D'Erik King to visit Maryland, who is the front runner to land him

Maryland... Who went 3-9 last year and won 1 B1G game. Maryland who has not been relevant in 18 years. Maryland who let a player die on their watch a whole 2 years ago. Maryland. Is the front runner for the best transfer QB on the market. This is an example of why people on here suggest recruiting needs to improve at VT. Maryland's recruiting operation is good enough- despite zero success and juice around that program for nearly 20 years- to land very serious consideration from the top QB transfer in college football. Some people can simply recruit. We need more of those people.

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For what it's worth they were also the odds on favorite for Jalen Hurts and he didn't wind up there

But yes, point taken about the salesman side of it.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I mean Locksley is a great recruiter, but has no ability to do anything with the talent.

True, he's a terrible coach..but I'll take my chances with great players vs. hoping projects work out. The more great players you have, the more margin for idiot coaching errors.

Which is why Texas and Michigan have been perennial playoff contenders.

They've been closer than Rutgers and Illinois πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

They win 9-10 games most years... they never go 4-8.. and recruiting rankings are also why Rutgers sucks, and GT immediately sucked after the chicken shit trick offense left town - they had been recruiting in the 50-60's under Johnson. Talent matters.

Uh which Texas record book are you looking at? Fun fact Texas has 71 wins over the last 10 seasons. VT has 84. Michigan has 85*. There is no denying you need talent to win a national championship. The blue chip ratio is definitely a thing. But you also need good great coaching.

*In reality VT and Michigan's numbers should be swapped because it was a fucking catch.

The more great players you have, the more margin for idiot coaching errors

A. Totally agree!
B. First thought when I read this:

"You know when the Hokies say 'We are Virginia Tech' they're going to mean it."- Lee Corso

I have Mike London on Line 1 for you.

could you imagine how horrible UVA would have been without some of the talent he brought in? Finding examples of teams with pretty good recruiting classes and bad coaches doesn't disprove dcwilson's point.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

London's best class was what, 15th? - everything is relative. give me Texas's 5 stars over our 2020 class- every day and twice on Sunday. Like I said, my margin of error is greater coaching a 5 star kid than a 3 star kid. I'll figure out when to go for 2.

I think King is seeing that he's not as highly sought after as he thought he'd be. QB's leaving from LSU, Oregon, etc., and none are showing him any interest.

the best transfer QB on the market

Jamie Newman already committed to Georgia though.

Really though, I'm not sure that a visit means a whole lot. King is reportedly going to visit Miami as well. Under Locksley, Maryland recruited the 47th ranked class last year and the 28th ranked class this year. Why do the same people that talk about Locksley killing it at recruiting believe that it shouldn't be an issue for VT to bring in top 20 classes annually? That doesn't match up.

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Why do the same people that talk about Locksley killing it at recruiting believe that it shouldn't be an issue for VT to bring in top 20 classes annually? That doesn't match up.

In theory, VT is a far more desirable program to play at than UMD, so we should be recruiting better than them. If we are not, then it speaks to an issue on our staff, in our locker room, etc.

That said, I think this post is confusing micro-results with macro-trends.

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You probably won't be surprised to learn that I heartily disagree. You're correct that I didn't include every piece of data relevant to this situation but even if you look at macro-results (I'd argue there isn't enough long-term recruiting data to establish macro-trends), I don't agree that the widely spread ideas about the recruiting prowess of Locksley and Mack Brown are supported by the data.

Since 2005, the average recruiting class rankings for VT, MD, and UNC have been as follows:
- VT 28.9 (Beamer - 25.6; Fuente - 36.2)
- Maryland 35.3 (Friedgen - 31.5; Edsall - 42.6; Durkin - 29; Locksley - 37.5)
- UNC 26.6 (Bunting - 37.5; Davis - 18.8; Withers - 18; Fedora - 29.7; Brown - 24.5)

The 2020 class is tanking Fuente's average but nearly everyone agrees this recruiting class was unacceptable, as has been discussed ad nauseum. If we look at Maryland, we see that Locksley is essentially par for the course. Regarding UNC, they've been fairly erratic but Mack isn't the best recruiter they've had in recent history.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

He really needs to ask Josh Jackson how transferring to Maryland works out.

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or sean savoy who moved to DB back to WR for 6 catches and 56 yards for the season and is no longer with the football team.

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Savoy's situation was not dissatisfaction with VT, but a need to be close to family. Certainly an outlier here.

oh yeah I know. I was speaking more on the "transferring to Maryland" part not why he was transferring.

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I really thought that he would end up at OU. He seems like a fit for what they want to do with the QB position.

Who? Seriously never heard of him

Former QB at Houston. Dana Holgorsen and Houston had a bad start to the season, so King took a redshirt within the 4-game allowance and said he'd come back next year to avoid 'wasting' a season of eligibility on that bad team. Well, now he's saying goodbye to Houston and transferring elsewhere.

You say this as a Virginia Tech fan...

I have a hard time reading some of your other comments for a coach that had 8 wins you would be lenient towards a coach who's team won 3 games and looked horrible. They had about 5 Duke game melt downs...

...the Maryland fan base doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm.

Are my expectations higher for Justin Fuente than Mike Locksley- a career .200 head coach? Absolutely. Should VT recruit much better than Maryland? Absolutely

Here is a comparison of MD recruiting vs VT recruiting since Fuente came on, per 247

2016: Class Rank: UMD- 41 VT-42
Average Composite: UMD- 84.23 VT 84.85

2017: Class Rank: UMD- 18 VT-26
Average Composite: UMD- 86.86 VT 86.13

2018: Class Rank: UMD- 28 VT-24
Average Composite: UMD- 86.98 VT 87.46

2019: Class Rank: UMD- 47 VT-26
Average Composite: UMD- 85.73 VT 87.39

2020: Class Rank: UMD- 28 VT- 63
Average Composite: UMD- 85.7 VT 84.83

2021: Class Rank: UMD- 34 VT- 20
Average Composite: UMD- 85.4 VT 87.88

2020 being an outlier, and the reasons have been discussed and debated ad nauseum, we are recruiting better than UMD, they got us in 2017 too, which I guess was Fuente's first full recruiting cycle at VT

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

are we looking at the same data?

i don't think you can count 2021 because it hasn't happened yet. i don't think there's a lot here to say we're significantly out-recruiting them. 2016 is a wash. 2017 they had a better class. 2018 was basically a wash. slight edge to us. 2019 we had significantly better class. 2020 they had (have?) a significantly better class.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think it's about even as far as recruiting rankings go, with us being a bit more consistent and them being a bit more all over the place with some really good classes and some pretty meh classes. That all being said the wins and losses, which ultimately is all that matters, is all VT. It's not an apples to oranges comparison since we're in different conferences but I think you can confidently say that just because Maryland is recruiting at a similar clip to us doesn't mean they are a similar program.

I also think Maryland get's a slight boost in recruiting due to their proximity to DC and Baltimore. If you look at their classes, their top recruits typically come from that area.

The D'Eriq King thing is kinda silly to me. VT has no reason to recruit him. Why does it matter that UMD is? If you want to make a point about recruiting between the schools then fine, I think that is a discussion to be had, but to use King as the main talking point to compare the two schools doesn't make any sense.

2021 is just commits to date.

I didn't say we've significantly out recruited them, just that overall we've out recruited them

Wasn't trying to argue DC's point, just putting some stats to go along with the claim

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Or he is looking for somewhere he can play next year. Roster means a lot more to a transfer than a kid out of high school.

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Yes, so why is Maryland in his top 50? They are not the only school with playing time for a 4 star, proven productive QB, trust me.

yeah, i don't even understand why they'd consider D'Eriq King when they have Josh Jackson on the roster

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Jackson is leaving

got a link to an announcement? that's news to me

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I can spot the sarcasm. JJ left because he'd been the starter, but RW filled in after he broke his leg and then there was a QB competition and he thought the job should be his (my understanding of why he left anyway). What would crack me up is if DK goes to Maryland and JJ finds himself in another QB competition when he'd been the starter, or simply relegated to the bench.

Four star?

I know you prefer Rivals when it suits your arguments but he was a 3* there too.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Haha, of course he is.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Better Maryland then Miami I suppose

i would welcome that actually - that would put them at 4 QBs (i think) that have started a college game and could throw the entire 2020 season in to QB carousel that would be incredibly entertaining to watch for any non-Miami fan :-)

Good thing we are set at QB this coming season, semi sarcastia...

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I think some guys like the idea that they could be the hero who turns it around. If you coach a shitty football team like Maryland, that's how you get guys with better options to come there. Hopefully the new staff members we hired will get a chance to show what they can do on the recruiting trail for more than one year.

I mean Pro Football Focus ranked the MD QB room as 129th out of 130 this past season. I would say he would be very confident to be the starter and get to play B1G competition. The problem will be playing B1G competition with a Maryland level of players around him. Bold strategy Cotton.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Our QB room is stacked with home grown talent we recruited and a few transfers. Why do we care about this. Maryland it more attractive especially after they played musical chairs at the position last year when JJ started to stink it up.

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