Report: Baylor Targeting Fuente, Set to Interview

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Whether you're in the pro Fuente camp or not, this would be a really crappy time to lose a coach.

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If it did happen I'd be happy with Bud for at least a year, like Jim Grobe did for Baylor

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For Buds health I don't think this is the appropriate option

I don't believe Fu leaves.

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Sorry, I disagree. Probably a lot more moola. He doesn't care about VT - it's a stepping stone. He cares about $$. He's from TX. What more could he ask for? Sure it would be crappy for him to do it....but, again it's all about money. All the new hires: will they get canned when a new HC brings his entourage? Recruits will be let out of their signed LOI - why make them hang around if they're going to pout? But, hey, recruiting sucks - they write big articles about signing a 3-star! Seriously? One from VA this year. We sit back and let PSU, Michigan, Clemson and the like rob everything out of the 757. And how many Texas boys will get homesick or dissatisfied and run for the portal? But what would we lose? Someone who gave us a losing season last year. A former QB who, come the start of the season, still thought Willis was the answer. An embarrassing loss to UVA. Shit, give him a plane ticket and pat him on the back!

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Fuente is from Oklahoma, not Texas.

I don't think he saw VT as a stepping stone or that he's all about money. He didn't previously rebuff offers from other big name P5 programs for no reason. Personally I think one of the major positives he believed VT offered was job stability. In the wake of the strong vocal backlash from the fan base this season, I'm not sure he would consider that to be the case at this point.

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My speculated theory is that Fuente was unaware of the unique challenges that exist in Blacksburg. In modern day college football, we're at a disadvantage due to (1) funding and (2) location (all of our geographic rivals are closer to our recruiting hotbeds than we are).

This tweet from really hit home for me...

My theory is that Fuente has realized/come to terms with the glass ceiling that exists at VT. Our budget is not keeping up with that of our peers (due to the ACC's failure to monetize TV rights, and our medium size donor base), and it's starting to limit us on the field.

EDIT: JUGS comment above further supports my theory:

In terms of Corn -> Whit decided he didn't have enough $ to replace a whole defensive staff and bring in a whole new offensive staff. The hires pretty much speak to that as well. Lechty to RB is a good but cheap hire, JHam is a good but cheap hire, the only cash that got splashed so to speak was Tapp & Bill.

When Fuente was introduced as head coach at VT, a common question was "Why VT?" to which Fuente often responded with "Why not?" I think after 3-4 years, he's starting to answer that question...

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It's a great point, but a lot of this is on Fuente's coaching performance. You want to see donations and fan involvement, which leads to contributions, increase? Don't box out fans at every possible movement and wall off the program. Also, stop losing inexplicable games to Syracuse, George Tech x2, ODU, and barely surviving against FCS teams. Fuente lowered the program's ceiling to eight wins a year and competing for a Coastal title once every four years. He holds a lot of the blame for why the program doesn't have enough money to blow up the phones of big time assistants.

People may disagree with this, but Fuente might not have understood that he would have to sell his program to not just recruits, but also to fans. At Illinois St, Memphis, and TCU, I imagine there was a "if we build it, they will come" attitude. He built it on his own schedule, and the fans came. He probably didn't realize that he would have to pander to fans as well as recruits; he probably thought he could hire someone else to lead efforts for fan interaction.

Fuente lowered the program's ceiling to eight wins a year and competing for a Coastal title once every four years.

Our ceiling was 8 wins for three seasons before Fuente got here. The foundation started to become unsturdy in 2010. Fuente didn't have the funds to fix it in 4 years.

He holds a lot of the blame for why the program doesn't have enough money to blow up the phones of big time assistants.

No he doesn't. Jim Weaver deserves more blame for this than anyone else. I think Swoffard deserves plenty of blame as well. Ultimately, it's Whit's job to fundraise, NOT Fuente's. If Whit feels otherwise, then he should have the conversation up front with any potential coach.

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Our ceiling was 8 wins for three seasons before Fuente got here. The foundation started to become unsturdy in 2010. Fuente didn't have the funds to fix it in 4 years.

The '8 win ceiling' was the reason folks started getting restless and Frank was shown the door. The expectation was NEVER that that level of success was our ceiling moving forward. I don't think CJF has performed to expectations.

Additionally, where we may be behind in revenues, saying 'Fuente didn't have the funds to fix it' is disingenuous. We don't have the funds to beat BC, Duke, GT, Syracuse, UVA, ODU, we're squeaking by Furman??....that's not a funding issue.

Fuente's record:

10-4
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He may be poised to turn a corner here. But we may never find out, since some supporters of the program aren't happy with Fuente.

You know, it can get worse. So be careful what you wish for.

The more "his"recruits play, the more games he loses.

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Ah yes, the Big Lebowski, and one of the greatest scenes in cinema history. Also, mildly on point with news breaking about Fu possibly leaving...

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Bullshit mark it 8 dude.

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At the end of the day, we may never know if 8 wins was the start of an upswing or if it was a regression towards the mean. There's a fair argument here for both optimism and pessimism.

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Additionally, where we may be behind in revenues, saying 'Fuente didn't have the funds to fix it' is disingenuous. We don't have the funds to beat BC, Duke, GT, Syracuse, UVA, ODU, we're squeaking by Furman??....that's not a funding issue.

Your confusing the macro and the micro. The macro trend is that due to lack of funding we have fallen behind our ideal position in terms of recruiting and staff quality. The result is that that instead of having a ~85% chance of beating the median ACC team, we now have a ~60% chance of beating that team.

The '8 win ceiling' was the reason folks started getting restless and Frank was shown the door. The expectation was NEVER that that level of success was our ceiling moving forward. I don't think CJF has performed to expectations.

I don't disagree with this, but I believe this a misalignment between what's required to meet fans' expectations and what fans are actually giving.

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Nailed it. VT did more with a lot less for a LONG time. Fans complained about Beamer being complacent with 10 win seasons but fans were complicit in that by continuing to provide mediocre financial support (Jim Weaver's approach was a significant factor as well). Ultimately, fan expectations had become drastically skewed from the norm in college football and we've gotten an unfortunate wake up call. It won't help that some have convinced themselves to dig in and withhold financial support as they pretend that is a form of exercising their opinion toward recent on-field results.

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Not only did VT do more with less, but the 'cost of living' to be a top 25 program was less as well. VT was getting 1% raises every year while everyone else was getting 5% raises. That's compounded over 10 years, and that's why we find ourselves in this situation.

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Yeah, except two (major points). You blame Fuente for bad/headscratcher losses. Beamer had some of those too. Beamer was a great coach, but we lost to JMU in 2010. If that's not a bad/headscratcher loss, I don't know what is. And we lost to GA Tech a number of times before Fuente ever came to campus.

The other is Fuente didn't lower the ceiling. Fans' expectations (at least some fans) have been lowered, or think they have to lower them. Last year we had an INCREDIBLY young team, with true and redshirt freshmen all over the place. This year, we were again a young team, as evidenced by returning 19 starters (we could use the 21 figure because even though they're not all returning, 21 starters had eligibility remaining, getting to the youth on the team). We'll get to 10 wins again, but "fans" like you can't want to kick him out after his 3rd year. That's straight out of the SEC fan manual.

He holds the blame why the program doesn't have enough money? Now you're straight on drugs. There wasn't more money when Beamer had us at consistent 10 win seasons, so there's absolutely NO way you can peg this on Fuente. This article states that VA Tech athletic giving increased by 59% in 2018. You can't argue that increase was because Beamer fans had a delay in wanting to give. Based on your argument, athletic donations should have gone down.

I agree there are definitely unique challenges at VT. We all know the limitations we currently have and the fundraising situation. But let's not act like Fuente did nothing to make the situation worse. You could not lose to ODU in Norfolk and royally piss off the fans/damage the reputation of the program. You could not try and force a round peg into a square hole with Willis and cost us two ugly conference losses right off the bad and struggle against ODU again plus two FCS teams. You could not crap the bed from a coaching standpoint and break the UVA streak against a one-man offense. There may be challenges at Tech, but Fuente's recent success or lack thereof didn't do a lot to inspire a ton of confidence in donors.

Some of the connected guys I've talked to said they don't ever see Fuente in the SEC, because he doesn't want to deal with the SEC recruiting grind, but that makes Baylor all the more appealing landing spot. Baylor has SEC money to pay it's head coaches (~6m/yr range), but the Big12 is a conference better suited to winning with Fuente-level recruiting much like the ACC. The Big 12 usually only has OU and Texas recruiting in the top 25 or even top 30 some years.

Throw in the fact that he needed a perfect program in place to beat ODU and not have 40 players leave, yeah he wasn't up to the "challenge". VT is one of the top 5 winningest programs since 1995.. You can't win in Blacksburg? lol. Justin Fuente can't win in blacksburg. My money is that he wont win at Baylor either.

Maybe you didn't notice, but Fuente HAS won in Blacksburg.

And if he is here next year, with his actual recruits in place, he'll win more.

But some fans aren't patient enough to support him through the process.

So in year 5, Fuente is on track to perhaps beat UVA and Duke and capture the coastal. Awesome. Whit will never find that level of replacement.

We can find a replacement who can get those results.

My belief is that Fuente is on the path to doing better. But we won't find that out if he leaves now.

it's like leaving a close football game in the third quarter.

Fuente currently has a better winning % vs UVA than Beamer, but keep on beating that drum if you want

That has to be the most slanted statistic I have ever seen.

Sorry, I disagree. Probably a lot more moola. He doesn't care about VT - it's a stepping stone. He cares about $$. He's from TX. What more could he ask for? Sure it would be crappy for him to do it....but, again it's all about money. All the new hires: will they get canned when a new HC brings his entourage? Recruits will be let out of their signed LOI - why make them hang around if they're going to pout? But, hey, recruiting sucks - they write big articles about signing a 3-star! Seriously? One from VA this year. We sit back and let PSU, Michigan, Clemson and the like rob everything out of the 757. And how many Texas boys will get homesick or dissatisfied and run for the portal? But what would we lose? Someone who gave us a losing season last year. A former QB who, come the start of the season, still thought Willis was the answer. An embarrassing loss to UVA. Shit, give him a plane ticket and pat him on the back!

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So this is why Fuente's been working on recruiting in Texas.

FFS. Or Beau Davidson just has a connection and has gotten interest from talented players.

You'd like to think he isn't s scummy as buzz williams, but maybe

and both were hired by Whit, which brings his ability to judge the personal integrity of his hires. Hopefully, he is learning. So far, Young is looking good and I suspect is not going to run from the Burg at the first call from another school.

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I know Baylor has some kind of major benefactor. But, as a private institution, you have to wonder if that buyout is any kind of detriment.

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They are flush with cash. The buyout from
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Baylor was reportedly paying Rhule $6-$7M/year. Money ain't no thang there.

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Don't quote me on this but the buy out was like 20 million per year on the contract and he had multiple years left.

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Well, there you go.

I have mixed feelings. If this is BS, it is disruptive when they desperately need to land some secondary help.

If this isn't BS and Fuente is using it for leverage, it is good if it ups the football ops budget. It is bad if it is increasing his own salary or buyout.

If Fuente is seriously considering it, the program is going to be in a really difficult position short term. Even if there is a candidate with more long term upside, short term you aren't getting that candidate.

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It can't increase his buyout anymore without the fan base going nuts. Fuente already has a huge buyout and we get effectively peanuts if he leaves.

I mean it could be a good thing either way, if we keep him yay if we lose him atleast we get seriously paid

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That's not how his contract is written. If he leaves on his own, we get a fraction of the payout as compared to his if we were to fire him. I don't recall offhand, but it's no more than a couple million at this point.

Edit: someone pointed out below, it's only $1M

Hot take! If it does happen - Bud will come out of retirement to be the Head Ball Coach.

Regardless - I like to be in the position where folks want our coach.

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His contract doesn't allow him realistically to leave for another college job.

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From what I saw - it basically locks him in for other college OC positions (lateral moves), but does not stop him from career advancement moves (college HC, NFL)

Brady wasn't LSU's OC, just the passing game coordinator and WR coach

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You know who else was just a WR coach before getting a head gig?

Yea, but supposedly Brady wants to be in the NFL.

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This article says he would be allowed to leave for a head coaching job. Having said that, I doubt he turns down the NFL.

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Is that a better job than the one he has now? Seems like he's building something here and has momentum in a place with a good fan base and winnable division, and just got his staff in place on D after all these years. What's better about Baylor? Would they pay a lot more?

As a private school. NO one knows what they will pay.

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This. But as a school in Texas, I recklessly assume that there is oil money involved and Fuente would get paid well.

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Honestly, if I were Fuente, after the past 2 years I'd jump ship and take a couple years at Baylor for a boatload of cash and then retire.

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Seeing him interviewing really pisses me off. Baylor is not a better job than VT.

Given his recruiting lately, it feels like he might have been angling for this for a while, which leaves an incredibly bad taste in my mouth.

Just seeing this out there has made me lose a hell of a lot of respect for the man.

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Not a better job but it is in Texas...it's like a whole other country

It depends on how you define a better job. Baylor would most certainly be paying him a lot more than we are.

The Big 12 pretty much stinks other than Oklahoma. You can't tell me it would be harder to win that league at Baylor than in the ACC with Clemson on the other side. Hell, Baylor had a chance to do it this season and made a NY6 bowl as an at large.

Seeing him interviewing really pisses me off. Baylor is not a better job than VT.

It pays better and it's in a part of the country that he prefers. Definitely a less prestigious job than VT but might be better for him.

Given his recruiting lately, it feels like he might have been angling for this for a while, which leaves an incredibly bad taste in my mouth.

My impression since he got here was that he would leave for a B12 gig when he got the opportunity. I just thought it would be OkSt, OU, TCU, or Texas, not Baylor. I also don't think he was recruiting Texas just to build connections for a future job; I think he finds it easier to recruit there.

That said, I've heard talk for about a year now that Fuente underestimated the cultural difference between SWVA and the Southwest (some comments on PAPN kind of confirmed this). The comments seemed to make more and more sense as Fuente shifted recruiting to places he was more familiar with from his days at TCU and Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he was also caught off guard by some of the unique challenges at VT. That said, you could be right.

Just seeing this out there has made me lose a hell of a lot of respect for the man.

Come on, you can't fault someone for taking (much less considering) a job that pays more money in a part of the country they like more. What would you do in his shoes.

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Come on, you can't fault someone for taking (much less considering) a job that pays more money in a part of the country they like more. What would you do in his shoes.

It's the timing. He literally just signed a recruiting class and hired an entire new defensive coaching staff. If he takes another job now, it really, really screws us over in both the short and long term.

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I just feel like you can't fault someone for trying to improve their and their family's life. If the Baylor job was open, and he signed this class knowing he was leaving, I'd agree. But this job literally just opened up; he wasn't lying or misleading the fanbase.

I try to look at coaching moves through the lens of my career. I know there is no way in hell I'm not taking a job that drastically improves my/my family's lives just because it's inconvenient for my employer.

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Maybe we should wait and see what happens before we rain hellfire on the guy.

Your valid logic and calm reasoning has no place here.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

What would you do in his shoes.

Obviously I'm not in the football business and making millions each year, but I'd feel like a sack of crap for uprooting the lives of people like Wiles (fired and moving to NC) and all of the assistants he just hired who are in the process of moving their families to the Blacksburg area, who may end up moving again immediately if things don't work out with the next coach. I get that it's a part of the business, but it's a really bad look to me.

Echoing what I said above, but he's not lying or intentionally misleading his employers or employees. If he knew this opportunity was going to come up, he probably wouldn't have fired Wiles. He probably would have told Kill, Claeys, and Teerlinck, who are friends from previous jobs as well.

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If he doesn't take the job, it just shows he seriously doesn't get it when it comes to program optics and recruiting. How are you going to give all of our competition that much negative recruiting ammo? It just seems like that side of the job just isn't clicking for him.

I think that's just the job. It's not like he leaked the story.

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Agreed. If you are committed to Virginia Tech then you do not take any other official visits.

This needs to go plaid

Just playing devil's advocate here.... didn't Beamer visit UNC?

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I mean yes, but he's pointing out that Fuente has pulled offers because a recruit visited someone else only to now pull this kind of stuff now.

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Touche, didn't pick up on that

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I think Beamer had verbally accepted the job and was about to pull the uhaul out of the driveway when he changed his mind

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

wasnt quite THAT late, but yeah he did verbally accept.

Shit this is a good comment

I don't think this is an accurate analogy. This is treating the situation like a recruit who has not yet signed with a school and going and looking at other schools. That isn't the situation. This is more like a recruit has signed with the school, come in and played 2 years, then the school looks at the player and says, you had a down year (regardless of reason) and tells them (through the most vocal fan base of disapprovers) that they want you gone. Then the player (in the analogy) worked hard and made changes to improve their performance. And then you're surprised and angry that they put their name in the transfer portal when things seemed like they'd improve next year?

Was just about to post this... I hope he doesn't leave, I really think there's a lot to be optimistic about this year and that the program finally turned the corner. I was excited about the new defensive staff, returning players everywhere, and the recruiting class.

More importantly, I'm not sure who we'd go after; we're at a weird time in the hiring cycle.

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He's going to do this to some of the assistants he hired within the last few weeks? What a disgusting business this can be.

Lol don't let the door hit you on the way out. Almost feel bad for Baylor

Wouldn't Baylor also have to pay us his buyout?

The money we would receive is pennies compared to what we pay him to buy him out.

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after the duke loss this would have gone plaid

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The Baylor players have been consistently taking to social media for one of their coordinators to get promoted so we will see how that plays out as well.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I hope this isn't true. It'd be shitty for a lot of reasons. Perhaps most significantly: you just cleared out a bunch of assistant coaches (including Wiles) only to nope out a month later?

How hated will he be if he does this?? Timing is awful. Can't even imagine.

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I would go out and say he would be the most hated coach in VT history.

Second to only Marcus Vick

He's torched the relationship between the football alumni and the program. He lost to Virginia for the first time in 16 years. He came in and demoted Torrian Gray basically forcing him out of the program. Almost all remnants of the Beamer era are gone, and leaving now would be him essentially burning it down and the leaving before he tries to build it back up. And our current recruiting is a disaster.

If he leaves the next coach is going to have a major rebuild to undertake. One that will take years before we see improvement. And it will get worse before it gets better.

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This take is way too hot.

He's torched the relationship between the football alumni and the program.

They're donating more than ever before

Almost all remnants of the Beamer era are gone

Darryl Tapp, Jham, Jack Tyler, are all on staff still. Plus, what did you expect? Beamer and Foster and Co. had to leave at some point.

And our current recruiting is a disaster.

Upcoming classes are looking really good so far.

If he leaves the next coach is going to have a major rebuild to undertake. One that will take years before we see improvement. And it will get worse before it gets better.

There's 19 starters returning, and the roster is young. I think the right coach could come in and be successful. I think a potential new coach has to hang on to the current defensive staff though - a major scheme change will set us back.

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Upcoming classes are NOT looking good. We have discussed this ad nauseam on this board.

This year's class isn't stellar, but next year's class looks great.

There are 3 commits 1 of which is a 4 star.

How this equates to " this is a great class is beyond me" there is literally no evidence to support this other than twitter posts and message board banter.

It's currently the 20th ranked class for 2021.

Clearly too early to be assessing it one way or the other, but we are recruiting some decent players.

Trying to bash it at this point is seriously misguided.

So in the same breath we could say the only true metric is next years class meaning upcoming recruiting is in fact NOT looking good correct?

I'm saying you can't use it as a talking point either way, really.

Other to say it will likely be better if he stays.

Ok. So that's why i responded to the guy above that said otherwise. That was the whole point of my post.

Yeah, whoever said this was totally off base:

Upcoming classes are NOT looking good. We have discussed this ad nauseam on this board.

What?

Yeah, and even though Beamer and Foster have retired, Beamer is still around campus and Foster has some job within the department, so players sure have left, but we're bringing Tech grads back as you pointed out.

There's 19 starters returning

That wont be the case if CJF leaves. I'd expect heavy attrition, like what happens at any school after a coaching change

I think the new coach will at least have a chance to re-recruit current players. Also depends what staff is kept in tact. There's a lot up in the air right now.

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Fuente hasn't torched ANYTHING at VT.

But he did make some changes that needed to be made.

If any alumni are upset, it's because they have unrealistic expectations, and very possibly their heads up their asses.

Pretty sure majority of the Fanbase will be stoked, especially after we hire the Clemson DC as our coach

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Venables is coaching his kid right now, and has another kid in high school who will presumably walk on at Clemson. He ain't leaving.

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Maybe their OC or maybe we lure Chad Morris away?

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Chad Morris did so bad at Ark, I do not want him as an HC. His culture issues were far worse than Fuente's 2018 offseason.

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Maybe this is how we can get rid of corn
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or maybe corn becomes our head coach

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So he promotes Ham and Lechtenberg, hires Kill, Claeys, Teerlinck, Tapp, and Smith, and then leaves for Baylor? That doesn't seem right. I guess he can take some of them with him.

Can't see this happening.

Kill or Bud for coach. Might be just a temp job for them but if it's there...

Or maybe, just maybe, wait until Fuente doesn't get the job and then fire him. I guess we don't have the buyout money.

Which coach can die on the sideline first doesn't sound like a good strategy.

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Is this the Hatin' On Mack Brown thread?

Well this is fun...if he leaves in this manner, Fuente would likely be the most hated man in VT history. On the plus side he'd probably take Corny with him.

Honestly I can't see it happening, but what if this is all JHam's plot to rise to the Head job like how Frank Underwood got the presidency? /s

Next to Brent Williams?

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He got VT to a sweet 16, and helped increase the profile of the basketball program...yeah I'd vote for Fuente as most hated if he ditched Blacksburg after the staff overhaul/ recruiting signings.

He'd be miles ahead of Buzz. Buzz took us from last place to the Sweet 16. Fuente lost to ODU and UVA.

Also if you were shocked at Buzz leaving then you had sone seriously opaque O&M glasses. Buzz came and did what VT and Buzz wanted to do, it was a business relation that worked very well for both parties. Now was the break as clean as it could be no, but I never thought it would be with Buzz becuase that's just who he is.

I liken this to the WVU-michigan dealings. Belien left and no one at WVU had any ill will, he wasnt a WV guy, he did well there and moved on. Then they got their hometown guy (Huggy Bear) and he's set for life. But if he leaves the entire state will disown him because he one of them. (Basically the RichRod treatment, Richrod also did some super shady shit).

Mike Young is the hometown guy, he came home to lead VT. We did our business deal to get better now we have our guy. I'm not suggesting we disown him if he leaves, however people will be upset if a guy leaves home after coming back home.

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My perspective is that Buzz could have stayed and continue to build the basketball program into a powerhouse. Instead, he bolted for the "greener" pasture of Texas A&M.

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I don't think Buzz has it in him to stay for the long haul. So I don't think he could have stayed, it's not in his abilities.

True, he did it at Marquette and here at Tech. I actually like what I am seeing with Coach Young, who is respected by many very experienced coaches in the ACC and NCAA.

You mean that guy who took us from a bottom dweller program to the Sweet Sixteen? And who is still funding two scholarship endowments here at Tech even though he's left.

Yeah. Fuck that guy, right?

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

See my comment up yours.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Bring back Bill McChain if Fuente leaves!

It'd be a shitty situation if he left, but do y'all honestly believe he's been recruiting Texas heavily (by that I mean an assistant has been recruiting Texas) because he knew that Matt Rhule was going to leave this year and he wanted to prove his local recruiting chops? Good lord. Take a deep breath.

Let's just say he does go to Baylor...what potentially could happen with the class he just signed in December? NLIs are typically kinda binding...would Tech be encouraged to allow them to go elsewhere?

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Nah, we are a wrestling school so we will just hold them all from release like we did with the Tom Brands move.

That would mean everyone speculating he started recruiting for Baylor as Tech's coach are accurate though. Shady moves from Brands and Hand caused that whole fiasco.

Who is left that could replace him?

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Moorhead is interesting. Fan base at large would not be on board given how is tenure at Miss St went, but I would be. Other option is to poach someone from another school. Willie Fritz, Coach Ken from Navy, Tony Elloitt at Clemson, Shane Beamer, etc.... Not saying I approve of all (or even any) of these coaches, but they're 4 names that popped into my head.

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Moorhead was just hired to be the Oregon OC

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Kind of like that time Diaz was just hired to be Temple's HC? If Moorhead wants to be an HC he would take the job. He has connections to the region from his time at PSU and Fordham.

But who knows... this might be a non-issue if Fuente stays.

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I have zero desire to do anything similar to what Miami has with Diaz

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Also the whole not disciplining a player that punches your QB and breaks his jaw is a red flag.

Didn't he crack the guys eye socket??

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Hiring coach Ken would cause some fans to exhibit the same symptoms as an organ transplant rejection.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Godfrey always says that coach Ken wouldn't run the triple option elsewhere; he does it because he has to at Navy. It would be interesting to see what he would do elsewhere.

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I dont know much about the guy, but you get a leg for the description of fans reaction

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

My comment was entirely based on him being a triple option coach.

He may run a different system if he leaves Navy, but he's always been a triple option coach unless he ran something else for the two years he was at UNLV.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

The Moorehead situation didn't sound so hot. I hope it's not him.

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Luke Fickell.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Fickell loves Cincinnati. I don't see him leaving B10 country.

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That Frank Beamer guy isn't doing anything these days.

We put the K in Kwality

You know-it's been done....Bill Snyder says hello

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Mack Brown too

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I hope he's leveraging Tech for more money for assistant pool and analysts โ€” more of a financial commitment.

Hopefully. The timing on this thing stinks. The pool is very limited.

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He'll name the boat he gets from this pay raise "Passing Game Coordinator". Does that count?

Makes VT look bad in the process and probably does more hurt than good. Even if he comes back, everyone will just say he has 1 foot out the door. The timing sucks, but he's kind of forcing our hand to get rid of him. As much as some people on this board love him, do you really want a lame duck head coach? Buzz 2.0?

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I don't know about that. It's an opportunity for VT to show they are committed to winning at football. An opportunity to engage the fanbase for money.

Hope you're right

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I hope he politely declines Baylor and gets back to work. If we have money for those other things and not already giving it to him, shame on Whit

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I may be a secret prophet or something. I even nailed the "I'd rather be working" line.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

But would he make this move for that reason when all of the coaching hires appear to be cheap and affordable, plus the recouped money from Bud's contract?

Slept on it, I dont understand. If you have to threaten to leave to get more money then something is broken. It's not like Whit is just not using his budget and has a vault of money that he dives into scrooge mcduck style. As said above that this might be a ploy against donors, but if Whit and Fuente arent on the same page that is an issue. Frank almost left because a shitty AD wasnt on the same page as Frank. I don't think Whit is a shitty AD.

Now I have no idea if this is true and I will wait to see what happens (or doesnt).

However, Baylor?!?!?! If I had two daughters that is the last school I'd be listening too they have major issues that are school wide. Not a place I'd want my daughters hanging around.

I made a power play once for more money. It worked out for me financially, but my boss was honest with me: Had he known I interviewed elsewhere the week before, I'd have been fired. Not all ADs, leaders, bosses, etc, are alike. Whit could have easily shown Fuente the door last year. Employees tread a very fine line with the process, but Fuente is looking out for Fuente, as I was looking out for myself. Meaning, Fuente could very well be leaving

I will add that we shouldn't need to pull a ploy with donors. We have some deep pockets (not a lot, but we have them), and they are more than happy to shell out for the football program.

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I'm confused, you interviewed somewhere and got an offer, but then you showed that offer to your boss that gave you a raise to keep you, but if you didnt have the offer and he found out he would have fired you? That's messed up in my mind. Basically its saying you only have worth to the company because someone else wants you.

Good for you for playing their game and coming out on top, but wow that company/boss sounds really insecure. Not a place I'd like to work.

If you have to threaten to leave to get more money then something is broken. It's not like Whit is just not using his budget and has a vault of money that he dives into scrooge mcduck style.

Probably not a vault, but definitely a budget. For example - Fuente might want Whit to move money set aside for a non-rev sport, or from a facility upgrade or something else towards staffing. I'm not sure if this is true, but I'm just providing a hypothetical example.

Or, Fuente might just want to move back to Texas.

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This article from the Roanoke Times says that his buyout (were he to leave) is only $1million. So like change in the couch cushions.

Neat.

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You know, as good a job as Whit has done in many aspects at VT, that Fuente extension is garbage. The buyout is way too high for us and too little if someone poached our coach, which was actually more conceivable when it was signed because FSU among others was sniffing around him at the time.

So, the same day he gets his staff complete at VT, he's going to Baylor? I dunno

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I don't think he leaves.

He's spent the last four years putting this program exactly where he wants it, and the real payoff is over the next two years.

He also just assembled a solid staff on defense.

I like that other programs are interested, but I don't think he goes anywhere.

Or, and stick with me here, he's been plotting this from the beginning. He saw the glimmers of potential at VT, wanted to make sure that when he did move to Baylor, we weren't going to be competitive. Corn has been a long term Manchurian candidate style plant.

Need more proof? "Fuente: coach of Baylor Bears" anagrams to "Bacchanal Before Foster You". It's as clear as day.

What if he takes Corny with him?

$1m to us AND he takes Corny with him....ok, I'm listening...

"I don't think he leaves"

Then why on God's green earth would he accept an interview at Baylor? He's thinking about it.

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a source of a source of a source says he's interviewing... can't take twitter as gospel

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It's on the front page of ESPN's NCAAF stories, for what it's worth.

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You've never heard the advice to take essentially every interview that comes your way? I've heard that before, good practice for interviewing, can be used to ask for a raise at your current workplace, and who knows, maybe a better opportunity will come along. 2 of those 3 don't involve a person leaving.

Baylor covered up several rapes and was a rougue program openly. Their old coach can't find decent work because of the shit show he ran there. 3 years later Matt Rhule has them in the Sugar Bowl. Baylor, unlike VT doesn't need a moon landing and aliens to arrive to re-stock their roster with good players like VT does apparently. The VT roster returning is the least of Fuente's concerns.

Baylor, unlike VT doesn't need a moon landing and aliens to arrive to re-stock their roster with good players like VT does

lmao this is golden

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I wonder if this has any connection to the deleted Tony Grimes tweet about coaching changes changing things on Twitter.....hmmm

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Wow...imagine losing two highly paid coaches to schools in Texas in less than 9 months

#VT2Texas

Interviewing is different from leaving. How many times have we heard about a coach being referred by another coach? Maybe he'll just refer someone else.

Fuente does really seem to like the family atmosphere at Tech and it does seem like he's building something. I hope he stays, but if he leaves, all you guys that dislike Cornelson will get your wish and I'm sure he'll be gone too. Also Vance Vice. And Shibest.

Agreed, it's not a done deal, but it's significant.

True. Not a done deal, and definitely significant.

But maybe some people who have been wishing for this will start to understand the actual implications of it. It's not easy to find a decent coach and give them the time required to rebuild a program.

I think Fuente has done a decent job of it so far, and I would really like him (and us) to see it through.

I can't imagine he wants to start over right now. And I bet most of us are thinking that VT is better off if he stays at this point.

But maybe some people who have been wishing for this will start to understand the actual implications of it. It's not easy to find a decent coach and give them the time required to rebuild a program.

THIS. Timing will make this difficult and/or expensive.

I think Fuente has done a decent job of it so far, and I would really like him (and us) to see it through.

+1

I can't imagine he wants to start over right now. And I bet most of us are thinking that VT is better off if he stays at this point.

I'm hoping that Fuente will be somehow dissuaded by the fact that the Baylor offense will require a big scheme change in order for him to implement his system, but tbh Fuente seems to like rebuilds. He stripped down and rebuilt (for lack of a better term) Memphis and VT. Baylor might be next.

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It's only significant if it is confirmed to be true that he interviewed. Leading candidate thing means nothing, I'm sure he IS the leading candidate on some Baylor whiteboard.

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It's significant because it's out there. Fuente flirted elsewhere to get his contract he has now, but those dalliances were scantly reported. This really seems like Fuente/agent wanted it out there.

What is the reaction if Fuente gets another extension/raise out of this? With the exception of year one, I don't think it's a stretch to say he has not met expectations overall. Seems like a bold strategy to play hardball now.

I don't think Babcock will go for that

If Fuente does this to pocket more money for himself, it's a really, really bad look, especially given the timing.

i have no sources of course...but i can pretty much guarantee Fuente isn't trying to get more money for himself. he's not that kind of guy. that's a move that would be made by kiffin, petrino, freeze...Fuente isn't anywhere near their level of sleaze.

He did it after the 2017 season.

Personally I think he needs at least another if not 2 more Coastal crowns before I'm OK with giving him more money...

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

Also Vance Vice. And Shibest.

And potentially any other assistant coach that Fuente's replacement didn't want to retain

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I was only referring to the ones he brought with him, who presumably would also leave with him. But you're absolutely right that everybody would potentially be on the chopping block.

This kind of reminds me when 20+ years ago Frank Beamer interviewed with UNC and everyone was certain he was gone...let's sleep on this and see how this plays out. It's definitely a WTF kind of deal, though.

Beamer had leverage because he had just played in the BCS Title game.

Fuente has.... Ummm.... Uhhh... Yeah I got nothing

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It has been proven over time that you can win at VT.

In the past coaches would win and take off to another school.

Frank was the only one to stay for an extremely long period of time and it was a great look for the program.

I just don't want to see us turn into a rotating door again. Stability is a good thing.

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Some folks better be ready to take their medicine if this goes down, especially this late in the carousel.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Sincerely think it would set us back to a bottom half ACC team for at least the next 4 years

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Bottom half acc team

That would make us a division 3 football team

We're already pretty much a bottom half acc team.... So...

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Lol, I was about to say, in a conference that averaged 7 wins per team this year, we are pretty close to that anyway. 8-5 but three of the wins were battles to the end with ODU, Rhode Island, and Furman.

We're almost won the coastal so.. no? Not yet.

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Lol the coastal is the worst division in the P5. There's probably a few divisions in the G5 that are better. And we didn't win the coastal. And we lost two some teams from the coastal, including uva which hasn't been relevant for 20 years. We're, like I said, pretty much in the bottom half already. Not quite, sure, but close to it. And even if we were king of the coastal we'd still be the best team in the worst division. So that's not much to brag about. We're not a very good team right now. Could it get worse? Yeah, absolutely. But I trust Whit to work his magic and bring in a decent coach who could at the very least tread water. With any luck, he'll find someone to take us back up a notch or two

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I don't care how bad the ACC/coastal are. My post was only ever looking within that box

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Are we even sure he's interviewing yet? The tweet says Baylor is "planning an in person interview". What if this is nothing?

Figured I'd throw this in here...

Fuente was definitely shredding the gnar in Beaver Creek, Colorado on Jan 3rd. 800% confirmed.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

There is no gnar in Beaver Creek, unless I went to the wrong Beaver Creek. If "gnar" is a double black groomer, then OK

I lived and worked there for a ski season, there is definitely some serious gnar and buttery pow pow on the mow mow at the Beav. Not nearly as much as Vail, but some good hidden back country

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I am trying to decide if these are drugs I ever did?

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definitely some serious gnar and buttery pow pow on the mow mow at the Beav.

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Unless the first "in Waco" refers to recruiting on a previous trip (remember #TX2VT), and the "first time he's in Waco" just refers to being at the university.

I was told by a person that I trust that he was in Waco last week to interview. I wasn't able to get a second source to officially post it, but with this news coming out tonight, I believe he was there last week.

He's just looking for a Branch Davidian to recruit. Apparently at one time they were pretty hot.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

If you play it, they will win.

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The Army vet calls out the Navy vet. Do we have a jarhead who wants to come in and make a nuclear inappropriate gay joke?

Just to clarify, I wasn't calling Egbert out, and I fully support his inappropriate humor. As a vet, inappropriate humor is a basic issue item.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I know. It was all meant TIC.

I know. Just throwing that out there.

If you play it, they will win.

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Huh, I hadn't considered that angle.
I was referring to when they burned down the compound.

Still wildly inappropriate though.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I distracted them with snacks.

Did you know crayons still makes the boxes with 128 different colors?

This is going to be great for the ACC.

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With a Dustbuster!!

...or hookers and cocaine, that works too

Hello offseason my old friend.

This seems appropriate

So Fuente must have only been committed 800% to the University of Virginia Tech?

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Apparently he's put his name in the transfer portal.

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He was passed on the depth chart for losing to UVA

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Maybe VT should give Fuente the Tahj Capehart treatment.

Whit didn't say hi to Fuente's mom.

Unbelievable. Just when I thought we were heading into a dead period and I would have to find other things to keep me entertained at work.

I have no sauces more so common sense.... but the fact the Baylor opening has been open for a little bit and this is the first leak and it came on this strong....I feel like it has to be as close to a done deal as possible. Let's remember how quiet Whits coaching searches have been....this had to be leaked on the Baylor side.

Also, if he takes the job.....you can put him on the lane kiffin list in my eyes.

What's the Lane Kiffin list?

I'd assume coaches to hate/detest/treat similarly to a dirty diaper.

Correct. Not respected, a clown. Doesn't understand how to read the temp of a situation.

The situations are pretty similar though. Kiffin left to go back to USC because it's his home, Fuente going back to Texas is closer to home as well. I've always thought Fuente was a Big 12 guy, and if there was an opening he would take it. The timing absolutely sucks, but this is how college football works now.

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I don't believe any of this. Imagine the wave of these 'reports' coming in from social media if he gets 10 wins with us next season

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That's definitely not awesome. Stewart is definitely plugged in, and he likes to do the "I've heard things, but I'm not going to talk about them" thing. The fact that he's talking about it openly says something.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

Based on everything I have seen Will Stewart say, this is sounding like a done deal

For someone like Will, this is pretty much confirmation it's all but done. He's very very much in the know, but keeps his mouth shut for the most part.

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Yeah... When Will posted this I knew it was pretty serious.

Is it basketball season yet?

this is sounding like a done deal

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I mean, it's two separate reporters, potentially with independent sources. Skutt apparently heard about it too. We're at the very least past this just being noise.

this legit worries me. up until now, i wasn't too concerned. but i don't think patterson would try to hire someone from VT unless he knew fuente was leaving.

I read that second part way too fast and thought for a second Gary Patterson was interested in coaching VT. Awkward. I'm going to go back to sulking again.

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I hope he's not telling his players he's staying and then he goes....I'm all for bettering your life, but you don't have to be a peckerhead in the process by lying and then saying "I couldn't say anything"

+1 for use of the word peckerhead

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You mean the termination block?

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The older MVs would absolutely agree.

talked to tre last night around 10:30 at that time...

"hadn't heard nothing yet, if something pops ill hit ya" he said "I don't think coach leaves but hey everyone gotta price"

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Boy how much more whacked out can Hokie football get? No don't tell me. I don't want to know.

So Baylor wants Fuente... that doesn't mean anything. Lots more teams will want Fuente and there will be more of these "news" reports for more teams in the future

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lol that doesn't mean he needs to go interview.

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I agree... and I don't think he is interviewing. Like I've said on my 3 other posts on this thread the interview news is a source of a source of a source.

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You would think if people are making things up about him that make him and his reputation look bad, he would publicly refute them.

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1. It's 9pm on a Tuesday
2. It's coming from an unnamed twitter source of a source
3. I don't think he's scanning twitter constantly to see what twitter battles he needs to refute

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It's coming from an unnamed twitter source of a source

A reputable media outlet has 'multiple sources' saying that Baylor is "planning an in person interview in next 24 hours" with Fuente. That's not a source of a source - that's a reputable outlet with multiple sources. Doesn't mean he's going to leave VT, but it means there's an interview scheduled tomorrow.

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It means they believe Baylor is planning an interview for him tomorrow.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I assume it means Fuente has agreed to go interview. I suppose it's possible that Baylor is planning to interview Fuente, but Fuente is not planning on going, but I think that's unlikely, and that we can assume Fuente is also planning to interview.

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planning an in person interview in next 24 hours

I don't know what kind of legs this thing has but that quote is only about what Baylor wants and is planning.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Yea, I realize that. But typically when companies 'plan' to interview me, they let me know, and receive some sort of confirmation from that I too 'plan' to be there.

Perhaps college football is different though. Maybe they just broadcast their intentions on twitter and hope for the best.

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You put your name in the transfer portal when you take an interview. You don't want to be a Hokie....hit the bricks dude.
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This sounds like the BC Jeff Jagazinzki approach that really didnt work out well for BC.

I know this is coming a lot from last year but Fuente talked to the guys in the portal that wanted to talk and Hooker and McClease came back. So it's not like he just shut them out once they were in the portal.

Not saying I would handle it this way, but it's not like he just forgot they existed once their name was I the portal.

This sounds like the BC Jeff Jagazinzki approach that really didnt work out well for BC.

IIRC, it went something like this:

AD: "Jeff, you cannot interview with any NFL team, not even to send a peep to them."

Jeff to Jets: Peep.

AD: "ARRGH, I TOLD YOU WHAT I SAID AND YOU ARE FIRED!"

Yeah, didn't work out too well, but hey, VT at least got to beat BC like rented mule for a while.

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I think if you remove NFL you'd be correct. I thought BC said if he talked to anyone they'd fire him.

P.S. Who risks their job for the Jets?

This is exactly my thought. This man can't say SHIT when a committed recruit wants to still visit other schools now if it's true.

HH put his name in the transfer portal and came back. No one accused him of not wanting to be a Hokie.

Also, people need to understand that this is a job for Fuente, he doesn't have the same emotional connection with VT that fans do. And that's okay.

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Fuente's connection to va tech is a paycheck he hasn't been earning. If he wants more, then bye Felicia

Maybe he wants more for his current staff and/or to expand his staff?

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Agree with you here but I think there are a few things that make this hurt from our perspective.

1) Our last coach was as committed and emotionally connected with this program as any could be. We were spoiled, yes, but I think Beamer instilled that family feel around this program and a common criticism of Fuente has been his inability to connect to this fan base in the same way.

2) We all just watched the NCG last night in which both coaches are among the most emotionally connected coaches to their respective universities in the country. That stuff matters in recruiting and in building a program.

3) We just went through this with a basketball coach not even a year ago. Although I think we are all happy with Mike Young, the sting of Buzz leaving is still there.

Fuente is well within his rights to interview elsewhere and take another job if he so desires. That doesn't mean we can't be upset with him for doing it.

  1. I hear ya, but I don't think that's the norm in college football anymore. Our fan base needs to learn that the times have changed.
  2. Coach O is basically Cajun Frank Beamer. Both grew up nearby their schools. I just don't know who you're going to find like that. Also, I kind of disagree with the Dabo thing. I think he loves his coworkers and the kids who play for him, I'm not sure how much emotional connection he had to Clemson before working (and eventually winning) there. He was without a job for 3 years between coaching at Bama and taking the same position at Clemson. I think he probably would've coached anywhere who gave him a job. Coach O on the other hand... LSU has always been his dream job. Saban, Jimbo, Les, Gus, Urban and others have all been successful without the emotional attachment to their employer. I think it's possible.
  3. People are happy with CMY NOW (after that Mich St win), but a lot of people were underwhelmed at the hire initially.

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I couldn't care less what the norm is. Frank Beamer and Bud Foster gave this program an identity and a brand. The Lunch Pail, Beamer Ball, Sacksburg, DBU, all those things came from having a finger on the pulse of what makes this fanbase tick. Fuente is more the norm. What is our identity under Fuente? What can we sell and brand ourselves with to recruits?

I don't think it's reasonable to hire the next Coach O or Frank Beamer. But you can hire someone who values and embraces the VT culture more than Fuente has. You can hire someone who knows how to sell a brand and engage a fanbase.

Agree to disagree on Dabo. I understand Clemson isn't his home but the #AllIn movement in their fan base has been all his doing. They will pass on 5-star recruits if their personalities don't match up to what Dabo wants. He as instilled a culture at Clemson that is unique to them.

Frank Beamer and Bud Foster gave this program an identity and a brand.

For me, that's why I'd rather have a Brent Venables type than a G5 coach. Go find the brightest defensive mind in college football and bring him to Blacksburg.

Fair.

Selling your brand to recruits and engaging the fan base is different than finding someone who is emotionally attached to the university. I agree that Fuente has room for improvement in these areas, but I don't think he needs to develop an emotional attachment to be successful (see Gus, Jimbo, Urban, Saban, Les, etc)

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PJ Fleck most certainly sells his brand and has really strong carnival barker vibes above and beyond the normal barker vibes you get from college coaches. He's also managed to engage WMU and Minnesota. It can be done by an outsider, it just takes effort.

Yep, Fleck proves the point - he has not emotional attachment to the school but still manages to sell his brand. Football fans need to stop looking for someone who wants to be a Hokie for life. It would have to be a former player, and I just don't see any former players who are ready for a head coaching job (except maybe Shane, who I don't want as HC for other reasons).

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Also, I kind of disagree with the Dabo thing. I think he loves his coworkers and the kids who play for him, I'm not sure how much emotional connection he had to Clemson before working (and eventually winning) there.

I didn't have an emotional connection to my wife before I met her, but that hasn't kept me from staying married to her since I committed. You don't have to grow up with people/things to love them.

But then I do switch jobs every 18-36 months, often for the money, so I kinda get it with college coaches.

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It's his team. He should have an emotional connection to and take personal pride in which ever school he is the head coach of.

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so you feel that way about Herndon, mclease, bede, any other guys that chose to come back? just curious.

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When an athlete puts their name in the transfer portal they're figuring out the next step. We need to be supportive of those kids - obviously no one on this site is more supportive than you! If a kid needs to transfer closer to home...or sees an opportunity elsewhere - go forth! We want the best for all these young men. That's what sport is all about - learning life lessons and building character in an environment that's best for each individual. Maybe my comment above was misleading...and a knee jerk reaction. Thanks for keeping it real 904.
If Fu thinks the Baylor job would be a better fit for his family and provide greater opportunities for those he cares most about...then he should make the move.

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hey trust me NOOOO one is going to be more upset if fu jumps ship than me. maybe he didn't purposely lie to the kids because things change and at the time that wasn't his intention and he spoke what he thought was facts at the time, but man does it rub me the wrong way. makes me sick to my stomach thinking about the kids, and In some part i feel partially responsible because I trusted Fuente to take care of them for me.

i wasn't trying to come down on you. I'm trying to stay level headed and understanding that Fuente has to do whats best for his family, my HOPE would be though that he considers the kids he's been coaching, recruited, the friends he's made in Blacksburg, his fellow employees and whoever else is also his FAMILY. Ive been in his shoes (obviously not the magnitude) and its an incredibly hard decision, i hope at the end of the day the kind of man he is matters to him more than the money in his bank account. ive been told since a young age that where you are doesn't matter so much as to who you are. your problems will follow you, you cant run from them. i hope he understands that Waco wont save him from himself. hes started to build something here and he should see it through. (sadly when saying this Memphis keeps popping in my head and he would basically be doing to us what he did for us not 4 years ago)

I'm trying to just let all the chips fall before i judge to much or swing to much emotionally one way or the other but i hope at the end of the day he remains a hokie. he hasn't had it easy since hes joined VT but i believe that makes it all the more worth it to keep working at it.

loyalty is a funny word man. over loyal to corny, under loyal to the kids, over loyal to his stance on media, under loyal to his stance on commitment. only time will tell. sigh.

sorry if it seemed like i was coming at you. wasn't my intention.

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loyalty is a funny word man. over loyal to corny, under loyal to the kids, over loyal to his stance on media, under loyal to his stance on commitment. only time will tell. sigh.

I understand where you're coming from, but isn't this kind of how every fanbase feels whenever a coach leaves for another job? It's not like any of them stop recruiting a year before they leave because they don't want to leave kids they just convinced to come to their school

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

im 100% (except Fuente literally all but forces his recruits to sign on early signing day and most coaches move jobs between dec 1- jan 31st being the latest) sure you are correct every fan base feels that way. hence why i ended with what i said about Memphis.

he made the kids sign their LOI and now they are stuck. i don't mind recruiting till you are gone (we just offered a 757 recruit today) but once you sign your LOI you are no longer a recruit. your locked in. all you can do is enter the portal and lose a year or pray the school releases you of your LOI.

i know im to close to the situation as it is. to emotionally invested. so my rationality might be a little off.

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he made the kids sign their LOI and now they are stuck. i don't mind recruiting till you are gone (we just offered a 757 recruit today) but once you sign your LOI you are no longer a recruit. your locked in. all you can do is enter the portal and lose a year or pray the school releases you of your LOI.

If the Beamer years are any indication, I'd like to think VT would release your guys out of their LOI.

The problem is I don't think there are ton of good alternatives at this point, most everyone else's classes are locked up.

(sadly when saying this Memphis keeps popping in my head and he would basically be doing to us what he did for us not 4 years ago)

He built Memphis up. He came in, and made that program what it is today. He left it in a position in which it could continue to flourish. Memphis is not playing in an NY6 bowl if not for Fuente. His work at VT is incomplete at best, and his seemingly eminent exit is poorly timed (regardless of the timing being out of his control). These two exits are completely different.

For now, I have no ill will against Fuente, but we'll see how this turns out... if he knowingly misled recruits and/or Whit, I'll be disappointed.

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Let's just hope he's not a huge fan of shiplap or it's a done deal.

I'm a big Fu fan, so this could be bad news. But Whitt has made good hires and Tech head coach would be a very appealing opportunity with the talent we have returning.

Side note: shocked at how quickly like 100 TKP'ers got on here and commented during the off-season.

Well he is kind of screwing Whit on this one.

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Can someone please interpret this for me?

What did he call earlier? Fuente leaving? Fans over reacting?

Is he saying Fuente is toxic shit... twitter speculation is toxic shit... VT in general is toxic shit...

I don't twitter.

He's 100% quoting CJF.....saying he is telling the players to not believe anything they see and he will be truthful and tell them everything.....in turn he his saying CJF is a liar and toxic to the program.

That's how I'm reading it.

Maybe, but I'm also going off the tweets from Silas Danzsi and Tre Turner who seem like it's fake news, or to not buy into it.

From their tweets, it sounds like Fuente has reassured them he isn't going anywhere. Hopefully that's true.

Unfortunately, this seems like the interpretation that makes the most sense.

He's also not currently with the team, so it is possible that he doesn't know what Fuente has told Virginia Tech Hokie football players

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

He's also posted this a little over a week ago, so it sounds like he's pretty bitter towards the coaching staff:

Fuente DID let the RB coach go. Working hard in practice doesn't guarantee in-game results. We probably won't ever know what really happened, sorry he's bitter, but we have a lot of guys in the RB room, so hopefully Lechtenberg will make good use of it.

I would be more concerned if Bell ended up somewhere with a higher pedigree than Virginia Union. Essentially none of the players who have left during Fuente's tenure have had success elsewhere, despite most ending up at lower level schools AND the ones who badmouthed the program on the way out have probably performed the worst. For those reasons I have tended to give Fuente the benefit of the doubt thus far. I am concerned that Fuente may never be able to completely move past the toxicity that consumed the locker room in 2018 as long as he remains at VT.

Also I noticed this interesting interaction on that tweet.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I think he's saying don't believe everything you read on the internet (wait, what, stuff on the internet isn't true???), and if so, he'll sell us a bridge in the Sahara (I think the "I'll tell you everything" is him trying to say that if you believe everything, he'll tell you a lie because you'll believe it), and that people believing whatever they read on twitter and going crazy over it is toxic.

He's pushing for GOAT status before enrolling

Not sure how to embed tweets (would love for someone to explain), but this is some great news out of all of this

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Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Can someone translate this into English? I'm so confused........

If Fuente goes well lose Damatrious. Damatrious "Nope, committed to VT"

Roughly speaking

Someone said Fuente leaving would cost us DD, he says no.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I love this kid

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Twitter is a blessing and a curse...

People on this website really struggle with folks and their sources. We instantly shut it down unless we like the way it sounds. Everyone saying why is he completing his staff if he's interested. The guy is not stupid. He can't quit working here. Folks just in denial.

The timing would suck. I would prefer us to bring in an offensive guy that is willing to keep the staff we just put together on board. But that seems unlikely.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I've mulled this over, discussed it with my family.

If offered, I will not accept the HC position at Baylor.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Can I start the V2 for coach thread now? I like him. Can he coach the whole team, outside if the O-Line?

I don't know, but Dabo was a special teams coordinator, and has played in 4 playoffs.

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No.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Mike Leach and Lane Kiffin are now off the table. That hurt. Those are some good coaches that'd fit right in, and win.

Emphasis on WIN.

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There's always the guy we post gifs of a kid wigging out about.

Cue our fireman type.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

That's a no for me dawg...

I don't ever want either of them near VT.

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Fuente does not get another extension after the last one. He has to earn the next one, and frankly he hasn't done so yet. Whit can't fall for this crap again. If he wants the Baylor job, take it. Not ideal timing and sucks to upset the apple cart this late in the game, but I'm not exactly devastated to be honest.

That tweet from Ferraro is savage.

But also very accurate

Kinda ignores the scenario where he interviews but decides to stay at VT but let's certainly not let things play out before making overly dramatic statements and jumping to conclusions.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Clark at UAB has to be an option, some old school football, with stingy defenses. Put some bite back into this team.

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Sup Tony Elliot?

Gobble Till You Wobble

Okay, okay, I'm going to finish this bourbon on a work night. Y'all can yip and Yap, but Wild Turkey won't complain to me about this. It'll all be over soon.

No, fuck that, give me Like Fickell or Josh Heupel.

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No, fuck that, give me Like Fickell or Josh Heupel.

Let's just go for one of the young coaches who became a hot name over the past year or so. Oh, he has NFL experience, too.

Kellen Moore, OC of the Dallas Cowboys

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I mean... he owes us, right?

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Meh. I'm kinda indifferent whether he stays or goes. I personally think he's way underperformed, especially considering his billing coming in. I hope that, if he stays, he's finally able to put it all together next year. But I doubt he can so if he's gone I don't actually see it as a devastating loss. Timing sucks, sure, but Whit can work some magic and with all the talent and experience we have coming back a decent coach could get us to a bowl game with our schedule. I think Baylor might be making a mistake though. We'll see, I guess

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I think for next season it would potentially be debilitating to the team, but I agree that the book is still out on Fuente as HC. 2020 is/was really setup to be the put up or shut up year and if the team underperforms, likely a large proportion of the fanbase would be ready to move on anyway.

The timing would be rough to try to maintain/put together a Staff, the situation would be a giant slap in the face to VT as a whole.

I'm reading through this thread and y'all are making me crack up. Thanks for the entertaining read. Good night. Will check in the morning.

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We announced a coaching hire THIS AFTERNOON. I'm either reassured by that or prepared to completely change my mind about Coach Fuente.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

That's why I don't believe this rumor at all. Either this is all a bunch of nonsense or Fuente is about to become the most hated coach since Bobby Petrino. I just can't see him screwing over all of the coaches he JUST hired.

Thought about this some more. The worst part about this if he does leave is that I will hate him and then we will ask a coach to do the exact same thing to his team to come coach here.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

This is a great point!

Maybe we will get Barry Odom after all

/s

Is Justin Fuente capable of leading this program to a National Championship or even ACC championships? If the answer is anything other than YES, who really gives a damn whether he stays or goes.

Well since you put it that way, Yes.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Fuente got that shiplap all over the inside of his house. He's getting that Gaines money

I'm trying to wrap my head around this and be reasonable. Maybe he is using this as leverage to get more investment in the program from Whit. But even if that's so, this is a bold move when a significant portion of the fan base is already annoyed with you.

If he's one foot out the door coming into a season with the most experienced roster he's had in his time here and after a fairly average season, why should I have any faith that he stays and builds on any success he may have after next year?

Who knows what happens here. I've never been fully sold on Fuente. I'd rather him be our coach next year than the alternative and I can accept that there are better jobs out there than VT. But if Baylor seems like a better opportunity to you than VT at this moment, then please take that job and let us find someone who wants to be here and isn't just using this job for a stepping stone to a lateral job in their neck of the woods.

This is where I am. The fact it's even out there is so bad it almost means he has to go. His seat is already getting a little warm, we sputtered with the schedule we had this year, Fowler and Herbie were already on record telling VT fans they felt sorry for them for the way the football team was performing. We got smoked by Duke, lost the streak to UVa, are a year removed from losing to ODU.

This is not the time to get your name floated out there for other jobs. This kind of rumor with this kind of timing after this kind of season makes for an extremely rough relationship with the fanbase, and especially the boosters. To the point where he would have to win the Coastal, be nationally relevant, and possibly need to win the conference to not be run out of town on a pile next winter.

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Counterpoint - it's not that bad

It's not good enough to start swinging your dick around and demanding an extension.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Who says that's happening? I don't think Babcock would cave to that. I personally think he's trying to reset his clock and Baylor is a good spot for Fuente.

Exactly. I think it is more of find a new job now on his own terms rather than potentially be fired at this time next year. He's still young and will have 3-4 more years as an up and coming guy.

Well the alternative means hes ready to abandon ship. So that's not much better haha.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I haven't heard any demands.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Come on. We are dealing with two possible scenarios as to why Fuente's name is attached to the Baylor job.

1) he wants the Baylor job. This is a shitty position to be in.

2) he thinks an eight win season is worth warranting a raise and more money. This is also a shitty position because we are already balls deep in this coach financially and it's too late to lose him.

Neither of those are a scenario I want this program to be in. No you haven't heard any demands. None of us have. We are speculating. This is not hard to understand.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Recall that time Beamer was ready to take the staff with him to UNC? It wasn't about him, it was about getting his assistants better pay.

3) He's leveraging for more money for assistants/analysts.

Not that 1 or 2 isn't possible. But there is at least one option here that is a net postive.

If Fuente needs to leverage for more money in the assistant's pool then that means there's a problem at the AD level, thus negating your "net positive"

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Even moreso when you consider that everyone is going to use this as ammo when recruiting against you.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Or the donor level. It's possible that donors won't be willing to part with their money unless they absolutely have to. Hell, Whit could be in on this, perpetuating the message to donors to get more money (okay, probably not, but it might not be only a Whit issue).

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We are dealing with the internet, Twitter, fanatic message board, and human emotion. And you think there are only two possible scenarios?

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Are you implying that you think the multiple national sources as well as multiple local sources are wrong?

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

You are a hyper-reactionary person aren't you. I mean you have already made up your mind how this affects VT Football for the next 10 years and the rest of us are just waiting for a solid bit of news.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

His seat is already getting a little warm...

That's because it's still smoldering after the fire was somehow extinguished after the Duke game.... His seat has fluctuated from warm to en fuego for the last 2 years, and I honestly believe the only reason a change wasn't made last year was the buyout.

Right, I'm sure winning 10 games and going to the ACCCG game his first year then winning 9 games the next had NOTHING to do with it.

I keep hearing how Josh McDaniels really REALLY wants to interview for a head coaching position....

big if true

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

So...Justin Hamilton as the new head coach?

If he leaves, I'm all for Shane Beamer in a Dabo type role... bring in someone with knowledge of that Lincoln Riley offense. I would guess Shane knows JHam so the defense could be pretty set.

Also, this is why we're a basketball school now.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Beat me by 33 seconds. Happy to drink.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

if we're really going to go that route, go Todd Grantham at HC, keep Hammer at DC and bring Shane in as OC.

Do you think Shane would be a good OC? For whatever reason, I just think of him as more of a team manager than a technician. I don't know why I think this, just a hunch.

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Not really. I'm just not really in the Shame Beamer camp. I don't see how getting a guy ODU passed on would be a win for us.

People would freak out on this board if a non-Hokie with Shane Beamer's resume became our head coach.

I'm all for Shane Beamer in a Dabo type role

Here's the thing about that... If you want to do the Dabo/Coach O model, you have to pay for top of the line coordinators and position coaches (not to mention support staff).

This was what VT's staff was making in 2019:

This was Clemson's staff:

This was LSU's staff:

In 2019, we had 7 coaches being paid less that the lowest paid coach on Clemson's staff, and three coaches being paid less than the lowest paid coach on LSU's staff. The only way we can pull off the 'Dabo model' is if we hire a bunch of up-and-comers (like we just did on defense) and get lucky.

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Good info and valid points. I guess my idea of copying Clemson's IPTAY as the model for the Hokie Club better get implemented pretty quickly...

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Todd Bates as the 2nd lowest paid assistant at Clemson is criminal.

Why in the world are we paying James Shibest almost $450k. Have not been impressed with the job he has done at all. Kicking game has been dreadful and our KO return unit has been truly painful to watch over 4 years.

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

What? Bradburn was a finalist for the Ray Guy, Brian Johnson was automatic from within 40, has never missed an extra point, and improved his 40+ accuracy over the last two seasons. 48 TB last year, an avg of 18 yards given up on kickoff returns for no TDs. 20 yards per when we return. I guess that number isn't stellar, but when you're only returning ~2 kicks a game, not sure why that would be the stat you use to define the job he's been doing.

I thought we were a wrasslin' school now?

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

If he is really gone, I think it's time to give Junior the keys.

I was adamantly against Shane for HC when Frank retired. I still think he was the wrong choice at the time. But he has crushed it everywhere he has been since leaving Blacksburg. I think he's ready and willing to take the reins.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

The problem is... he didn't really crush it in Blacksburg.

And your point is...? He's done well since. You're telling me you don't want someone that has proven their ability to get better as a coach?

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

It's hard enough to replace a legend. Replacing the replacement with the legend's son just doesn't feel like the smart move and can only lead to disappointment and hurt feelings.

Shane has never even been a head coach anywhere. I'd like to see him get his feet wet in the G5 for awhile.

Shane interviewed for the ODU job and they passed.

I'm a little stunned people want ODU's sloppy seconds.

Supposedly he rubbed some people the wrong way when recruiting, the high school coaches didn't care for him, and he had a bit of an entitled attitude during his time at Blacksburg. If true, might not be the best hire for us.

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He has 100% winning percentage has Head Coach, not sure how that wasnt crushing it.

I've been supportive of this idea. But with this short of notice and at this point after the season, if Fu leaves and we are out of the buyout, I call Urban Meyer and see what it would take to get him for a few years. Put all the chips on the table.

You're not wrong and this is the kind of hire that will get us to where we want to be quickly

But you'll have to accept you're selling out your morals to do it. He's basically the anti-Beamer in doing things the right way

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We don't have nearly enough $$$ to get Urban Meyer here.

He's not coming anywhere long term, we could probably offer him more than Fuente for a relatively short-term contract, VT is a far less stressful job than OSU. Proven winner at the highest level. I don't see how you don't at least kick the tires with a pretty experienced roster coming back next year.

I'd take a three year deal to get us back on a high level again

Weren't the boosters allegedly willing to front the money for the buyout after the Duke game?

I would imagine that they would be happy to put up the money to hire Urban if he is the only option.

Any money you pony up for Urban up front you'll get back 3-fold in additional revenue streams from having a team playing at the kind of level he would have one playing.

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That money you make will go to lawyers to clean up the violations he makes. Not the coach we want representing us. Quits every time the heat comes.

We put the K in Kwality

Flags fly forever though. Deal with the cops later.

*Houston Astros have entered the chat*

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Yeah but look what they did when he quit. Still pretty damn good.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I hate to be that guy but this is the most delusional thing I've ever read on TKP.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

It's delusional to at least reach out and see what it would take? The guy isn't currently coaching, no buyout to worry about, and we are really late in the coaching carousel cycle. Offer him a 3-4 year deal with a solid salary and see if there's interest for a proven winner. If not move on, but at least we tried.

Urban Meyer could have his pick of schools so it's not a stretch to say we'd be looking at $9+ million/year just for Meyer- and he'd require elite assistants and support staff. You're talking about doubling the entire football budget when we were told after Jerry Kill's hiring that we were able to afford him as a result of Danielle Bartelstein leaving to take another job.

In other words, we didn't have $200K to make a support staff hire 5 months ago. I don't see how it's realistic to think our athletic department can scrounge up an extra $8 million annually. Maybe we can get creative and entice him by offering Papa John's for life though.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

We're not currently bidding against anyone for his services. Who knows what the market for him is right now, it's what he would be willing to accept. He's not going to coach anywhere long term. Sure, we can't offer $9+ million a year, but VT is a hell of a lot less stress and demands than OSU was. He could have had the USC job and other opportunities but didn't take them. I don't see why it's unrealistic to at least do your due diligence and put some feelers out there for the best available people who don't have massive buyouts attached to them.

You'd be bidding against whatever FOX is paying him right now, and his current job doesn't require him to wear pants during the week.

There is a movie for that if it happens - it's called "End of Days". No way - I haven't bought into what's happening as it's so new, but I can tell you I wouldn't support Shane in any form. He is not his Dad - period.

Junior was also the one who took Wake's game plan during the WakeyLeaks thing. That doesn't instill a lot of good feelings in me about him (yeah, that was the 0-0 game we all know and love).

Agreed - and if it turns out we need new hire this year, let's get someone who will stay for 20 years....that's how you build a perennial power house. Beamer part 2.

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People need to stop living in the past. No coach is staying anywhere 20 years.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Dabo is already half way there...

I don't have to take this abuse from you, I've got hundreds of people dying to abuse me.

Halfway isn't 20 years.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Dabo is the highest paid coach in college football. I'd hold off on any comparisons to Beamer until Dabo's loyalty is realistically tested or he starts taking a "hometown discount" for Clemson.

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Or until Saban decides to retire and he has the opportunity to coach at his alma mater.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

Since coaching opportunities are largely based on contacts, it's not a bad idea to accept an interview. You can never tell who's going to end up working with you in the future.

I would feel pretty pissed if he accepts the job, though.

Click here to destroy wall.

If he leaves he leaves.

I'm with you, not going to burn the shithouse down just because Fuente does VT a favor

Yes sir and this basketball team is a hell of a lot more fun to watch than the football team last year. Things are actually trending upwards.

Actually we made the sweet 16 last season so... wouldn't we technically have to make the elite 8 for things to be "trending up" with the basketball team?

Expectations are a hell of a drug.

For the record I am very excited about what the basketball team and Coach Young have done, but a major reason everyone is so thrilled is because the expectations were extremely low. We will likely have a worse record in basketball this year than last. Meanwhile we had an improved record in football but everyone's expectations were even higher so it's still largely viewed as a "trending down."

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'd say the football team is stuck in neutral.

Well at least we now have our scapegoat reason when 2021 recruiting turns out to be pretty underwhelming.

2022 will definitely be the year recruiting takes off.

I have it on good authority that [current year plus 2] is where we will really take off.

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Rewinding to mind set 3 months ago...

Hell yeah. You take him Baylor... Halleileuia

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Yup. Half of this place wanted his head at halftime of the duke game, regardless of what it would have cost. Now we have an easy out of the contract with no buyout...

It's more manageable to fire a coach in November than have one walk out the door in January.

This is a fair point but Whit is also a fucking magician so I'm sorta okay with the possibility of Fuente walking. Fuente was a splash hire at the time. Buzz was a homerun, obviously, and Mike Young has looked better so far than anyone expected. Can't be perfect but Whit has a pretty solid track record. And that doesn't even take into account the "non revenue" sports which have done well under his direction.

So if Fuente walks I won't be surprised if Whit comes up with another miracle.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

If I were Whit I would have had a running list of my priority hires 18 months ago. If this news is real I'm certain Whit has his priority list ready.

Maybe and I certainly hope you are right. You couldn't imagine a worse time to lose your college coach minus an off season scandal or something. The "miracle degree of difficulty" is WAY higher. I'm more prepared to be underwhelmed on paper, but hopeful we could find someone who is just vested through work to win. There is real smoke here.

Absolutely no disagreement on that from me. Timing sucks here, but that inconvenience may be the price we have to pay for getting the coaching change, and at no cost, that many here wanted to see a little over 3 months ago.

It kind of amazes me that people wanted Fuente gone last year, and have been saying they're not sure about him all this year, then criticize him for maybe leaving.

You know where I wouldn't feel all that loyal to if I was a coach? The place where the fans want you gone despite winning 10 games your first season and 9 games the next. Where they clamor saying you haven't proved your ability to win despite those seasons.

I think he can do well, really well here, and has made some good hires and set us up to succeed next year, but I can't say he should owe us any loyalty after how many people wanted him gone last year.

As for me, I hope he stays, sees success and the fans get to the point where they're happy he's here.

But the fan base is also completely frustrated with being locked out of the program, frustrated with the first losing season in two plus decades, frustrated by losing to UVA, frustrated by losing to UK (me, mostly) and frustrated with an unfulfilled promise of an offense that was supposed to let a legendary DC relax a little bit.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

So you, representing the rest of the fan base, expected a new coach to come in and take over a team that had gone 7-6 the previous 2 seasons in the ACC and be able to turn everything around without having at least one bad season? I'm surprised you didn't expect him to win the Natty in year 2 and demand his head when he didn't deliver.

And yeah, nobody wants to lose to LOLUVA, but this isn't the same team that we used to beat up on. I don't remember a year in the past 16 when losing to UVA would have put them in line for winning the conference (or division).

Quite the assumption you make here. Nowhere did I say any of that. In fact, like you, I'd like to see him stay and succeed. I simply pointed out legitimate reasons for fans to be frustrated with Fuente as a head coach. Many of those reasons I stated are within his control, particularly simply being more open with the fans. Instead, he appears to be tone-deaf, leading to this divided attitude about him.

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I get the fans wanting him to be more open. Those first two seasons built a lot of credibility in my book, and seeing him address weaknesses along the way (even though he doesn't talk about them) has continued to build confidence in him as far as I'm concerned, so I don't feel as strongly about feeling the need for him to share more.

I just really think people's expectations went crazy after the first season so think it's unacceptable to have one bad season (ignoring this season because people wanted his head LAST year).

I don't remember a year in the past 16 when losing to UVA would have put them in line for winning the conference (or division).

2007 and 2011 were both winner-take-all games in the Commonwealth Cup.

I really should have looked that up. Guess I just remember us beating up on them so never I forgot they were ever in the running. Hopefully we'll win the next 15 in a row again.

You know where I wouldn't feel all that loyal to if I was a coach? The place where the fans want you gone despite winning 10 games your first season and 9 games the next. Where they clamor saying you haven't proved your ability to win despite those seasons.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on every point, but there have been just a few developments since his first two seasons.

Primarily this bullshit:

Then there was the 15 year streak thing.

I'm sure you haven't forgotten.

I get it. I really do. Last year sucked. Parts of this year have sucked. I probably wouldn't be on board withFuente as much if he hadn't been making changes/improvements along the way. People generally accept that the Kill hire was seen as Fuente accepting changes needed to be made. He pulled RW for HH. It seems like strides have been made in recruiting for 2021. We've got 19 starters coming back. The Defensive hires seem good overall to me.

If he doesn't want to be held accountable for losing to ODU and getting blown out by Duke, perhaps he should consider a different line of work.

So any coach who loses a big upset game should be immediately fired?

I don't quite understand some of you people. What exactly as a fanbase have we done to deserve Fuente's loyalty? We have proven ourselves to be every bit as mercurial as any fanbase out there. We've treated Fuente as a business asset and shown we care only about the results. Why in the world would he not treat VT in kind? Baylor is at least a lateral move in prestige, superior in pay, and probably (as pointed out above), superior in fit for Fuente. It makes sense for him to leave, and its not his fault the timing worked out the way it did (if all of this is true).

Apparently we think alike lol. I'd say, "great minds think alike" but not sure anybody on here thinks I'm a great mind.

Same. Really I'm just super salty because I've always liked Fuente, and this feels real. People wanted him gone, fine, but beggars can't be choosers.

Whatever.

We're now 4-2 in the ACC, we're a bball school now!

There's a lot going into this for me (I see both sides) but I think there's one fact that's unassailable:

Firing a beloved DL coach that's been at Virginia Tech for 24 years that didn't want to leave and then subsequently bailing on Virginia Tech is a dick move.

You assume that was 100% Fuente and JHam had nothing to do with it. That Even if JHam had wanted to keep Wiles that Fuente let him go anyway. I'm not buying that for a second. I think JHam wanted to go a different route and Fuente just did the firing/letting go.

Firing a beloved DL coach that's been at Virginia Tech for 24 years that didn't want to leave and then subsequently bailing on Virginia Tech a few days later is a dick move.

The two events are (to our knowledge) completely separate and independent. Fuente released Wiles believing that he would be the head coach at VT for the foreseeable future. A month later, a new potential opportunity came up. This potential opportunity doesn't change that Wiles was under performing as of late in recruiting and developing talent.

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Uh besides the fact that the university a lot of us went to and donate to pays his salary.....??? Baylor is absolutely not a lateral in terms of prestige. The rest of it I can agree with

The same Baylor team that almost got death penalty for running the shittiest program in history (see: Briles, Art; Starr, Ken; McCaw, Ian).

We put the K in Kwality

To be fair, Ruhle by all accounts did a fantastic job getting that program out of that gutter.

We gave him roughly 16 million dollars for starters

Checks Twitter. Comes on here. Logs on, because I always have to log on. Just to shrug and say whatevs. Not worried about any of this. Trust Whit. He's the best hire we've had.

My job can be pretty stressful at times. But I have no doubt, that I don't experience anywhere near the levels of stress that Whit must experience.

Also...I hope he stays, I like Fuente, he's the kind of coach I would've liked to play for...but if he goes, call Tony Elliott immediately.

I'm amazed Baylor would place a high priority on Fuente after the last 2 years performance in this division of this conference.

At this point though, I'd almost be more concerned if they were going after Kill.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Kinda misleading.

Says "just breathe later" and most took it as:

Edit: But I don't even have a twatter, so what do I know?

Just pointing out that current recruits are taking notice

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Yup, no worries. Didn't necessarily mean you, just in general misleading. Sorry if it came across that way.

In a weird way that reinforces my point, I guess?

FWIW I talked to tyree last night. I really feel for recruits. its a tough business. i get that. but its tough for the kids involved. especially the ones that are now stuck in limbo with no way out and no idea what is going to happen next.

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This is why I feel like the bridges have already been burned at this point and may be a reason to hope Fuente moves on... Hard to build a culture with no trust, and if this whole things has legs (which it obviously does), we might as well start rebuilding instead of being strung out another couple years. I've always been in the "give Fuente time" boat, but this at the very best is a PR disaster.

Hopefully, Fuente stays, and sees this thing through.

So I walked out of a movie to all this lol. Already almost 300 comments on this when I opened it.

Whatcha see?

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Parasite. It was so incredible I wasn't even panicked when I saw all the commotion. It's starting to set in now with all these tweets I'm seeing in this thread from players.

I think we're gonna see it in a few weeks when it comes back to the Regal. Glad you enjoyed it!

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

great movie!

Tyrece Radford for Head Football Coach.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

LOL

How is Les Miles liking Kansas? Nobody can like living in Kansas, right?

Actually, Lawrence is a fantastic place to live.

Regardless of how this shakes out, it's a damn shame this man never hung around in some coaching capacity.

I know it's not particularly relevant but I've always wanted to see him on the VT sidelines again.

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

His younger brother will likely still be the QB at Baylor next year so it's kinda relevant.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

My initial reactions in order:

1) I hope we don't lose their Texas recruits (thankfully DD has tweet that essentially says he's committed no matter what)

2) Timing is a little rough.

What's missing? "Man, losing Fuente would suck". That's where I'm at with it. If he stays, cool. If he doesn't, whatever. Earlier this year (after the Duke game), it was a legit reasonable question to ask IF he should be fired (that's different from "omg fire him now!" so calm down people who get irked by that kind of stuff). The team turned it around well enough to cool his seat but he's also in a situation where if we underperform next year, you're back to asking that question again. So would it really be a huge loss if he left? I don't think so.

I also don't think the timing is that bad either. Miss St just hired Mike Leach like 4 days ago, proving you can still get good candidates right now. The early signing day makes hiring coaches this late easier to swallow since a lot of NLIs could already be signed. So really, I don't see why any candidate couldn't be available. None of the HCs that were just hired really wowed me so I'm not sweating bullets missing out on them. If it does happen, Whit just needs to be aggressive and go after the top assistants that are out there. There's some HCs that might be willing to move as well. I don't think its a barren wasteland out there that some think. What I do NOT want to happen is them just give the job to Kill or Bud for a year while they look. That just kicks the can down the road. You waste two years instead of one.

Imagine if you will a reality where VT pays Brent Venables that everything is going to be OK money and we have JHam being mentored by two of the greatest defense minds college football has seen...

Imagine if you will a reality when we keep Jerry Kill on as the cheap, stopgap solution and everyone is mad.

Continuing the Twilight Zone meme and upping the ante...

Imagine, if you will, a reality where Whit promotes Brad Cornelson to HC as the stopgap solution because no one else is available.

What happened to everyone hoping he was fired? I sure hope he stays and maybe our fan base turns it down a couple notches. Karma

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I would assume many (but apparently not all) of our fans are capable of seeing a difference between firing a coach in November and having one walk out the door with zero notice, right after putting a new staff in place, in the middle of January.

Imagine the uproar if Fuente does leave and somehow Corn is named the new HC

for all we know he might be a better HC than OC :shrug:

What if it is actually Corny going to Balyor. There was that rumor before the Bowl that Corny was out.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Fuck it. Let's get Jason Brown.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I was thinking this too, why hasn't anyone picked him up.

The show doesn't show much of his actual X and O's coaching. So it's hard to say what he really does.

You're kidding, right? He actually said at one point on the show that he doesn't watch film. Also I'm pretty sure he's in jail.

For the record, I was indeed, kidding

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Most of y'all

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Me

If the man leaves, what y'all gonna do? Nothing.

If the man stays, what y'all gonna do? Bitch about him if he doesn't do what you want.

I don't want him to go. If he does, the sun will still come up tomorrow and we'll still have a football team. I'm still going to support that football team.

And at the end of the day, we're still a TKP family, warts and all!

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IF this happens, there is one clear solution...bring Coach Frank Beamer back. Let him win a natty with a junior and senior laden group. JHam earns the trust of the fan base and becomes the HC in 2023 as CFB rides off into the sunset.

Ok, back to reality...WTF!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

When you don't tell your AD you're interested in a job and interviewing and AD finds out via other outlet. You're gunna have a bad time. Sour Grapes all around

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

....... that's pretty shitty of Fuente.

It's interesting to me that we have multiple coaches make comments about how great and supportive of an AD Whit is.... and then they promptly throw that right back in his face by pulling this kind of crap. I've always been a supporter of Fuente, but what you're describing goes against everything he talks about week in and week out. It's Fuente's prerogative to interview/take a job elsewhere if he wants to, but just a couple months ago the man publicly supported him when the fanbase was ready to run him out on a rail and this is how you repay that? At least give him a heads up....

If that's the case:

Is there anything to substantiate this?

Jugs has obvious industry connections as a part of it.

I've seen reports of this also, but I am not connected. I can confirm other people are reporting this as well.

It matches with what I've heard from someone close to the program.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

No offense to Jugs because I'm sure he isn't just trying to throw bad info out there but in November he said: "Corn is gone just breathe and get through the next few weeks." In December he was guaranteeing Odom or Walters for DC and reinforcing the Corn is gone expectation.

I'm not accusing JUGS of having bad intentions or intentionally spreading bad info... just saying that based on recent track record it would be best to take his info with a grain of salt.

And yes I realize how unpopular it is around here to question people who seem to maybe have actual sauces.

Different situation. Hiring/firing situations, much like recruiting require multiple parties to be on board. They are always going to be fluid and subject to change.

Whether or not Whit knew about Fuente setting up this interview or not is a discrete fact, no extra parties involved, no gray area. He either knew or he didn't.

*she not he

I was given bad information, it sucks but I think I've hit/uncovered enough to be a quiet source here.

In terms of Corn -> Whit decided he didn't have enough $ to replace a whole defensive staff and bring in a whole new offensive staff. The hires pretty much speak to that as well. Lechty to RB is a good but cheap hire, JHam is a good but cheap hire, the only cash that got splashed so to speak was Tapp & Bill.

I havent been TKPing hard enough long enough to be aware of your long term track record, and I do appreciate your contributions. I certainly don't attribute the bad information shared recently as a character flaw, or as bad intentions, on your part. I realize that there are a lot of moving parts in the business of college sports.

All that said, I think there is more wisdom for the casual fan in waiting for this process to wrap up and seeing where we stand before jumping to conclusions about what a horrible person Fuente is for how he might be handling this situation.

No worries wasn't taken in a mean way at all. I would also say people saying Fuente is a bad person is harsh.

Rhule made 6M and had all the cash he needed to grow that program. Is Baylor a better school than VT whose to say ? I do know they have $ and $ is King in college football.

Is Baylor a better school than VT whose to say ?

Bill Roth, apparently

Is there a source for this?

Jugs is the source.

Jugs isn't a source. Jugs is a person who has sources. The only credible voice on a rumor like that is Whit.

If Whit's the source, it's certainly not a good look for Fuente. Anyone else would be hearsay, and potentially have an agenda attached.

I believe the normal protocol for an interview is AD to AD contact before a coach is contacted, though I suspect agents likely talk beforehand.

Whit is really good at this stuff. Other ADs may not be.

I can almost guarantee based on multiple reports (not just Jugs) that Whit was not informed. Now if you think good ole boy Justin always has the best intentions then go ahead and believe what you will. I've tried defending you here but the "Fuente can do no wrong" thing is tiresome.

Multiple reports doesn't mean multiple sources.

And "almost guarantee" isn't anything. Just OK is not OK.

I think Fuente is our best option at this point. But if he's interviewing without Whit getting proper notification that's bad.

Everyone connected to the program is saying that's what happened.

Everyone?

All I'm saying is that Whit is the only valid source here. And he may well be the source, but I haven't seen anyone say that.

If true, this is a guy (Fuente) who we've heard gets bent out of shape when a 17-18 year old takes visits after committing. Really poor on his part if true.

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Wow. This whole situation is just all-around bad. In Fuente's defense, he walked into a super awkward situation where he was still tied at the hip to the Beamer era. It likely wasn't mandated, but keeping on Bud had to a pretty strong requirement for the job. Which wasn't a bad thing, but you're handcuffed to him and his assistants until he moves on. Plus you have a beloved former head coach who is still VERY close to the program and the fans literally standing right over your shoulder. It was going to take somebody with some major stones to be able to handle this very forced situation.

But on the other side, a lot of Fuente's actions are self-inflicted. He was too stubborn and set in his ways to make a serious commitment to staff improvement and recruiting, and decided to surround himself with buddies (one of the absolute worst Beamer traits and his overall downfall). It took him nearly getting canned this year, the donors getting in an uproar, and by all accounts Whit saying we were going to tear the thing down and start over to make some adjustments. I can honestly see why both sides likely are bitter at this point. If he truly wants to move on to go back closer to home, I think he should take it. The damage is done at this point.

If this is true, (and you personally have given us no reason in the past to doubt anything you've ever said, you clearly have sources you aren't willing to disclose and that's ok) there's no way Fuente can come back and be our head coach. None.

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Damn.

I forgot how truly awful the off-season can be when you're a Hokie. Lol.

My personal thoughts are I hope he stays. When he came in, he had the choice as to whether to keep Bud or not, but had he let Bud go, he would have lost the fanbase from Day 1. It feels like 2020 is the first time it's truly 100% his team from a staff standpoint.

I realize it's a job, and aside from being here for the past 4 years, he has no real ties to Blacksburg or VT, and the fact that Baylor can more than we can; but I feel like between having just completed his staff (which leaving now would put a lot of guys lives in an uncertain place, some of which just days ago left their previous job to come to VT), knowing what he has returning on the field in 2020, and seeing what he has been building for 2021...if he leaves at this point, then Fuente is not the type of person I thought him to be. Maybe I'm naive.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

agree with you. between the amount of upperclassmen on the roster and recent coaching changes, and what seems to be a promising start to the 2021 class...it would be pretty awkward time to leave.

if he wants to be in the texas/oklahoma part of the country, maybe he sees this as his best opportunity. candidates would be texas, oklahoma, tcu, okie state...who knows when those open up? that might be his point of view.

that being said, all indications are, whit is a stand-up guy who deserves to be informed by fuente if he plans on interviewing somewhere. if fuente did this behind is back with no notification, he'll lose some respect from a lot of fans (not that that matters much)

i want to him to stay as well...i really want to see the impact that teerlink and tapp have on recruiting

In the end, it is what it is.

The whole "firing Wiles then living is a dick move" thing is irrelevant. Chances are, the next guy in line for head whistle would probably have let him go anyway.

The big losers in this would be the new hires over the last month and a half, and I would feel genuinely bad for them, that would be the "dick move" in all of this, though I'm assuming in the world of big time athletics that this is all big-boy rules and everyone understands all of this.

Newsflash:

The people who didn't like Fuente before STILL don't like Fuente.

Yet somehow, he's still in demand.

And no, I don't blame Fuente for interviewing. He has a market value, and it's OK if he knows what that is. But I really hope he stays, because my feeling is that he's right in that stage where I think we'll see results.

Trying not to give my own commentary on this until something is final, but this is a real Monkey's Paw situation for anyone who wanted Fuente gone.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yup

Rhule left in January. Baylor is working on the same timing we are. How many great candidates are out there right now? Fuente's "demand" is not because VT lost to Duke, I can tell you that.

Still need time to confirm that all these things are true.

If Whit was completely unaware, and the players were completely unaware, then this is a major dick move by Fuente and potential PR disaster.

I haven't seen anything to substantiate that Whit was unaware of the interview. I'm guessing the players may not have been aware but I'm not sure its necessary for a coach to let his players know about interviews and interest from other programs.

I'm not as worried about that part, though I think it's bullshit the players have to deal with that. I'm worried about multiple VT insiders reporting that Whit didn't know about this and is not happy. Also, people need to remember that Jugs, who has said the same thing, works in the industry and is a legit source for this kind of info.

I don't really understand the "this is a dick move" thing. Coaching is a job, albeit a lucrative one if you get into the right situation. I don't go around announcing to all my bosses and co-workers that I'm looking for another job, nor do I tell the people who work under me. I just don't see this as any different. Players should understand that as well.

We as VT fans were spoiled for a very long time with coaching loyalty, and even took it for granted and Beamer almost left. I think some of us are having a hard time understanding what the P5 coaching profession looks like.

So I don't blame Fuente if he listens to Baylor, called and all but campaigned for the job, whatever. He's in year 4 here, he's had what I consider mild success with lots of questions, and he has a chance to reset his clock and make more money for the next 3-4 years; most likely guaranteed in lieu of a high probability of only 1 year if things break bad.

I also do not think this is a disaster for VT. It's still a compelling job, and there are a lot of really good coaches that would come to VT and could be better then Fuente - Venables, Napier, Fritz, Houston, etc. There's still really good coaches out there. And I'm not even going to pretend I know what makes a great coach. I thought Ogeron was going to be a disaster, Herman was going to be awesome. What do I know?

The answer could be simple...maybe he just likes mesquite smoked bbq more than hickory. If so, that's a dang shame because everyone knows hickory is way better.

JP

Hickory is indeed better than mesquite, and apple trumps both.

I prefer cherry

I primary switch between cherry and apple. Prefer apple for my ribs and cherry for my pork. Sometimes I'll mix in some of those jack daniels barrel chips.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Apple for pulled pork and cherry for everything else (including brisket) for me

How are you guys not using post oak?

i'm a cheap smoker - i use oak as my base and augment with hardwood chunks. I prefer apple (i smoke mostly chicken and pork), but I will use hickory, mesquite, and cherry when i need to mix things up.

I've been using this as my base recently - awesome stuff [fogo]

I feel you with the Fogo. That's my go to as well, but try the post oak chunks at least once with a brisket. It's going to be life changing.

I'll have to give it a try next time! Thanks for the suggestion.

pecan and cherry for brisket oh baby

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This is why we TKP...to discuss wood smoking preferences on a thread about our football coach potentially leaving!

let us have our distraction

Exactly, I already got a little snowboarding discussion in way earlier on this thread.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I trust Whit to make a good hire if this happens and you can't blame a guy for taking an interview that could advance his career and get him closer to home. Also, he had to continue doing his job here and filling out his coaching staff because nothing is guaranteed for him until he signs that contract.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Astounding how many people can't grasp that it's possible to think Fuente isn't the right guy for VT and still not want him to leave 2 months after coaching carousel season. Regardless of whether he should be our coach or not the timing of this would fuck our program so bad and set it back years.

Some information that Kill's office/desk has been cleared out. Not sure how concrete this is but it's not going in the right direction for VT

Apparently Kill has been approached by Gary Patterson at TCU for a position there. A lot of dots connecting.

Gobble Till You Wobble

It really sounds like Fuente's inner circle knew this was going to happen and kept it quiet from VT.

If this all goes down like you're portraying, Justin Fuente will immediately vault to the #1 most hated person in Blacksburg. This timing has potential to seriously damage our program going forward.

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Most hated in Blacksburg? I don't think he'll ever trump the guy who owned (owns?) Tech Tow or whatever it's called now.

#truth

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

I wouldn't hate him, but he'll definitely have some interesting footnotes on his VT resume., not the least of which is a "do as I say, not as I do" reputation. Overall, his time here has been alright. We don't have to slap a Tyrod Taylor in the game and tell him to "do stuff", in order to score.

It has the potential to seriously damage the program, but I don't think it will. VT's football brand is stronger than 85% of college football, so there will be great candidates who'd want to come in and lead the team. Even if that means we tab an interim coach for next season.

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VT's football brand is stronger than 85% of college football, so there will be great candidates who'd want to come in and lead the team.

Depends who you ask...

  • Among long time college football fans? Probably.
  • Among recruits? No way, their memory of college football goes back 15 years.
  • Among coaches? I would guess it's closer to 75%... I think coaches are aware of the challenges in coaching in a conference with Clemson, in a conference with less TV money, at a school with a medium sized donor base and location challenge.

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