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since the earnest comment in the other thread didn't really seem to land...

guys pls

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40 comments before a lock has to be a record on here, right?

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https://www.propublica.org/article/dead-on-arrival-a-ny-fire-chiefs-covi...

This is life on the ground for FDNY. This is 24 hours with a suppression chief not even an EMS chief. Reading someone who survived 9/11 talk about Covid 19 like he does leaves me speechless

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Just finished reading that. Like a punch to the gut.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

VOTE

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Vote like your family's life depends on it.

Because last time it did.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

And here we go again...

I mean...did you not take the hint with flashing signs this is for COVID-19 related things only?

Seriously?

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Welp, you tried. You really did.

If you play it, they will win.

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there are posts that had way more individual users downvote them, yes. in this case i and one other mod who was on last night both hit this one with the mega downvote.

at what point are we going to collectively learn?

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Every time I refresh the page and see it update....

.
How low can you go... how low, can you go... how low can you go

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welp

see you all on Thread VII

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Seriously steve..."C'mon man"

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On the bright side, this is my first time seeing a post go negative plaid. I had no idea that it could happen or that it was UVA colors. That is amazing and kudos to whoever set that up, knowing it's something we would almost never see.

I think my automatic cool down idea would be great for these kind of topics. You get more than x downvotes your posting ability turns off for 48 hours with an email message delivered via meme. Something like that.

How about after X amount of downvotes like I dunno 200?

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So what's the game here, are we trying to get threads shut down rapid-fire style?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Can't have 200 post sub-threads spiral out of control if they all get locked within 5 posts.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

In Durham, breweries can no longer have personnel arrive at work, shutting down curbside pickup and deliveries. I think it was effective last Saturday.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Theyre finally getting on Home Depot and walmart here in Ashland, VA no more free roam in and out oh well.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I also see that a woman got a ticket and a fine for driving her car. Apparently she got cabin fever and went for a drive. She got stopped by a cop for no other reason than she was driving and she was fined.

I thought the point was to sequester at a minimum distance of 6ft to avoid spittle and aerosol virus.

I would think that in a closed car would be the epitome of isolation in those terms.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Where was this?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

For a lot of cars, you need to run the engine and take it for a spin every once and a while to keep it well maintained.

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Even then as long as theyre just out for a drive for some fresh air and not going to a festival in the park whats the problem with that if shes the only one in the car? Seems like not alot of common sense was used if this is accurate.

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There's a stay-at-home order. Period.

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But that order in PA just like VA's has plenty of "loopholes"

Tasks essential to maintain health and safety, or the health and safety of their family or household members (including pets), such as obtaining medicine or medical supplies, visiting a health care professional, or obtaining supplies they need to work from home
Getting necessary services or supplies for themselves, for their family or household members, or as part of volunteer efforts, or to deliver those services or supplies to others to maintain the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences
Engaging in outdoor activity, such as walking, hiking or running if they maintain social distancing
To perform work providing essential products and services at a life-sustaining business
To care for a family member or pet in another household
Any travel related to the provision of or access to the above-mentioned individual activities or life-sustaining business activities
Travel to care for elderly, minors, dependents, persons with disabilities, or other vulnerable persons
Travel to or from educational institutions for purposes of receiving materials for distance learning, for receiving meals, and any other related services
Travel to return to a place of residence from an outside jurisdiction
Travel required by law enforcement or court order
Travel required for non-residents to return to their place of residence outside the commonwealth
Anyone performing life-sustaining travel does not need paperwork to prove the reason for travel.

If you're looking for loopholes in order to not obey the order, then, well....

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It seems silly to me that going for a walk or jog is fine, but to drive around the block to combat cabin fever is a no no

Bingo!

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Just because it seems silly doesn't mean that's an excuse to ignore the order.

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The order contains exclusions for a reason.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

I get that. I live in DE where they are actively pulling over out-of-state licensed cars.
Is there an exclusion for simply driving around?

There are a lot of silly things around. But that doesn't provide an excuse to break what it in the law or Act.

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Why the downvotes? Don't like a discussion? I'm not arguing anything, pointing out that what she did is against the stay at home order. Not sure why that offends people to the point of downvoting all my posts....I've kept it clean. No name calling. No preaching. No making stuff up and pointing fingers. Man, thought we could have a discussion.

And I'm not throwing downvotes at anyone either.

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Easy, I didn't downvote anything. And I saw none, so maybe fat fingers. I can absolutely discuss. The cops are doing more harm than good pulling over and interacting with somebody that otherwise may have just made a loop around the neighborhood.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Upvoted. And agreed. But they can only enforce the bullshit that is given to them. Sigh.

(and it was every one. No fat finger. I've had some good discussions. And had some people simply yelling just because they are upset, scared, or whatever. But thank you...all good.)

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All good. Either way, I doubt many law enforcement supervisors would agree with this citation. I would also guess that it gets thrown out if she goes to court with a repaired taillight.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

But they can only enforce the bullshit that is given to them.

Disagree. They can choose not to enforce bullshit given to them and choose to enforce actual meaningful laws.

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That's not how the police force operates. Nice thought, but not reality.

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Actually they do choose what to enforce. See sanctuary cities and various other police initiatives ie. Drugs.

Just to clarify that: local and state law enforcement do NOT enforce federal laws. Yes police officers in almost any jurisdiction are allowed to use office discretion on what laws to enforce and not that isn't one of them.

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In my field, which is admittedly an extremely narrow segment of law enforcement (but the one in which Flyguy is primarily interested), state LE can and in fact formally agree to enforce federal laws as a condition of receiving federal funding under particular statutes. In cases where there are violations of both state and federal law, there is coordination between the two to decide who is lead for prosecution.

And yes, there is discretion whether or not to issue a citation.

Yes if an agency signs an agreement with Feds AND gets training they can perform some parts of federal enforcement actions. For example Virginia State police commercial vehicle enforcement gets special DOT training to enforce federal highway and commercial driver and vehicle laws. However no agency can be required to enforce federal law because that is the purview of the Federal government.

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okay great, let's leave it at that

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Not to mention jaywalking, driving 5 mph over the speed limit, issuing/not issuing tickets to kids operating a lemonade stand without a permit ... Absolutely they can and do use discretion all the time.

Totally support the vast majority of those in law enforcement. Tough job and don't get the thanks for the work they do. Just thinking that a bit more common sense could have been applied here. Assuming, of course, that there is not more than what we read. Don't want to jump all over the officer in case we don't know the whole story.

Oh, and no way anyone should have down voted anyone on either side here.

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From one of the linked stories:

State Police Communications Director Ryan Tarkowski told FOX43 on Friday the 19-year-old was not pulled over for violating the stay-at-home order since the traffic stop began as a vehicle-code violation.

He added that state troopers "maintain discretion" to warn or issue citations to drivers, with the decision "specific to the facts and circumstances of a particular encounter."

In other words, she was stopped for a light being out on her car. Violating the stay-at-home order was a secondary offense.

Oh yeah I saw that part. Understand the ticket for the first infraction if they wanted to. It just seemed like the second one was excessive given how silly the nature of the infraction was. I mean I went walking for well over an hour early this morning to exercise. The point of the rule is to keep people out of close contact with each other. Example to me of following the letter of the rule when it has no impact on the purpose/spirit/goal/whatever you want to call it of the rule. Where I would think common sense should say no second ticket even if it is technically an option.

Wonder what will happen in the end if she tried to fight it. My guess is she would lose as she did, literally, break the rule. But I jaywalked early this morning too.

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It's not how reality works? Well, recently during the gun vote that came up in VA, police in most counties in VA said they were not going to enforce a gun ban if it was passed. Whether or not any VA citizen deems said ban as bullshit, obviously those police forces did and said they wouldn't enforce it. Pretty clear to me they were deciding not to enforce something.

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We are way out of bounds from covid-19 news and updates now. Let's end this here before it gets too far off track

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Mental health of the driver is a medical reason.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I get that. I live in DE where they are actively pulling over out-of-state licensed cars.

Because they're cracking down on people leaving the cities for their second houses in the country or the beach in an effort to stop this from spreading further.

That's a lot different than a spin around the block where you origination and destination locations are the same.

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On that end, different. Sort of. She's getting out the house. So are they...just a different destination.

On the cop end, WAY different. DE is pulling simply due to tags. She was pulled for a tail-light, but was then deemed to be disobeying the order. I'm sure there's more to the story. Maybe there's more to the story.

In DE they are just giving you a violation notice that is simply a piece of paper. Either way, both are examples of people breaking the order. Which was put in place in an attempt to protect the state's (or Commonwealth's) citizens.

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As I said before, there are plenty of vehicles out there that must have their engines run periodically, preferably in gear and driving, just to keep it well maintained just so that it works when you need it to. A periodic spin through a neighborhood, or a trip around a similar path that one would walk is absolutely reasonable to keep proper maintenance, especially in the suburbs or in more rural areas.

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Virginia State Police issued a specific statement that they would not be pulling people over to interrogate them about their destination.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Could you update your post with a link or tweet?

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Yeah, on the surface, that seems like a really obnoxious thing to do to the poor lady. I mean if you go out for a 30 minute walk or a 10-12 mile bike ride, which I did yesterday, I am much more likely to come into close contact with others than sitting in a car just driving around. I'm not in VA. The link provided from that TV station says beaches closed but that you can use them for exercise. Does that mean one would get a ticket trying to get to the beach to exercise?

Might be more to this than we know, but on the surface it seems pretty absurd.

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Was riding around Charlotte yesterday and the parking lots at both Home Depot and Lowe's were absolutely packed. Apparently, those stores are seeing similar traffic around the country. How long until they crack down and either limit or close?

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Lots of folks are diving into home improvement projects while on lockdown. It is probably ultimately a good thing. Those stores have a vast amount of square footage and wide aisles. I would say it isn't so bad in the grand scheme.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Good point. Only reason why it concerned me is that a worker at Lowe's in my hometown tested positive, so you've got to think how many people that could've been passed on to.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Home Depot delivers and it is mostly convenient. I say mostly...

Lowe's is being really great about letting workers have time off. My father works at the Lowe's in Salem as a retirement gig and they recently approved for him to take 1 month off 100% paid because he falls into the high risk category. He had to go to the doctor to get a form filled out, but I'm really glad Lowe's is being so generous.

My wife just walked in and her comment to this was "those are the kinds of businesses I want to support."

Good on them.

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I can confirm - I work for Lowe's HQ near Charlotte and we are all working from home, and if you need time off you get a minimum of 14 paid days sick leave, and if you or your family tests positive you get unlimited sick time until you are better.

My dad works there too. Last I heard he's been working from home.

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I went to Lowe's 2 weeks ago and the garden center was slam packed and we were basically back to back with each other in the check out line. While the store itself may be wide open, there wasn't any kind of crowd control at checkout.

Our local Home Depot is only allowing 150 people in the store at a time, which seems more than adequate. You can really stretch out in a Home Depot at a 150 person cap.

Leonard. Duh.

Lots of people trying to buy materials to make masks. My understanding is not to use hepa filters like a lot of people online are claiming as they are made of fiberglass. You don't want to damage it and make it friable. Don't want to breath in airborn fibers. If you want to add a filter media to a cotton mask people are recommending paper towels

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I also saw how to make no-sew masks with a bandana (or a similarly sized piece of fabric), rubber bands, and coffee filters--same concept as paper towels..

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Received a Lowe's print ad in NY for "Spring Black Friday" promoting all sorts of stuff. Not the best look - in a state where the virus is rampant.

Unfortunately print ads are planned and printed weeks even months ahead of time, so there was likely no way to stop this one

Home Depot stopped theirs. Its possible.

NY went on lockdown on March 20th - two weeks before that ad showed up in my mailbox. Now people are congregating at Lowes - last thing we need now that things are finally starting to look a little better. Its tone deaf - and people remember that kind of stuff.

Ah yes the old, "oh you want to unsubscribe? I'll gladly unsubscribe you but it will take 10-12 weeks to take effect."

Sorry, but I don't buy it in today's age of technology.

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by today you mean circa 1940s since print advertising has essentially been this way since post WW2 yes?

This - made my point better than I could. Print ads are planned way in advance and once they have left the Lowe's office it's up to the local printer/newspaper if they want to stop or print. And many of them are likely printed weeks ahead of time.

Planned so far in advance... how do hundreds of thousands of newspapers get printed with completely different material every single week day?

If the reasoning for 3-4 months advance because its been done this way since World War, holy shit, they can't come up with something more up to date than that? Sorry, I don't buy it!

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Planned so far in advance... how do hundreds of thousands of newspapers get printed with completely different material every single week day?

Short answer, advanced planning.

Long answer:
Local Newspapers have a section for local advertising that can be purchased in a somewhat short amount of time. Like personal ads, these are in set amount of space on the page. Typically these are purchased a month or very least a week in advance.

Any newspaper that runs Ads for large companies, or National ads, like from Lowe's have larger advance time for several reasons.
1) those advertisement are coming from all over the country so they need the material as early as possible. But coupons are typically curated through a 3rd party and provided to the newspaper in whole.

2) Coupons from large companies are generally outsourced to a 3rd party marketing company who then places coupons into Ad leaflets that are sometimes printed separately altogether. That means the Lowe's makes a contract with those marketing companies to run ad campaigns after internally deciding which items should be offered, usually these contracts run annually or on annual renewal. who then design the ads and select which newspapers to run them in. They then make a separate contract with said newspapers to buy X amount of ad space over a certain time. Those contracts state how many of what size ads the company purchases. This all happens on an annual basis. Then the marketing company will create a release schedule over that time period that specifies which ad is released at which time. In some cases, special runs are made which is a change in that pre-planned schedule to run ads for specific items for variety of reason. Otherwise it runs pretty much clockwork having been planned months and months in advance.

For local newspapers, usually there is a Sunday leaflet of coupons from National companies. These are included in the advanced planning above and are printed by a 3rd party printer, delivered on a Friday, to be included into the local newspaper on a Sunday.

3) MONEY. Newspapers are paid on advertising. National Newspapers sell ads as far in advance as they can and coupons are the most secure advance advertising they can sell. Also the cheapest.

If the reasoning for 3-4 months advance because its been done this way since World War, holy shit, they can't come up with something more up to date than that? Sorry, I don't buy it!

They have. It's called the internet. Just search for coupons online. Use Honey. There you go.

Just to be clear - the ad I was referring to was a direct mail piece. Pretty easy just to not have the printer drop it in the mail. I have worked in the retail industry (including with print ads) for a long time - this could have been avoided. But that would have hurt the bottom line.

Doing the right thing (keeping crowds out of the store) conflicted with the desire to make money off the spring season. Just because a business is declared essential, doesn't mean they should be enticing customers to come in the door and crowd next to each other. If Lowes keeps playing that game, they risk running afoul of Cuomo, and Andy will shut them down in NY.

Understood. But it's still almost certainly going through at least two 3rd party companies, definitely the marketing company in charge of their coupons and the printer, so it's still months in advance.

Also, I imagine coupons are on the very low end of concerns in crisis management for any company.

So I'm thinking the Drive-In movie will be making a comeback. Who's with me?

Leonard. Duh.

They would but $20 on prime video gets you most box office movies right now. Might be a better opportunity to trade the cost toward a nicer big screen TV.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

come on now Leonard, you know individuals weren't exactly maintaining their six feet of safe social distance at the drive in movies!!!!!

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Well... if you have to, the drive-ins could enforce families only, or "future" families only.

Leonard. Duh.

Read an article the other day, I forget where it was but a theater somewhere started doing this and it's making a killing

The Bristol area had multiple drive-in movie theaters when I was growing up so actually it was a surprise to me that there are so few and the nearest one to DC at the time was like 120 miles away.

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Starting week 4 of working from home here. As for the office...

I'll be honest with you. I love working from home but it's a challenge to hold discussion with design engineer when writing up shop router.

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Yeah, trying to convey design nuances for site design isn't easy when you can't red line in front of someone, or explain it very easily. It's challenging.

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The problem is two plants are operating under the same redlining standard but approaching it two different ways. Plant C uses manual way while Plant N uses electronic workflow to submit redlines.

So the Technical Writers for Plant C are hoping that with us working from home it will strongly "encourage" switching to electronic workflow.

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You sure it's not just a challenge to hold a discussion with an engineer?

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It is a challenge period.

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i joke about it, but this is basically what my job is.

This is meant in jest:

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Masters moved to November 9-15, US Open sometime in September. If the world can shake this by then, the fall is going to be sports heaven.

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Ryder Cup weekend after US Open too. Labor Day Monday finish for Tour Championship. Giddy Up!!!!

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Nothing like Masters during the day, then Miami-VT at night. (And some rando SEC game too.)

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Wow, the MOM's are not going to be happy that proles are going to be on the grounds in November, but the Master's pays the bills. Should be awesome.

If the world can shake this by then, the fall is going to be sports heaven.

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wow everyone i'm so proud of you! 29 new comments and it's all tame! please keep it up

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jk keep it up folks this thread is a great way to share news as its happening and also add a little sanity to an otherwise zany world.

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Dammit, The Masters now conflicts with the Miami @ VT game

Damn you, coronavirus.

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Hold up. Maybe not. We could be kicking at night. It's gonna be dark at 5ish for the Masters, so even a 6pm kick would be pretty pretty pretty good.

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AND, we could get some LSU-Bama or similar action at 8pm too....Could be a baller day.

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Oh, AND.....someone floated having Gameday AT the Masters that day.

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That would be awesome as long as the crowd is allowed to cheer and not shushed lol

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Doubt it comes to be. The stuffies at Augusta would never....

But that's a heck of a thought. (Ga is hosting Tenn that day too.)

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This is how we usually get zombies in fiction

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my company is now offering sick leave for COVID infections

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South Carolina continues inching closer to lockdown at a snails pace. We will now be on a "Home or Work" order, but it has a... generous list of "essential activities" that are still allowed.

according to https://covid19.healthdata.org/, South Carolina is actually in pretty good shape. Current models suggest they will have a surplus of hospital beds and ICU beds.

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We are trending well now, but that is likely more to do with geographic advantages and not having as many gathering places. There is a sizable portion of the upstate at least not taking this seriously at all. If we are spared a huge outbreak, it probably won't be because everyone banded together to protect those who need it.

Depends on where you live. Many parts of SC have very little access to healthcare.

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so for all you MMA fans on here, apparently UFC 249 is going to happen "somewhere on earth" but without Khabib

Because Dana white is absolutely ridiculous 🤷‍♂️

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rumors are it's gonna be on the west coast somewhere, which makes no sense since California, Washington(one of the most hard hit state) and Oregon have locked down non-essential businesses

In a story on ESPN this morning he stated "I have secured an island" and that infrastructure is being built to handle the fights. Let's goooo!!! If this goes off without a hitch, I'll write him in for president in November lol

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it's enter the dragon in real life

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it's for the best, too many people would have been put at risk

Instead of worrying about covid right now- MV7 is playing in the famous Steve Gleason block punt game on ESPN right now... Check it out

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Well for workouts I've been dragging my 4 year old son and 2 year old daughter in a classic radio flyer wagon around a (thankfully) hilly suburb of the massive city of Roanoke Va. I have set up a gym in the basement which is like something out of 1912. I've watched more classic football games on the pac12, big ten, sec, longhorn, and acc network that I can no longer count. I mean hey who can hate that USC UCLA classic from 1988...Troy aikman vs Rodney Pete...hell of a game...or the 1986 penn state Miami fiesta bowl for the "whole motherfucking thing"....so many pros/HOF'ers in those two games. Anyway I'm just rambling and wanted to communicate with the best damn hokie fans In the world...but man Blair Thomas and DJ dozier in the same backfield....what a tandom....oh and great week of recruiting for fuente and company! Let's put on on the field .....one day...😣😢😭😭...let's go!!!!

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My boyfriend was complaining about the "quarantine 15" that is a direct result of excess quarantine snacks. So I went out and lined up a delivery of 10 cubic yards of mulch that he can help me spread at the house. That should be a great workout!

I probably ought to do that.

Gain 15 lbs - Should be easy, just raid the quarantine snack drawer

It's an unwritten law that it's my lunch pail. I've issued the challenge. If someone outworks me, they can get it.
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I was wondering if the complaint was lodged about you or himself, but since you are speaking of him doing things in the future, I'm just going to assume that it was him.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Man, I can feel the breeze of the high heel being thrown at your head right now...nice save.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

The question was in my head because I worry about a man's (and a cat's) health.

*Narrator: But in truth, APFOW wasn't really worried about the feline's wellbeing...because he was Team Dog for life. Although, he was concerned for his dear friend, DCIMSA.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Narrator:

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Maybe one day I will be cool enough for Snoop to narrate my life.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I'm not going to lie, it's been a joint venture, this quarantine 15. But he's too much of a gentleman to complain about me. And I try not to complain about his neckbeard. By the time this thing is over and he can go back to work, he's going to have a beard that anyone in the 276 would be proud of.

Plot twist, quarantine 15 except it's all facial hair

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

That is a very likely scenario.

I mean... I'm a 276er, and have a beard. But...

Seems judgy.

I kid, I kid.

I wish I had someone to blame my landscaping excess on...

The plus side of staying at home is I have been so much more productive on lawn projects. Mulching, flowers planted, a new tree, patio, etc.

The down side is yard beautifying gets expensive quickly, just with buying materials. Especially if you're like me and don't have a truck so have to get delivery.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

I've been more productive with home improvement in general on the weeks that I'm at home on admin leave. Last week I sanded and painted our kitchen cabinet doors, built a new cabinet that some careful measuring indicates we will have room for in the upcoming reno, fixed a running toilet and replaced the toilet seat with a soft close lid (10/10 would recommend), pruned back the rose bushes so they don't try to attack us when we take the trash out, and finished up some odds and ends projects that were 95% complete, but I'm too lazy/busy to knock out on a normal week.

Oh, and I paid my yard guy to cut my grass for me, because I can't be bothered to do it myself 😂 All that while the boyfriend was WFH and couldn't help out as much as he would have liked. I'm really looking forward to this mulch delivery though, I've been putting it off for three years. I really want to extend my front garden bed out away from the house and give it a bit more of a curvy shape because right now it's just kinda flat across the front, plant some more shrubs and some ground cover plants, but I'm with you, shit gets expensive quick.

I've actually been less productive with home improvement in the (almost) four weeks of staying home.

Because my work day is now stretched out with so many interruptions (and let's be honest, some of them are intentional) due to also being a primary caregiver for two kids, that I rarely have the time at the end of the day to knock something out. I just wish I were able to get out of bed early enough to start early enough to have time to do work around the house at the end of the day.

The kids, however......we've been checking their cleaning tasks before they get to touch electronics, so we got that going for us. =^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

complaining about the "quarantine 15" that is a direct result of excess quarantine snacks

Everyone goes one of two ways - either you snack like crazy and put on weight, or you're so bored that you have nothing to do but workout.... My GF and I have both fallen into the latter category. We're walking the dog 2-3 miles a day, working out daily, have time to cook healthy meals, etc.

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Christiansburg's Department of Social Services have quarantined their entire work force after two confirmed cases.

My employer have reported there is one confirmed case and I'm thankful I have been working from home more frequently. Until this shit pass, I'm staying home and working.

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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson was recently diagnosed with COVID-19 and put himself in isolation on March 27th. On Sunday he was hospitalized, and on Monday his condition had worsened to the point he was moved to the ICU to be put on oxygen.

I've been reading that survival once you at this point has been as low as 20%, so this is not good.

As of a couple weeks ago, he was openly reassuring the public that this virus was not going to stop him from greeting everyone in the hospital with a handshake.

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If you look at the numbers over a large area, a small percentage of positive tested patients end up in the hospital, but almost 50% of those hospitalized end up in the ICU usually on a vent. But they are having success in getting people better and off the vents.

Saw yesterday that the peak in Virginia is now predicted to be late April not late May. Does anyone understand why the change as well as what that means as far as severity of the pandemic in Virginia and impacts on resources availability from a healthcare standpoint?

More data for the models, and more states taking action to get people to stay home.

Something is definitely up, because they updated the projected numbers for NC recently and they were basically slashed in half. My mother in law retired as a MD from the local hospital here a few years back, but is still on some of the distribution lists, and apparently they aren't seeing the flood of patients they were expecting. Which is good, but also a little concerning that maybe we are still a ways off from seeing the worst of it.

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Models while used to predict future are based on past data. Until recently, the virginia past data was very slow developing whereas now it has presented an actual growth curve. Just my uneducated opinion.

I also don't think we know enough to successfully predict the rate of spread outside of the urban center hotspots. So, I think it will continue to evolve a bit. Much like the weather models, which arent worth looking at 2 weeks out but have a pretty high success rate at about a 3 day outlook.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

My problem with these numbers are the system. A surveyor has been on quarantine due to his fever and cough for four weeks now. He has been told he doesn't qualify for the test so far. Well after he passed out at home on Saturday having trouble breathing, 911 had to take him to the emergency room. We still don't know if they have tested him.

I'm not sure who actually qualifies for the test at this point. I think the test kits are loch ness monsters or yetis that people see and hear stories about, but nobody has had direct contact

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I sense some sarcasm, but to seriously answer your question. At my wife's primary care you can get the test if (a) you've recently visited a high risk city/state/country (per the CDC), (b) you show symptoms after being within 6 ft of a positive person for >10 minutes without PPE or (c) you're in the hospital, showing bad symptoms, and confirming the virus would alter/dictate the plan of care.

Due to the shortage of test kits, this minimizes wasted tests, as well as if the symptoms are mild, the doctor is not going to do much other than treat the symptoms which they would do regardless. A positive result would not change anything because they are telling all patients with any symptoms to self isolate anyway. Even with these guidelines, they are still seeing a majority of negative tests in Northern Virginia.

I'll keep it brief. But that is my issue. We've been told that there are/were 27 million test kits. This was well over a month ago. But now we've only utilized 2 million, and that includes the new rapid-result test kits. That's my issue...what are we saving them for? Information is very important.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Yeah can't answer where they are at. 🤷‍♂️ Wife's place still doesn't have the rapid test kits. Still 3-4 days for results. It's not a critical shortage of tests anymore, but they can't just test everyone. 27 million tests still isn't enough to just tell everyone to go get tested.

I get that 27mil is only 10% of the population. But at this point, as many people as I've heard and seen say that they've been refused testing, we should be well above 7% of the stash used. Like in the pushing 20million tested range, with the rapid response phasing in.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I've been pretty insulated from the actual effects of the virus insofar as knowing people infected or care providers. My wife and kids are staying home. I worked from home until our internet started being inconsistent and I was losing chunks of days on the phone with tech support. Now I interact with maybe 5 people a day working in the office.

On the economic front, my company is getting hammered. Customers are either shut down or so uncertain about the future that they're not putting in new orders. Last week our president announced layoffs and a salary reduction for the rest of us until things normalize. We're already missing those laid off and the rest of us are doing the math on whether it makes sense to jump ship or weather the storm. We've been told we can take unpaid leave equal to the weekly pay reduction, but then, of course, nothing gets done to work through the backlog we already have so...

It's a rough time. It's hard to be told by your VP "as long as the doors are open, your job is safe" and then think "yeah, but how long are the doors going to be open and will that job become one that's not worth having?"

TL;DR - no point, just venting

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I feel ya. I'm the lowest man on the totem pole in my company as far as time served. Have plenty of experience, but the new kid in the office, so to speak. Had something similar in 2008. Asked specifically and was told I was safe; that plenty of others should be concerned. Gave me a little bit of hope, but I never took it for granted. Then, 3 weeks later, they laid me off. (What's worse, is they hired others people when things picked up...others that didn't work there and didn't call back previous staff. They did me a favor in the long run, but the lying and turning their back on me, well, eff em.)

Hang in there. A lot of lessons were learned from 12 years ago. On all sides.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Depends on the company.

Sometimes it better to be the low man on the totem pole, especially with the lowest salary. They can cut 10 of you or one (likely redundant) exec, and get the same savings.

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Wasn't my case before and definitely not my case now. Over 20 years of experience...

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

To be fair, I don't doubt them when they say my job is "safe." While my VP is a very capable and experienced engineer, he is still learning the specifics of our industry and I'm the in house technical expert. Hell, I'm on the committee that writes the SAE specs that govern our industry. Even in terms of general machinery design, they would be hard pressed to replace me (I know, I've been trying to hire qualified machine design engineers for 2 years running). Not trying to toot my own horn, just pointing out that the anxiety is coming from a fear that the company just can't weather the storm rather than expecting the axe to fall at any moment.

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Right now I've been making my costume for Raleigh Galaxycon this July when I take breaks when I telework, after work if I'm in the lab that day, and on the weekends. If it is cancelled that just means I have more time on the costume.

Also happy that Roll 20 is a thing being able to play D&D with my brother and his Army buddies, especially being in different states, and my brother streams it calling it "Dungeons & Degenerates".

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

Roll 20 is awesome. My group has been definitely seeing an increase in our play time for DnD. And I've been filling in the blanks with Rocket League, so definitely getting a lot of experience.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

This is the first our DM has ever DMed but it's been fun (it does help we all know each other rather than just random people). He uses Dungeon Painter Studio to make the maps and use Dynamic lighting for Line of Sight blocking and the characters' vision in the dark if they do or do not have Night vision/Darkvision.

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

That sounds pretty awesome. Our game isn't quite as fancy but just being able to see maps, have some sort of "fog of war" affect is fantastic.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

This is our latest session we did Thursday evening (usually it's Sundays, but someone couldn't make it this past Sunday and had to do it on Thursday and hopefully have another session this Sunday), there wasn't a lot of combat on this one because it was travelling and had to meet with a certain group in a town for information and supplies so there were not much maps used.
I wish my brother knew how to save VODs to have all 10 of our sessions viewable right now to know what's going on. I can explain some stuff if anybody asks, but been having a great time with it and happy Roll20 and Discord is a thing.

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

My company's WFH initiative has been extended to 4/27/2020 (so far.) My beard is going to be legendary by then.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

I started working from home just over 3 weeks ago. We dont have an official date that wfh is over, but the CEO expects June. I dont know if I can last that long without shaving. I'm already considering it. I dont think I'm meant for a beard.

I'm approaching college levels of hair length. It's kind of fun, and I now remember why I don't wear it this long anymore, haha.

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In addition to academic programs and instruction, Virginia Tech will move new student orientation sessions, Summer Academy, and all scheduled camps, conferences and events (university or external) to an online format including all 4-H and FFA sessions scheduled to take place on the Virginia Tech campus. At this time, we expect that all summer programs, events or activities that would require a gathering of participants that cannot be moved online would be cancelled

If we start seeing more of this I don't see how we have a full college football season.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I seriously doubt we will have football this fall.

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Here's a take

I would actually rather we move the whole college football world back a year than to have to play Penn State in an empty Lane Stadium in 2020 and then play at a full Beaver Stadium in 2025.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

That may happen.

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Wisconsin-Virginia Tech football game would be delayed yet again.

Solid pull, well done, mate. Well done.

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Yea but isn't 2025 our year?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I was hopeful we might resume some sense of normalcy by July or so, and I have a planned summer research program for undergrads (funded by a grant!) that looks like it won't happen now. The work is computational but trying to teach new people how to do things exclusively via Zoom just isn't the same experience and I don't think will be nearly as valuable.

Damn this whole thing.

Damn this whole thing.

Co-sign.

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Our training department is moving to an online classroom method that has controls for students to "raise their hand", polls, exams, camera/mic blocking, whiteboard, etc all built into the interface.

Even then we are planning on limiting participant numbers and turning a one instructor class into an instructor and a producer/admin/assistant (terminology is still up in the air) because of the shift in focus for the instructor. We may back down from that after a few trials, depending on how they go.

Great idea having two trainers on the call! I've used this method for years. I have always called the 2nd trainer the Training Facilitator and its invaluable to have someone on as a backup for technical issues. I don't know what type of software you're using, but many have the option for breakout rooms. Those can be great tools for training people virtually!

It does include breakout rooms.

So far, out biggest hurdle looks to be adapting our already existing material to fit the new medium. It is all made for instructor led, in-person, 3-4 day classes. On the plus side, our trainers aren't exactly travelling anywhere at the moment so they have some time on their hands...

FYI - after a discussion with our lead trainer yesterday, he also liked the term "Training Facilitator" so we're borrowing it

Great news! Hopefully that model works well for y'all!

My wife is a high school teacher of 20 years and leadership was not prepared whatsoever for this. She is of course working from home. What software are you using? It may make life easier for everyone in the education field.

My company uses Saba (https://www.saba.com/) for our e-learning. Previous to this we had been using it exclusively for our WBTs. Instructor led courses were always in person either at our site in Newport News or on the customer site (for our division, other divisions had their own processes, though we all use Saba for e-learning).

It isn't a free solution though. We have just started using some of the functionality we were not taking advantage of previously.

Thanks!

I'm a former teacher and current Director of Learning at a software company, so I have lots of experience with online learning platforms. jmecca at vt dot edu if your wife or anyone else on this board has questions or needs help!

Awesome! Thank you!

MLB is floating an idea to basically play all the 2020 season in spring training fields in Arizona without fans.

Which... yeah, if that happens, don't hold your breath for football.

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Agreed. Even without fans, there are roughly 6 million people on an NFL sideline each game.

We've been able to salvage our weekly board game group by moving everything from in person to Discord for audio and Steam and BoardGameArena.com for games.

Also, if you play any asmodee digital versions of games (Ticket to Ride, Splendor, etc.) they work cross platform so your friend who bought it on Google Play doesn't need to buy a new Steam license.

For BGA, if one user has a Premium license ($4 a month) they can invite non-premium members to their table.

All I have to say is...

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

During Northam's press conference yesterday when he donned a black face mask (heh, heh), he said that he and his staff do not wear masks inside, but when going outside they wear them.

Isn't that backwards from how virus spread works?

Leonard. Duh.

Not necessarily. If he and his staff are isolating themselves and only interacting with each other then that group would be "safe". Going outside and interacting with others would require protection.

But in actuality, they should be wearing mask in both instances.

Unfortunately the warm weather is heating up rapidly causing ticks to be active already. People are spending a lot of time outside.

Now we might be seeing cases of Corona with Lyme...

Sign me up for that!

I've seen a lot of news and information out about when to wear masks. I've seen the discussion here too.

I just want to share what I hear from people I am interacting with.

Full transparency, I am not a doctor. Hell, I am an architect and urban designer by education. But I have been trading medical supplies through my trading company since the start of this and in doing that I have spoken to medical professionals, infectious disease professionals, pandemic response teams in governments and major health organizations from well over 20 countries.

Here is what each an every one of them have agreed on in regards to masks.

Unless you are completely isolated you should wear a mask AT ALL TIMES outside of your bubble. At work. Shopping. Walking on the street. literally anywhere you would run into another person that you aren't 100% has been isolated.

And when you get back home to your safety bubble. Store the mask safely or dispose of it, cutting the mask in half before throwing it away. Wash your hands thoroughly. Wipe down any eye glasses or eye wear with alcohol. And if you are wearing a jacket or hat (also advisable) wipe those down as well. Then wash your hands again.

Now... again I am NOT a doctor, but I am speaking to multiple doctors every day. Not a single one has said "people don't need to wear masks outside".

take that advice with whatever grain of salt you wish. But the misinformation in the news is maddening and it feels like doctors have no voice at all.

Hope that helps in some way

This is great and there are so many reasons people should wear masks, the biggest one being that the number of asymptomatic carriers of this virus or people with limited symptoms is definitely not zero and probably approaches 40 - 50 %.

I think some of the confusion regarding wearing a mask is coming from established data that shows an occasional increased risk of self contamination.

So I tell everyone to wear a mask...maybe not so much for their own protection but to protect everyone else, like the elderly or those who have a shattered immune system. I also tell people when they put on and take off the mask be super careful (see Fernley's hand washing advice above).

And as much as possible, don't touch your mask and face. It is really hard...but it is one of the biggest ways you can expose yourself.

And as much as possible, don't touch your mask and face. It is really hard...

I had no idea just how much I fucking love to touch my face until I was told that I shouldn't. This is harder than quitting smoking.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I'm amazed that I've actually stopped biting my fingernails.

At my place of work we are being asked to wear them voluntarily for now but we didnt decide to get N95 masks because we decided people who really need them ie doctors and health pros need them so we would all wear our own bandannas stuff like that. I'm gonna try and wear a horse mask in on friday to help lighten the mood since it looks like were all in gangs now wearing red and blue bandannas.

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Yeah this is a tough call and I respect you for it. Surgical masks help to prevent you from spreading but do little to prevent you from being infected. But as you mentioned the frontline health workers NEED the n95 masks desperately.

Honestly, with all of the batshit craziness going on in US supply purchasing it's a f-ing miracle they have any masks at all. There is no central supply chain so everyone is buying against everyone else. Including various levels of the federal government against each other. It's a cluster fuck. Not to mention what we in the trading business are calling "production pirates" that bought huge production runs from 3M early on and are selling them at stupid prices to private dealers rather than slightly less stupid prices to sell to hospitals.

No joke, I was chasing 40 million masks from 3M for NYC hospitals and the seller wouldn't come down 20 cents to make the deal. And he is already making 2 to 3 dollars each mask. The masks are still sitting in Michigan as he wants to wait for private buyer who will flip them for more money selling to individuals. Some really shit people out there.

My wife and every physician with privileges at a local hospital system (3 hospitals plus hundreds of offsite facilities) was given a single N95 Monday and told "this will be the only one you get unless it gets deemed by the cleaning crew to be too contaminated from bodily fluids until July 1st. A single N95 for 84 days our peak isn't going to be until May maybe.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Holy shit. What level of hospital is she at? Does she work at an urgent care center? Do they do they're own purchasing or is it coming through a network?

I'll help if I can. If someone there wants to buy masks I'll find them let me know here and I'll send you my contact

We in the states appreciate your effort during these insane times.

I'm really just a small fish in this whole thing. But thanks. It's been heartbreaking some times. But trying everyday. Wish I was rich enough to be buying production myself. I could get a lot more masks into the hands of people that need them.

That's crazy. My wife has been told to reuse her N95, which doesn't even fit her, until the strap breaks at her primary care where she is doing testing. This is part of 10 or so physician owned practices. Keep it in a paper bag when not in use and wear a surgical mask over it. This is definitely a better situation than I've heard about at other practices.

She is also still working for an urgent care for a different hospital system as an RN to help out since she is still credentialed there and they are having staffing shortages as the older nurses desired to retire early with this going on. She had to bring her own PPE because it wasn't going to be provided to her since she is only PRN. She found out that the Administration verbally told the staff that they had to come in even if they showed symptoms and they have a shortage of PPE. They did backtrack from that statement after enough nurses told them off. It's crazy there now.

Reusing masks is a last resort when you have no supplies. A lot of countries are doing that and extending the life of a mask. Urgent Care centers are the least supplied in the US so I can understand that. But masks all have a life cycle and are disposable for a reason.

Some medical places are doing "cleanings" of masks so they can be reused. Not sure of that process.

I know of some healthcare systems who were able to engineer a cleaning process using the existing facility blanket warmers. They worked with the manufacturer to increase the temperature to a minimum of 170°F and are doing batches of 100 masks. I think earlier this week they were up to approximately 400 masks every 3 hours. I'm unsure of the efficacy of this approach but felt it was worth adding to the discussion.

Yeah I understand that. They are providing surgical masks to wear over her N95 at her primary care which should help keep the N95 cleaner when she is testing people. It was the urgent care that couldn't even provide her an N95.

You guys can have my mask. I'm not wearing it. LeonardSmile is an amazing phenomenon that can't be hidden away.

I'll just keep my distance and trust in the sunshine and the breeze.

Leonard. Duh.

Thats the problem, not to get political but I love free market and our economy except in times like these where people get fucking greedy to make an extra dime off of a pandemic. We made the call to not buy the company masks as the only person around selling them is a private seller and they are charging too much and again as stated we arent that critical in the big picture. I work in the packaging industry and some of our medical suppliers we do work for are looking at some bigger upgrades due to this to help produce more product quicker in the future like 3M actually.

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One thing that has been exposed during this quarantine is just how completely worthless my one colleague (who happens to be a dual hat scrum mater/dev). Thing is, he doesn't know technology, at all. His resume claimed he had an IT background, but said he had been retired for a few years. My guess is that he's been retired for 15 years and hadn't touched a computer during retirement. His way of bookmarking a page is to just keep that tab open in IE at all times, and just trying to find it when he needs to access it. At any given time, he's got 30+ tabs open, only working on one or two. Even though he's supposed to be a developer, he goes out of his way to actively avoid doing any technical work. He spends more time volunteering at company events throughout the work day than he does at his actual job. He spends more time trying to train and attend optional self-improvement classes than he does on his actual job. And now that we're in a permanent WFH environment, its exposed just how much he struggles with things like knowing when his computer is muted and realizing that keeping your laptop running for a month straight without a reboot with 30+ IE tabs open will probably slow it down quite a bit.

We kind of knew he wasn't a good fit for the job before he came in, but now we're about 6 months in, and he hasn't delivered anything, the one project he was given he had someone else have to take it over for him, and the one part we thought he was doing well, we find out that he's basically encouraging our offshore team to go rogue and develop code in a program they haven't been trained in or certified for in a system that we have a whole other team dedicated to develop within and support without disclosing it to anyone.

So... sigh, just needed to vent for a second. Looks like I might be training a new employee later this year.

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I know this doesn't apply to most, but....

Four of Utah's "Mighty Five" National Parks are closed, only Capitol Reef is "open" but that's only because the main road through it (Utah 24) is the only east-west paved road in any direction for 100 miles. Sucks for me as I was planning a road trip to Southern Utah next week.

If you still go, Capital Reef is vastly underrated. Wife and I went last summer to CR, Canyonlands, Mesa Verde, and Arches for two weeks. There are also tons of BLM recreation sites you could still visit. You can always park outside the entrance and walk in

For sure...the Waterpocket Fold is still open so the hikes I REALLY want to do (both Upper and Lower Muley Twist) are still available as well as the trailheads immediately off 24 (the scenic drive is closed last night). I've driven through CR a few times but never taken the time to explore it in full other than spending a day in Cathedral Valley...however, the focus of that trip was the Maze district of Canyonlands which is, well, epic. Impossible without a 4x4, though...but I was there over July 4th and was the only person around in a 5 mile radius-not your typical national park holiday experience.

I was hoping to hike the Fairyland loop in Bryce since that trailhead is technically outside the park, and there's also a back way to get into it from the town of Tropic so I might try to poach a hike there, though park rangers are not to be messed with as they have the widest enforcement powers.

Thanks for the suggestions, the canyons around Escalante are also options that I've never explored, either.

Well, it has now claimed John Prine.

Heaven got them one hell of a story teller.

Godspeed.

Leonard. Duh.

Interesting perspective from Knut Wittkowski, formerly of Rockefeller University. If you don't know what that is, it's a place where really, really smart people have been doing biomedical research and statistical modeling for a really, really long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg

Edit: I do not agree with every aspect of this video. I just find it interesting. For instance, he assumes that China is releasing reliable data. I don't think that's completely true. However, I don't think it's raging in China right now and they're covering it up.

Leonard. Duh.

Gave you a leg to offset at least one of the unnecessary down votes. Thank you for sharing this perspective.

It's all good. Downvotes play a part in making a point.

Leonard. Duh.

It's hard to explain just how frightening and dangerous this is without going over community guidelines. It's important to understand who funds Wittkowski, I'll leave it at that and let people do their own research.

Beyond that, a lot of what he says simply is factually false but IMO in a sinister way by stating something is factual when it is by majority not. For example, he states at the 14 min mark that schools in China were closed on Feb 20th. And that the peak happened earlier. This is completely and undeniably false. My daughter's school has been closed since Dec. Almost the entire country closed schools from Jan prior to Chinese New year break. The only places that had schools open were Hong Kong and some of the far western provinces. So yes, "some" schools were open but no schools did not "close" in February they closed in early Jan.

Then he references South Korea and how the national decree for social distancing came after the peak. True. However, the ENTIRE COUNTRY was already practicing social distancing by that time as instructed by the national association of doctors. The government was slower for fear of economic impact. So by majority his statements are categorically false.

And the big one, that doctors I am working with vehemently disagree with him on is the reporting issue. Wittkowski is of the belief that Coivd-19 is not the big killer but the underlying condition is. And the spikes in data you see is due to the way countries have changed their reporting. This in my opinion and in those medical professionals I am working with is fatally dangerous. First, without Covid-19 the underlying condition would not have killed that person at that time, so while the underlying condition is what they succumb to it is not what kills them, hence why the reporting methodology has changed for most countries. Second, and the greater danger, is that the type of reporting he believes is more accurate is what China did and in large part led to many countries being underprepared for what hit their health systems. And when the health system is overwhelmed and fails many people who could have recovered won't be able to simply because they cannot be treated. Again, factual evidence of this in almost every country.

I had to stop at 30 mins in. There are too many false narratives that are untrue or spun politically.

My suggestion to anyone who believes or wants to believe Wittkowski. Tweet, email or whatever at him and invite Mr Wittkowski to visit a hospital in NYC without a mask and get his own immunity. Wait for that to happen with video evidence before you believe what he says.

In the meantime be safe. Wear a mask. Keep isolated as much as you can. What do you have to lose if you do? some personal interaction. What do you have to lose if you don't? possibly your life due to this virus. Seems like an easy call.

Hell just visit NYC now. FDNY paramedics and unions are seeing 200 plus DOA calls a DAY this last week. Right now unless they had a previous Covid19 test they aren't being counted in death totals.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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You have brought this up a few times. What is causing the DOA increase? Slow response, waiting too long to call, or does this thing progress that fast among some patients?

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Can't say because we don't have data. But a normal day in the entire city they might see 25-50 DOA calls. They are seeing over 200 a day now.

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Simple. People are not being tested and therefore not being treated. When conditions turns from asymptomatic to symptomatic the impact to health for some is too much in a very short amount of time.

Not sure there can be a full answer that fits within the CG's.
I would say many opinions on severity, decisions made based on belief, lack of faith in the system, lack of actual resources (either insurance or physical hospital/trauma/medical facility), and general human hard headedness of the I'm fine attitude. Tried to stay inside the lines. You cannot apply your view of the world to theirs. Their life is markedly different.

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We aren't getting testing, or testing results, so people who are right now asymptomatic, are getting the symptoms, and responding too late. You get people, like my neighbor's mom, who was waiting on testing to come back, but died at home instead b/c she didn't get the testing until she was showing symptoms. Or, you get family members, frantically calling b/c someone is no longer responding, and it turns out they had COVID-19, but didn't get tested to know.

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Also these patients go from "ok" to shit storm in a matter of hours. If a person is at home treating it themselves and just dealing with symptoms, and that progresses to a cytokine storm which appears to be the developing issue leading to respiratory failure they go downhill quickly. (Source: I'm a nurse anesthetist Intubating, lining, and caring for these patients).

My mom has tested positive and a little insight on her journey: started having sore throat headache and couch two weeks ago dry cough but very croupy sounding like bronchitis. Urgent care told her sinus infection and bronchitis. She kept getting worse cough and fevers over next two days so I told her it was likely Covid she needed to go get tested. She called six places and no one would test her. Finally got a lead and was told they would call her to schedule a drive by testing in 48 hours. Meanwhile she got really bad one night and couldn't stop coughing short of breath and fever 103. I made her go to the ER which they drew baseline labs and made sure her vitals were ok and sent her back home (still didn't test her). Finally the place called and she had her test taken (prob day 7 now) and they said it will be two weeks to result. She got her results back in five days and was positive. Now she's on about day 14, feels slightly better but still spiking fevers through the day. She said she can't do any type of physical activity around the house without being sent into a coughing fit. Said the worst part is the fact that it's like the worst day of the flu that doesn't go away over two weeks.

Wow. that's terrible. she should have been tested on the first day. I hope she feels better soon.

Yes most of those patients would have just been pronounced at the hospital in the past. NYC had a policy where almost every patient gets taken to the hospital. The question is what's causing the increased spike, massive in percentages, to all these DOA calls.

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Finally found some TP today its been a solid day.

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I was starting to feel like this ting was fading and starting to improve, then I went to the WHO website and was reminded that the curve is still not flattening in the US. I am already in full blown cabin fever mode trying to WFH with constant interruption from a toddler. The stock market seems to be oblivious to the issue and keeps climbing like there will be no fallout from this and everything will be coming up roses as soon as the all clear is issued. Meanwhile all I hear is cancelled orders and more furloughs and layoffs. A whole lot of disconnects it seems.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

The stock market is not really oblivious so much as it is anticipating one of the largest corporate welfare programs in the history of mankind.

Also, with the daily flirtations at 20k for the DJI, it's still a buyers market. You're not getting ground floor pricing, but getting on the elevator at the 2nd floor is still not shabby.

Leonard. Duh.

My stop losses triggered in March, I bought back in yesterday. Crazily enough a lot of the same companies I crashed out of. But if you sell at 84 and buy back in at 54...

I'm watching this as well. It definitely is a good time to buy but I do want to see what happens over this month. Major indices are continuously flirting with going back up but with all the job losses and a tanking of demand for just about everything I can't see the dow getting back to normal in any immediate way.

I dig where you are coming from. The market hates many things, but uncertainty is at the top.

Leonard. Duh.

Let me rephrase, I bought back in about halfway. I am also a serious long term purchaser. I only buy a company if I like it and the fundamentals.

I don't doubt that there will probably be a third and maybe fourth dip.

That's what the talking heads are saying. I had read a projection that someone was expecting to go back down to the mar23 low sometime in july or august based on some historical patterns. But a good broker I know started buying early last week, so his expectation is that we're in at least a decent place to purchase.

I had been watching airlines, who are all getting hit, and knowing that American is a financial mess but Southwest's books are pristine, I was hoping American would get pummeled and have to give up SW-area hubs in LA, Phoenix, and DFW. Or maybe that SW would just absorb American somehow. A horse can dream.

Its potentially hitting its peak and the per day number of cases may be rising, but the % those new cases per day makes up of the total is dramatically falling - so, as Dr Fauci has said, the next few days will be telling if the exponential growth theyve been expecting outside of NYC has been avoided. NYC still makes up 1/3 of all cases in the US

Thats what I think the market is reacting to, well see how optimistic it is though after earnings come out tomorrow through next week...

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New mask covers.

well, I'm glad your laptop is taking this seriously.

The weather in upstate NY is finally supposed to be decent this weekend, and the governor just called out golf courses as having to close through the end of April. Ugh.

For posterity, I will note that I deleted a comment that shared the same story related to Liberty University that was shared in the thread I just locked. As I commented there, it won't end well and is only peripherally related to the intent of this thread.

Ah, that was mine, hadn't checked out the other thread. Sorry if it was a problem?

Please be judicious in what you post. Liberty inflames passions around here and the topic of the story is sure to drive the discussion in an unproductive direction, especially as it is likely to get political.

Understood. +1

Liberty inflames passions around here

It's more than just a clever mascot.

If you play it, they will win.

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I'm really just starting to feel the shock of there being no church this Easter Sunday. That is so weird and sad.

Leonard. Duh.

I am with you, it is so weird. Although my mom said that they are doing a drive-in church for Easter.

I am also sad that I don't get to go to my parents' house for Easter. This is the first Easter ever that I haven't been in Danville. This is the first time since I was 2 that I have not dyed eggs with my Grandma. Mini LancerHokie is also sad about that---we started dying eggs with her on her first Easter when she about 7 months old... Yes, we are still going to dye eggs at home but it won't be the same. And my Grandma is planning to dye some with her whenever the next time we go to Danville is.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

It was the second Palm Sunday Mass we have missed. Last year, a freak snowstorm cancelled the Mass. This year, it's the damn virus. That meant we couldn't celebrate Holy Week, no Stations of the Cross, no Munday Thursday or Good Friday Mass.

Then no Easter Mass which means no incense that fills the tiny Anglican parish.

Now I am sad.

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Plenty of places live streaming. I know it's not the same, but something. Mass is just a few people being filmed. No communion, obviously. I'm sure you could find something like that for whatever denomination you are with a Google search.

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Anyone doing Zoom happy hours and have fun backgrounds? Here are some I've used so far:

and for a beach themed HH, I had to use surfing Mike Young! 🏄‍♂️

via Gfycat

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This has been a big hit during my morning standups!

Here are a few pictures I've taken during my work travels that also made great backgrounds. Feel free to steal.

Do you have to have a green screen to do these?

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That depends on your computer. Some computers are powerful enough to do Zoom backgrounds without a green screen while others are not. If you try to use a virtual background on Zoom and your computer isn't powerful enough, you'll get a message telling you so.

It's a brand new Apple desktop so hopefully need to get some Disney ones for the kids classes.

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You should be good then! Check out these Disney backgrounds to get you started:

Disney Zoom Backgrounds

Here are the requirements in order to use virtual background with and without a green screen:
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/210707503-Virtual-Background

We found that the virtual backgrounds without a green screen don't work as well if there is more than one person in the shot. The camera detects the closest item as the "person" and everything behind it as the background. So, if one person is closer to the camera, the other can disappear into the background (which you can use to comedic effect).

What I'm trying to say is I just bought a green screen throw blanket...

Thank you oherro. Was surprised to see that it worked fine when I was in the office but not now that I am at home. Same laptop computer. Guess the background matters. Will try the things next time and see if it helps as I do not have the green screen.

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Edit:

Sorry all.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Nothing productive will come of this. Please do not discuss religion on TKP, even in an attempt to be objective and relate this to societal issues. It's inevitable that someone will take things in the wrong direction.

I'm not gonna hit you with a nuclear downvote because I know you're making a conscious effort to be constructive, but let's just not go down this road at all.

sorry posted this before the above, i will remove.

Was discussing the way we've have addressed this issue from a technology standpoint. If there is interest let me know and we can email about it.

Thought I'd try to lighten things up:

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Indiana Jones and the Quest for the Golden Toilet Paper.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Flush

Indiana Jones and the Last Charmin.

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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Porcelain Throne

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Reminds me of some of The Onion-style news posts my wife keeps telling me about. Paraphrasing below.

Border patrol intercepts rolls of toilet paper hidden inside cocaine.

This is a paid, non-attorney, spokesman: Were you exposed to excessive latex gloves and face mask link during the 2020 coronavirus outbreak and subsequently developed ______? You may be eligible for financial compensation for ...

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He's RIGHT!

It's my money and I need it NOW!

(Narrator voice over) He will be right back after his customary flush.

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Call JG Poopworth 877-SHIT-NOW

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Semi-related story: I had a dorm in Newman hall, ground floor one year, and the example dorm room they showed all the tours was one room down from mine. My buddies and I used to mess with the tours a lot (payback for the crazy stuff some visiting parents did). One time we waited for a tour to come in, then took turns leaning out our rooms and yelling "its my money and I need it now!"

El. Psy. Kongroo.

It used to be when you walked into a bank with a mask and gloves you got arrested...

I laughed, not sure if I'm supposed to or not

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You were supposed to. I have tried to put a couple of humorous posts in here to keep things from being to morbid.

I read all of your comments in Frank's voice, btw. This is not related to the topic in anyway but I thought you should know.

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My employer just reported a second confirmed case. Soooo glad I'm working remotely.

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Which city?

Recruit Prosim

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Could have moved after setting up account

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Nope nope nope. Still living in Christiansburg.

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The home of Hokie Nation.

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My employer has still stated as soon as the first confirmed case happens, they will close our office. So still working in the CRC.

So, Mrs. APFOW and I have been in quarantine since 4/3 when she started having symptoms. They've been very mild, thankfully, but every one of them would lead someone to think it's the 'Rona. She tried to get tested initially last Monday, but because she wasn't really sick and she's not in the high risk age bracket, they denied her. One of her coworkers told her last night that she was now having symptoms. She is in the high risk age bracket and has had pulmonary issues in the past. Mrs. APFOW tried again to get tested today because of the addition of her coworkers symptoms. Again denied. Now if they deny her coworker, considering her age and health issues, I am really going to be pissed.

TL;DR: "aNyOnE wHo WaNtS a TeSt CaN gEt OnE." may be a touch of horseshit. Just in case anyone wasn't clear on that.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Hope you and the Missus are ok.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Pretty sure we're good. We're much more worried about her coworker.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Either way, stay safe and healthy. And I hope Everyone is ok.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Thank you.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

That's what friends are for...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Ticketmaster changed their fine print is no longer offering refunds for postponed events. Honestly, they probably should not have offered refunds for events that have not been cancelled, but this is a shitty thing to do to try to change fine print after a ticket was purchased. So if you have not received a refund for a postponed event where you bought tickets through Ticketmaster, call your credit card company and you should be able to get your money back.

Ticketmaster has made comments that they hope they get stimulus package money. The feds should come down hard on them and require refunds, just like they did when airlines weren't giving out refunds, as a condition to get any public money.

There's a special place in hell for Ticketmaster anyway. This is even more scummy.

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On the bright side of things, the Commonwealth Clash was cancelled, so we got that going for us, which is nice.

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The Commonwealth decriminalized an ounce of weed this past weekend

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Saw that this morning. Making strides baby!

Not so fast, my stoner friends. The Va. General Assembly passed the bill, but Northam hasn't signed it yet. He announced a delay and is waiting for a report from a study of full legalization.
This is my understanding of what I've been reading. Definitely trending in the right direction, but we ain't there yet.

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Let's can this off-topic tangent. No dv's or anything.

90% of this thread is political.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

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You would've loved the other 'Rona threads.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

mods are watching it, though

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Thoughts on the CNN article saying the US may need to endure current restrictions until 2022 if a vaccine isn't created?

Link

There you go...

Some inside sauce from my part in all this.

The most important part of this article comes at the end:

This week, states on the East and West coasts announced they are forming their own regional pacts to work together on how to reopen after the stay-at-home orders.
New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Rhode Island and Massachusetts each plan to name a public health and economic official to a regional working group.
West Coast states of California, Washington and Oregon also announced they are joining forces in a plan to begin incremental release of stay-at-home orders.

We are at a point where it is becoming difficult to see an ending without universal restrictions across the whole country. The problem with 50 independent States and a weak federal response is that this is not happening. So Governors on the coasts are taking charge and hoping other regions form their own groups or join theirs. The West is talking to Idaho, Nevada and Arizona as well as Hawaii right now.

While I am not in these political discussions the topic among health officials I am talking to is on upcoming decisions about whether there is a need to and how to restrict travel across State borders if the neighboring State has a weaker set of restrictions than your own. This is largely due to Second Wave statistics that show that a) reinfection is not only possible but happening and b) a second peak will happen when open travel allows for infected citizens from areas with less restrictions reintroduce the virus into a controlled population.

You can imagine how unimaginably difficult this will be in every respect for lawmakers and citizens alike.

I imagine VA/MD will do something similar, probably with the Mayor of dc. I wonder if some of the southern tourism states like NC/SC try and do something where only regionally approved visitors can come? Dare county shut down to non-property owners this spring, I wonder if they only let NC residents or something come this summer, if they even have that power? OBX is going to be hit hard one way or another this summer, I reckon upwards of 40% of their summer stays are residents from NJ/NY/Pennsylvania

As a resident of NC and property owner on the coast I have already started the push on the local level.

The second the ban lifts NYC residents are going to bee line for the south.

Dare shut down for property owners also. If you are not a resident, it doesn't matter if you own property there or not. Friend of mine whose family has had a cottage at Kitty Hawk for decades was turned away at the bridge, leaving a cottage full of food, most of his tools, his boat and fishing gear, boards and wetsuits. He got the property owner's pass they required early on, but they won't honor it now because he's not a permanent resident. Luckily he's got good neighbors there that helped him out with the food in the fridge, etc. As you might surmise, he's steamed.

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Wow that's crazy! I would be a bit steamed my self although I understand why they are doing it.

I had a long response typed out, not really questioning your perspective but more asking what ifs. But I can't really ask the questions on my mind without getting political and crossing a line here, so fuck it.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Hope it isn't as bad as it seems it's going to be before it's all said and done. Stay healthy.

If it helps to answer anything you had in mind, in my comments I am trying to just give insight into conversations I am privy to. If I do share my own personal perspective I have been trying to say so explicitly. So none of the above is my own perspective as I am not in the political discussions of whether to close State lines but more of a summation of conversations I have been listening to among the various groups of doctors /hospitals, etc that I am in.

Thanks. Well at risk of getting the "nucular" treatment, I'll ask.

Is there a case for thinking through the response in a more balanced fashion? I feel that simply saying "EVERYONE STAY THE FUCK HOME (for two more years)" isn't productive, feasible, or capable of achieving the goals we should all have. I'm very concerned over the financial fallout of this approach and I don't understand why there seems to be an overwhelming perspective that it is the only way. What do we have to come back to if the economy really just shuts down until 2022?

Tough questions that I don't have answers to, but it seems a more balanced discourse would be more productive than the (extremely) vocal minority who seem hell bent on making any comment or opinion contrary to absolute continuation of the stay at home order out to be ignorant, uninformed, and irresponsible.

The absence of large scale testing is the signature failure of the government response. When that is resolved, and there is no reason for it to take that long, we can be more prescriptive and avoid overkill in mitigation measures. Virtually no one is happy with the status quo; I think elected officials will start rolling back measures as soon as it is feasible. There is no incentive to do otherwise.

Yeah I don't have factual answers to that. But I will tell you that I have been in Shanghai this entire time. I spent nearly 3 months in my home going only as far as the trash cans outside and to my compound's gate to pick up deliveries. My wife and daughter didn't leave once.

Now after that time where not just us but every single person in the country was required to stay at home there are signs of life. People are back at work in the office. There is traffic in the streets. People are outside albeit at distance and with masks but outside. I'll be the first to say that China has been dubious with facts they share(d) during this whole thing and I am sure now too, but a strong centralized response seems to have worked.

The reason models for the US are projecting to 2022 is because too many variables are still uncontrolled.

I obviously don't make those calls but from my experience both living through it here and from what I have been through trying to get medical supplies to the US, if I did live in the US and there were a vote to decide I personally would vote for being locked in for 3 months over the possibility of lockdowns extending to 2022.

That's as best I can do to answer that.

I would agree with you on that. I do feel that not enough people have taken this seriously enough right now. But I guess my thought is if we can't get people to stay home for 2-3 months what the hell is 2 years gonna do? At least in the US, a suggestion towards that would be immediately met with "fuck that, I'm just going to go about my business". A demand or requirement to stay home until 2022, would be met with even worse responses.

Closing state lines? I came here specifically because I could go state to state, with no papers!

Well, also to own a recreational vehicle, raise rabbits, and have a fat American wife.

Now you're telling me I won't get the chance to see Montana.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

locally here (St Johns Co, FL), we've had only 1 new case each of the last 2 days and have been under 5/day for over a week. But normally we have a significant number of people commuting to Jax which is getting better, but is still in that 20-30 new case/day range. A residents only order for St Augustine would help some of our businesses but it would take very little to send us back to square 1.

The county attorney has said it would be unenforceable to have a residents only ordinance for anything.

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They're sure as hell enforcing it in Dare County.

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It is relatively easy to control movement across bridges, etc.

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Yep. bridges at both ends, you could still probably get there by boat, but what do you do then?

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yeah, certainly unenforceable in terms of fines

I am getting more optimistic about some measured rollbacks by mid-May...Volusia and Alachua are where we were about a week ago...so coming along. But until Duval is under control, we're kind of screwed.

But also how would you enforce it? Could people in Nocatee but Duval side go to our grocery store? Do we set up check points on 95 and A1A and Phillips and Durbin Crossing?

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Instead of just downvoting my comments across multiple threads just comment.

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As I acknowledged, a blanket stay out order may not be enforceable in the traditional sense any more than the current orders and Hurricane orders are; but logistically, cameras recording license plates at key locations (southbound Phillips and A1A, eastbound 16 and 207, the 4 bridges, etc.) like we do on toll roads is not disruptive and relatively simple if for example, they want to set up some type of fee requirement (e.g., St Johns Co covid-19 transmission monitoring).

However, what I'm thinking is something more like a framework for establishing civil and perhaps criminal liability for actual harm, i.e., transmission...which is almost certainly legal and enforceable if it is properly framed and once testing is widely available. We do it for STI's.

Americans have the right to travel among the states under the Privileges and Immunity clause of the Constitution. This has repeatedly been interpreted by the US courts as a fundamental right, which means that general state border bans (or taxing entry or exit) would be unconstitutional. However, COVID19 is nearly unprecedented, with only a few other pandemics in US history to rival. I do not know how interstate travel was affected by the Spanish flu or other major pandemics, but all the previous pandemics occurred before the current constitutional evaluation of fundamental rights. So, those precedents might not truly be persuasive today anyways. I would imagine any restriction of interstate travel today would have be very narrow and very specific (i.e., pass strict scrutiny analysis under Constitutional law interpretation). That would possibly mean any ban would have to have short time periods and/or specificity to whom travel can be restricted (e.g., restricting those with high temperatures). Requiring a 14-day quarantine for any one staying within the state is also a possibility.

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I expect some restriction for the next year. But the most stringent restrictions have to relax. The intensity of the spread has a high degree of variability. Some counties in Virginia still have a confirmed case count in the single digits. The population is going to get very unruly if the doors stay closed.

Remember that flattening the curve was about slowing the spread, not preventing it. So, I think our leaders will begin to open up some flood control measures as soon as they are comfortable with the hospital resources. It will be a fluid situation and there will have to be some trial and error.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Some counties in Virginia still have a confirmed case count in the single digits.

I refuse to believe these statistics until I see proof that everyone who wants to get tested can do so. I have had a nagging dry cough for weeks and have been told just to stay home and self isolate and that I will not be tested.

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The numbers don't have to be accurate to reflect the imbalance that was my point. My point is that people are growing restless and frustrated, and in some areas are not seeing the threat for their own eyes.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Because they don't see it doesn't mean the threat is nonexistent. Open things without robust testing and everyone will see things with their own eyes in a very personal way.

If you play it, they will win.

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Yes but perception reality. My fear is people will take opening up into their own hands, a rebellion so to speak.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Folks need to listen to reliable and believable scientifically based facts, but this thing is so novel, the science, which necessarily is rigorous and involved, is struggling to keep up with it all. It's hard to do science, much easier to just spout off. Problem is, nowadays, it seems we have people willing to believe the wrong people for the wrong reasons, and it is really hard to fix stupid until we can show why it's stupid.

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Yes, listen to the scientists and doctors. they will understand the virus and it's impact on humans more than anyone else.

Balance this against the need to manufacture food and vital supplies and to get them to people.
It will do less good if we keep anyone from dying of the virus but introduce other problems into the population.
People can starve, their homes and equipment can deteriorate and the instance of mental health problems can increase.

Balance is key.

My wife is fielding more and more calls from her dental patients every day but by Governor's decree she cannot see them and solve their problems. This is not good for her mental health and their ultimate health.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I expect there will be an increased demand for automation in farming since dairy and produce are being destroyed due to an unfortunate side effect of stay-at-home order.

I also know the trucking industry are working on automated/self-driving vehicles. The virus is presenting opportunities for AI engineers and researchers to step up their game.

Big Pharma are also utilizing AI to find the vaccines to fight the virus.

I have to admit the anticipation of automation makes me highly uneasy.

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Automation won't help next month or in 2 months.

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I'm really getting sick of people saying we have to relax this, we have to relax that. Bottom line, we can't relax restrictions until we have a robust testing program. *Screams into the void: WHY THE FUCK DO WE STILL NOT HAVE A ROBUST TESTING PROGRAM? There are way too many people running around with this shit that don't know it for foolish talk of opening things up at this point. Hell, we can't even get testing for people that doctors are virtually certain have the 'Rona. Case in point: My wife's doctor told her she has no doubt that my wife has it, but they can't test her because she doesn't meet the criteria. *Screams into void again: WHY THE FUCK DO WE STILL HAVE CRITERIA? We should be at a point where we can test everyone. That's someone they're SURE has it that has tried multiple times to get tested from multiple entities. Think about how many don't have the means or are asymptomatic that are not getting tested and rethink saying we need to open things up.

TL;DR: Robust testing comes before opening shit up. Anyone that tells you differently is a fool or selling something.

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The earliest anything changes is May. A lot can change by then.

How can any doctor say they are sure anybody has it when only about 1 in 7 of people that actually score a test come back positive?

How does testing to open things up work exactly. I can test negative today and have it tomorrow. Does every person in america need to test daily? Of course not. I am just wondering how the logistics would work

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Testing needs to work like this:

- Do you have it and are therefore a current risk to both yourself and the population? (Currently we're doing insufficient testing to determine this at the needed levels)
- Did you have it already, recovered, and therefore are potentially immune and can go back to work? (Not only do we not even remotely have the testing capability for this, we don't yet have clear evidence that you can be immune after having it previously)

We're not close to either of the required testing levels for this, sadly. It's frustrating to see how long we've been and continue to be behind the eight-ball on testing, despite the growing push to end the restrictions. We should be going absolutely full-bore and then some on increasing testing capacity.

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I'm really getting sick of people saying we have to relax this, we have to relax that. Bottom line, we can't relax restrictions until we have a robust testing program. *Screams into the void: WHY THE FUCK DO WE STILL NOT HAVE A ROBUST TESTING PROGRAM?

This 1000x over. We STILL have no way of knowing how far the spread REALLY is, and we're getting political push to open everything back up in spite of it. The incompetence here is going to kill people. Bottom line, people are going to die for political purposes.

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This is why I am not envious of any of our leaders. People will die regardless of the decisions made. Unless we all live in our own bubble, this virus will kill. We also need it to spread to gain herd immunity...but hopefully to the lower risk population only. There is a balancing act.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

You crashed into an excellent point. This is almost a perfect post. Balance is key.

I lean toward letting it spread (lean not full tilt... let's commit to aggressive antibody testing NOW to see how it has already spread and find out the immunity percentage) because I am team Nature. My opinion (spouting, or whatever you guys want to call it) is that trying to save ourselves with perpetual lockdown is the equivalent of taking out a high interest loan to pay the light bill when the light bill is going to come due next month anyway, along with the interest points.

Leonard. Duh.

it's all well and good to say that testing is important and key and probably the best way to beat this -- but it has to go hand in hand with availability and we just don't have it right now.

mass testing also mostly works with a population more concerned with society at large than themselves. it works in Korea because there's a societal expectation to stay home if you're sick even when the rest of life is still going. We don't exactly have that here in the US.

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hard disagree. If this was left to spread "naturally" the US Health System would have already collapsed. There is not a single doctor I deal with that would tell you otherwise. If your equivalent to lockdown is paying a bill with high interest loan, a natural spread without countermeasures would be equivalent to taking a high interest loan to pay a bill when there is no power company at all.

I agree if we had let this spread naturally months ago it would have been catastrophic. Our society is full of close talking, space invading, stinking people that don't wash their hands and go to work and school sick. But what about now? I know we cant just open 100%, but hypothetically, if we did, how much less rampant would the spread be because people are actually practicing good hygiene and social skills? I don't know. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 50 percent better than February would have been. Now couple that with soft opening of the economy and maybe we can get through this without blowing the doors off the hospitals. But shoot, I'm just assuming a lot, I have no idea.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

"left to spread"

I was talking about current situation with current data, and after vigorous antibody testing to see who has had it already and recovered.

But we can agree to disagree about whether or not the entire US health system would have collapsed. Maybe it would have, but there is ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing that. Especially after about a month of pretty lax social distancing measures when compared to some other countries, and we have hospitals across the nation furloughing healthcare workers.

Try and smack me down all you want, but there is no way we reduced the mortality projections from 2.2 million to around 60,000 with the social distancing policies that have evolved in the US since the ACC tournament was cancelled. One of those numbers must be wrong.

Leonard. Duh.

Yeah I know you mentioned after testing. Not exactly sure what vigorous testing means but it will most likely mean months.

there is ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing that.

No worries if you don't believe that. But I'm actively speaking to the heads of major hospitals, health networks, FEMA and State Govt Response Teams daily. This has been said verbatim to me by everyone I have spoken to. you don't need to believe me but I get nothing from trying to mislead you on that either.

Try and smack me down all you want

I'm not trying to smack you or anyone down. I am just trying to provide details that I am privy to that aren't in the daily news. I personally have never said I believe the 2.2 million projection, because I didn't. Neither did hospitals I speak to. There is a disconnect with frontline medical and researchers running models as well. But I do think there is enough evidence in the US and around the world to prove that social distancing policies are effective in controlling not only the spread but also the impact on health care systems and economy.

We're cool. I'm always down for peaceful debate in the arena. And also, you do put in a lot of effort to make your points and I dig that.

Leonard. Duh.

You also have to realize that 2.2 million was the absolute worst-case scenario, versus 60k which reflects an optimistic projection of most things going right. Not exactly a fair comparison because they were never presented as being the outcomes of the same scenarios. Projections have wide ranges, especially during epidemics, because there are too many variables to control for precisely in any model.

Yeah, the 2.2million basically went out the window when the Bay Area did their shelter in place mid-March, and it's been decreasing since. That was the big end do-nothing number.

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And another thing... you lost me with your counter-analogy.

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Leonard. Duh.

no worries! I was just trying to use your analogy.

I definitely get where you are coming from. My parents were very much the same opinion as you, especially my father. It took me giving them some inside details for 2 weeks to prove to them I really knew what was coming. I would tell them something and then a day or two later it would be in the news. Only then did they agree to stock up and stay isolated.

I wish we were close friends bud and I could do the same to give what I am saying more credence to you. But mostly I find that the information everyone is reading in the daily news is so misleading in both ways that for the one online community I take time to post in I wanted to offer as much insight as I could.

If this was left to spread "naturally" the US Health System would have already collapsed. There is not a single doctor I deal with that would tell you otherwise.

So question here - let's say, hypothetically, that we had enough hospital beds, ventilators, resources, etc to support everyone who got sick. Would we need to flatten the curve? Or could we just develop herd immunity like any other illness?

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We don't know if their is such thing as herd immunity for Covid-19.

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Edit: There is always very much usually such a thing as herd immunity with a contagious virus. The risk of taking that approach naturally without a vaccine as a buffer is the real debate.

Leonard. Duh.

There is always such a thing as herd immunity with a contagious virus.

"Always" is a strong word and only requires one valid counterexample to falsify it.

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For this very reason, as I tell my students, there are two words you are not allowed to use when discussing science or describing your results:

1. Never
2. Always

And if you never use either of them, your conclusion is always right!

...right?

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The glib way I give them this advice is "Always remember, you should never use 'always' and 'never.'"

Actually there isn't. Ebola for example doesn't have herd immunity because it kills so fast and burns our. Flu mutates so fast it requires vaccines to even get close to anything resembling herd immunity. We don't know about about Covid-19 to what herd immunity will be or look like.

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A note about flu and any other virus - if it mutates, it's a different virus. You can't have existing herd immunity against something that's new. If you have been infected by a specific strain of flu, you are likely to have some level of immunity, but if it has changed in a way that shields it from the immune system, it's not the same beast.

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Leonard. Duh.

Virus and viral strains (and the difference between them) are a key point. So, in one way, humans have not reached herd immunity to influenza virus, because it will mutate into a different viral strain. In another way, humans have obtained herd immunity to various influenza strains. It just depends on the scope (influenza virus --> subtypes of influenza (H1N1, etc.) --> genetic variant strains of subtypes)

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Short answer, No idea.

Speculative answer. From what I can see there are two big issues with that. First, it doesn't seem like there is true immunity without a vaccine. Some people can be asymptomatic and never develop into serious condition but still spread it, and then weeks or month later get it themselves. Others that have had it are getting it a second time. Second, there is not really consistent patterning on who and how hard this hits people. It's known that elderly and those with pre-existing conditions are hit the hardest but that's pretty much same for every respiratory illness. But the severity this hits some people that are otherwise completely healthy is remarkable and completely inconsistent.

So even with all the supplies, beds and doctors it would still be affecting a huge population and still be impacting the economy. Take the Smithfield Pork Plant precedent. They had a large number of employees test positive and closed the plant for good. There would be a lot of similar situations like this where a company would be devastated by the sheer amount of people that get infected and need treatment. I think the mortality rate would be down due to just having enough supplies and doctors, but that still would mean huge population incapacitated and quarantined.

"Others that have had it are getting it a second time."

Can you provide some sources on this? I've seen a handful (maybe 3?) of reports where people tested negative, then tested positive again, but it always seemed to be a case of junk tests. I've seen much more data that indicates that you are immune to this once you have the antibodies.

My (recent) understanding is that the immunity situation is very unclear. I am not an expert in this field but an article I read explained that high antibody counts can be a sign of immunity, but that it doesn't guarantee it. Also, even with low antibody development apparently you can gain immunity through cell memory, and I think they used Hep B as a reference for this scenario. Either way, the current data on reinfection and immunity is unclear at the moment. Apparently some people who've had this have very low antibody counts while others have been higher.

I would love for a microbiology or similar field professional to clean up my extremely rough explanation above. I'm sure my attempt at an explanation was at best extremely oversimplified.

I think this is a more prevalent issue over here in Asia at the moment than in US. There is a lot of news in Chinese and Korean about it, more so than English. Here is a link I found in English though:

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/04/11/WHO-investigating-rep...

I've seen some experts say that it is more probable these cases could be relapses instead of reinfections but I don't think either has been completely confirmed. Only that those that have had it, been cleared have then gotten it again. Low numbers but risky when you consider Second Wave possibilities or that this may be something that occurs annually.

I have zero background knowledge to allow me to form a respectable opinion, but couldn't we make a fairly safe assumption that even if a small percentage can catch it again, the vast majority will develop immunity? If so, do the outliers make much of a difference on macro scale?

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

yeah beyond my pay grade as well. but that's certainly the hope.

The most important part of that article.

"Most experts think it's unlikely that somebody will be re-infected for the coronavirus soon after recovering. It's possible that issues with testing – or varying amounts of viral RNA in the body, which the tests look for – could explain why people tested positive after testing negative. "

This is really key. Most tests right now are using PCR (polymerase chain reaction), which essentially determines if your sample contains the virus' RNA. If you find RNA, that does not necessarily mean you have an active infection. If your body has broken the virus down and you have recovered, the RNA may be detectable because your body is still clearing viral junk from your lungs. It doesn't mean you've gotten sick again and it doesn't necessarily mean you are still sick.

This is also why it's important to have caution when looking at reports of how long the virus "survives" on various surfaces. Most results are simple detection of RNA on a surface. If you can find RNA, that does not mean there are infectious viral particles on that surface. In some cases, yes, and in other cases, no.

Yall are sciencing the shit out of this conversation, and its making it tough to follow... lol

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As a professor of biochemistry, my educational training is rarely useful to most people in their daily lives.

LET ME HAVE THIS MOMENT.

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Professor now? That was a humble brag

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or, you know, a job title

This. There's nothing more humbling than being an academic. The only career that I know of where at every step of the way, everyone tells you what's wrong about the work you're doing until it's good enough.

Was supposed to be in jest. It's been fun following you through you'd phd

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21% of the people who died in the first SARS outbreak were health care workers. If we don't minimize the infection rate, it will be devastating to those who work in health care, law enforcement, teaching, etc.

As a matter of pubic policy, at least in the US, it is irresponsible not to take avoidance measures to minimize needless deaths...the recent vote in the Senate was unanimous, 96-0.

it's worth noting that a serological antibody test doesn't necessary infer immunity to the virus. While the antibody test proves that you have had an immune response to the virus, it doesn't necessarily mean that you can prevent further infection and spread. Experimentation and data need to show that. So far, there is good hope that antibodies = immunity, based on the virus type and some preliminary indications, but it isn't yet confirmed.

The most notorious example of not having immunity despite having antibodies is HIV and AIDs. If you have antibodies to HIV, it means you have been exposed to the virus and had an immunological response to it. However, as we all know, having an immune response to HIV doesn't prevent you from spreading it to others and definitely doesn't prevent the development of AIDs.

And I definitely do agree some balance is and will continue to be necessary. It's all about figuring what we can do in the meantime without having a second dangerous spike of infections. I hope everyone likes masks, cause I think we'll all be wearing them in public for a decent while.

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We STILL have no way of knowing how far the spread REALLY is, and we're getting political push to open everything back up in spite of it.

and in many places there is a political pushback to be measured and cautious.

let's not let this discussion about policy devolve, everyone

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Bottom line, people are going to die for political economic purposes.

FTFY. It's really more about not tanking the economy, as I hear it explained.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I agree. It is economic. The economy is headed for historic lows when this much of the working population is not producing/getting paid. Unfortunately, it is also an election year and the state of the economy is always blamed on/attributed to the incumbent. It is very hard to keep politics out of it when there are clear political repercussions.

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For the most part I agree. But if we ever meet I'll buy you several beers and tell you stories to prove it's been both. Until then. Stay safe.

I'll hold you to that. =^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Done deal

You'd might be able to capitalize on a LOT of free beer. I'd buy you a couple too in order to hear about it.

the venn diagram for comparing the economic purposes and the political purposes has a significant amount of overlap.

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This guy knows who gin and tacos is...

The craziest thing is nobody is listening to other countries on how they do or did testing.

In Germany, they were testing with 10 people per strip. If the strip was clean, that was 10 people with one test. If the test failed, only then did they end up testing individually. Yes, occasionally they were going to end up using 1 extra test if somebody had it, but they were saving 9 tests the other times.

In Germany, they were testing with 10 people per strip. If the strip was clean, that was 10 people with one test. If the test failed, only then did they end up testing individually.

This is common practice for binary clinical tests in the US too. If the positive hit rate is greater than 10%, you would want to combine less than 10 though. The number of samples to combine depends on the positive hit rate and the limit of detection.

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Care to elaborate?

What's posted directly above the gif.

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Your gif is an original comment not responding to any particular post, so I wasn't sure.

Wasn't posting in that grouping.....and when they add to it, the gif is still right below the entire grouping.

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So, assuming you were replying to my post and article link, any opinions about a stay at home order to last until 2022?

Not specifically yours, more so what's further down.
I shared that article on FB. Got some interesting responses...

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Haha I'm sure. I don't even try to talk about this stuff on Facebook. If the TKP community sometimes gets out of bounds, as structured as our community guidelines are and as reasonable as most of our members are, I can't even begin to imagine what garbage came out on Facebook.

Mainly anything ever posted in here with a hint of politics is what hes aiming at. Honestly alot of the comments on here are people working from home or quarantined and as someone whos life hasnt been interupted in the slightest aside from the need for TP I dont think people quite realise how many people like me are still going about our daily lives because we have to go to work etc. The big urge to reopen is not because politicians want us dead its because they dont want the economy to hit the tank in a big way. I made a mistake in checking my investment funds and yeah almost burst a vein in my head when I checked. This will have a large ripple effect when things reopen but I think thats best left to scientists and doctors to help sort out.

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I don't care about the money, I'd never be able to retire anyway.

It's about what the economy represents.
It represents how we gather and manufacture the things necessary for life and how it gets to where it needs to go.

The "economy" is just how we measure and describe the amount of trade going on.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Yes, this. I don't plan on retiring anyway, but having society turned upside down to the point where I can't have the option and possibly my kids not having the opportunities I wish for them is the fear I have.

Here's what I'm concerned about. I'm concerned about people in leadership positions talking about 1.5-2 years.

Even if people are handed money to buy food and shelter. If there is insufficient food arriving at retail establishments, what good is that.

Also, replacing worn out clothing, going to the doc for preventive testing, etc.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

That too. I just don't think those taking a hard line stance on the "stay at home for the duration or else" perspective have a complete understanding of what a two year shut down will mean. It's fairly easy to say that now, with a remote work arrangement and paychecks still coming, but how about in 18 months with complete supply chain disruption, lack of available resources, and a populace growing more alarmed and uneasy by the week...

Not to mention the school situation. Most parents are not equipped to work from home full time and still maintain their child's education.

Oh Lord, don't even get me started on this lol

I keep seeing the issue of testing coming up. Can someone help me understand why we can't get tests? Two of our nurses at the local hospital had symptoms and could not get tested. They were sent home for 14 days of isolation/quarantine (without pay mind you). How can people on the front line not get a test? Can we not simply make more tests?

Could some of you in that field of work help me understand the problem?

Is coronavirus over yet?

It wasn't because there isn't tests available. They have multiple available sources. Probably didn't meet all the criteria. They don't want anybody sick with anything coming in just to be safe.

These individuals are likely covered under the Families First Coronavirus Response Act. See information here: FFCRA paid leave.

There are a lot of provisions to help people economically, both for individuals and businesses, that have been put into place in light of this pandemic. I encourage everyone impacted to pursue the available options out there.

At first it was because we didn't have enough tests now it's because we don't have enough labs and personal to do the testing. (Simplest breakdown)

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But we were told in Feb that we had 27 million test kits ready and available.

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Consider that it is not just the United States who is scrambling to produce more test kits. Every developed company in the world is trying to secure more test kits. These test kits require certain chemicals and components which are sourced from around the world and are not available immediately for the surge in demand of close to one billion tests. It takes time for the manufacturers of the testing kits to refit their production lines to focus almost exclusively on these tests.

Even if we could snap our fingers and have enough tests available for widespread testing there are still a number of supply constraints within the testing process. The tests have to be administered by a qualified healthcare professional. This person has to see the individual, take the test, secure and label the sample, and then see another patient. Then there is the constraint of how many tests a lab can process. Each sample they receive has to be prepared for testing by a technician. From what I have read, even commercial labs and hospitals can only process a few thousand tests a day. These results then have to be mailed back to the testing center or individual. When you start to break down each step of the process it becomes easier to understand why a robust testing program will take months if not a year to develop.

If you look back at WWII and the economic switch to materials and supplies for the war effort you can see how long it actually takes to ramp up production. Wartime production didn't peak until the end of the war.

This is why people who present symptoms of C19 may not receive a test. It may seem counter-intuitive but the people who are showing symptoms of C19 are basically just told to go home and self-isolate unless your symptoms worsen to the point of needing hospitalization. Due to the shortage of tests there is some logic to not testing people who appear to have the virus but only have mild symptoms. It is the people who they have come into contact with and are not yet showing symptoms that need to be tested because they are the ones likely to spread the disease.

I agree with what you are saying but the rate of which other countries are purchasing test kits has up to now far exceeded the US. It's been a CHALLENGE to get these to the US, as I tried to explain below.

wow.... if ever the was a loaded questions. Going to try to dance around this without going over guidelines and share my experience to answer this.

In the beginning the reality of the impact of the virus on USA was at best underappreciated by the powers that be and so the foresight to begin purchasing supplies before the impact was not heeded. Also in the beginning the supply of test kits and type of test kits were extremely limited. By the time that US government whether federal or state began to actively search for testing they were competing not only with themselves but with the rest of the entire world. There was only so much supply and very few was going to the US.

Since that time the supply of tests has become much more numerous, including tests that have faster results. However there was a.... misunderstanding.... between States and the federal government as to who was responsible in supplying these. In previous pandemic plans these would have been centrally sourced, purchased and delivered on a priority scale. As there was no pandemic planning team any longer that plan was not enacted and those people that were brought in to manage the crisis did not have the logistic skills to execute a centralized purchasing. States reverted to sourcing on their own, and were told by federal level it was their responsibility though it had never been the case previously. So States were now months behind schedule. At this time States were so far behind in sourcing that there was not enough production for them all and the tests that were readily available were only the ones that require to be sent away to labs. Labs that are not equipped to handle that amount of volume.

Add to that a point I made earlier that States sourcing was going through buying agents that were typically locally rich Americans that were trusted. They had money to spend but were, and continue to be, unsophisticated at purchasing things internationally wanting to use US mentality leveraging POs or expecting delivery first prior to payment, when the rest of the world was paying cash upfront. And many, many groups were buying out productions to flip later.

Then just as purchasing began to get more mature and financial bridges to international purchasing were forming the War Time Powers Act went live. US required products to be FDA certified. Buyers on the majority needed goods to be in country, not buying actively out of country. Paying premiums if need be for a now even more limited list of goods that were FDA certified, of which very few test kits were. Then 8 days later that was relaxed for certain items in dire need which included test kits. Then it changed back again and items were streamlined for FDA to certify. (This all is same for Ventilators).

Now as test kits become more readily available the existing backlog of tests are still pending and newly purchased kits are a) not enough of them and b) only going to large medical institutions and hot zones. At least until those needs are filled. Unfortunately the majority of the country is serviced by small clinics, urgent care centers and the like and not large metropolitan hospitals so they are at the back of the line from a government sourcing point of view. And they do not have the purchasing power, nor the international savy, to buy test kits on their own (believe me I have been trying).

That's it in a nutshell but I will say one personal note, there is A LOT that goes over community guidelines that I would like to say. Naming names. Specific times and events that I know the background to that would boil everyone's blood no matter which way you lean politically. Honestly, it's been a cesspool with very few beacons of light.

Again, as always, I am a random guy on the internet so take that with whatever grain of salt you wish.

Sounds like the benefits of a partially decentralized government configuration like the US has are outweighed by the issues when dealing with such a large and all encompassing issue. Maybe if the NWO hurries up and establishes itself, we can all rest our heads knowing we're well taken care of. /s

Jokes aside, I appreciate your sharing your experiences. Sounds like just about everything that could go wrong, has. Perhaps we'll have a long list of lessons learned, assuming the collective "we" survive this.

Thanks for everything you have added over the last few weeks and for taking the time to do so. I actually look for your username and am genuinely eager to read what you have to say. With that said, suuuuper bummer about not being able to post even more information! Rules be rules, I supposed. Some rules are great 98% of the time, it's the other 2% that blow.

haha, yeah... we'd be way past the rules here. There is a great movie to be made about this if certain details ever come to light. Those wouldn't publicly come from me but same deal as Little Bobby Tables above. If we ever meet I'll happily buy you several rounds and give you some insider info.

Thanks for the kind words too. Being that I am working on US time it's middle of night here without family distractions and I'm either on a conference call or in between calls so have plenty of time to post. Glad it helps in some way.

I think we need to give you a one-time, "get out of community guidelines free" card or do something like get staff or a mod to agree to close down a thread after you post or something. I have views that span the political spectrum but think politicians in general are full of crap and spend WAY more time arguing and spouting party lines of crap rather than compromising and actually trying to help people.

Having said that, I do know people in the government that are trying their best to get good/accurate information and make good recommendations. I feel bad that the government is taking such a beating despite the work they're doing (they're below the "political" level).

I think we need to give you a one-time, "get out of community guidelines free" card or do something like get staff or a mod to agree to close down a thread after you post or something.

I would love to see this happen.

In the interests of science, of course.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

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I think we need to give you a one-time, "get out of community guidelines free" card or do something like get staff or a mod to agree to close down a thread after you post or something.

I mean... we have the TDKPC.

Just saying.

I'm just sayin'.

...coz I'm curious AF.

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I have an idea of how to do this and stay inside community guidelines. But it's taking me time to put together and I have been slammed the past 4 days. I'll try to get it done this week though

And now I'm even more curious AF

Just a question, not rhetorical.

Why is NYC's death rate so much higher than all of the other major US cities? Calculating COVID deaths per population as a total, NYC is almost 5 times that of other cities like Chicago, LA, Miami, Orlando, and DC. While NYC is by far and away the most populous of all the other cities, the big city dynamic certainly still exists everywhere else.

Again, no political point... just... wow.

Leonard. Duh.

I think most of those other cities have far more urban sprawl. NYC is literally a compact zone of people. There is no social distancing with the population crammed in there.

Population per square mile:

  • New York, N.Y.: 27,012.4
  • San Francisco, Calif.: 17,179.2
  • Jersey City, N.J.: 16,736.6
  • Boston, Mass.: 12,792.7
  • Santa Ana, Calif.: 11,900.8
  • Chicago, Ill.: 11,841.8
  • Newark, N.J.: 11,458.3
  • Philadelphia, Pa.: 11,379.5
  • Miami, Fla.: 11,135.9
  • Hialeah, Fla.: 10,474.2

Source: https://www.governing.com/blogs/by-the-numbers/most-densely-populated-ci...

Should be noted that San Fran also went on shelter in place order on March 17th, which has been thought to have drastically reduced how hard they have been hit, and helped protect LA somewhat as well.

NYC probably had access to more and better testing too. If I'm not mistaken they don't report expected cases, only confirmed. There's tons of reports about people being flat out denied a test. I believe the reported deaths are only for confirmed cases as well. I've read reports about refusal to test dead people and saving them for those that are alive.
You can't have a high confirmed infection or death count if you can't test.
I'm sure also omitted from the death counts are the heart attacks, strokes, etc that were not able to be treated. They may not have died from the disease, but they were a direct result of it. I'd imagine the numbers will reflect the actual situation in a few months when they are able to compare the expected number of deaths (based on previous years data) with actual deaths.

Actually they are calling a death of a "presumptive" or a "speculative" case a COVID-19 death.

Leonard. Duh.

You mean just like we do with the flu and a host of other illnesses.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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NYC is very dense, even in the other four boroughs that aren't manhattan (which is nuts). Plus the public transit is basically a must in many areas of the city -- made for very wide spread very quickly, ahead of the response. it was almost impossible for there to be any sort of proactive (as opposed to reactive) measures

and unfortunately, I think youll see the death/population rate rise in other cities. Might not get as high as in NYC, but i think the gap will unfortunately shrink

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Public transit could definitely play a role... but it should play a role in the other cities as well, even if the factor is not as large of a contributor as in NYC.

Try it out sometime. The death rate per capita (COVID-19 deaths/city population) in all of the other major cities is about the same at around 0.01%. Then you have NYC at almost 0.05%. I get that it is the most densely populated city in the US, but it's not 5x as much. But, there is the distinct possibility of a severe exponential growth rate with the incremental increase in population density.

Again, I don't really have a point. I 'm just a sucker for outliers.

And in all seriousness, NYC apparently has a serious situation that I pray will be taken care of soon.

Leonard. Duh.

I suspect cultural issues play a role as well. Extended families living together, poor folks who kept working and then came home to packed housing scenarios, etc.

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NYC population conducts a significant amount of international travel, and travel b/t Jersey/Connecticut, etc

It's not just 1 person, but multiple people carrying the virus. Same applies to the hot spots on the west coast. NYC is multiplied with the added density and culture.

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The international travel aspect is one thing for the NYC metro area, but what about nursing homes where the people physically don't leave. (I know people visit, but I'm talking out in the sticks nursing homes...) Actually, a better example may be the Smithfield plant, with over 600 cases among the workers there. Culture doesn't play any role there, neither does travel.

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No, but the same outcome happens for the same reasons. Somebody got it and crowded working conditions (as opposed to living conditions) spread it unfettered. NY isn't Dakota, but the virus doesn't know that. I still assert that in NY, proximity and culture very likely does aid the spread, but that'll be what the books will parse in the future as they study the racial, cultural and financial disparities in transmission.

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The difference is that S. Dakota makes food, isn't dense and is lightly hit.
NYC consumes food, is dense and is hard hit.

One size fits all and the impact of closing Dakota is different with different outcomes than closing NYC.

Closing SW Virginia the same as closing The DC suburbs is not smart.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Oh, and Dakota doesn't have a massively used subway like NYC, which is still running and I would bet is the difference between NYC getting whalloped and much of the west coast not getting hit so hard.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I didn't say anything at all about closing anything. I was talking about a whole 'nother thing. The difference you speak of has nothing to do with my point, which merely was the obvious fact that someone infected with the virus is more likely to spread it in crowded conditions. This would also obviously bolster your argument, if you wish to argue, about closing or not, or about not treating everywhere the same, but you'll have to argue with someone else about it.

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Virginia Governor extended all the business closures and group gatherings to May 8th. Stay at home order is still in effect until June 10th.

Actually its not quite that clear.
Some businesses can open the end of this month.
Some are allowed to open 8 May but you can't visit them.
Stay home order is 10 June.

At which point I'll need a vacation.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Just want to say I'm thankful for TKP for giving me a thread like this to gain insights and viewpoints about this situation that I would have never come across in my own network of family and friends.

I know this must be a pain in the ass to moderate but thanks for this forum. I personally enjoy the various viewpoints and civil discussions and would feel much less informed without it.

Moderators, you all deserve a drink on us

if the PSU game happens like we all hope it does, bet your heinie i am rolling up to Lot 18 in my Gobble Gobble shirt and making good on this statement haha

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I've only been to the Lot18 tailgate twice, and one of those times involved the beer syringe. That was the better of the two. I think.

Thanks fo saying that, because they've done an awesome job. Also, the discourse as a whole here has been wonderful as late. Thanks, TKP.

Everything turned around when you set up the Sam Rogers AMA. The Fully Dipped Legend saved us (and you, great job getting that together).

Agreed Sam and Brewmaster turned it around 100%. But Joe, can you call Brewer back and ask him to answer my squirrel question? That was hard hitting journalism and he ducked it completely

#$^&^#$%@!!

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I hope to have drinks with many of you guys someday!

I appreciate the kind words, and I agree with your statement. I've benefited greatly from the expertise and insights of connected and/or professionally relevant TKPer's willing to weigh in. It's been a great resource.

I know that there's a lag at the end of this data, but it still looks like a steady decline in new confirmed cases in nyc, and more importantly, a sharp decline in deaths.

NYC health- covid 19 data

The number of confirmed deaths has decreased more dramatically than confirmed infections. Does anyone have any insight if changes in ventilator protocols have been adopted and if that could be helping?

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Be a little careful with the NYC data. They are reporting confirmed infections based on the testing date - not on the confirmation date. Data for past dates is continually being adjusted. I get why they are doing that, but making sense of a trend gets difficult.

I appreciated this and found it helpful to talk data presentation for the sake of data presentation instead of sensationalism...

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This is great. Thanks for sharing. Makes a ton of sense.
As noted at 6:03 in the video, I can't accept the China stated "Success", too much data misinformation.

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Person commenting is a moron. Busch Latte is the best mass produced 'shitty' light beer there is. I'll die on that hill.

I've been married 14 years but can I postpone continuing my marriage to get the free beer?

PBR unless it doesn't fit that "genre"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I can dig some PBR.

With limes though.

Free beer is free beer, I'll take it and even the shitty beers mentioned here are good for steaming shrimp and crabs, if nothing else.

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There is only one answer to the age old question of: what type of beer is the best?

Free.

Well, that does make me at least consider my firm adherence to the age old answer to that age old question of what is the best beer, which is: The Next one!

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Here here!

Beer that crushes my enemies, sees them driven before me, and produces lamentations from their women?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I pray this will console Nick for his ruined wedding plans.

Edit: There's a wink wink, nudge nudge implied here. Trying to help a brother out.

If you play it, they will win.

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Wat

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Really? I was saying that if you tell Busch that your "wedding plans" were disrupted because of the 'Rona, I will back your story so you can get some free beer. I thought the plan was fairly self evident. I guess not.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Hahah I knew what you meant. Remember, that because I almost died last year I will be a year dry in July. So I am not Busch's favorite customer anymore. I do miss it at times.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

congrats!

That's effing awesome. Congrats, Sir!

Woooo! I have de aged almost 10 years it feels like, there is no doubt about that.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Yeah, but I never got the full deets on that. I knew it was bad, but not that bad. Damn!!! Although, as I type, I do seem to remember you mentioning you would have to lay off the drink for a good period.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

So the latest development trend is that younger generations want to live/work/play without dependence on personal vehicles and overall being a more dense population. I wonder if this pandemic will have any impact on the way things develop in the future? Just thinking out loud as a nerdy civil engineer.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Once they consider that perhaps a significant manner in which the virus spread was things such as subway transportation....

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I hadn't thought of that, but maybe we will reverse course a bit and start to spread out a bit.

I had thought of another change that might happen - maybe consumption patterns will change. During this whole thing, I know mine have. I bought a tank of gas a month ago and my gas gauge is still on Full. I go grocery shopping once a week and pick up everything I need for a meal plan that spans nearly the entire week, instead of dropping in to pick one or two things up a few times a week. No fast food, no pizza, no stopping into a store like a TJMaxx of HomeGoods just to see if they have anything that fits. I am doing much more purposeful shopping instead of browsing. Besides some interesting foods I don't normally buy, I'm doing less impulse buying.

We shop online tho

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Hey gang, back in the office for the first time in two weeks. My boss decided we were going to work remotely for a while, but cases have held firm at 15 in Dare Co. for 5 days now, so it was determined that we're back at it now

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Same here. First day back after quarantine. Wearing pants and a belt. So sorry to disappoint you, Joe.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

So far the hardest part about being back in the office is not being able to drink on the job (yes I know it's not even noon, don't judge me!)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

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You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.

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If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Was told by my VP last week that he doesn't expect we'll be allowed back into the office until September, at the earliest. And even then, it'll only be 20% capacity at a volunteer basis, and that we probably won't be back 100% in the office until fall, 2021.

Which kind of sucks

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We have never left the office. No working at home in pajamas for me. Standing order is if anybody in the office gets it, we are all sent home for 2 weeks.

Probably more productive than a year of half assing from home

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

This statement is so backwards. If we learn one thing from Coronavirus (other than how to prepare/respond to a pandemic), I hope is that companies learn that many can be just as productive working at home as in the office. My company has a monthly program review where we discuss every major project in the company. The meeting concluded with the executives talking about how great everyone was doing and how surprised they were that so much is getting accomplished while working from home.

Hopefully that dinosaur line of thinking doesn't come back when this is all said and done. I know I'd be a lot happier and more productive if I can do ~50/50 split working in office and at home.

I am pro telework when properly equipped. There are a lot of employees working from home that aren't right now.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Because it's a temporary thing that was brought on by 5 minutes notice. Given time, and planning, home set ups could be extremely well equipped. Some things will never replace the office setting. I mean, I'm never getting a 48" plotter or scanner in my house. But give me a few more things and I'm a lot more comfy at home. And productive. Not knowing the timeline is the biggest elephant in the room.

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Yes, what he said.

I worked from home for many years and it takes discipline and training of the family.
Some can do it, many cannot.

I will also wait for the complaints to start of those that work from home but they have to have a room to do it, the equipment and supplies.

It always cost me more money, especially when my wife was in college because I had to rent an apartment with an extra bedroom to function as an office.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

That's just not true for many jobs and many people. Working from him is killing me

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I haven't been working from home myself because I'm "essential", but my boyfriend has and I think he's worked more hours per week while at home that he ever did when he had to go in to the office. He's actually looking forward to being furloughed next week, which is probably not a good sign.

Yes. I am pro telework if properly equipped, but I still don't prefer it myself.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Honestly I will say its been surprising to me how many companies basically weren't/aren't equipped for any sort of telecommuting. I haven't set foot in any of my company's offices in like 9 years. Admittedly I work for a big ass tech company, but it still surprising how many companies seem to issue employees laptops that are pretty much useless outside their own office building.

My buddy who has a home down there will be glad to hear that. He's writing letters to the attorneys about being banned from his home while half of Dare County heads up to Va every day to work then back.

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Oh, they're not allowed in yet. I think they will be letting non-resident property owners come back next month, but frankly, they have no business being here. Since the shit hit the fan, our grocery stores cannot stay stocked for the 33,000 residents. Gonna be bad if we're inundated with a couple hundred thousand people from all over the country.

Not to mention our 15 cases will skyrocket as folks go to escape their own residences, many undoubtedly carrying the virus, to come overburden our resources

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I suspect there are more supermarkets and Ace Hardwares per capita on the outer banks than most places.

I see store shelves emptying here too. It's not just there. It's one reason where I am beginning to rail against the hard shutdowns. starting to see strange pricing and breakdowns in logistics.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

So, if we allow non-resident owners, or tourists for that matter...what then? The number of grocery stores down here doesnt matter, if they cannot keep up with demand for 33,000 people, letting a few hundred thousand in is going to cause havoc. Unless those coming in bring all of their own supplies and groceries for however long they stay from their hometown...that's just supply standpoint.

Guaranteed once we open the bridges up, cases here spike. Our 21 bed hospital doesn't even have an ICU. Think they're ready?

Good read:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/coronavirus-covid...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Like I said, grocery shelves everywhere are about as empty.
If I was going there to a house I owned, I would be bringing significant supplies with me but I also know farmers and seafood boat operators to augment what I'd bring.
I have trade materials as well. I know how to pack in beer. I'd also makes some calls before hand to bring in supplies that are needed.

Not everyone is a vulture.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

No, not everyone, but most are. That's why there have been no toilet paper on the shelves for weeks, or meats, or hand sanitizer, or bread, or whatever else is getting wiped out. People, in general, cannot be trusted to act responsibly. We have proven that time and time again.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

That is happening everywhere. Blacksburg/Christiansburg included. Shelves in walmart/kroger haven't had toilet paper for more than an hour or two after stocking. Lots of canned goods, and fresh are disappearing.

Well, my buddy might take heated issue with you on this one. He has spent every summer at that house for decades, but lives the rest of the year in Va Beach. He is paying taxes on his NC home, paying the water bill, paying the electric bill, but is forbidden to access it. As he pointed out, Dare residents are coming up to his state, his area, shopping at his stores, working in the area, going to doctors in the area, etc., then going back to NC. Every day. Your characterization of him would start trouble, I assure you, and in this case, I see the root of your fear, but you might at least understand the root of his frustration. You don't know him, but you might find him to be a better person to be around in this crisis than most of the people around you now.
And has been pointed out, the shelves are bare everywhere. Our Food Lion in Mathews, the only grocery supermarket in the county, hasn't had TP, dried beans, rice, etc., on the shelves for a month. Many shelves are bare and we also have a large number of people with second homes here, but nobody I've heard has proposed shutting down the county. It could be easily done here.

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They should have. Rural counties don't have public safety nor healthcare facilities to handle a large scale pandemic.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I'll not debate you on the shoulds or shouldn'ts about my county, but in order not to get banhammered, I'll just say you won't get much more of a "fuck you" to authority attitude than many or even most of these folks I happen to live around, and I'll leave it at that. Not to worry about hospitals. None in this county.

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I'll add this observation about Mathews Co. as well. Go in the Food Lion, count the people wearing masks. Maybe 15%, store employees included. Max. Gloves, fewer still, and masks and gloves even fewer than that. Convenience stores, small market, gas station? Nobody wearing masks.

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Another example of people, in general, not being able to be trusted to act responsibly.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I understand their frustration, but for every 1 person that might come down to their house, bringing their own supplies and food from home to ride it out in isolation, there are going to be 5 more treating it as a vacation. I am frustrated with the # of Dare Co folks who are leaving the area to go shopping and whatnot, for essential care, I can understand, but aside from that, there is really no other reason to leave.

But, your friend must understand that a small number of OBX residents crossing the bridge and coming back is much different than opening up to 300,00+ people, most of which coming from VA, PA, NJ, and NY (three of those states are in the top 4 cases in the country).

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Look, I get your point. His point is that Dare County is discriminating against him by letting their citizens come and go at will, many of whom don't own property, pay property taxes, etc., but won't let him and his wife access their personal property. Period. All your predictions of how folks would act when they got there are suppositions you are making (and I don't dispute the fact that there are bad actors around, and believe you me, plenty of Dare Co. residents are as bad as they come, I know from decades of experience), and my friend would have plenty to say about it, but I'll just bow out of this discussion right now.

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I don't know how it can be legal to prevent people accessing their real property. Who is responsible if there is a major maintenance problem, busted pipe, fire?

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

There are certain situations in which an NRPO has been granted access to Dare Co. it is handled case-by-case through the EOC.

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Just like we all would for post hurricane or other natural disaster.

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It looks like they are announcing a plan for reentry today. I doubt it will be immediate but it is a step in the right direction for your buddy. I know I wouldn't be happy about someone telling me where my 2nd home was. Seems like I am the one that gets to decide that.

Your second home isn't your home of residence. Just like after a hurricane or other incident you have less access rights than someone whose primary residence it is. Public safety and health give local and other levels of government broad powers. For example think about search warrants and what police normally need in order to go into a home, however if the fire department or health department or building department decide your home is a risk to you or others they don't need to meet that legal standard. Yes it's an inconvenience but Dare county has an obligation to its year round permanent residents.

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Do you get to bill the county if your house floods because of a broken pipe? Or if something that routine maintenance might have addressed causes property loss?

I'm just curious where the responsibility falls. I suppose you could hire someone local to check in on the property, but that requires getting them keys and alarm codes and trusting that they won't steal all your stuff while you can't check on your house.

All in all, it sucks for lots of reasons. The priority is health, but it doesn't mean that we can just ignore the other stuff. Super complex to think about.

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Ok.

Who determines where your primary residence is?

Say you have 3 homes and spend 4 months per year in each, splitting time evenly. You pay taxes on each property and maintain each according to whatever local laws or mandates are in place. Who is to say which one is your primary?

I mean I get the issue here. Dare Co doesn't have the health care facilities to handle an outbreak. But the problem isn't that there are all these people trying to come in from out of the area to shelter in properties they own, the problem is that the local communities have prioritized other ventures over making sure they have sufficient health care facilities for the crowds they expect annually rather than relying on sending those patients to Wilmington or Raleigh for treatment.

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Where are your tax bills mailed to?

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You decide. You get a license and register to vote where you choose. For example permanent Florida residents get a tax break for their first home called a homestead exemption.

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It is a choice, but most states have rules on declaring residency. Many require 183 days of "occupancy."

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local communities have prioritized other ventures over making sure they have sufficient health care facilities for the crowds they expect annually rather than relying on sending those patients to Wilmington or Raleigh for treatment.

This really doesn't work anymore unless local governments want to setup the hospital themselves. Rural and local hospitals are being closed, a lot of them in fact.

The pandemic erupted at an awful time for communities trying to fill health care gaps following the closure of 170 rural hospitals across the nation in the last 15 years. 2019 was the worst year yet, with 19 closures, and eight more have shut down since Jan. 1, according to the Sheps Center for Health Services Research at the University of North Carolina.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/hospital-closures-complicate-cor...

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I dunno, maybe the fact that we have so many hospitals closing in the middle of a pandemic shows that maybe having a health care system that operates purely on how much money you bring in, prioritizing the closure of rural hospitals and medical centers so they can just increase revenues at the ones in urban areas might not be the best thing for the general public.

But maybe that's just me.

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I think about the only way I'd be in favor to reopen right now would be require that everyone coming have enough provisions to last 14 days, once here, mandatory 14 day quarantine at an empty timeshare (some of them are basically condos, full kitchens, 3-4 bedrooms). Can't live with that, tough, stay home

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