, and high school.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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I feel like this was likely to happen sooner rather than later. More and more good players are coming from suburban areas where student athletes can go to various camps to get better and get exposure.

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

NoVA/DC/Md Metro area has always had top talent, just not the notoriety that 757 gets. The DC Suburbs alone are spreading out, too.

Camps, internet, increased exposure has certainly helped over the last decade.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

^the population of VA has shifted significantly towards the DC suburbs. We're going to see even more growth when Amazon + the Innovation Campus are up to full speed.

We should be doing everything we can to promote VT in the area. Will be the difference maker for the school long term.

No specific school will ever have a monopoly of influence over that area, see NY. This is always going to favor the largest national brands. We are better off spending resources in Richmond and Hampton roads and continue to find nooks and crannies in Georgia, Florida, Texas, and NC

Recruit Prosim

So True. I live in Arlington and can say no school has a monopoly up here. You see just as much Big East/Big 10 gear in this area as the ACC.

Pour some Beer on it

Didn't even make the top 8. Yikes.

Honestly not a surprise.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I'm honestly not even mad and/or sad. Too much drama surrounded this guy a few months ago with his Dad on twitter turned me off from him. Best of luck to him.

UVA being on this list is comical. I kind of hope he goes so we can beat his ass like a drum for the next 4 years.

^^^ This as well.

Those days are over.

We'll see.

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Cool, now we can all stop pulling punches around here about his daddy.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Dude reminds me of LaVar Ball.

Any idea why his dad seemed to take credit for the recent Latrell commitment?

Because his (Tony Grimes dad) is super self absorbed and living his life vicariously through high school football players? Just my guess.

on the other hand, it's possible that he has a soft spot for the program but also wants what's best for his son longterm. DBU regardless, it's hard to argue with anOSU's track record for putting defensive backs into the league.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I get you on the "what's best for his son" front for sure. Ultimately it's Grimes decision. That kid is going to go pro regardless of where he plays college football. He had pro scouts wishing him a happy birthday today. I don't know of too many high school football players who get happy birthday wishes from pro scouts, much less college players! I hope he does have a soft spot for us and helps us in the future in the 757, I always love getting VA kids to VT.

it's difficult to separate "what's best for his son" and "what's best for him" because of the pro aspirations, i get that.

some fans are gonna be salty and say a ton of ugly things about him, and it's really unfortunate

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

What kills me about all of it is seeing UVA in the graphic. After all the drama months ago with his dad that really feels like a jab at VT. I think everyone in this world knows he's not going to UVA.

I don't know though, maybe he loves UVA, who knows the mind of a teenager ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

I wouldn't be surprised if it's down to UVA and aOSU, as he's got some good in roads with the coaches in hoovillle, but I'm still betting him going out of state.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Coach Beau is the freakin man.

What's the drama with Grimes' dad? I don't follow recruiting too closely on Twitter and only recently started following recruiting threads on TKP.

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Dude wants his ego stroked by coaches of teams that his son was never even considering.

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Basically living vicariously through his son throughout the recruiting process. There was also the part where he went on a Twitter rant about how his son was never coming to VT because the coaches didn't show him (the father) full attention at all times.

Is he the guy who complained that he came for an unofficial visit and was upset that Fuente didn't visit with them? I remember thinking the guy was parading his son around a bunch of schools like some sort of show horse and expecting the head coaches to drop anything and everything to meet with him and his son. I could be wrong, but seemed to think it read like he was just dropping by schools (unannounced?) to see if the coaches would come grovel in front of them.

There's been so many wild recruiting stories it's hard to keep track. It wouldn't surprise me however.

Is it strange to anyone else that a staff member went on record stating that fans' reaction to recruiting efforts were a reason for multiple recruits to chose against VT, but the coaching staff is out here sub-tweeting in-state guys when they drop Tech?

it was a direct reply to someone else asking a question about why we "aren't recruiting" VA. Grimes isn't the only VA 5* who passed on tech in the last few weeks, and Coach Beau said the same thing then. Do I think "they have to live with that" comes across a bit harsh? Yeah.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah, it just comes across a little weird to me. Sophomoric even. It happened with Henderson too. I'd like to think coaches can let that stuff go publicly and vent privately.

to me, it's less to do with the recruits themselves and more with the (false) narrative that the coaches aren't recruiting virginia and only care about texas now ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This guy is something else.

Ah yes, "I was going to make one of the most decisions my son can make in his life for him based off some internet messages".

El. Psy. Kongroo.

I swear, this guy would be the star of Real Housewives of Norfolk. What a joke.

LoL he read the boards to see if there was any love or if he burnt the bridge for the 100th time. Funny how he's quick to forget he went on twitter and pretty much shit talked the VT staff. Now he wants VT to play 9th fiddle and "woulda kept it open".

Clown talk

Can't wait to see how there was no real love from any of the rest of the top 8 either after the final commitment.

I hope Tony reaches his full potential wherever he goes in spite of Mr. Glover. Guy's obviously got a tremendous ceiling.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Don't mistake that I would have loved to have his son's talent on our team. However, the drama surrounding his Dad is intense and such a distraction from his son's talent

Bye

We lost to Duke and BC... Give me Grimes and all of the drama that goes with it.

I'd take him as well but goodness the dad's acting as if he's the 5* #1 DB recruit. It's ok to enjoy it but acting as if the home team/fans should bow down when they're not included in top 8 is laughable.

I'd be embarrassed if he was my coach or dad. Cry me a river man.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I love you Coach Glover. I hope you get everything you want out of your son's career.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Dude is a clown show. His son is supremely talented and I wish him well. However, I get a feeling we'll be seeing tweets in the future if something doesn't go his way with another coaching staff that he'll be shopping his son around in the portal.

His act works in college because lets be honest, put 5 stars next to someones name and the red carpet will be rolled out for you. Where it's going to fall flat is if his son he parades around doesn't make it to the next level OR if he does make it to the next level....NFL teams will not be "showing love hoping you hold the door open for them". His twitter rants will need to stop or he will be the reason his son falls down draft boards. I'm actually kinda hoping during the combine interviews an NFL team craps on his dad just so we can see a twitter rant about how his son is not playing for NFL team XYZ.

If he goes to OSU, LSU or Bama and performs, he will not slip one spot on NFL draft boards, regardless the drama. They care about production in that league. If he goes to Tulsa and has baggage, perhaps the film doesn't support the headache, but if he goes to a top 5 program, and is a shut down corner, he will be drafted very high, regardless of his dads tweets. It's an on field production business.

And this is the bottom line. High production=High Tolerance and there isn't any other formula for the business that is football.

I do agree, but the dad just put a target on the kids back to perform. Its superstar status or bust for this kid. No NFL GM is going to deal with being told he didn't show enough love to a possible draft target and they will never step foot onto their field ever. (if he is a middle of the road talent). Solid parenting - Hey kid go out there and be a superstar other wise my mouth is cashing checks you cant write.

You know, we all hate on this dude and Lavar Ball but the Ball children seem to have done pretty well all things considered. Just saying there is precedence for this working out.

They are pretty dang good at basketball. That helps the cause.

put 5 stars next to someones name and the red carpet will be rolled out for you

Can confirm... its true...

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

When you're annoyed about another top VA recruit ignoring VT but pretty sure VT is dodging a bullet:

He has had positive things to say about the program recently especially Jham and Tapp So it's not all bad with him.

Can't spell DBU without Bud

I think there may be two different people running his account.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Gotcha, just putting this out there.

Can't spell DBU without Bud

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Mr. Glover is clearly obsessed.

He's certainly enjoying the first time he's been able to hold sway.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Hopefully Dtapp doesnt fall for this silly shit. I have avoided this stuff becuase sometimes these people can make people make some rash decisions based on some words on social media but the flip flop in this guy is next level. Just like lavar ball the only reason he speaks is to spark drama and gain attention and eyes. Best thing to do is avoid completely and then he might finally shut up and let his son do the talking.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Cool, Zohn wasn't a great recruiter or a stellar position coach and never made good on his connections within the 757. I'm sure Tapp will appreciate being told how to do his job.

He is nutts. Obviously, he takes offense to our recruiting out of state. Of course nothing says state pride like throwing up logos for 7/8 out of state schools.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

is it because Tapp isn't recruiting? or is it because our program's approach has changed? keep in mind that on the Sons of Saturday pod, John Iezzi said that we are making all new offers in VA be committable offers. I doubt you will see 757 kids offered as freshmen anymore since that is the case.

Remember that current HS seniors are already signed (2020 class), the juniors have been offered if they're going to get one at this stage (the 2021 class), and VT has already extended over a dozen offers to sophomores (the 2022 class).

interestingly enough, the only 2022 4* in VA that we haven't yet offered according to 247 is Grimes's Princess Anne teammate Tychaun Chapman.

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haha most of the really talented 757 kids turn down the Hokies anyways so I hope Tapp doesn't offer any of them. We have Robinson and maybe a few others but that is it. Keep it out of state and let this guy keep crying. He just wants his bottom feeders to get offered a VT scholarship so he can say "Look what I did for my kids." Hokies need to stay out of the 757, the kids just want an offer so they can say they turned down Virginia Tech to go elsewhere.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

well if this isn't myopic i don't know what is

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You're right, tons of 4 and 5 stars in the 757 dying to go to Virginia Tech to play football...

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

congrats, you're still being shortsighted!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You realize there aren't very many total 4 and 5 star recruits that come from the 757 right, it's not some magical hotbed of talent right now.

2021: Grimes and Brown....We're very much in the running for Brown.

2020: Lambert, Jenkins, Powell

2019: Jones, Kelly, Robinson

2018: Mitchell, Jones

So we've lost recruits to: Auburn, Ohio St, Clemson, Florida, Penn St, Maryland, and TCU. Losing to the first 5 on that list isn't surprising at all, TCU Auburn should harldy be on that list with how Kelly's recruiting went out of highschool.

(add if applicable) /s

to clarify, Cam'ron Kelly was a VT commit then flipped to Auburn before transferring to UNC, TCU picked up Keontae "Not That One The Other One" Jenkins

edit: and in 2022 there are four 757 4*s by 247 ratings -- vt has already offered three of them. like i said above. it's one thing to say "our relationship with coach glover isn't great" and it's another thing to say "write off the entire region that'll show em haha lmao"... it's just a silly thing to say a few months removed from watching tayvion robinson get burn as a true freshman

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I went to make two points about two different schools and players at the end, got distracted and combined them into one single point that is not accurate. Whoops.

Also idk if your edit is in response to me. I'm not writing off a region but in the grand scheme of things the "we're awful cause we're missing out on all the 757 players" is a silly argument to begin with there are 2-3 players coming out of there a class, just as many if not more are coming out of Nova and 804 now.

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Looks to me like his edit addresses hokiefan89. Who pretty much did say (s)he hopes Tapp offers none of the top 757 talents because of Coach Glover's antics.

Yup, in agreement that 757 is still worth recruiting even though you could call it down compared to where it had been. The edit was just to add the 2022 class for even more context

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Calling Kelly a VT recruit is a joke. He got caught with his pants down and needed to commit somewhere to save face while he regrouped time see where else he could try and big time his way to

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TCU Auburn should harldy be on that list with how Kelly's recruiting went out of highschool

great that's exactly what heuplek said a week ago ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ all i did was clarify the school

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Been wanting to see more recruiting news today but haven't seen any so I decided to compile the profiles for those mentioned in the tweet above

And then, as we know, Tyas already committed to the good guys without ever visiting campus

In a move that will most definitely surprise some here but shouldn't, Raneiria Dillworth will probably commit to UNC this week. Personally, I think he's not a 4* talent if Bryce Steele is a 3*. Steele is looking like an SC lean and a pretty good pick up for Muschamp.

Dillworth is an interesting case. Crazy crazy fast but is he a linebacker? Is he a safety? Strikes me as a guy who would have been a great whip but just not sure where he fits right now. I like Steele too, but didn't he miss all of last year?

You're the only person I've ever heard suggest Rara is overrated. Every single thing I've read about him is that he is going to shoot up rankings, is way underrated, and Bama is legitimately pursuing him hard. The only negative I've heard about him is position questions about whether he is a safety or LB at the next level.

I think I'm saying the opposite in that I think Steele is a better prospect at OLB but is rated lower by the recruiting sites.

Dillworth is going to be a productive player no doubt, but i dont think his Alabama offer is committable. You're buying into the UNC hype.

I'm told this question belongs here and can't find any other discussion on it so here goes.

Essentially, what's the deal at Highland Springs HS? Malcolm Greene signed with Clemson and the assumption is Kelvin Gilliam is expected to sign elsewhere too. Rumors around Loren Johnson have seemingly oscillated between animosity toward the program/current staff to him being a serious candidate to fill some sort of role on staff.

Is there an underlying issue or is it more that the top kids are just ending where they believe they can best succeed?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

My theory is that we struggle to land top Virginia talent for the same reason we are finding some success across country. The world has gotten smaller. The number of reasons to stay somewhat local has decreased. So we are basically filling the same nets with fish from a much larger sea.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

UNC disagrees. Let's discuss.

Please let's not, as I was specifically asking for insight on Highland Springs and have zero desire to derail that by rehashing UNC recruiting.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

don't count us out for Gilliam yet...

To re-cap recent HSHS "stars" that chose to go elsewhere:

  • Felton Davis III (WR at Mich St)
  • K'Von Wallace (S at Clemson)
  • Mekhi Becton (OT at Louisville)
  • Billy Kemp (WR at UVA, likely was not a VT take)
  • Malcolm Greene (DB at Clemson)

As a Highland Springs alum, I've honestly contemplated this a bit myself too. Two theories, the second of which is more likely:
1) VT hasn't had a player from HSHS dating back to Jerome Wright's time at VT (2012, transferring from VT in 2014). I believe Wright was at VT when Shane first started the RB by committee approach (now commonly seen across the sport) and he went through some injuries and never really saw much playing time at all. I have to wonder if Wright and the coaching staff at HSHS felt Wright didn't get a fair shot. The counter to that point would be that no one from that staff is currently on the staff in Blacksburg.

2) Being a Springer, it pains me to say what others around the 804 already know, but Highland Springs HS isn't the best school and Highland Springs (the town) and a lot of the other feeder neighborhoods for the high school are crime/poverty stricken. In a way, it reminds me of a less severe version of Rand, WV (for those who have seen the "Rand U" 30 for 30), in that it's not easy to make it out. For me, my ticket was in the form of an acceptance letter into VT's engineering program. For a lot of my fellow HSHS students, athletic scholarship was the best chance to make it out. I think it just comes down to a business decision for most kids. "How do I get out of this situation and be able to do something big for my family?": and a lot of times that answer is, leave the state to go play for a program or coach that you think can best develop you for a shot at the NFL and VT just hasn't had that perception in the 804 for a while.

All that being said, I think with the retooled defensive staff (specifically Tapp & Teerlinck), VT may be able to flip the script with Gilliam if they can fend off the big dogs. TnT have certainly made NFL development a huge point of emphasis on the recruiting trail.

For a lot of my fellow HSHS students, athletic scholarship was the best chance to make it out. I think it just comes down to a business decision for most kids. "How do I get out of this situation and be able to do something big for my family?"

DING DING DING

Let's be clear, LJ loves VT, but his kids' decision are theirs, not his. He can't help their environment, or the people talking in their ear. He coaches them up to give them the best shot.

Now, are there some shadier or more sinister circumstances? Debatable without concrete evidence. Give me a story, or something with teeth to make me believe there's something else going on.

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I teach at a feeder school to HSHS. I had been talking with one of the JV coaches who was saying VT was very much in the running for Greene, up to the day of the commitment. We had the academics he wanted. We were going to take the AP credits he had accrued at HSHS. In the end, LSU was just high visual at that moment. Supposedly, behind the scenes, it was between us, LSU, and Alabama. There was just a lot going on on social media to let other schools think they were in the running and increase his own profile. Not saying there's anything wrong with it, just it's interesting to have heard what actually is going on behind the scenes.

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You can't escape social media. We are all over the current recruiting class, and it's been long overdue. Positive tweets, like "come to Blacksburg!" And high-end graphics with the kids in VT gear. And, we are even putting out the attaboys when kids go elsewhere (Grimes recruiting is/was different).

Compare that to the last few years of fire Fuente, corny sucks, and cussing out kids for picking other schools. We are sadly, as a fan base and coaching staff, so far behind the 8ball with social media. We are only just now catching up.

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Greene went to Clemson so I'm assuming you're mixing up Clemson with LSU or Alabama?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

LSU. Sorry. Wrong Tigers. Have been drinking since noon..

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or as I call it, when I wake up now

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Looks like Anthony Beavers has committed to USC two weeks after leaving them out of his top-five in favor of Florida A&M

he was one of the #CA2VT Midnight Madness visitors

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Fireman pointed out on Twitter that he received a USC offer after the top 5 I believe.

Didn't also post that top 5 on April Fools day? Pretty sure he did.

Now this is discourse.

People running fake recruit Twitter accounts based on NCAA 14 Heisman mode players is reaching its zenith.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

....still cant believe Ace Armstrong didn't choose us when we offered him two hours before his commitment decision

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

As confusing as it was the first time I saw it posted here, how did the NIU recruiter not figure it out??

Former VT commit who followed Buzz to A&M.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

With their commits today, UNC now has 11 4* recruits in their 2021 class, good enough for the current #2 ranked class, nationally

For the record, their 11 4* recruits would be a high mark for VT if we did the same

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Dillworth is not a surprise. I think he's good but he's the size of a CB right now and he's projected as an OLB. Great straight line speed but does he have the hips to turn and run in coverage? If not can he put the weight on for OLB? I guess we'll see. BTW, again his big offers were not commitable.

Jared Wilson projects at guard and I think he's going to be pretty good. 2018 OL 4* Avery Jones just hit the portal so they swapped a 4* for another 4*.

The class in NC this year is very deep. The amount of 4* that UNC is landing is an anomaly where a normal NC class a lot of these guys would be 3*.

Good on Mack, earning his discount at the K&W.

I wonder how many commits they can take. 2016 had 30 commits, 2017 - 27, 2018 - 24, 2019 - 24 and 2020 - 25. They are up to 14 for 2021 already. Obviously some guys cycled out when Fedora left but Mack has signed 73 players already. There's going to be a lot of players hitting the portal but either a bunch of these young guys will be waiting for playing time or it's going to be a mass exodus from the last few classes.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Well, 3 of their top 4 in state kids from the 2018 class are no longer on the roster.

I think I have seen that they're shooting to take 21 total. So they're almost done. But they seem to be in the driver seat for Logan Taylor and Javahree Ritzee so we can have meltdowns when they land more 4 stars!

Interesting tweet on most recent UNC recruiting classes for prospective:

So would you consider it a coaching issue or the talent level of those recruits or NC recruits in general being overestimated?

I think it's a little bit of coaching, a little bit of overestimation of recruits (which I've talked about the 24/7 bump for UNC recruits because Inside Carolina pays the bills and will complain if a UNC recruit is "too low" and a VT or NC State recruit is deemed "too high".), and a whole lot of recruiting for perception and not fit.

Edit: was in bad taste and spiteful. Apologies.

DC gives credit where it's due for the most part. This signing is a great get for our staff, but it doesn't suddenly vault the 2020 class from 72nd to 23rd, either.

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https://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/948929#comment-948929

No but we've consistently been top 30 and our goal should be 20-25

Starting in 2000: 37th, 16th(highest ever), 43rd, 27th, 34th, 20th, 31st, 26th, 18th , 25th, 28th, 35th, 21st, 21st, 28th, 29th, 42nd, 26th, 24th, 26th, 73rd (worst ever)

27.85 average (didn't count 73rd class) (math isn't my strong suit)

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I would count the latest class despite it seeming like an outlier. Ten years from now it could be the start of a bad trend and better represent our true average. With it the average is 30. Either way not too bad and in line with realistic expectations.

One thing I am enjoying this year is just how many people are falling for all the Committed! tweets from people who are literally simulating a season on NCAA 14 and tweeting about it.

Just kind of goes to show how little people actually care about the kids themselves during recruiting season.

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Clemson just had the #1 recruit de-commit " target="_blank">

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

Lil Ole Clemson losing you USCw and behind UNcheat in the ACC recruiting.

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doesn't happen often, they hadn't had a decommit since class of 2017. That's impressive

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I'm about 25 minute drive from Corona. Let me find some outdated Carl's Jr./Green Burrito coupons to entice him into the CA2VT movement.

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Right now we are all near Corona

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Question(s) originally posted in the other Recruiting thread...

Joe Lanza said:

I don't want to read too much into the situation, but with a new defensive coordinator and cornerbacks coach, it might stand to reason they are looking for fresh blood that better fits the scheme.

My response (to all, not just to Joe):
Which begs the question: Just how different is Hamilton's scheme going to be?

We do know that he's getting bigger on the defensive line. What does that mean for how the position is played, and how does that impact what he's looking for in the other two levels of the defense? And how would *that* impact how the LBs/DBs are deployed? Is there anything
that we can infer from his other stops (UVA-W, VMI, as well as CLE and WAS) about how he might--I don't want to say "deviate", but yeah, deviate--from Foster's system that he grew up in?

Joe had said this when Hamilton was announced as DC:

From an X's and O's standpoint, Hamilton played in and has an understanding of the Foster scheme. That's not to say Hamilton won't put his stamp on the unit and engage new concepts, but it's reasonable to conclude the basic tenets โ€” single gap fit, funneling the ball carrier to an unblocked hat with force-spill concepts, leverage coverage โ€” will remain. Put another way, don't expect Hamilton to completely diverge in philosophy and roll a two-gappin' 3-4 defense. Personnel-scheme fit is extremely important for success. While it's tough to match one-to-one during any coaching transition, it's calming that Hamilton doesn't represent an overhaul given Tech returns 10-of-11 defensive starters and the roster has been recruited to Foster's scheme. His familiarity with the locker room, and vice versa, is an advantage.

I'm wondering, do we know any more now than we did then? Do we think that he's going to run Foster's system, albeit with bigger DLs, or will those bigger DLs force changes that move his system further away from Foster's?

Just stream-of-consciousness questions that are running through my mind right now.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

From his interviews, and the coaching changes, you can at least infer:

  • bigger linemen
  • secondary coverage changes
  • new blitz packages/schemes

but that's just my 2 cents

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BSME 2009

One can only hope we don't rush only 3 on a potential game-ender after seeing blitzes work multiple times before that. I'm looking at you Notre Dame

We had the right call. On the game ender, if Book hands off, our guys are there for the stop, and ballgame.

But our LBs were leaning, and got caught flat footed. When Ashby reacts, he gets pushed back 5 yards into Tisdale and another player. Stop it at the :05 mark, and our defense is literally running into each other.

Book makes a move on Deablo and ballgame to the Domers.

Video for those who enjoy pain:

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The painful part of that video was the 30 second FedEx commercial I had to endure just to watch.

I agree that Ashby definitely gets caught flat footed and pushed back pretty far but he does recognize it's a QB run and starts to break when, IMO, the lineman grabs him a little from behind and slows him up. I'm not sure that Ashby would have caught Book anyways because it was a really bad pursuit angle so it probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I heard some speculation that he plans to play Dax, Ashby, and Tisdale all together in some formations. Might work well against the teams that play bully ball.

The issue was the 4th down pass that was completed when we had ND against the chains....I can't remember the distance exactly but I believe it was over 10yds and Bud went zone coverage....

58/106 players drafted so far were composite 4* or 5* recruits

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yep, I've seen a lot of these stat/numbers tweets that are looking really strong for recruiting services so far.

Does UVA still hav the worst "prep" grade for 4 and 5 star talent. How many 4 and 5 star guys have they taken in and then they not be drafted in first two rounds?

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