Devyn Ford, 2 other PSU players in trouble after marijuana, LSD found in apartment

I guess the big dogs can pay for more exotic drugs

PENN STATE FOOTBALL 3 Penn State football players facing charges after pot, LSD found in their apartment, police say

Officers responded about 3:40 p.m. Aug. 2 to sophomore running back Devyn Ford and redshirt freshman offensive linemen Sal Wormley and Caedan Wallace's apartment for a fire alarm, Penn State police wrote in an affidavit of probable cause filed Monday.

Police found marijuana "all over the floor" and detected a "very potent" smell of burned weed coming from the apartment, an officer wrote.

Marijuana, a grinder and two tabs of LSD were found in Ford's room; weed was found in Wormley's room; and a glass pipe with marijuana residue was found in Wallace's room, police wrote.

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High-legedly.

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Ahhh memories of college

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They'll catch misdemeanor charges, get it bargained down to a fine and community service, and be suspended a few games concurrent with the cancelled season.

Still a bad look though.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Don't forget the substance abuse class that is always part of the deal.

Of course, how silly of me.

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Weed isn't that big of a deal but LSD is IMHO.

My feelings as well. I was very meh on it until it said they found 2 doses of LSD in Ford's room. That... is a bigger deal

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Yeah who cares about weed. LSD is another league of drug. It's strange to me a D1 athletes drug of choice was LSD. Then again what do I know.

Hard disagree, this is a big shrug to me... LSD is non-addictive, and something you do pretty rarely. He only had two tabs; not like he was dealing it. The occasional acid trip is way less dangerous (both to the user's body and those around him) than binge drinking week in week out (which is what I did much of college). As a coach, parent, or mentor, I'd much rather catch a kid with weed and a little bit of acid than a DUI, a bar fight, etc.

Honestly, for me to get upset about a drug charge it would have to be either an addictive substance (heroine/oxy/perks/etc), or such a large quantity that the person was clearly selling, or clearly had an addiction issue.

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How about...... DMT😱

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They're definitely on their way

It's entirely possible

Not saying you are wrong, but the law classifies it as a more dangerous drug, so the charges (if filed) may be a bigger deal.

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They're both schedule 1 drugs. The law doesn't actually use any science to classify any drugs and they can both carry the same penalty. Marijuana generally gets lighter charges but can receive schedule 1 charges (even in PA state systems) just depends if you get marijuana possession or possession of a controlled substance.

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The law. Look at the hysteria behind the marijuana laws, and the continued absurd classification at the federal level. You are correct, LSD is taken more seriously than pot, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is more dangerous to most users. I would love to be able to relate at least one of the more interesting stories of athletes and LSD from the '70s, but it would be wrong, even all these years later, to pop some Hokie's bubbles and to bring up stuff with no relevance to their lives today. The main problem with most drugs used recreationally is abuse, not the drug itself, and that's more of a people problem than a drug problem. Serious stuff, I'll grant you that, but it shouldn't ruin anyone's life because of legal response to recreational use. Just my opinion, I know others have different perspectives.

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Oh man! That's the best video. I usually watch it about once a year when I'm showing someone.

I recognize that, I'm less concerned with the law, and more concerned with the player's well being. Weed and acid aren't addictive and don't put users in dangerous social positions (like alcohol often does). My biggest concern would be that the drug use is a symptom of depression or other emotional issues, but my guess is that it's just a few college age kids looking for safe ways to have fun during quarantine ways to have fun without leaving the house or exposing themselves to COVID.

EDIT: Oof , did not think that one out before typing it, really poor wording on my part. When I used the word 'safe,' I was thinking purely in terms limiting COVID exposure. Sitting on the couch getting stoned while watching Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure is way less likely to expose you to COVID than going to a bar.

To address comments below, I'm aware of the health and psychological effects of weed and acid. I was attempting to point out that alcohol tends to be a 'social' drug, which creates more opportunities for stupid decision making, whereas weed and acid typically are not. Obviously, I don't think it's okay to drive when high or tripping.

At the end of the day, all vices in life carry a risk and a reward. Using non-addictive drugs in your apartment is lower risk (especially these days) than binge drinking in public.

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Dropping Acid is now safe quarantine fun. Far out man.

This, but unironically.

I won't put words in your mouth, but anyone who would take the position that (at least from a safety perspective) it's no big deal to have a few too many drinks, but thinks a hit of LSD is a serious matter doesn't know what they're talking about.

It's not safe if it's illegal. Getting busted is a bummer, man, and can lead to horrible, life changing and long lasting problems that far outweigh the other consequences of casual drug use. I also agree that drug abuse is likely a self medication coping mechanism for folks with emotional problems, and therefore unhealthy. And obviously, anyone driving while blitzed on anything is placing themselves and others in danger. Uncool and uncalled for, especially in these days of Uber, etc.

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Calling for a friend. He says that when he dropped LSD back in the day, he wasn't about to stay put on a couch. The opportunities for epic adventures and conquest were way too tempting to pass up.

Leonard. Duh.

Yeah a friend says the same thing, but that friend also says that he would avoid others as well.

Yea, typically like 5 people will go out in nature or something.

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The first time I tripped I spent the entire cloudless night in a sleeping bag in an open field with a gazillion stars up in the sky. I was pretty entertained.

The last time I tripped was in 1977 at Tech at that spot overlooking the bend in the New River and my buddy and I decided we needed (yes, needed) to take a bong hit out of water from the river. So, we climbed all the way down to the river, accomplished our goal, and climbed all the way back up. On 'window pane'. A few weeks later we went back to that spot, looked down, and couldn't believe we had actually done that.

I'm not sure how I survived the 70's. It all seemed so harmless back then...

Edit...and a question. What was that spot overlooking the New River called...didn't it have a specific name? I remember there being one, but none of my old Hokie friends can remember.

These tripping stories aren't providing evidence to support the "safe as pot" stances, lol.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Regardless, the one thing most of them have in common is that by far the greatest danger they pose is to themselves.

There are several bends with cliff bluffs overlooking the New, most of which you'd need ropes and gear to climb down or up, though. A couple that come to mind are the Palisades downstream of Eggleston, and the Horseshoe Bend area above Pembroke.

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I have a friend who has continuing psychotic episodes because of LSD abuse. Now granted, she did a LOT back in the day, but the suggestion that LSD is somehow safe rubs me the wrong way. LSD may not be physically addictive but the risk of long-term psychotic issues is absolutely real.

^This^... I have never done anything but weed but anything that alters your perception can't be just poo poo'ed because it's not addictive...

Does addiction only mean you suffer from detox/withdrawals/potential bodily harm if you quit doing it? Because I know plenty of people that are unable to function without getting stoned all day and I would call that addiction personally.

No. There are different types of addiction. The type generally referred to when talking about the addictiveness of a drug is a chemical addiction, wherein a drug actually changes your body chemistry and creates tangible withdrawal symptoms when you miss a dose, but there are other types of addiction as well.

That's pretty much what I thought and thanks for clarification.

True. I've heard the terms psychological addiction and physical addiction.

I've heard that weed is much more a psychological addiction than a physical one but a friend once told me that he definitely had some physical symptoms when withdrawing from weed, like significant loss of appetite and a peculiar dislike of carbohydrates during his time getting away from it.

Others, like heroin, are physical. If you're addicted to heroin (or any opiates, as an example), you'll have massive physical discomfort during withdrawal. I personally know no one who has gone through this.

There are a select few addictions that can actually kill you if you quit them cold turkey, but those scenarios are reserved for addicts that are the heaviest users of the lot. All of those deal with the affect the chemicals have on GABA receptors in your brain. Two of these addictions are the family of benzodiazepines (think Valium, Xanax) and....

Alcohol.

No joke. Severe alcoholism quit cold turkey can kill you.

Anecdotes aside, there have been zero scientific evidence of physical withdrawal effects of weed. Hence the reason it is termed non addictive.

Entirely true.

Note that the physical symptoms reported by my 'friend' are mild at best, and eating fruit and protein and sacrificing carbs for a few days gets you over it pretty quick.

When I took a tolerance break from weed, I had a few symptoms for about 2.5-3 days. Sleepless nights, absolutely zero appetite, mind numbing boredom, and some light nausea. ... All in all wasn't that bad.

Experience has taught me that there are no physical symptoms of withdrawal from smoking weed. The lack of the munchies isn't withdrawal, and if there is loss of appetite, it isn't like you won't want your supper or anything, just maybe not that half a bag of M&Ms and Fritos after supper. No problems sleeping, absolutely no nausea or anything of the sort. Perhaps others have experienced something they might think of as withdrawal, but I know I certainly didn't.

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Same, though in my experience the light nausea was almost always a direct result from trying to eat carb heavy foods. I don't recall sleep problems but low appetite definitely.

Ahh, the age old adage... "this illegal drug gets me high, alters my state of mind, but I take it for some other reason" .lol. If LSD didn't "work" nobody would take it.

Honestly, for me to get upset about a drug charge it would have to be either an addictive substance (heroine/oxy/perks/etc), or such a large quantity that the person was clearly selling, or clearly had an addiction issue.

So true. You never hear about someone stealing stuff or doing "favors" for that LSD money. Now Turkey Legs on the other hand...

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Smoking Weed and dropping acid 100% affects your ability to drive a car. Beer drinkers aren't the only college kids that make bad decisions to drive while high. That should concern you equally.

My friend was driving 60mph on 64 during a snowstorm and slammed on brakes because we missed our exit....he then put the car in reverse and backed up to the exit...now it was around 2am but still very dangerous...we both were high on weed and just laughing like crazy... aah the 90s....

In 2005, I was in a car with a dude that was high and he turned and headed the wrong way down 460... that was fun...

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If you are applying weight to a DUI over recreational drugs, are you saying it would be safe to operate a vehicle while using those drugs? Seems to me that driving under any influence is a secondary bad decision separate from the drug/alcohol.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Totally agree. I tried to clarify my opinion above.

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Agree with this. Though I would say that he should go and find some mushrooms instead, they're far superior. And he lives like right over there *gestures out my front window* so he gotta tell me where the spots are.

You would eat something growing on your own horse turds?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

It's usually cow droppings but... maybe

Nothing a little lemon juice can't fix.

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As a PSA and counter-point to being harmless, one of my son's high school friends dropped what he thought was 2 hits of acid while at the beach on a spring break trip from college. Turns out it was a synthetic put on a blotter and sold as acid. He freaked out, tried to kill himself, spent several nights in a padded room in a mental hospital trying to figure out what was real and what was not, and another two weeks recovering. Lost a semester of school. Chemical test showed no LSD in his system, just an unidentified phsyco-reactive chemical. Per the medical staff people are buying this stuff online from China and selling to the unsuspecting, and his case was not unique. Acid itself may not be as dangerous as other substances, but it is not regulated, and you may not be getting what you think you are.

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Acid itself may not be as dangerous as other substances, but it is not regulated, and you may not be getting what you think you are.

No illegal drugs are regulated, and there's always the risk that you're getting something you aren't expecting. That's kinda the whole point.

More importantly than not regulated, there is no legal recourse against someone who sold you an illegal substance if you don't know where it came from.

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I sense a good argument for legalization

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That's fucked up... and a very valid point.

Leonard. Duh.

I will add that in my experience, very few hits of "acid" were actually pure LSD. The difference is astounding, but most people never know what they've taken.

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Same can be said for coke, meth, crack, molly, ecstasy, heroin and so on and son on. It's all a big toss up of what you're actually doing when it comes to drugs for most things outside of pot and pills.

That Blue Sky stuff was as pure as it gets, though....

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So you're saying they'll transfer to Miami and be immediately eligible. Got it.

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I'm meeting you half-way you stupid hippies

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My unscientific, totally guessing hypothesis is that probably over 75% of college football and basketball players smoke dope. But LSD? that's a different deal

Ignoring the random statistics, what does that LSD part mean though? A "different deal"? They're worse people for having it? They're more dangerous to people around them? I don't understand why one of these is cool and the other isn't. It seems like it's just commonality, and that seems like a bad metric to be using.

Where there's fire, there's smoke?

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Damn, LSD? Lol that's pretty wild.

Sure seems like the RBs from VA that go to PSU lately haven't worked out so well...Slade, Ford and who was the other one a few years further back that had a negligible career

Royster

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Royster is penn state's all time leading rusher. I wouldn't call that negligible

Wasn't there an RB from Fairfax High School that went there in like 2014ish that ended up doing nothing?

I am reminded of possibly the greatest sports achievement of all time. The LSD no-hitter.

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I've heard all recordings of this game have been destroyed, which is a shame. From wikipedia:

Ellis' box score for the game reads as follows: 0 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K. Ellis tied eight other players for the MLB record with the three hit batsmen in the inning.

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Nothing to see here folks...

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I can't see sounds, ... At least not without LSD anyway. (I'm assuming)

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I'm not sure if any other movie line has ever had me laughing harder than this one.

That whole scene!

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

That particular line spoke to me on a spiritual level.

But yes the whole thing is a delight

littering and...

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...littering and..

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The opening after they leave the first time had me laughing so hard I nearly missed the dialogue

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I'm not going to say it..

STAY OFF THE WEEEDDDUHHHH

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If I remember correctly, one of the reasons for Ford opting for PSU was how they "take care of" their players...something about a relationship lasting more than 4 years in a quote that I recall.

It will be interesting to see how far Franklin & Co. will go to "take care of" this situation, especially with 2 other established RB coming back and 2 highly-regarded Fr. coming in.

Although, having their Season pushed back until Spring may actually make it easier to brush over this one without too much scrutiny.

Franklin will be all

Well, at tech he'd be automatically dismissed when charged with a felony. I'm sure the boards would go full meltdown with that one.

What's up with the marijuana "all over the floor"?

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I was curious about this as well. Are there sprinklings of a broken joint or are there like dozens of colas strewn about?

Carpet weed is a thing, so I've heard.

I've heard about it too, but never tried it.

Officers responded at 3:40pm. Would have been funnier at 4:20.

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Not long ago I thought why I never dropped acid. Blotter was everywhere in college. Then I remembered the guy that hid under his bed for hours because he believed his arm was a snake.

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Eh, not sure i would say LSD is "safe".

I've played with plenty of it (and many other things) in the past, and we were definitely pretty cautious about what we were doing.

I was pretty surprised that they found this, since I figured that many people had moved on from playing with it.

Previously LowBrau.

Is it not true that one of the issues with LSD is it brakes chromosomes that can cause some major birth defects?

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I've never heard that, but he's already been born so he should be in the clear.

Interestingly enough because LSD is the Illegal drug that the US government is most knowledgeable about scientifically. It was a schedule 2 drug until some time in the 90s. This was because there were lots of experiments with the drug done by the military and Intel community, so they kept it as schedule 2. The schedule 1 drugs like coke and weed never had long term studies done for them.

He should be hammered for this but he won't

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Oh he was hammered alright.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I guess it might have been the era in which I was raised or at least the manner. I don't understand the appeal of a drug that causes hallucinations or even loss of conscious control. Especially one that might have long lasting effects or re-occurrence months or even years after exposure.

If a felony charge is brought, the young man might have just lost his immediate future and potentially impacted the rest of his life.

I have a few friends who have dropped acid and explained the appeal. They do it in a safe and comforting environment with friends. Normally someone's home. That removes risks in terms of getting into a car or a bad high that could make for a rough 8 hours. They also warn that you need to be in a good mental state before doing it. If you're down yourself then it'll be exacerbated. My friends have said that the trip normally led them to a self-realization and they changed for the better from it. I've had a couple friends improve their physical health or start working a lot harder after having one of these trips. I'm sure that's not always the case, but I have heard that it can be positive when respected.

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"Friends"......

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Not sure if the quotes means you're insinuating I have actually done it myself or that these people aren't my friends. But, I've honestly never done it. I've been offered, but it was never important enough to me. And they are my friends who I value and keep up with.

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They do it in a safe and comforting environment with friends. Normally someone's home.

That's what's throwing me off about some of the comments on here. Like you, I haven't done it myself, but know people who have, and their comments were the same as yours.

From that, my understanding is it's a drug that is meant to enjoyed with a small group of close friends in an enclosed environment. It's not a party drug like what others on here seem to think. Comparing it directly to alcohol just seems silly knowing anything about it. Not that driving on it wouldn't be dangerous, it just is a weird comparison.

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You're absolutely right - not a party drug in any sense.

In high school I did shrooms before going to a big party (one of those irrationally large high school parties where you don't know 80% of the attendees) and it was hands down the most overwhelmed I've ever felt in my life. It was absolutely terrible. I almost called my mom because I was so scared. Thankfully I still had enough sense to know that was not a good idea.

To be clear, this not an indictment of shrooms or acid, but an indictment of being an idiot and taking psychedelics in a chaotic environment.

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IMHO, any psychedelic, particularly the more intense ones like LSD or psilocybin cubensis, are best enjoyed alone in a safe environment where you're unlikely to be interrupted after having gained experience with small doses. Set yourself up in an expectable environment that where you can enjoy the intrinsic experience.

Having said that, both of those have a cycle. LSD has a longer cycle than mushrooms but both have a 'coming up' phase, a 'tripping' phase' and a 'coming down' phase.

The 'coming up' phase is the hardest to control. Keep yourself in a safe, known, controlled space in this phase. Because every moment is getting weirder, not having to deal with anything unexpected both prevents problems and allows enjoyment. Don't go out in this phase. A "friend" once told me that if he were going to trip and was eventually going to have a bunch of people around, in this phase he'd isolate himself so that he'd be able to go through the craziness of this phase and get himself in control for the next ones.

The 'tripping' phase is just a blast. Mushrooms make you feel like you're the best version of yourself and you're on the top of the world. LSD doesn't do that exactly, but it does provide similar intense sensory hallucinations that are, more than likely, the reason you decided to experiment with it to begin with. Enjoy this phase intrinsically. Again, in my opinion, best enjoyed where your internal experience is better than you external experience, particularly if you can do this in a natural environment (woods, streams, lakes, oceans, etc), but if you have good people around, enjoy. If there are inexperienced or reckless people around, do not engage them while you're in this phase.

The 'coming down' phase - this is where I would go out. After you've peaked and on your way to fading, you'll naturally feel more in control and ready to interact with uncontrollable forces and outside influences. I'd argue that in this phase, particularly with mushrooms, you'll be in great form to go to a bar, take in the scene, be in control of yourself, flirt your brain out, and live in the moment. Great fun. On LSD, you've been tripping for much longer so you'd probably be exhausted. That's fine. This is also the first phase where you might feel hungry, so make sure before you start that there is something easy to grab when this comes around.

Naturally, a few disclaimers:
- At no point in any of this should you drive anywhere. Do. Not. Do. This.
- Eat well and healthy before you start. No need to get hungry while you're in the stratosphere.
- I'd argue that you shouldn't have any other intoxicating substances throughout. These things are fun on their own, enjoy them without interference. Alcohol and weed dull the experience in ways, though generally I'd argue that the influence of alcohol is generally eliminated unless you consume massively. Weed makes you dull and kills the experience.
- If you smoke tobacco, you won't want to this entire time. Best not to, it'll make you feel shitty.
- After the prescribed timeframe (6 hrs for mushrooms, 9+ for acid), smoking pot can reinvigorate the trip. Best to do this the day after, it's fun and fine, though if you're staying in for the night no harm in it. But the day after, don't treat weed like a background feeling, it'll bring yesterday to the fore so plan accordingly.
- Have sex if the opportunity presents itself, in the coming down phase. Fun. Be safe. Not recommended in other phases but you do you.
- Remember that both of these mess with your ability to interpret sensory signals so you might hear sights, see scents, feel sounds, etc etc. And if you are sitting down and your legs feel heavy, you probably need to pee.
- Don't sit around listening to Dark Side of the Moon or watching a movie. Sure it's fun but the world is funner. Look at a tree waving in the wind. Walk barefoot in the grass. Listen to a cat purring. Pet a dog. Smell flowers. Stand in the sun, maybe in sand. Listen to water. Put your hand in it. Feel breeze.

Most important, be safe, have fun. Know that psychedelics are 'emotional magnifiers' so if you're in bad health, generally pissed off, or in bad form, it's best to abstain. If you decide to experiment, plan it ahead of time so that you can be in a safe, comfortable, familiar environment where you have everything you might need (air, water, food, bathroom) and a few things that you might want in the moment (a place to sequester yourself if you need to regain your sense of self, a trusted companion, etc) and avoid things that might make you worry (impending deadlines etc). Get a little exercise, a shower, and a shave before you start. Clean your place so you experience clean surroundings and a sense of accomplishment before you start. Put yourself in a position to enjoy the rest of your day. Have fun, be safe, much love.

~HOAT

idk maybe just be me but I find a level of irony in wishing general safety multiple times in a Tripping Balls for Dummies guide

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When you're in that moment, you have to be prepared. I've seen people unable to handle what they're experiencing, so safety first. It's more about not f!cking around with something that could potentially be dangerous, and in the moment is a scenario where you're well outside of prescience. In my friend's experience, prep is a better plan than recovery.

idk maybe just be me but I find a certain level of irony in saying that it's not f!cking around with something that could potentially be dangerous when you're talking about hallucinogenic drugs

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I'm not sure I get your point.

My point is that you can have fun and be safe in the face of something that could be dangerous. Experience in this field has been an effective teacher.

Drugs have an inherent allure and an inherent danger. Psychedelic experiences can be both enjoyable and beneficial when taken in moderation and with appropriate foresight and precautions.

Are we disagreeing or am I missing the point?

You and HOAT just have a very different viewpoint on drugs at your core. This conversation will get nowhere.

whereas I'm sitting back hoping it turns into another morality thread

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Part of the reason I have stayed away from commenting for the most parts. I try to keep all of my fun of the legal kind.

haha I felt it coming. Just wasn't going to work.

That's some good bear pokin'

That's some good moderatin'

Is there an an award for the most off-the-rails debate on TKP? Because I have a nominee!

Nominees are only accepted from KeyPlayersClub members.

Though I'm sure there is little debate.

Can I come hang out with you?

Sure but if you wanted to hang out like that you'd need a time machine back to the early aughts.

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Leonard. Duh.

I don't understand the appeal of a drug that causes hallucinations or even loss of conscious control.

A lot of people 'trip' to push themselves outside of their comfort zone, have an experience that changes/challenges their world view, and/or just to have a good time. Have you ever solo traveled to a foreign country where you can't speak the native language? Yea there's a risk for so much to go wrong (less so since the smart phone became a thing, but still), but there's also a chance you learn about people who live completely different from you. It can truly change your world view. Or it can just be a good time.

Hallucinogens can offer a similar challenge/experience. Steve Jobs has famously said that he would not have invented the iPhone without the perspective that LSD gave him. There's a lot of people who credit mushrooms to increased empathy and better interpersonal skills. I know this may sound like some hippy-dippy granola bullshit, but many people who have done it would agree.

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I, for one, would agree.

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This is such bullshit.

Ford wouldve had a better time on shrooms thats probably the only thing I have against him right now.

It's dumb that both of those drugs are schedule 1 and oxy isnt. (arbitrary number alert) 99% of the drugs you see ads for on tv are more dangerous than weed, shrooms, lsd, etc.

That's disingenuous Though. Most drugs require a medical professional to prescribe to you. Now could their be a drastic change to American drug policy and how we treat people on drugs and who use drugs, hell yes.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I feel like with the personal tripping stories and debate over US Drug laws, we are getting off topic here.

Think its time for a division:
*LSD News Thread
*LSD Discourse Thread

/ducks

Ima wait until LSD Thread XXX before I weigh in. I've got all kinds of stuff to tell you guys.

Leonard. Duh.

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after reading this thread:

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There's a reason Jesus turned water into wine, not regular grape juice.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

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So is now the time when we need a

DEVYN FORD, 2 OTHER PSU PLAYERS IN TROUBLE AFTER MARIJUANA, LSD FOUND IN APARTMENT DISCOURSE THREAD?

S/

Is coronavirus over yet?