Bill Roth: "Baylor is a better job in every conceivable way"

Bill Roth was on the Tom Donnelly Show this morning talking about the Fuente rumors, and... well, he didn't pull any punches

Link to Interview

"The timing of this is terrible, he was just hiring coaches this week"

"Look at the coaching changes they made, and try to figure out a guy from JMU, a alum with no coaching experience... There was no going out and paying $1.5m for a coordinator, and that's something he can do at Baylor. That's something that would have never happened at Tech"

"Potentially devastating to Tech. Virginia Tech would have to release everyone who signed, because school doesn't start until next week"

"Everybody in the business says Baylor is a better job"

"You can win at Baylor. You aren't following a legend. You aren't going to be scrutinized. You have access to a plane and more money. You have a new stadium. You have a new $100m football facility. The offices at Virginia Tech were build for Bill Dooley in 1985. Merryman is ancient. Its not 2003 anymore."

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Well that wasn't too nice to say about us.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

That wasn't very cash money of you to say, Bill.

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Ouch.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Life is a nightmare.

We're gonna ride it all night long.

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@hokie_rd

Except for the females that constantly get raped in the football dorms. That's not better.

Goodness. That could have stayed in the comment drafts, DC

If we're being candid.. he's not wrong.

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I am under the impression that Rhule came in and drastically changed the culture at Baylor. That is what Fuente would be going to. Not what Baylor was like under Art Briles.

I am under the impression that Rhule came in and drastically changed the culture at Baylor.

Wonder how he did that without at least 4 years to spin up 'his guys?' From what I've heard, it takes at least 6, and that's if you're a historically winning program...

Hear me out. Maybe, just maybe Rhule is an elite head coach and that's why he's in the NFL now. I know it's crazy but maybe he did it faster than literally most other coaches could and we probably shouldn't set that as the expectation for a program's turnaround time.

If turning around a program can be done so quickly and is so easy, then way are most schools like Miami, FSU, USCe, USCw, Arkansas, Mississipi State, Tennessee, and Ole Miss still struggling to do it?

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Yep - they hired a great coach. We hired a mediocre one we were giving basically an unlimited runway to and constantly making excuses for.

Also just because I love the narrative, what 'glory days' are USCe, Miss St. and Ole Miss trying to return to? They've been bottom feeders since they joined the SEC.

USCe has one conference title in their history - the ACC in 1969,
MSU has one conference title in their history - the SEC in 1941
Ole Miss claimed some Natty's in the early 60s and hasn't won a conference championship since 1963
Arkansas' last conference championship was in 1989
VT is still one of the winningest programs in the nation over the last 30 years.

Yet now Baylor wants the coach you consider mediocre?

Maybe they realize something you don't?

I'm starting to think this is Jenny Fuente's account.

I've suspected this for awhile. Her or Corny.

Maybe the options are just shit right now and our options are about to be even worse. Think we poach a sitting HC from another winning P5 team? Doubt it.

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Look i was a part of Tech's glory days and want to get back to that level as quickly as possible too. My main point was each rebuild is different and it's obviously not easy because there are way more examples of turnarounds taking time than there or of one's like Rhule's at Baylor. I used schools that have more money than us, better recruiting than us, and what most would agree are in the same college football tier as us to highlight my point. If you want though, go ahead and pick through my other examples and tell me where i'm wrong or i can come up with some more for you?

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Hard disagree. That culture wasn't a product of a coach, it was an entire administration and school condoning the raping of women for football success. Many powerful people knew what was going on and allowed it to happen. The report detailing what they did wrong and who was responsible was given as a verbal report, and the details never shared because they were a private school. So no one actually gets to see what real changes they've made or that the persons responsible are held accountable. Instead they get to continue on, hire someone like Rhule (who then has the gall to call them a reputable christian institution), and continue to have success without ever dealing with consequences worse than a couple of bad to mediocre seasons. And now that they're winners again all is absolved. I guarantee you the people up top truly believe they have done nothing wrong and are being persecuted by an unfair media because that's how those personalities operate, and they'd gladly do it again because in the end, it worked beyond their wildest imaginations.

He is wrong, he limited to the football dorms, it's a much bigger problem than just football. It was terrible, not sure how much actually got cleaned up.

So this is an accepted comment here now? Fuck off this ain't 247 sports

Keep calm, Gobble on

Fuck off this ain't 247 sports

Do you really believe that this is an accepted comment here now?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Fuck off this ain't 247 sports

I always laugh seeing people think that this site is any different from the hundreds of other ones on the internet.

I do love the juxtaposition of someone who has an avatar of a kid giving the middle finger telling someone to "fuck off" because their comment was basically too inflammatory for this website..

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This may be true, but why would Baylor want Fuente? What has he done to show he can follow up and exceed what Rhule has done?

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

The way Bill Roth looks at Baylor apparently

Gobble Till You Wobble

He's right. All of the big Texas schools have major benefactors and oil money backing them. Not rocket science that they have more cash to flash.

Also, I guess it came as a shock to Fuente that VT has certain limitations. I can understand and sympathize to a certain degree, but a guy who lost to ODU, blown out by Duke at home, and struggled to beat ODU and 2 FCS schools this year isn't convincing me that a jet and a football facility were the difference. He's right, VT does need more resources. But I also don't think Fuente was exactly killing it coaching either.

Fuente is starting to sound like a disingenuous ass really. The guy was brought here from Memphis as touted as a coach who could build a program with limited resources and make more out of less. Then he comes in to VT and in four years needs a jet on demand and all the resources of a blue blood program in order to beat BC Duke UVA and ODU. I get it, we are at a disadvantage with resources, but damn this just seems like a facade to excuse underperforming.

Fuck him. Whit rescued him from fucking Memphis... A fucking dump of a program

One could say Memphis has fared better post Fuente

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Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here. Maynard James Keenan. 1991

One could also say Memphis was a dumpster fire before Fuente got there, with the previous coach going 3-21 before he was fired. It's not apples to apples.

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One could also argue that Memphis was put on the right path because Fuente did what he did there

I just find it funny that most on here want SO BADLY to be a blue blood, but don't understand what it means or how to achieve that...
We aren't one. We don't have the resources to buy our way into the game of blue bloods. And aren't going to pull cruits like blue bloods.
Frank kept us swinging above our weight class for a long time, occasionally getting a peek at the big boy table. But we aren't on that level.

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1000% correct.

Nerf.............so true. The odds are high and truly against us.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I don't want us to be a blue blood. I want to backdoor our way into the playoff navigating what is often one of the easier paths to a championship game in P5, and a miracle win over Clemson (or FSU whenever they re-emerge). Will likely get beat up in the playoff, but I want us to then parlay that into better recruiting relevance and a reinvigorated fan base, and maybe more college football relevance more generally. Finally, use that as a way to find a little more consistency toward the back half or end of the top 25. I'm not so certain that should be as impossible as we sometimes make it seem.

Not too different to what Utah and Minnesota nearly did this year.

@hokie_rd

Agreed completely. Being located where we are, I'm not sure we could ever become a blue blood, either...though, Clemson I suppose challenges that thought a bit.

Honestly, I think to become a Blue Blood, outside of donations skyrocketing, having the right amount of support staff, and all the other things that go along with it...I think we'd have to relocate our main football facilities to where we're building that new graduate facility for Amazon near DC. Location, location, location.

I did not think about this very long, so I'm sure some will have legit arguments against it. :)

There isn't an argument against it, but I don't think the fan base wants or anticipates us every to be that kind of program. However, we don't have to go from we aren't and will never be a blue blood to this is a sub par power 5 program. We have increasingly left little room for middle ground since Beamer left, and that involves us (the fans) changing too.

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Yeah, not something I expect at all.

I'm pretty proud that we're a pretty clean university - as far as we know - compared to the blue bloods. One of my best friends, who went to Wisconsin, talks about this with me a lot. We like the fact that our universities are good schools that perform well in sports despite not taking rules and morals breaking shortcuts every step of the way. If that means we do not get to compete for natty's except once in a blue moon, I'm OK with it.

The one thing that chaps me is that we do it the right way and the NCAA constantly punishes us for it lol

Yea I mean this isn't shocking to me.

We all love VT and our opinions are heavily tinted in O&M. The truth is money wins. Money pays for coaches. Money pays for recruiting. Money pays for infrastructure. Any job with more money is a better job than any job with less money.

You are right about money until your last sentence. That's just not true, fake news, absolute nonsense.

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Any job with more money is a better job than any job with less money.

false. Compensation takes many forms. Some of them are easily converted to money (cost of living, retirement contribution, healthcare coverage, etc). Some of them are less easily equated with a dollar value (good boss/coworkers, enjoyable work/work environment, nice place to live, flex time, near family, etc). All other things being equal, sure, "any job with more money is a better job," but it is rare to have such an apples to apples comparison. By all accounts, Bud had multiple opportunities for a lateral move with better pay (or maybe even a head coach position at an inferior school), but decided against it because it wasn't enough to cancel out the non-monetary reasons he had for staying at tech.

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I know for a fact that Fuente has access to a plane. The locker room is 10 years old and was the best at the time. the Beamer Barn? Roth left that out in his trashing of the facilities I guess. Merryman just got a multi million dollar re-fresh and we have the best and newest nutrition center in the ACC. You're right Bill.. Fuente is operating out of a trailer on prices fork. Ass.

Yeah, I love Roth but that depiction of VT is a little over the top.

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Not specifically directed at you, Chachi, but honestly, folks on this site needs to take a chill pill on DC. Just because he's not spouting butterflies and rainbows and wearing O&M glasses 24/7 doesn't mean we have to trash his every post/opinion. Can we not all agree that a VT hall of famer and staple of the program just trashed VT? And now we're coming down on DC for being upset about it and defending the program? This guy can't win on this board and I think its beyond time for some posters on here to take a deep breath and count to three before responding. Disagree with his takes all you want, but diversity of opinion improves most discussions, this forum included.

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No offense taken Wasena, I am on record as enjoying DC's persistent cynicism more often than not. He is the yin to the various optimistic yangs on the site. I was simply poking fun at DC for obviously being distracted on a workday, much as I am as well. Go Hokies, with or without CJF.

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My thoughts exactly on his take. I get that he has every right to make an argument about Baylor being a better gig, but the way he did this was poor form. In regards to our facilities, this is a totally obtuse take - especially from someone who is intimately familiar with them.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

You are easily the most toxic person on this board aside from how incorrect you are on a regular basis

Keep calm, Gobble on

What about my post was incorrect? Care to refute?

Nope. both of you...don't.

Go take a walk. Put the phone down. Whatever. Not the place. Not the time.

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yea, you're typically on point. but sometimes a little too edgy. idk.

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A lot of times you need to fact check your own stuff before you post it. Simple things like "our 78th ranked recruiting class in 2019" are just plain wrong.

Other times you need to make sure you're arguing what people are actually saying and not what you want them to be saying for the sake of your argument. You sometimes pre-emptively start arguments that aren't actually happening.

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You can renovate an old ass building, but it's still not going to be a shiny new building. I don't really see Beamer Barn as that much of a draw. It's an indoor field. Cool. Literally just a shelter from the elements to practice. It's not a new office building or gym or athletic center. It's nice. Definitely nice, but I don't believe it a huge draw for recruits or coaches.

Bill is telling the truth. No one wants to hear it, but it's the truth and not even worded in a malicious way. He's not an ass, he's just someone that can give insight into the state of VT football facilities compared to places with more money.

Right in the nuggets. That one hurts.

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Et tu Bill?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

What the fuck, Bill?

sour grapes Bill. Is that why you left town for that shiny new job and dragged your ass back to blacksburg the next year???

No. He came back to Blacksburg to build a sports media program like Syracuse. Don't speak on what you don't know.

Still not the entire story - so the same could be said for you.

Although I agree that the first post is wrong and in bad taste, it didn't go down exactly like that.

I didn't speak on why he left, because I don't know. I spoke on why he "dragged his ass back to Blacksburg".

I think a handful of us are aware of the personal motivations he had for leaving and coming back. Regardless, Bill's comments aren't 'sour grapes,' he's being brutally honest.

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It definitely has a sour grapes feel to it, considering he left out renovations and paints the picture that we are operating with the same facilities that we were in 1995. He left for UCLA and was gone from that job a year later. Yes, he works for Tech. Yes, Baylor probably has more money and newer facilities. However, this does not feel like a fair representation of Tech.

I'm not saying he's right, and I'm not entirely sure he is, but this isn't the dose of reality I wanted this week.

The truth hurts. Don't be mad at Bill for telling it like it is.

If you play it, they will win.

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His comments might be rooted in truth, but did he have to publicly say it?

Might have been intentional. Whit probably can't say these things to fan base if he wants to keep his job and not frustrate donors. Bill Roth can.

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It's not the "truth", it's bullshit. Our locker room was rebuilt less than 10 years ago- and at the time, it was the best in college football. Bama can't punt in their indoor facility because of the lower roof...ours is more square footage than the verizon center. Merryman and all of the offices JUST got a multi million dollar facelift. We have a new weight room, and the best and newest nutrition facility in the ACC. The fucking prescious "vegas style" athlete swag dorms got approved as well and will be built soon. What the fuck does Bill want? Seriously. and he is dead wrong that Fuente doesn's have access to a plane.

he is dead wrong that Fuente doesn's have access to a plane.

It's about how much access to a plane Fuente has. This was an issue for Buzz as well.

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We can argue this all day, and I agree we are behind the blue bloods in the arms race for sure. But we aren't exactly chopped liver either, and a few more plane trips wasn't the difference in getting blown out by Duke at home.

Let me put it this way. That new VT campus with Amazon up in NOVA... the multi billion dollar one? Fu has access to a plane used by key players in that deal any time he wants.. literally. And no, I don't believe a word Buzz says.

Are you really arguing that the NOVA Amazon campus will pull in VT football recruits? I know technology is wild these days, but I haven't heard of practicing football online.

If you play it, they will win.

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no he's saying that the same high powered people who helped close the VT Innovation Campus there that are the same ones with the plane that fuente could use. the implication being "if fuente wanted to"

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Correct

i might not understand everything you post, but i'm getting better at it

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Exactly... this hyperbolic depiction that VT is a little sister of the poor is a bunch of crap. Yeah our football program may currently have less disposable income but it's not like your local bank taking on wells fargo

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Coaches and media members think we're a top 35/40 program. Fans think we're top 20/25. I don't know what to tell you.

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That you're wrong?

I think Andy Bitter said it well:

Do the Hokies have the resources of Baylor? No. And that was likely something behind the appeal of the school, where Fuente not only would have gotten a large raise but wouldn't have many restrictions when assembling a group of assistants and support staff. The Bears' facilities are also top-notch. But Virginia Tech's also not poor, certainly relative to most of the FBS. Beamer made it work for many years. It's a hurdle in Blacksburg, but not one that can't be cleared.

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I already said this on this thread a day ago

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I said it to my wife two days ago.

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This isn't entirely untrue. But (assuming he writes no more on it) Andy is also superficially telling his subscribing audience what it wants to hear. He not only doesn't mention what it is which needs to be done to clear those hurdles - but he fails to define what those hurdles actually are. Because if he did, the finger would point directly at his audience.

The real hurdles are neither new, insignificant, getting smaller, nor easily/quickly remedied.

The real hurdles are neither new, insignificant, getting smaller, nor easily/quickly remedied

Agreed.

Saying we're the poor step sister of the cfb world is hyperbole. But it's also naive to think we can recreate the success of the early 2000's given the financial disadvantage we developed over the last decade.

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FWIW there is no agreement with Amazon and VT. We simply have a campus next to them. There is no partnership.

DC is 100% correct on the plane thing. Any person that was at the VTAA Tidewater Golf Tourney a few years ago when Beamer came would have heard him say "Wow, I didn't realize how far of a drive this actually is. When we were recruiting we always flew".

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Take your O&M glasses off for a sec and reread Bill's comments.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

The beamer barn is 5 years old. Let's tear it down and build a new one. Then we can compete with Baylor.

Did I say anything about the Beamer Barn? You were talking about the locker room being rebuilt and Merryman getting a facelift. Don't put words in my mouth!

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Not disagreeing. I mean, yay that we gave Merryman a facelift, but the building is still 30+ years old when our competitors are actively building new, swanky digs for their staffs that are specifically designed, engineered, and built to suit modern needs. The facelift is good, but the pictures I've seen (outside the foyer) its very much akin to slapping lipstick on a pig. The facility is old by big boy program standards, and even with the facelift, it shows.

The lockers being 10 years old? I mean, that might have been good in 2010, but its outdated now. Its not a recruiting showcase anymore.

The Beamer Barn is nice, sure. But it also shrunk our practice fields in half and blocked the nice view of Lane that we had in the balcony outside those same locker rooms, turning a view of the practice fields and stadium into a view of a prefab wall. Sigh

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I'm assuming you meant to reply to DC? Because you're arguing my point.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I'm agreeing with you.

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You and I need to work on this thing. You always reply agreeing with me and somehow because of the way it's worded I take it as a rebuttal.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

lol, true... true

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Let's rebuild the locker room and Merryman- tear them down, and build new ones every 8 or so years. Fine. and you know what? as soon as we do, UNC will build a bigger one, etc. If there are "issues" with the Beamer Barn- which is nicer than 90% of NFL indoors, then the whole exercise is fruitless. We will never be good enough if that building is not. Never.

For the record, I'm not arguing that we spend spend and spend to keep up with the Joneses. The arms race in college football is madness to me. But, that doesn't mean that I don't know full well the state of our facilities compared to others with more $$$. But with the current trend, there may be more truth in your last two sentences than any of us are comfortable admitting.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Oh good, we can appeal to the better punters lmao.

Hey Bill...stop!

We're going to lose a head coach to a program with a 45,000 seat stadium, that includes 3,000 standing room only seats.

BUT..... that smaller stadium is here, deep in the heart of Texas. I just moved here about a year and a half ago, and even knowing the stereotypes of Texans and their football........ well, holy shit. It's all true, and then some.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think HCJF is as hot a property as HE thinks he is - and I'm still not sure about him being that good, period - but if he wants fewer limits on resources, Baylor is a step up for that alone.

But Bill was still pretty mean.

First of all, I appreciate the wake up call Bill, and I hope fans and donors take notice.

Regarding the plane comment - it's not just access to a private jet; it's the amount of access that someone has. This is where VT's location comes into play - we're at least 2.5 hours to Charlotte, 3 hours to Richmond, 3.5 hours to Raleigh, 4 hours to the southernmost part of the DMV, 5 hours to Virginia Beach, 6 hours to Baltimore, and 7 hours to Atlanta. Compare that to Clemson, PSU, UMD, GT, UGA, UNC, etc. If we want to compete with schools for talent we have to get on the ground and build those relationships with high school coaches. We need either money for frequent jet access, or money for support staff to do the work (scouting, film review, etc) that coaches would otherwise do, or both. Remember - private jet access was an issue for Buzz too. Let's not be shocked it's an issue for Fuente as well.

Also, reposting here because I think it's relevant...

My speculated theory is that Fuente was unaware of the unique challenges that exist in Blacksburg. In modern day college football, we're at a disadvantage due to (1) funding and (2) location (all of our geographic rivals are closer to our recruiting hotbeds than we are). This tweet from really hit home for me (and aligns with Bill Roth's comments)...

My theory is that Fuente has realized/come to terms with the glass ceiling that exists at VT. Our budget is not keeping up with that of our peers (due to the ACC's failure to monetize TV rights, and our medium size donor base), and it's starting to limit us on the field.

As JUGS said in the other thread:

In terms of Corn -> Whit decided he didn't have enough $ to replace a whole defensive staff and bring in a whole new offensive staff. The hires pretty much speak to that as well. Lechty to RB is a good but cheap hire, JHam is a good but cheap hire, the only cash that got splashed so to speak was Tapp & Bill.

When Fuente was introduced as head coach at VT, a common question was "Why VT?" to which Fuente often responded with "Why not?" I think after 3-4 years, he's starting to answer that question...

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My theory is that Fuente has realized/come to terms with the glass ceiling that exists at VT. Our budget is not keeping up with that of our peers (due to the ACC's failure to monetize TV rights, and our medium size donor base), and it's starting to limit us on the field.

Counterpoint - CJF isn't that good of a coach (career 59-43 record), has been resting on potential for a couple years, realizes he doesn't have the chops to recruit in Mid-Atlantic/South East, and also realizes he doesn't have Bud Foster any more. If there is a time to cash in your chips, maybe it's now?

Even before Beamer left, we weren't in a great financial situation, but we weren't getting dragged by Duke. We didn't lose to ODU (the JMU game was a fluke and we won the ACC, for anyone trying to go there), we weren't going into games with teams the caliber of Wake, GT, Syracuse, etc. as toss-up games. Money helps, no doubt, and I'm sure he expected some more to be available to build his vision of the program, but maybe he's not the Head Guy worth investing in?

Counter-counterpoint: Fuente has been the head coach over 2 rebuilds. We snatched him up before he could get into the sustained success point, which is where you get all the wins in a career. And "fans" wanted him gone before he could prove how much success he could get and whether he could sustain it.

.84 level players doesn't get you sustained success at this level.

Except the games against Wake(0-0), GT and Syracuse were toss up games under Beamer.......

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

...at the point he was being ushered out the door for not performing, yes. It wasn't good enough for him either, and Frank had semi-trucks full of goodwill built up. Fuente has none.

CJF isn't that good of a coach (career 59-43 record), has been resting on potential for a couple years, realizes he doesn't have the chops to recruit in Mid-Atlantic/South East, and also realizes he doesn't have Bud Foster any more. If there is a time to cash in your chips, maybe it's now?

Fuente is leaving for some combination of three things:

  • Bigger paycheck
  • Better part of the country (in his eyes)
  • More resources

You can debate the prestige of the jobs, or if Fuente chose to leave because "it's time," but at the end of the day, these are three things that Baylor can offer that Tech cannot.

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Better part of the country? Have you ever been to Waco and seen all the whackos that live there? If that is CJF's view, then I really question his judgement, on and off the field. :-)

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"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Umm... these are not the best selling points for that HC VT needs to hire next week.

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Bill Roth is dead to me....

Because he speaks what too many are unwilling or just can't accept? I've been saying this for years now since I actually got a look inside Merryman glad to know my thoughts about the place were not too different than someone around the sports world like Roth.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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We have an alum that worked for the athletics department for 22 years airing his personal feelings out in the public. If he had any respect he would have either kept his mouth shut entirely or help to fix the problem. Instead he chooses to undermine the institution that got him his start and perpetuating a bad situation. FU BILL!

This isn't a cult where only rainbows and flowers are allowed to show. Talking about the flaws is important sorry you don't want to know about the issues and just pretend everything is perfect.

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An alum? Roth is a Syracuse grad.

in general terms... he cut his teeth in broadcasting at VT... after 22 years at the same place and growing up here I felt alum was the best term to use. It certainly sounds better than "former employee".

As far as I know he is a current employee of VT unless that's changed this week too.

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I honestly did not know he was a professor... but that just infuriates me even more knowing that while he's talking publicly. The guy's business is communications and he absolutely had to know how this was going to be perceived once his take got out. So... f'ing... disappointed....

The guy's business is communications and he absolutely had to know how this was going to be perceived once his take got out.

Hmmm It's almost as if it was done intentionally...

Bill's not the type to just rant aimlessly, he tends to be calm and collected. He got a spot on a radio show. This was planned. My guess is that he is doing this on Whit's behalf to encourage more donations. Consider this a 'stick' method of motivation rather than 'carrot.'

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if TKP is the litmus test then this was the worst strategy in the history of strategies

yea. his comments weren't about getting donors involved, it was about Fuente (potentially) leaving for Baylor. The correct forum and time to explain that we need more donations would be much different.

This noise also hurts the ability of Whit to hire a new coach. who wants to come to VT where the hurdles of being successful in football at VT are way greater than Baylor, a once Kansas-level football club.

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One of our own is telling us that we need to take a step back and gain some perspective and we are trashing him for "attacking" us.

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we are no different than any other fan base despite what we like to think/tell ourselves

The difference is many of us had been spoiled for literally our whole lives. Most other fanbases were well aware of how these things work. We only seemed like a reasonable and knowledgeable fanbase because everything was going so well.

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He's telling us in a public forum that everyone (e.g., recruits) get to see. I'm all for looking at perspective and improvement, but his comments just make a bad situation worse.

It seems to me that "everyone" already knows.

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wow... the hot takes keep coming. People need to take a breath and chill.

The fact is all the VT JUST did that and JUST did this is precisely the issue. We cannot keep up with the arms race and whenever we JUST do something it means that we caught up for a brief moment for one thing. Meanwhile the big boys are setting the bar that we are trying to catch up to. Beamer Barn aside, which is a great indoor facility, Roth is just speaking the truth.

And here's another fact that is really going to be a bigger kick in the nuts. Liberty is going to catch up and pass us on the arms race as well. They have the money. We don't.

Roth isn't throwing shade. He's just being realistic.

We have to get the right guy in the job if we want fan/donor confidence to improve and donations to increase. There has to be a clear commitment by VT in making the hire and dedicating themselves to being a serious football contender. It's hard to sell the need for donations for massive facility upgrades when everyone is lukewarm at best on the guy in the HC seat. Things improved significantly after 2016, but Fuente could never sustain the incremental successes and momentum needed to allow things to snowball in the right direction. It was a series of improvements and offsetting setbacks.

Something something Virginia Tech fans something something criticize broadcaster (Miami)....

I agree with Roth, Baylor job shows that they are willing to spend the money and its an easier program to "rebuild"

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What if it's all a ploy to get us better facilities and more money for assistants and what not?

some ploy. you'd think he would have pulled it before hiring a staff

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't necessarily disagree with the practicality of his statement. However, it's one take and coming from the same person who said the same thing about the UCLA broadcasting gig - that lasted a year.

Not everything is done on paper

"Baylor is a better job in every conceivable way."

Just let that sink in.

That ACC media deal isn't the only problem, but it's a big one.

Because the Big12 media deal is so good?

It was better than the ACC by 5.2 mil. 35.x to 29.x.
Our original deal was crap and the renegotiated one still sucks. The top basketball conference and a couple of national championships in football and the ACC is getting paid peanuts. I don't know what the numbers look like with the ACC Network added.

You use a lot of past tense words in answering a present tense question.

And "I don't know what the numbers look like with the ACC Network added"? Yet you say the ACC media deal is a big problem. Really?

God, the cathartic rationalizing nonsense that gets thrown around here...

If there's any conspiracy I'd be willing to believe, it's that Bill Roth hyped Baylor and trashed VT to try to get Fuente to leave.

But he did it in a national media forum in front of everybody.

Which makes him a backstabbing douche in my book.

Or he honestly has zero loyalty to a program he called sports for for almost 30 years. So douche X2.

Or he's just speaking the truth

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I believe Bill Roth has pretty much earned the right to say whatever the hell he feels he needs to say about VT. Yes, I give him a pass and wish every game that he were back with Mike calling the game. Just me.

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National media forum?

That was a mistake, I misread the initial post and was thinking it was an interview on ESPN for some reason. It IS available online, so theoretically internationally available, but audience is smaller I'm sure. I was wrong about the audience, but don't change my opinion that he could have worded the "every conceivable way" better (see the interaction between me and AssPocketFullOWhiskey below).

Yes, theoretically available internationally.

But given the condensed timeframe all of this has happened, I'll venture much of Hokie Nation outside of the 1,000 or so message board warriors who frequent this site, TSL, and 247 on a daily basis is blissfully unaware of any of Fuente's supposed dalliance, let alone what Roth said.

I was much more diplomatic with my words earlier, but the vitriol here has really gotten my blood boiling.

Everyone bashing Bill Roth needs to step the fuck back, take off their O&M glasses, realize he isn't saying this shit out of malice, and take in the truth of his words. We don't have the endowment and big $$$ donors to play with schools like Baylor. We've been damned lucky to have the success we have had.

And I am going to put my Fireman hat on for a sec...If you are bashing Bill for speaking the truth and you are not giving to the Hokie Club...well, I don't have anything for your hypocritical ass!!!

If you play it, they will win.

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My issue isn't that Bill Roth doesn't make some valid points, it's that he says it's a better job "in every conceivable way." THAT sounds like a slight of VA Tech. He could have said it was a better job and left it at that. I honestly don't know about Baylor, but seeing our fans travel gives me a lot of pride. I've heard that about Tech on national tv, that our fans travel. Maybe there's other positives we have that they don't, even if it isn't a major selling point. But to hear it worded as he put it seems like a giant slap in the face to me.

So, we play a team and straight up get our ass handed to us. Postgame the coach says, "they were better in all facets of the game." That a malicious slight against us too?

You're superimposing an intent that isn't there.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

If they were better than us in all facets and it was true, then it was just true. Like I said, I have a hard time believing they are better than us in EVERY conceivable way. It's just shitty wording in my opinion, like I said, he could have said it was better and just listed specific ways.

We have some pretty good history - if I'm not mistaken, we have the longest active bowl streak. We've played in the national championship. We do NOT have a glorious history of most of an administration covering up rapes by the football team (does that kind of culture go away with the firing/resignations of 4 or 5 people?). We have great fans. Once upon a time, Lane was considered one of the hardest venues to play (again, fans).

From the beginning of the interview, he knew what they were talking about so he had time to think about what he was going to say, and what he said was that the Baylor job was better in every conceivable way. I just think that's shitty.

I think it's shitty that people ascribe malice to man that clearly loves this university, built a sports media program for said university, and is currently employed as a professor at that university.

All of his critiques were essentially about $$$. So, you can go ahead and step down from that high horse highlighting our history and tradition (which, I'll give you, are superior) to throw him under the bus.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Texas also has zero state income tax.

More gross money plus more net money is hard to turn down.

Cant blame him for that.
And better weather.

Tornado alley and scorching summers? Hard pass, I prefer four seasons and anyways snow is beautiful, if inconvenient. Fall in Appalachia kicks Texas' butt as well.

Can't really argue the tax issue and Brinks truck sized paydays.

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I'm not so sure about the weather thing...

Better weather? I guess if you like to sweat like a pig. Have you lived in Texas? Aside from the Hill Country, there is nothing scenic about Texas.

Hey Bill, Jon Laaser is a better broadcaster than you "in every conceivable way". How does that feel?

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Why did this get any downvotes? It's not like Roth said ONLY objective statements like from what I've seen from the numbers Baylor has more discretionary football money. He said a VERY SUBJECTIVE Baylor football is better in every conceivable way statement. So what is wrong with this very subjective statement?

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Apparently, it isn't.