June 2020 Recruiting Discourse Thread

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Let's go ahead and get this out in the open.

UNC has a very highly rated recruiting class for 2021.

There, it's out there, everyone knows it.

Cheers to the Hokies keeping the momentum going and closing on the players the coaches have identified as targets!

I think we've seen a lot of mentions of a Tennessee and UNC's recruiting and understandably so given geographic and competitive reasons, but there's a stark contrast between each teams' class and potential at the moment.

Tennessee sits at 259.74 and 24 commits (89.73 avg). That's basically a full class. They may sign a few more for a big class but their rating is relatively locked in as you see diminishing returns from new commits at this point from a total score perspective. Their current class ranking would have finished 11th in 2020, interestingly one spot behind their own class from last year.

Their path to boosting their score would require them telling some 3*s to look elsewhere and replacing them, signing a big class (3-4 more guys maybe), or having a lot of ratings bumps.

UNC's class, however, is at 234.74 with only 15 commits and a 91.20 avg. Their class has room to grow substantially. They may fill out with 3* guys from here on, but there is room to see this score rise a good bit with a few more blue chip additions. Right now, they are building the type of class you need to have consistently to eclipse the BC ratio. 10 blue chips, to 5 3*s at the moment. I would bet a good bit of money they do not maintain their 4th ranking (current) at the end of the cycle, but they are positioned well to realistically land a top 10 class, which would be noteworthy to say the least. You don't see a lot of new faces in the top 15, much less the top 10.

Tennessee has a strong early haul, but this class isn't really out of the ordinary for them and looks to finish similarly to their previous one. Sucks to see them land former VT commit Aaron Willis and former (not for awhile now) target Katron Evans, but ultimately not strange for them so far.

UNC on the other hand is trending positively and building off a solid class last cycle as well. It will be very interesting to see how the rest of this class shakes out for them.

I should note for the sake of keeping this VT related: I'm regaining some confidence in this current class with recent commits. I think we will finish comfortably behind UNC still, but we have the opportunity to mitigate the difference between the two in the short run.

If UNC gets a top 15 class it won't be new for them. Top 10 yes.

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An interesting response since I did not claim that they have never signed a top 15 class before. However, you did spur me to put some numbers to a narrative that I've been seeing thrown around a lot in regards to being dismissive of UNC's upward recruiting momentum, in particular the last two cycles (2020 and current 2021).

Here are UNC's recent classes from 2020 backward:
19th, 30th, 20th, 29th, 32nd, 28th, 30th, 28th, 41st, 18th, 23rd, 12th (2009), 30th

That's one class, from 11 years ago, that is being used to suggest that it's nothing new for them to recruit like this.

Mack's first two full classes have been 19th, an 11 spot jump from transitional 30th ranked class, and now they sit at 4th, with room to finish in the top 10 (tbd). That is an immediate and substantial start of an upward trend. To me it is objectively clear that this is not normal for them, nor have they been dramatically out recruiting us for many years.

Your list has 3 classes in top 20 how many does Tech have in that same period in top 20?

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The answer is one, because we finished 18th in 2008. We also finished just outside the top 20 a few times like 2012 and 2013 at 21st.

However, I've never stated that they haven't had some higher peaks, but in that period we had better classes than them head to head in 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2017, and 2019. That's six of those classes where we beat them head to head, and there were several that were very close like 2010 (5 spots), 2018 (4 spots), and 2016 where we finished one spot behind UNC 29th to their 28th, and even then by 247 in house class rankings we were 26th and they were 32nd.

To me it's clear that we have both recruited in the same range for a long time. The outlier years where there were larger differences were usually transition years. Couple UNC transitions and our Beamer to Fuente transition class.

Outside of 2020, where there was an obvious large disparity between their 19th and our 75th ranked class, we recruit at roughly the same level most of the time.

The whole point of the first comment was that we not do this again. The data is incomplete and can be used for both sides to make an argument. The only way to know who is right is for it to play out. Can we just leave it at that for the time being?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Thats how VT fans judge recruiting. One outlying year is the standard and all the other years don't matter.

Gobble Till You Wobble

It's ignorant to assume that all of those data points weigh equally. The most recent few are the most important ones

Recruit Prosim

it's also ignorant to totally mischaracterize an argument

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

How am I mischaracterizing his argument? His argument is that one out of many doesn't matter. I am directly refuting that because we aren't talking about what happened 10 years ago, we're talking about something that just happened and the ramifications haven't even been felt yet.

Recruit Prosim

Is that what he's saying? Or are you mischaracterizing his point so that you can talk about something else (last year's class as a lone data point)

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Go ahead. Tell me what his statement really means then

Recruit Prosim

Because the context of the conversation was about UNC having a top-15 class being "nothing new", when it last happened eleven years ago. StineyDraw then indicated that it was a typical VT fan reaction to characterize one outlier as the norm when it comes to recruiting, likely alluding to last year's VT class, but if so, not trying to use it as a rebuttal or argument at all, just a remark about the danger of using an outlier to represent the entirety. This comment was made in the context of "the perception of UNC's historical recruiting abilities".

Then you indicated the most recent few data points are the most important ones, which either (A) was intended in the context of the UNC's 2021 class and agrees with the tone of StineyDraw's comment regarding it being an outlier or (B) was intended to shift the conversation from UNC's historical recruiting to VT's 2020 class in a vacuum. The fact you said it was ignorant made it pretty hard to think you were going with (A), which is why I suggested that you mischaracterized his argument, which I think was only cemented by your follow-up comment.

You claimed he is saying "one out of many doesn't matter" except he didn't actually say that at all. He is saying that you can't pick one data point and use it to represent the whole. Even with a recency bias in recruiting (which I think is a fair way of viewing things), we still don't have a world where UNC is pulling in top-15 classes every year and we still don't have a world to justify saying that VT recruiting is worst-in-P5.

Which is why StineyDraw then showed the VT recruiting rankings for the 17, 18, 19, and 20 classes. It's not that the 2020 class doesn't matter. It's that the 2020 class doesn't matter to so great of an extent such that the other classes don't matter at all.

Would you like any further clarification?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

What he said

Gobble Till You Wobble

This is why I voted for you to be a mod.

... But mostly for haikus, so do that more too, k?

tee jay bee hokie
mischaracterized stiney.
verdict: not ignorant

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Last 4 years of VT recruiting: 26th, 24th, 26th, 75th. It's ignorant to ignore 3 out of 4 of those numbers and say this staff can't recruit.

Gobble Till You Wobble

How bout this... If the best you can do is mid20s you can't recruit well enough to win the ACC.

Well, You can't win the damn Coastal with top 10-15 recruiting classes either cough.....Miami......cough

You can and it has happened more often than not since 2004.

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2004? How about since 2010, the last time VT won it... a decade ago?

Part of that problem is the juggernaut wearing orange and purple. At this point, if the bar is to beat Clemson and win the ACC, you might as well say the bar is to be winning a national championship.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

As far as I can tell, the main difference between Clemson and VT is that Clemson has a head coach who can sell the program and the school and who the fans and boosters seem to love. I think the term juggernaut is misleading. VT had that guy once too and did pretty well with him.

Incorrect. The biggest difference is IPTAY and their level of funding, both the money coming into the AD and how the AD distributes the funding. They are absolutely a juggernaut in that regard. Thinking otherwise is ignorant to the current landscape of college football and where VT fits in the greater picture. If you put Dabo at VT, recruiting would improve, but we would not nearly be at Clemson's level.

VT could have its own version of IPTAY, not overnight but with work and the right people guiding and repping it. Hell the drive for 25 could've been that thing. And until right around Dabo's first natty, the budgets of the two departments were very comparable.

So in my ignorance I think I disagree with your premise.

VT could but we don't. We are trying to build towards that. The overall athletic budgets were similar, but Clemson has and continues to dump a far higher portion of their budget into football than VT does

To add, CU has fewer varsity sports than VT. Per clemsontigers.com, they have 8 men's sports and 9 women's sports. Per hokiesports.com, we have 10 men's sports and 10 women's sports. Additionally, per USA Today's NCAA Finances report for 17-18, (27) Clemson had $120.5M in sports revenues and (39) we had ~$98.5M. So we are funding 3 more sports with $22M less coming in.

They also fully fund their band from donations including uniforms and scholarships, travel etc.

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Which is exactly my point... All institutional failures/shortcomings point back to one thing, leadership. Everything else is an excuse. There are 3 possible causes for what ails the VT football program: 1) Fuente isn't the right guy for the job; 2) His bosses won't commit the resources he needs to succeed; 3) both #1 and #2. Personally I think the answer is #3. The idea that Clemson is this other worldly creature that VT can never hope to compete with completely disregards the significance of leadership.

Jesus I sound like Jocko Wilink.

4) The fan base is not engrained in a culture of giving to athletics and it isn't a quick turnaround.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

A fan's willingness to participate is a function of the leadership's ability to sell a vision for the institution.

Lol that isn't just an innate characteristic. That was fostered by success and selling the program as much to the fans and students as to the recruits. I saw a video of VT students on center street before the UNC game this year and it was actually really sad to see how defeatist they were. "We suck so we'll probably lose". I don't think students have had a reason to feel that way until recently. When I was in school in 2011 I felt like we could at least compete with anyone we stepped on the field with, and we did.

How are we ever going to get kids with "we suck so we'll probably lose anyway" attitudes to donate besides either A) reestablishing success, or B) a charismatic leader that seems like he knows what he's doing to generate excitement?? I mean seriously, even just one is fine. But right now we have neither.

Edit: video I'm referencing for your viewing pleasure so you can understand the hole of apathy that you could our program is digging

https://youtu.be/A44eeGy7v0I

Recruit Prosim

LOL that you would base anything program related on that video. If there is any truly sad takeaway it is that the balance between students that love the game vs students that just get hammered on game day seems to be leaning much more in favor of the latter.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Your statement was that the only difference between VT and Clemson is Dabo. You're now changing your argument to leadership as a whole. We're not saying the same thing.

to be fair, "main difference" and "only difference" aren't perfect overlaps. It definitely helps when everyone is pulling the same direction, but Dabo's got something that Fuente apparently doesn't when it comes to getting university administration and athletics department on board with tremendous support for the football program

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This is an accurate interpretation. "Main" is different than "only."

It also seems like those shortcomings extend to the fanbase for Fuente, not that Dabo is infallible. But he's certainly been more successful where it seems to count.

Dabo = leadership

Feunte = leadership

Babcock = leadership

BOV = leadership

Clemson AD = leadership

Etc.

Not sure what the confusion is. And I'm not being snarky here but this is a message board that I'm accessing via mobile. Not a PhD thesis. I'm assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that there is a modicum of common understanding and good faith. It's impossible to be excruciatingly detailed in every comment.

the confusion is because the comment that LAHokie originally replied to said "the main difference is that Clemson has a head coach" and didn't say anything about broader leadership wrt AD, BOV, etc. when you widened the scope to clarify the intent of your comment, but LAHokie said that you were having different conversations -- which, to be fair, the scope of your point was much broader than your original comment. but i think your original comment felt much narrower in scope than what you actually wrote (" the main" vs "only")

edit: woops just saw your reply in-line to me above

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This is correct. Your original comment made it seem like you felt that if we were to hire Dabo then we would automatically become as successful as Clemson on the recruiting trail. That's what I had the issue with, because he probably only accounts for 20% of it or so.

Gotcha. Not what I was saying. I also don't believe Dabo would be plug and play at VT. This program needs the right coach for VT. Just because Dabo has been successful at Clemson, it doesn't mean he'd be successful at VT. But I'm also not seeing enough evidence that Fuente is the right guy for the job. And my broader argument is that the administration (the leadership) has failed to maximize the potential of the football program. They may have reasons. But because of their decisions, the program is underperforming and has been doing so for at least a decade (longer if you include things that never materialized in the aughts).

I don't disagree with any of that

LA I partially agree with your statement. I believe if you put Dabo2020 at VT we would be close to Clemson's level. If you put Dabo2008 then we are the same team. Most of these kids come across as if they believe the coach is 70-80% the reason why they will make it to the L. I believe Dabo2020 would put VT a lot closer to Top 10 recruiting class annually. I believe Fuente was close if he could have built on Y1.....imo

This is why it's important for us to hire a proven commodity than an up and comer

Recruit Prosim

So your top coaching choice right now would be...? Gene Chizik?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

The financial and geographic advantages Clemson has are pretty significant. They are well on their way to becoming a true blue blood.

Well on their way? They are there already.

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I am afraid that if you can't be content (at least short term) with mid 20s, you are going to be disappointed. We are not going to wish top 15 or top 20 classes into existence. It will take a bit of a snowball effect of many things to slowly gravitate that direction. And guess what, everybody else is trying to do the same thing.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I don't think that's a true statement at all

Great intentions, I'm sorry it didnt work

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I don't know where to put this, but I can see it going sideways so I'll post it in here.

Are we out on Coley? I read on another site we were either out or backing off and going harder at Bullock

Apparently Bullock has become the priority. It's unclear to me if it was a strictly we value TB over Coley situation, or if it was more of a dynamic decision based on likelihood of getting both prospects weighed against their talent. My guess is that it is the latter. I think Coley has chosen to not do any interviews recently, which could make him more difficult to get information about where and how he is leaning.

This the guy you all are talking about right? First time I saw the name wanted to add embed for anyone else lost like me.

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His measurables look favorable for use in an offense like ours where we expect our QB to be a legitimate threat and productive running the ball, or at the very least a believable decoy even if less frequently used. He seems to fit that mold very well.

Very similar high school film to Hooker imo. Not quite as dynamic of an athlete, but body type and play style are very similar

I would assume that means the coaching staff is putting more emphasis on dual threat rather than passing efficiency?

I think you can be very efficient with a QB who isn't an elite passer so that isn't where I would draw the divide. I would say we are valuing dual threat over passing accuracy.

Between Jerod Evans, Hendon Hooker, and QP I think that has been made clear by the staff. All three have provided a reliable run game, none of them were/are elite drop back passers, but 2/3 have effectively and "efficiently" executed the passing game within our offense. I think to take the next step as an offense we need a guy who can make multiple reads and is a little more developed on the passing side, but I think the offense can function at a high level with a guy who can make the one read/half field read and go parts of the offense as long as they can execute the run action effectively. I have no issue with the staff's (apparent) preference to take great athletes and try to develop them as QB's themselves.

This. Without getting too technical (mainly because I'm not football savvy enough to do so), Corn and Fu place a large emphasis on quarterbacks that can make quick, correct decisions, take care of the football, and pose enough of a running threat that the defense has to account for them.

A common misconception, however, is that they need a true "dual threat" guy. While they don't want a statue back there, they've made productive quarterbacks out of Lynch, JJ, and Willis, all of whom are not extremely gifted runners. It's more important that they are able to use the option game in a way that they are able to keep the defense honest.

Looked at his 247 page, and at first I wondered WTF Sean Glennon was doing recruiting for Rutgers

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Just watched his junior season tape, and here are my thoughts:

  • Appears to have above-average accuracy.
  • Arm strength is not particularly impressive.
  • Definitely a pass-first QB. He can run and has decent top speed, but he doesn't show much make-you-miss. His size and passable speed will be enough for our offense, but he's not a dynamic runner.
  • Has a quick release.
  • Usually gets the ball out quickly. His team ran a lot of 4 and 5 receiver sets, and he makes quick routes look like layups.
  • His pass catchers were impressive (any team that makes it to the state championship has talent). In particular, #11 (Byron Shipman) is a Holy Cross commit who looked better than the 345th best WR (per 247 comp.) in the '20 class.

As usual, I agree with LA's analysis and his comparison to HH's film. Bullock would fit well in our scheme and would be a solid addition to the class.

I care much less about a QB having made-ya-miss kinda wiggle and way more about that QB making the correct read -- if the system is a great fit and he has the tools to take advantage of making good reads, i'm all in on him

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Coley has some character concerns. Bullock is the priority

Boom, and there you have it.

this is why I like this guy.

Great info, thanks.

Looks like Tristan Bounds picked up 7 crystal balls from 247, all to Michigan this afternoon.

Interesting... I was thinking of him as one of our safer options for Tackle. However, I do not consider myself to be a good evaluator of OL talent either going from HS to college, or college to the NFL. I think this is true for most people. So I don't have any opinions on how good he will be in college, moreso that I thought we had a strong chance at him based on what I've read.

About 4-6 weeks ago, right around the time he released his top 7 list he got offers from big programs like Notre Dame and Texas. I was surprised we were the biggest program recruiting him considering his size. Not a lot of high schoolers with that size - not surprised the big dogs came in at the end.

Yep, it's no guarantee of success, but it seems to me at certain height, length, and body type combinations schools are willing to take a chance to mold you no matter what the film looks like.

yeah, every school thinks they can take someone with the right frame and mindset and turn them into a contributor.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Probably was a non-committable from us. He's not a take. We must be in on Tristan Leigh!

/s

Michigan's Twitter fanbase is friendlier and not nearly as mean-spirited.

Damnit...did Jim Harbaugh spend the night at Tristan's treehouse until he told him he'd verbal?

he did commit to UM fyi

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

OL Jaeden Roberts followed his high school teammate DD to Auburn

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

One of the guys DD was pushing to join him, and it seems it was a much easier pitch to Auburn. Apparently, they are trying to flip Shadrach Banks (A&M commit, teammate) as well.

Because of the Bounds-to-UM crystal balls, I was poking around on Michigan's 2021 commits page and they are taking 0.81-rated Dominick Giudice. I did a super epic double take complete with a spit take complete with a jaw drop because i know this guy. He's been in and out of our church youth group for years -- super smart, great kid, head in a good place, high character. He's certainly got the frame and evidently Michigan saw something they wanted enough to give him an offer and let him commit in March -- they're his only P5 offer and most of the other schools are the service academies and Ivies. I'm gonna have to shoot him a dm now and see if i can get a scoop bc last I knew collegiate football wasn't even on his radar at all

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Sounds like a high class individual. Wish him well from Hokie Nation. And remind him:
It. Was. A. Catch!

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dm has sat left on read for 3+ weeks so i am doubtful i'll ever get a reply, but i was talking to another mutual friend who said he's super happy to be headed to Michigan. He really didn't think he'd be playing at the next level, and has always prioritized his academics. FCS/G5 offer was never gonna move the needle for him, since his family is well off and he'd probably go to a NYU and not play football instead of going to Ball State, ya know? The only two things that would make him reconsider were Ivy offers or a high level P5 offer, and he got one from Michigan. has extended family connections with the university so has always rooted for them, too.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Fantastic article by Max Olson in the athletic a few days ago where 3 recruiting coordinators were asked about the current recruiting situation, and the future of recruiting. Great read, highly recommend checking out.

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I don't know about you guys, but this cycle has been particularly interesting to me on the defensive side of the ball because we are starting to see the profile and type of recruits that JHam is going for on defense. Obviously, the way we ended last cycle at DE with Wooten, Bryant, and Beadles was the first step, but we've seen this continue with Mattheus Carroll, and Tyas Martin at DT. There are still question marks around what he is looking for at the LB positions, and we probably won't get a great feel for that until we see them on the field this year. Same with safeties, and how the whip/nickelwhip/slot corner position will look in JHam's scheme. It's been fun for me trying to dissect and get a feel for what we are doing based on the type of guys we are targeting. Additionally, looking at Teerlinck's preferences and some info nuggets we've gotten about how JHam plans to do some things differently has helped inform these educated guesses as well.

I feel like all of this has been hidden by all of the negativity from other facets of our recruiting. While that has been a major discussion point this off season, our defense has been building a sneaky good class. Excited is an understatement for me.

Vroom Vroom

I really hope we can land some of our other priority defensive targets down the stretch like Donovan McMillion (rumored to be a VT/FLorida battle), DJ Harvey (West Coast pull), and another DT like Tyleik Willams. That's just a few off the top of my head, many more high level targets to keep an eye on.

I wonder if the difference in frames between Beadles/Carroll and Watson/Brown (along with Watson saying he'll be playing OLB) also points to Watson/Brown potentially being used in more of a LB role than a traditional DE role. coupled with potential scheme changes

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Very common nowadays in Nickel/Dime type looks to see 2/3 DL on the field with a stand-up OLB playing as a potential pass rush/coverage option. I think you may be onto something, so I'm looking forward to whatever French has teased about info on the new scheme.

Makes me wonder if we go back to a stud/end scheme

New crystal ball today for Tony Grimes to.... UNC.

He recently released a top 4 consisting of UNC, Ohio St, Georgia, and Texas A&M.

I've never hoped for a team to just get the piss beat out of them more than I hope for UNC to in Week 1 against UCF and Week 2 against Auburn. Will be interesting to see what happens with this class if that happens.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Early in the season would be the right time to get Auburn with all the defensive losses, but I refuse to ever bet on or against Auburn in any circumstance.

Vroom Vroom

Brenden Hill posted not too long back on his Twitter that the biggest struggle for VT's future recruiting is diversifying the school. That's a reality, not an opinion. Are we getting better? Yes. But, this is why we lost Ford, and why we lost Grimes. There are coaching staffs who can sell that they have a more diverse staff, and a location that has diversity (not sure about A&M).

And I'll end with this: if Black HS athletes want to go to a school with a Black community, school, and staff that is welcoming to them, you can't argue with that logic.

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It's not why we lost either of them. That was a convenient quote from Ford. I was saying he wasn't coming to VT even when the crystal balls were coming in. Didn't have anything to do with diversity, it was just something that sounded good

He knew he could use that to get sort of an out from in state fans that really wanted him to go to VT everybody who loves and visits VT knows we are certainly not the most diverse, now I will say we are very accepting as a school I would like to believe through my visits and interactions, however I know like anywhere there are always people who don't fit that mold

Go for it

Yep. Ford always wanted to go bigger, despite what most in the industry thought.

Yeah I don't buy any kid/athlete is choosing a sports destination based off diversity. VT's issues are WandLs. These kids today don't view VT as a spot where they can win or even get drafted. That's where VT needs to change there image. A great year next season that leads to Hooker, Farley, Turner, Ashby and Waller going 1st to 4th round changes recruiting. It can't just be 1 or 2 guys getting drafted.

Ashby ain't going 1st-4th round. Clemson won championships with ILB's like Ashby, great in college, but don't have the speed, length, and coverage ability the league wants in ILB's now. Hooker isn't either unless he gets substantially better in the drop back passing game.

Wasn't sure where to put this but the Mike Norvell era at FSU is off to a disastrous start. This stink is going to be hard to overcome not only for the current team but potentially for the rest of his head coaching tenure in recruiting.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

If you look at his twitter feed, it seems a lot of his teammates feel the same way. Safe to say Norvell has lost the locker room?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Norvell out here setting the Losing the Locker Room Any% world record. Dude didn't even make it to fall camp.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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Nate Evans committed to NC State about 6 mins after recommitting from Tennessee. Lead recruiter was Brian Mitchell. Good get for State, they don't have a lot of true corners who can play man. Just found it interesting Mitchell pulled a guy from Va Beach.

Got dropped by UT. State might've been his only option at this point in time

I think that's the UT spin, I heard his mother is sick and he decided to be closer to home.

I'm seeing that Tech continues to be the first, or only, P5 offer for a growing number of targets. This lack of P5 offers, and the fact that one player has been drafted in two years, doesn't exactly inspire confidence for either finishing as a top 35 class or Fuente being smarter than everyone else in the region when it comes to evaluation.

Yeah VT has one committed recruit without an additional power 5 offer and its our new german OL, but go on.

Not necessarily talking about commits, but guys that we have recently offered that likely profile as Plan C targets -- it doesn't inspire confidence. It's one thing when it was a clear staff eval decision with an early offer last summer and an early commitment, but it's another when those offers are coming now.

That said -- I don't really think it's accurate to say we're offering a whole slew of guys that no other P5 teams have offered, either.

And I don't really think it's a great conclusion to knock the staff for not being able to develop players. 2016 transitional class was a relative dud, and from classes after that, players either aren't draft eligible yet or would be leaving early (Keene did and was a third rounder). If we're going to focus on development, it's less reasonable to also then expect those players to leave early. (And don't forget that the 2019 potential draftees got drafted in 2018 when they left early)

I think it's probably better to look at players on the roster who are clear eval/development successes for their on field performance in O&M regardless of if they get drafted (although some inevitably will) -- Farley, Waller, Ashby, Darrisaw come to mind as 3* players with few P5 offers that have played incredibly well for us.

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Well if you had bothered to read what I actually wrote, you'll see that I said targets, not commits. It's problematic to be offering 2021 prospects, as their only P5 offer, at this stage in the game. It shows that Tech is well beyond back-up plans for some guys, and that all of the sunk time into the 2021 class hasn't paid off. Fuente himself hyped up this class as needing to be special. It's unlikely that it will finish in the top 35.

can you name three such recent offers?

Edit: I've been posting as many offers I can find in the news thread, and while there are several with low P5 offers, I scrolled through the May and June threads and only found two -- one was Taj White who now has 5 P5 offers (which would seem to change the calculus of him as an example of a "bad" offer), and the other was Malachi Thomas who is still sitting at a lone P5 offer. (all per 247) it doesn't mean there aren't more that I don't know of, but it's not like the majority of offers going out are to FCS/G5 level prospects.

edit edit: extend back through april and i find just two more: Troy Everett and Kaevon Freshwater

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Oh bother. This is so ignorant or willfully misleading that it's painful. You know players aren't draft eligible until 3 seasons out of high school, right? So only Fuente's recruits from the 2016 and 2017 classes have even been eligible to be drafted. Not to mention people were actually touting the number of P5 offers our commits had for the 2017, 2018, and 2019 classes as a major positive.

We all know the 2020 class was very low rated, and perhaps that will show on the field. It's ridiculous to bring up the NFL draft with regards to evaluating those recruits considering the class of 2020 hasn't even had a single practice at Virginia Tech yet, much less had a chance to suit up for a game.

If we're going to talk about evaluation and development of lower rated prospects, then shouldn't we use the actual data available? I'd point out that Darrisaw, Hewitt, Belmar, and Dzansi were all rated under .85 and have outperformed that. In the .88-.85 range, we've had Floyd, Deablo, Keene, Farley, Waller, Ashby, Tenuta, and Crawford. Several of these "lower rated" guys are going to be drafted. Ultimately I would be inclined to argue that the bigger problem under Fuente has been that our highest rated recruits have not developed or had the type of impact that fans hope for or expect.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I feel like when I read that I could change the years and put Beamer's name in it and be a complaint from 10 years ago.

Question. How has lord botetourt have all these really good OL prospects lately?

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Not exactly sure but big boys coming through the program with a really good coach can't hurt.

Don't wanna get into specifics but there are grumblings around our area that LB has actually given $ to players to keep them from moving to bigger schools out of state

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Don't wanna get into specifics but there are grumblings around our area that LB has actually given $ to players to keep them from moving to bigger schools out of state in Salem

FTFY

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I was wondering the same thing the other day haha

Many are homegrown (Hansen, Everrette) but recently they benefited big time from transfers. Kid that signed with LU came from Abingdon. Gunner GIvens, the huge '22 OL recruit transferred in from Covington. Hunter Rice is Coaches son, grew up in Lynchburg youth programs when his dad was at Jefferson Forest and EC Glass. They also got a few transfers from Northside recently, one signed with Coastal last year. They've always had solid youth program in Read Mountain area, add in good coach and good cycle of talent and you get a rare situation for generally small area. Long as Harless is there, they'll be above average program but as always, the talent will come and go in cycles. Now that they've established themselves as D1 factory, lots of parents will move to have their kids play there. Cost of living is cheap and area is growing. Would like LB to get Salem on schedule though. Clearly best two teams in Roanoke past 5 years but haven't played.

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Ryan Barnes committed to Notre Dame. He was listed as "warm" to VT for awhile on 247 but I'm not sure how seriously we were pursing him/how much of a shot we had.

Sadly, ND has taken their share of DB's off us in recent years. 4th rd NFL draftee Troy Pride (flip), Philip Riley a few weeks ago (ND pushed and suddenly he went from holding off committing to us because "needed visits" to committed to ND shortly after with no visit), we were on Ryan Barnes early, but once bigger options came in we fell off and pursued other targets...

They also nabbed a safety we were after, but he ultimately was the one who got his ankles clapped by Cam Phillips in that game against them.

(It was Jalen Elliot)

One of the greatest comebacks that I didn't get to watch live. I had to be in the Chicago area that weekend for personal reasons and missed out on the game. The drive back to Virginia that Sunday was great. Passed by a lot of Hokies that were still celebrating, kept my window down for drive by fist bumps.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

My dad and I talked a lot about going to that game, but ended up deciding not to. We both obviously wish we could go back and do it haha.

I went last year. We took a L but I wasn't even as mad as I thought I'd be.

I had an awesome 4-day guys weekend in Chicago. Dropped a couple of grand, drank A LOT, ate a shit-ton of deep dish pizza, had the best Bloody Mary's, great Italian food and great steaks. Tailgated in style just outside of the main entrance. Field, locker room and facilities passes, awesome game until the last 30 seconds. The flight back was full of Hokies, Burnop, Laazer and staff members and had some awesome conversations.

Pro Tip: the key to a legendary Bloody is to use Chicago style pizza marinara instead of tomato juice.

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This season, if played, is everything for the program. All signs point to a talented and experienced team returning that at a minimum should go 9-3 and win the Coastal. If that happens, recruiting will improve (including this years class) and things will probably start to turn around. The new coaches will have had time to establish relationships such as DT in the 757 etc. With 6-7 wins the recruiting doesn't improve and we are looking at a for a new coach. UNC, UT and even UMD taking over the region recruiting wise and won't be easy to get it back.

Barring an all-time level injury bug, winning 6-7 games with what we are returning is indefensible. Almost the entire defense, many of whom will be 3rd year starters, our QB, another QB with important game experience, a third QB who apparently would have started last year if he was eligible, our entire OL back + Hoffman, Tre Turner and TROB at WR with recruited talent behind them that should be ready to step up, The entire DL + a high end DE transfer Justus Reed to fill a position of need, the entire LB corps, both corners who are the highest rated in the ACC by PFF (Farley one of the top in the country, and projected 1st rd pick by some), and only replacing one safety.

This is definitely a season where it's okay for fans to set a high bar for expectations. I bet every single player and coach on the team would tell you the same thing, because I bet they have set a high bar for themselves.

Just trying to imagine what it would be like if Keene McClease Grimsley and Hazelton stayed

Boldish Prediction: We will, barring major injuries, win at least 10 games this year and that includes a win against Penn State. I think we will go 11-1 (loss to UNC) and win the Coastal.

Disclaimer: I'm never right on these things.

If you throw an inexplicable loss in there to put us at 10-2 then you will probably be closer to right than anything in the inevitable TKP preseason prediction thread in August (which I love, because I love revisiting them after the season).

Jahokie and Chris, I hope you all are right on your picks. I worry about our defense up front. Late last year the front 7 gave up a load of yards in the last 2 games, and Penn State will come in looking to run it down our throats. I hope we are ready, it would be a great signature win to beat them early in the year

I have similar concerns, but my comment was more based on the fact that we usually end up winning at least one of the games that most people peg for us as a loss in the preseason thread, and then we also lose at least one head scratcher just about every year.

Man, I feel like you are 3 years too late with these kinds of predictions haha. 11-1 seems incredibly unlikely to me. We will definitely still have some head-scratching, frustrating losses. We aren't going to completely erase all those mistakes and blunders.

Can't find a good thread to relitigate this in but does anyone have inside info on why all of our receivers left? Especially a young guy like Pinckney who was pretty much guaraneteed playing time at least by 2021

Almost everyone that left, left for some sort of personal reason. Grimsley in particular left bc his mom's not doing well.

Hazelton is the only one that's kind of side ways, going to Mizzou.

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Why'd Pinckney leave?

Pure speculation from me, but we did change WR coaches right before he signed.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Very questionable work ethic. Was encouraged to leave

Yikes, what about Patterson and Hazelton then? Any inside info on that?

Patterson is academically ineligible and hazelton didn't think he would be able to put up enough stats to attract the NFL at VT with Hooker running the show

Thats cause he committed like 3 years ago and decommitted like 2 years ago lol

With Neville decommitting we will move up to the 5 spot.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Already in the 2021 cycle the Hurricanes have lost a five-star prospect, three four-stars, and four more three-stars.

Imagine the meltdowns if we had already lost a 5 * and three 4*'s. The mods would be locking threads left and right

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I feel like the vitriol about DD leaving slightly comes from a really bad recruiting class last year, and the fact everyone thought DD was solid as a rock until all of a sudden he wasn't. A lot of the time you know when a kid is looking to leave.

We all should know by now that when talking about a 16 or 17 year old kid, no one is ever "solid as a rock", until the LOI is signed.

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So who has a new coach first? Tech or Nebraska.

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Wonder how many were holdovers from before Frost started.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Ehhhh Nebraska has high expectations, but Frost is an alum with recent success. Without researching his buyout to compare, I bet he gets at least 2 more seasons to get to 8+ wins, so maybe it's a push at best

Scott Frost, at his introductory press conference, also said 'this is going to get worse before it gets better.' Fuente did not set that expectation.

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Yes, but also look at the differences between the teams Frost and Fuente inherited. Beamer underachieved expectations after Logan Thomas's first year as a starter but at least had competitive, bowl qualifying teams. Nebraska won 4 games in Mike Riley's last season and basically inherited a depleted roster. We gave Clemson a run for the ACC title in Fuente's first season.

Based on a comment from Joe in the Neville thread, I looked up at how our 247 Composite average recruit ranking (84.90) stacks up against the rest of the P5. Its about what you think.

Right now we are ranked 53rd out of 64 schools. The five schools ranked directly ahead of us are, Pittsburgh, Duke, Purdue, Mich St, and Illinois

the schools below us are, in order, Boston College, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Kansas, Iowa State, Colorado, Wake Forest, Oregon State, Syracuse, Washington State, and Arizona.

And for those asking, our average ranking last year was 84.98, and number this year would move us up to 52nd nationally, ahead of Illinois.

I hope something changes soon and things start to get noticeably better in this phase of the game. For the most part, the teams around us in this range are all pretty bad programs who have had a sustained period of struggling in the sport. This is not the company a program of our stature needs to be keeping with the stated goals we have.

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What are the stated goals again? As far as I can tell, since the empty trophy case was removed they keep getting downgraded and the fan zeitgeist is to expect less and less. Not that it matters much these days. Football is getting harder and harder to care about, Hokie fan or not.

Contending for and winning the Coastal to have a chance at the ACC title.

The Coastal isn't going to be terrible forever. This is not the company we need to be keeping if we hope to have any chance of contending for that goal down the line.

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You're right about the company but man it's disappointing if the goal is no longer even to win the ACC, let alone something more national . Not sure how you get people who aren't already die hards to get excited about that.

The goal is to be the last team standing holding the trophy. There are certain milestones required to reach that goal, such as winning the coastal, winning the ACC, and getting through the playoffs. This likely means beating three top 5 teams in a row to end the season. Now, do you feel any better about the stated goal?

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I think football is getting harder and harder to care about throughout the US, except for a handful of schools.

I think part of it is the lack of competitive playoffs. I don't think it's working out the way they thought. It's mostly the same teams from the same conferences. Forget about a 4 team playoff. We basically have a 16 team NCAA, because most schools have about as much chance of being in the playoff as winning the lottery. Why should most fans of the other 100+ schools care much?

And then there's the money. At some point you have to ask "at what cost?" Do we finally decide $200 million is enough for an athletic budget? $300 million? It all comes across like a huge house of cards with dollar bills taped to them, and everyone is just waiting for the last card to be placed before it all falls down.

That, plus what seems like uneven "enforcing" of the rules probably makes a lot of fans feel less fanatically.

Wait, what?

Dang, spot on. Leg

I agree with this, the playoff made college football a game of the haves and have nots. The seasons of seeing an upstart come out of nowhere to challenge for a title are a thing of the past in my opinion, which hurts a school like VT from the get-go.

Playoffs didn't cause that. '96 was last "new" team to win a NC, Florida playing in the SEC. The last none top tier team to win a NC was BYU in the 1980's.

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Agreed, I would say cemented into place rather than cause it. It's always been a handful of teams with a chance, and a pocketful of wishful thinking for the others.

Wait, what?

What I miss is the prestige and importance of BCS bowls. Now pretty much all the eggs are in the playoff basket. The NY6 bowls don't really have the same feeling at all. Feels more like you just missed out on sitting at the big table.

I actually completely disagree with this. CFB has always been a top heavy sport. The season with (literally) the most parity ever - 2007 - still saw an LSU/OSU championship game.

I think part of it is the lack of competitive playoffs. I don't think it's working out the way they thought. It's mostly the same teams from the same conferences.

What Clemson and Alabama are doing now is pretty unheard of. Bobby Bowden's FSU team had 14 consecutive top 5 finishes (and 13/14 consecutive top 4 finishes). The next best runs are Miami from '86-'92, Bama from 2014-2018 (They had top 6 finishes last year and 2013), and Clemson from 2015-2019. The only time in CFB history that is similar to this? From '87-'92 Miami and FSU BOTH finished top 3.

We're witnessing a level of dominance by two schools that happens once every 30 years.

Forget about a 4 team playoff. We basically have a 16 team NCAA, because most schools have about as much chance of being in the playoff as winning the lottery.

I also disagree here - making the playoff is a lot easier than winning the playoff. Beating a top 4 team in back to back games is really difficult. That's why we've seen so much chalk in the last 6 years - a team like Michigan State or Washington has to get lucky to beat a team like Alabama twice in a row. Adding another 4-12 teams isn't going to give the 10-3 Pac-12 champ a better shot at winning the title. If anything, you'll see more chalk, because luck will play less of a role - the more talented teams (aka, teams who recruit better) will just have more depth and will win more often.

And then there's the money. At some point you have to ask "at what cost?" Do we finally decide $200 million is enough for an athletic budget? $300 million? It all comes across like a huge house of cards with dollar bills taped to them, and everyone is just waiting for the last card to be placed before it all falls down.

This is more of an ethical question, and it's why I think we will eventually move towards a more 'open' market (NIL, sponsorships, etc). We shall see what the future holds.

EDIT: JoseTheGuy informed me that I misread the OP, and upon rereading, I realized that he is correct. However, I do want to address this comment:

Why should most fans of the other 100+ schools care much?

If you go into a season saying 'National Championship or Bust' then you picked the wrong sport to be a fan of. Bill Connelly (formerly of SBNation, now at ESPN) and the now-somewhat-defunct Banner Society have done a great job of explaining this. College football is this beautiful, whacky, bizarre sports league that makes no sense. The best way to enjoy the season is to watch as fan of the entire sport, root for the most chaotic thing possible, and hope your team contributes as much as possible to that chaos.

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I think you might have misunderstood the point he was making with a 16-team NCAA. He wasn't arguing for a 16 team playoff, he's saying (which you put eloquently into words) that because of the difficulty in beating two top 4 teams in a row there's no chance for any team to think of winning other than 16 or so top tier established programs, and the reality of that situation kills the inspiration for any other team to care - so basically, there's only 16 teams in college football period.

I think the comment on the 16 team NCAA was not about expanding the playoff. It was saying that there are basically 16 teams that really have any chance of making the playoff. Based on the teams that have been in the playoff, and the conferences they come from, this isn't too far off.

If you go into a season saying 'National Championship or Bust' then you picked the wrong sport to be a fan of. Bill Connelly (formerly of SBNation, now at ESPN) and the now-somewhat-defunct Banner Society have done a great job of explaining this. College football is this beautiful, whacky, bizarre sports league that makes no sense. The best way to enjoy the season is to watch as fan of the entire sport, root for the most chaotic thing possible, and hope your team contributes as much as possible to that chaos.

I completely agree with this being the best way to experience college football, but I still believe the playoff contributed to making this perspective of college football more difficult for many people. The CFP has caused such a black hole of inward focus, demanding all the discourse revolve around itself, and the media (not a critique) knows this sport has always thrived off controversy the playoff brings the most discussion and controversy so that is where their focus has been, the fandom quickly followed suit.

I've voiced this opinion on r/cfb many times and it generally is met with substantial agreement, even from fanbases of the elite teams like tOSU, who for many have gotten to a point where winning the conference doesn't even feel like an achievement to celebrate anymore, especially if they crash out or fail in the playoff. Talking about how the Rose Bowl doesn't feel like the great achievement it once was. There will always be anecdotal exceptions and fans who speak up that it hasn't changed for them, but so much of the sport like winning a big bowl game or winning your conference has been devalued as an achievement on its own. The spirt of college football has shifted toward "playoff or bust," in a league where that's basically an impossibility for the overwhelming majority of teams.

I always applauded and leaned into how PAPN and the rest of Banner Society fought to hard to keep this perspective of college football alive.

I never really cared about the Rose Bowl because I don't really care about PAC-10/12 or BIG 10/14 football or their champions. Only difference these days is that it might be BIG 14 #2 vs PAC #1 instead of #1 vs #1.

IMO these bowls that were traditionally locked into two conferences are more interesting when there are teams coming in from all over. I guess at that point it's less about the "bowl" itself and more about the matchup, but that is not a problem for me.

If you go into a season saying 'National Championship or Bust' then you picked the wrong sport to be a fan of.

This was fine back when there were fewer bowl games and getting invited was a huge deal. It was even fine when BCS bowls were huge and playing in one was an achievement all in of itself. But now there isn't the prestige and allure of those other bowls like there used to be. Making a bowl in general means nothing. And the NY6 bowls aren't really revered as their predecessors. It's kinda a sad state of affairs for non-blue blood teams.

Interesting tidbit, Trevion Cooley committed to Louisville, a school he has not previously visited, nor one were anyone thought they were in the mix. Strange times for this years recruiting for sure. Have to think that Louisville may not hold on to this one.

Wasn't duke the favorite?

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Yup

HOLY SHIT. Dave did you see the bump 247 gave Trevion?๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

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10 point bump since his season ended and a 7 point bump since quarantine started

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He's the 8th best running back in the country now according to 247. No wonder why he didn't go to duke๐Ÿ˜‚

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yeah, he's good now!

How following VT recruiting feels every year as the recruiting classes do what they do

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

This sums up my feelings for a while. I love it!

Tyrell Raby committed to Memphis today. I think our chances to land him went to zero when Latrell Neville decommitted. Oh well, on to the next.

I'm not so sure this is framed accurately but what do I know. Hard to imagine a player with 9 committable P5 offers eschews them all for Memphis.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

When his high school teammates and family go/commit there, it's not a difficult decision for him

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I have very little desire to go back and forth on this but I don't see a single other player from his high school or city committed to Memphis or on their spring roster.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Does anyone want to help do a quick breakdown of positions of need to address in this class to this point - with the assumption that we hold onto who we have committed (unless someone has pertinent news of an upcoming decommit)? I have some thoughts below, but I have 0 insider info and do not know exactly the numbers of each position that we want/need:

1 QB - I'm assuming we are about to land Tahj Bullock

1 RB - we have Chance Black committed...I don't think we need another unless we have a shot at a high level recruit? Personally, I'd still be interested in taking a flier on a transferring Ricky Slade if there is any mutual interest.

(3?) WR - we have Jaylen Jones right now, at this point, not sure who else is a realistic get...

(1?) TE - no idea who we're targeting (Jack Hollifield?)...seems like Jordan Dingle is a long shot?

(3?) OL - we have Miletic committed

(2?) DT - Tyas Martin, are we pursuing Tyleik Williams?

(3?) DE - Mattheus Carroll, Pursuing: Naquan Brown &. Landyn Watson........others?

(3?) LB - Will Johnson and I don't know who else...Jordan Poole, but everyone seems to think he's NCST bound?

(3?) CB - does Nykelius Johnson project here? DJ Harvey & Latrell McCutchin are targets, but I would be pleasantly surprised if we landed either...who else?

(4?) S/Whip - Jalen Stroman and & Jalen Hoyle are committed

That count would be 24 commits, 25 if we were to take a second RB. Anyway, I was hoping to get a top-down view of everything and maybe garner some insight on how we can expect this class to shape up.

You can see everyone we've offered on 247's recruiting site. Also, it's only June.

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"You can see everyone we've offered on 247's recruiting site."
I am aware and I used it in helping put together what I think is an easier to read, summarized look.

"Also, it's only June."
I am aware.

I wasn't trying to create a controversy here, just trying to create some talk about where we think we'll need to address positions for the future. If this came off as some kind of complaint, then I am sorry?

Edit: spelling

It's June as in, the patience level of this fan base has been....rough lately. Leg back to you good sir.

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I think we are pursuing Audric Estime at running back heavily. I hope we land this kid he's a athletic freak i also think Chance black is criminally underrated i think he should be at least a .88 right now on 247. I think Black and Estime could be a modern day the untouchables ๐Ÿ‘€

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Someone over on 247 put together this spreadsheet of targets and updates it pretty consistently.
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This is awesome, thank you for the response!

No problem, it's been really helpful for me when someone mentions a name I'm not familiar with, helps place them on our board at a glance!

Tywone Malone is not a name I've heard before, but apparently we made his Top 10. He's a 6'4" 300lb DT who wants to play football & baseball in college.

this is awesome, thanks for sharing. I'll include it in the embeds in the monthly VT-specific crootin thread moving forward

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Did you say baseball?

Life is good.

Dameon Wilson, LB out of Kings Mountain will be deciding next week. Is down to NC State, UNC, South Carolina, and Missouri. Will be interesting to watch. If he picks NC State, does that help with Poole and McNeil? Obviously if he picks UNC, that would be a disappointment.

Looks like Jaylen Jones got a bump on 247 in his Composite and Top247 rankings - moving him to a top 500 prospect. Neville dropped in both today as well. I'm sure that many will compare the careers of the two but I'm just excited to see Jones play soon.

Jaylen Jones is a down right steal. We are very lucky to have gotten him. I'm convinced, if one of RVA's private schools paid him to play there (as rumor has it), He'd have ended up elsewhere. Sticking with the coaches and kids that got him where he's at today, a true "home" mentality. He's the kind of guy we want at Tech, and I really hope he's successful here.

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Intangibles!

There's no glory in practice and lifting but without practice and lifting, there will be no glory!

Yep. Very good player. Reminds me a lot of Boykin.

No hand jokes please

Wasn't sure what thread to post this on and apologies if this has been discussed before but I wanted to bring this up. The #1 juco recruit of 2020 & Oklahoma signee Perrion Winfrey coming out of HS had only one power 5 offer and that was from Virginia Tech. Another example of the coaching staff being able to spot an unheralded recruit that other programs passed up. Obviously we didn't land him and who knows if he will actually produce at the higher level of play but definitely goes to show you can never count out some of these low 3 star guys we offer/sign. I'm all for going after the big dawgs but boy do I love some hidden gems!

Wasn't sure what thread to post this on

This one.

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

I get the impression this staff is good at scouting players; the concern is about landing those players.

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Couldn't find it already posted, but D.J. Harvey announced a Top 3 of Virginia Tech, Cal, and Oregon - and moved his announcement date from November 21st to September 18th. He said he is almost positive but he wants his parents to see campuses first, which is key because his commit date is about a week after his official VT visit. Harvey is a 3* composite, 4* on 247's internal rankings.

Robert Johnson, a DE from Pennsylvania (same high school as Nasir Peoples and Raheem Blackshear), but us in his Top 10 - Cincinnati, Arizona State, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Indiana, Syracuse, Temple, Virginia Tech, Nebraska and Virginia. He also announced a commitment date of July 27th. He is a 3* composite and 3* Top247 but has been rising of late.

Would be surprised if Harvey waited that long

Me too

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The Ricky Slade thread was closed, and wasn't sure if it was more discourse or news, but looks like he is going to ODU.

probably more discourse since he landed somewhere else

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This was also his father.

I keep seeing post about my guys intentions. If it ain't come from him or me don't believe it ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚. Ricky has not committed anywhere yet.โ€” Ricky Slade Sr (@Team_Slade) June 19, 2020 " />

Well, this is interesting. It was posted by College Football Rankings on Twitter. Seems crazy to think they would post it if it wasn't the case.

Ah, recruiting drama.

Agreed! Anything for clicks these days.

If he ends up at ODU does this mean Penn St is wasting/ruining talent? You know if he would have come here, flamed out, and ended up at ODU, it would mean the end of Fuente's chances of ever recruiting a top RB.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Well they have a stable and we have none. So there is that. I'm dying to find out!

(Of blue chip RB recruits)

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This was posted in the recruiting news thread by Hokie Fireman but probably fits better here. Not surprised to see this and probably wouldn't be too surprised if there are more following these two. There seems to be a pretty large contingent of people university-wide who feel the same way, probably mostly due to Falwell and how they don't feel like he's representing the school in the way his father intended things to be run. My sister, who's a student there, along with plenty of alumni that I know feel this way. I'm sure there are plenty involved with their athletics who are in the same boat.

Tayvion Land was a 3-star (0.8757) coming out of high school and Kei'Trel Clark wasn't rated.

It's interesting to me that people are just now thinking this about Liberty. Falwell isn't exactly shy about his opinions.

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I think it's been a pretty steady thing. The fact that there hasn't been much backlash at all is probably a reason for this. Regardless I'm glad to see people taking things more seriously now.

In the current environment I don't see how Liberty's recruiting window is much wider than 'players who want to play FBS football and have no other offers on that level'.

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This isn't already their recruiting pitch? That's really the only thing they have going for them besides $$$.

Tank Land was a VT commit too, I think, early in high school when he was a four star. Remember him being on the smaller side.

yeah, there's a big long saga in there involving Tajh Capeheart and UMD. did not end well for Land

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yeah, there's a big long short saga in there involving Tajh Capeheart and UMD. did not end well for Land

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I mean it was definitely a big long saga because it spans several years and involves multiple universities and coaching staffs and drama with his high school.

Started with him getting a committable offer from Beamer's staff that Fuente didn't think should be committable (because he stayed 5'8") but honored and Land committed in summer 2016. (for the class of 2019!) Then the Capeheart Fiasco happened (they were hs teammates) and Land decommitted from VT as a direct result in Feb 2017. He eventually tried to commit to Tech, but Fuente's staff evidently walked the committable offer back because he had decommitted. He committed to UMD, then flipped to Liberty the day before signing day with chatter from the UMD side being that his offer wasn't committable and he got processed.

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Speaking of Capehart, wasn't there some scuttlebutt during his recruitment that he would not pan out on offense and his future was on defense. Just saw that UMD did in fact move him to defense.

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I was trying to make a joke, and guess I failed.

I remember when he was a freshman and was like a 4 or 5 star. Then he tumbled down the rankings because he never got taller.

Oh lol short joke

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The world will end if he ever picks off a Hokie QB. I hope Tapp turns into our version of Dre Bly though.

a lot of smoke for UNC, but I just feel like Grimes is going to do something commit wise to fake everyone out and not choose UNC. I don't know, maybe it wishful thinking.

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757 is physically closer to UNC than it is to VT, so I'm not sure that it's really our back yard.

I almost said the same thing but some will only interpret it as another excuse and go off the deep end. While I absolutely believe we should be able to pull more high level recruits from the 757, it's also worth noting that it's not ideal that an area we're calling "our backyard" is 1.5 hours closer to Chapel Hill than Blacksburg.

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I think both of you understand that calling the 757 our backyard is figurative based on our programs history of pulling great players out of that area, particularly in the past when it was a more dense talent hotbed.

I don't know a single VT fan, or even people who aren't fans of VT but are familiar with college football as a whole that don't understand there is an association between VT and the 757, even if it has lessened recently.

While I don't think it's a sky is falling moment, I do believe it's fair to lament a 5* corner from a historical VT recruiting bed, a position for which we pride ourselves (DBU), burning us in favor of a division rival who is not a historic power. Their geographic proximity was not relevant to the point, that if we are being honest with ourselves, Alum was making.

Isnt the list of 757/948 kids who have gone to UNC pretty impressive since the 1990's also?

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Perhaps, it was a very talent rich area in the 90's/2000's. However, I've never heard people discuss UNC and the 757 as having a notable long term association, obviously they got some big names like Ronald Curry. Instead I've heard national cfb talking heads and fans of other fanbases acknowledge the 757 to VT connection throughout the years.

That's because the talking heads realized that the 757 had some really good players and weren't a traditional recruiting ground for the "big dogs". They made sure to publicize the connection to shine a light on the area and remove one of our "secrets" to success. It worked. Even though the overall talent level in the 757 isn't what it once was, and likely will never be again due to a number of factors, the well has been poisoned for VT.

Bill Dooley did a great job of getting talent from the 757 to UNC in the 70s and early 80s. He won a lot of games and some acc titles with talent from tje 757. When he came go tech, he recruited the hampton roads players and many started heading our way. Unc still picked up some in the area including Lawrence talyor , but that's when the 757 started trending to tech. Beamer obviously kept that going when he took over for Dooley.

I agree it would be preferable to have him at VT but honestly I'd rather have it over and done with than end up being the bridesmaid come decision time. Also if I'm being honest I would find it less jarring than UVA pulling multiple 5* recruits from the 757 but we saw that happen anyway.

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True, Dre Bly put up a fence and what not.

He's been trending that way recently. Some team specific and national guys all CB'd him to UNC over the last few weeks.

I thought we gave up on Grimes because his father is super extra/difficult. Or was that fake news?

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Well, that and we didn't make his top-howevermany list.

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As of today - I feel very good about these next couple months for the Hokies.

Very good shot to land Tyleik, Naquan Brown, DJ Harvey, Landyn Watson, and McMillon. Poole is stretch but viable, and Gilliam is the biggest reach of the group.

That's all with not counting Hollifield or Huggins-Bruce as viable remaining higher-tier targets as well. Even if we go 40 - 60% with those 9 we will be adding 3-5 high quality players in the coming months.

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Poole isn't much of a stretch. Doubt we hit on Naquan and highly doubt we see Watson in the boat.

Real tough to miss out on Naquan since there's a lot of chatter that if it isn't LSU (and it probably won't be), it's between us and Pitt. I do NOT like Pitt pulling players from VA.

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Some chatter that we (and others) may have cooled somewhat on him, but I don't know if we are really in a position to do that, unless there are realistic targets out there that TnT like more.

They definitely like Nelson, Jackson, and Anderson as much if not more than Brown. All of them are very realistic

Cole Jackson, Javon Nelson, Deontae Anderson?

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With the young DE's we have and a couple of others targets - I'd gladly swap Poole for those two.

Naquan reminds me of Dadi Nicolas - and Dadi was great but it took him 3-years to see the field consistently given his size. Bryant, Wooten, Beadles, and Carroll all have a clearer physical path to see the field in 1-2 years. Bailey can also likely play in or out a bit and if they use Barno as a hybrid he adds rush depth.

I also forgot about Audric Estime who is another viable option and would be a great add.

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I think it's 50/50 for Poole right now

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Question: We "lost" Eugene Asante last year to UNC. If you could pick, who do we like better? Asante or Poole? Just curious how they stack up side to side. Seem like they are both Mike LB's.

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poole, because either he picks us or a school we don't play every year

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Personally I like Asante more, but Poole is a very good player

Can't embed it on mobile but Ricky Slade to ODU is official.

Family stuff or was that really the best he could do?

But this isn't from his dad?? How are we supposed to believe it?

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Welp, I'm sure it will work out just as well for him as it has for other folks who have transferred there.

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Two thoughts:

First, it's somewhat humorous b/c his circle was touting previous reports of him going to ODU as not knowing what was going on.

Second, did we not offer him a spot? Surely we could have either added one more (I mean at this point, what's one more RB) or "processed" another RB that was unlikely to see the field and didn't have the upside of a state-produced previously 5-star rated all purpose back. Did the coaches kick the tires and not like what they see? I have a hard time believing that he would be a net negative if replaced him with Cole Beck or someone else that hasn't ever seen the field. No offense Mr. Beck (that works on multiple levels)!

And before anyone mentions it, I know he has a previous relationship with the ODU coach but I would hope if we were interested we didn't back off b/c of ODU.

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We did not offer him a spot. Family reached out to VT but it was a "no". Slade's family dogged VT in the past and played a part in kumah leaving, which has since hurt us in recruiting (Ford, Asante). Hopefully it's a lesson to the kid that he shouldn't burn bridges

Good info, thank you. I had no idea that he/his family drug VT through the mud. I now have more follow up questions to your post.

I missed the specifics at the time but what did they do, take general parting shots during the recruiting process on their way to PSU or was it something more specifically focused at VT coaches, program, etc...?

What did they do to encourage EK to leave?

Did they act as negative recruiters to Ford and Asante or was it just fallout from the EK situation.

I hope he finds at ODU whatever he and his family were expecting for him at PSU. Burning bridges backfires more often than it succeeds form what I've seen in my field. Also, I wonder if the family still feels the same as they did about VT. I know that Dwight Vick is close to the family but I haven't heard the issues about them dogging VT. Dwight mentions mentoring Slade so I am surprised to hear such animosity from the Slade camp.

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I too have many questions. At one point Dwight Vick was not happy with the way the current staff took to former players, and he was very vocal about it on twitter.

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Lots of talking to local recruits about how VT wasn't big enough for them, actively talking down to VT on Twitter, etc. Got in Kumah's ear about leaving VT. Negatively recruited Asante and Ford 100%. Conversations Asante has with Kumah we're basically the main reason he didn't come to VT

Well in that case I hope he enjoys telling ODU how big of a recruit he was a few yrs ago. Wonder how his camp feels about PSU now? Petty AF and I probably would take a pass on him given all that. I would have liked to hear that call when his people reached out to VT. Hope we took the high road on that one for future recruiting sake.

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But I thought Kumah posted a screenshot of some DMs with Asante and was absolved of any negative recruiting?

Seriously though I always thought it was funny he showed a couple messages and acted like that was the entire story when you could see the scroll bar went way further down from there.

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We all know that there was more said between the two

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Just curious...are there programs out there that have a "general manager" in the same vein as a NFL team's GM?

Is the quarantine/dead period(s) helping level the playing field for us vs "big dogs"? Is our staff built for recruiting in this climate? (few, if any visits, less in person evals) As it appears, it could continue for a good while. What do yall think?

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I don't think it helps us because we don't have a big staff that can stay in contact with recruits like the bigger schools.

On the flip side, keeping visits down helps us since recruits will only get a few OVs this year. They'll have to make them count.

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A huge need for this class I haven't see any discussion on is OL. We got two last class, and only have one that redshirted last year. That's 3 underclassmen at the end of this season.

I'm thinking we need at least 3 maybe 4 more guys plus Miletic to round out the class.

I agree, but with as many younger linemen we still have, it's gonna be hard to press playing time.

Right now we will have 4 Srs, 4 Jrs, 3 Sophs, and 1+ however many else OL in the 2021 season

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Also Bailey from 2020 class may end up as an o-line guy meaning there was 3 in 2020 class.

Sure, but a guy like Tristan Leigh can come right in and start at LT after Darrisaw.

I feel like OL is such a hit/miss position, you need to take 4-5 OL every year regardless of what your current numbers look like.

The 247 guys talked about this on a recent episode of their podcast. They said that OL is a position that you don't want to offer without seeing recruit perform at a camp; film alone isn't enough to grade (most) linemen, and that when scouting OL you like to put them through a lot of very specific drills.

They said they thought it was wiser to wait until there's chance to see someone in person than offering an unknown quantity

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Chris Adams out of Hagerstown is a name to keep an eye on.

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For reference since I had not heard that name before

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The lighting for his picture is terrible though.

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Big concern for me this class. I think Bailey ends up at OT sooner rather than later, but we need 4-5 this class and we do not sit well with a lot of top targets at the moment

I noticed the dead period has been pushed back to August 31st. I imagine this can't bode well for a normal season. Does anyone have actual insight?

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Everyone is doing their best to make plans right now, but once insurance comes to the table, it can all fall apart quickly. I'm slowly hearing rumblings of this through my educational clients.

I am starting to hope the NCAA tells everyone to keep their current schedules and just add a year to the date and everything in place just gets pushed back a year rather than a partial season or starting and then ending early like the ACC tournament. If the NCAA cancelled March Madness, they could push back the football season one year.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Not sure if you're being serious or not, but basketball is different from football in this regard - The NCAA runs the basketball post season. They do not run the football post season. Furthermore, the NCAA does not run the regular season for either sport.

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I am being serious, I know the NCAA is toothless, but if they said they are not sanctioning any football games this year, would games be played? Aren't all the conferences members of the NCAA and therefore under its auspices?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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aren't all the conferences members of the NCAA and therefore under its auspices?

The bold part is incorrect. A lot of people think that conferences are like State Governments and the NCAA is like the Federal Government - that's incorrect. In reality, it's like the conferences are a bunch of nation states, and the NCAA is like the UN (with much less noble goals).

At the end of the day, the UN represents its member states. Same with the NCAA.

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I'm thankful that our coaching staff has-so far at least, knock on some damn fucking wood-not had any players come forward with issues pertaining to racial abuse or putting players through rigorous mental and physical hazing. Hazing is the best word I can use here.

I don't know how I'd feel as a parent knowing my kid's meal card had been wiped clean cause a coach got mad at my son. Or be a prospective parent, and just scratch Iowa right off the list.

EDIT: I didn't want to post the article, b/c it would take away from the conversation we are having about our own coaching staff. Fuente, for all he appears to be in public, gets along with our players, and they trust him. We had locker room cancers that are now gone. We had high level recruits go prima donna on us. For all the bad recruiting juju we've been getting on high profile targets, we should at least commend him for not doing his players dirty. The same can be said for his players from Memphis and TCU. Maybe it's the Gary Patterson in him.

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For those, like me, wondering what this was in reference to (I had to look this up): https://247sports.com/Article/Iowa-football-Akrum-Wadley-living-nightmar...

Snippet:

"I wish I never played for the Iowa Hawkeyes," Wadley wrote. "I would not encourage any future athletes or parents to send your kids to go play for the Iowa Hawkeyes under that current coaching staff...

"My hope is my story and those of my teammates save others from the experiences, truths, and mistake of playing under and for a coaching staff at Iowa that did and said nothing to stop the bullying and racism from happening to us under Chris Doyle, Brian Ferentz, and Kirk Ferentz. What you see on TV isn't what you get behind closed doors."

Wadley alleges that Brian Ferentz repeatedly made jokes about him committing robberies whenever he was seen wearing team-issued clothing that was colored black. He also states that the coach berated him over a parking space as well as publicly wished for one of his own players to be hurt during practice.

Wadley alleges that he and other teammates were "targeted" by coaches "to the extreme regarding not making Iowa's required weight."

"I was threatened by Kirk Ferentz that my meal card would be taken away and I will not eat nor be able to sit with my teammates during eating sessions. He did follow through on his threat. I went to use my meal card and it was declined.

"I had to call my mother from New Jersey at 10 or 11 pm at night because I was hungry to order Dominos Pizza for me. Or I would have to go to a fan's house earlier at night to eat because there was no way I was going to be able to make it through the next day vomiting, being weak, and be able to make it through school and practice that day."

Pretty nasty stuff.

If this is true then how does he still have a job?

I mean what in the F!

So....just the robberies was racist?

I think you missed the point? Yes that's racist, but this is blatant mental and physical abuse by coaches that you are supposed to trust with your wellbeing.

Yep, I did. I didn't know that this was hazing and racism. My bad.

All good. +1

let's just nip this in the bud here -- OP clearly mentioned two things: racism and hazing. Stuff like Clemson, Ok St, or Ole Miss for the former, stuff like Iowa for both

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Gotcha, I thought the Iowa issue was only racism.

Hazing, sure, it's there. Probably not a lot more than normal schools from that telling, but it's there.

The other stuff I heard about Iowa was more racist. I don't remember what it was but it was more than this.

A couple of things.

1. Quod The Fuck

2.

Or I would have to go to a fan's house earlier at night to eat

Doesn't this constitute an improper benefit,forced upon the student-athlete by the coach?

3.

I was threatened by Kirk Ferentz that my meal card would be taken away and I will not eat nor be able to sit with my teammates during eating sessions. He did follow through on his threat. I went to use my meal card and it was declined.

If we're to continue to believe that the just compensation for student athletes is the value of their "free" education and the room and board that goes along with it, doesn't this constitute wage theft?

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So how are we feeling about the Naquan commitment tomorrow?

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It might come back to bite us in the ass, but I cannot disparage Fuente not taking a 6-1 200 lb DE who runs the 40 in over 5 seconds.

Granted, it's never a good thing when the DE is having to run 40 yards, but that coupled with the lack of size just doesn't seem like a good take.

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A. Glad it's not Pitt if it's not us.

B. I wish we were getting him because i think with a few years in the program and developing physically, he could be a solid player, but his 247 rating dropping to a .88 kinda reinforces my thought process that he is a project and not a top 100 recruit. Surprised LSU is taking a chance on him, but i guess when you recruit really well consistently, it doesn't feel as risky to take the chance on a kid that my take time to get there physically.

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His physical numbers just don't check out to me. His film is impressive, but he seems too small to play DE and not explosive enough to play LB. We will see though.

I love the plugging of #TX2VT, are we still recruiting anyone from there?

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Tony Grimes to UNC.

Mack Brown and Dre Bly are killing it. UNC is going to be a problem.

I guess we get to see if Dre Bly can actually coach now.

Still think he can't recruit?

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I never said that, what I said is I'd like to see how he recruits Charlotte when he has to recruit kids he doesn't have a prior relationship with or are not his nephew (Downs). So good on him for building that 757 fence

Lets just have the grimes/unc conversation tomorrow in the new discourse thread to save the load times

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lets just put it in the june one so I can never have to look at it in the july

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Like its not going to come up every other day.

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Something something something UNC will dominate the coastal something something something UNC has always recruited like this something something something Mack Brown can't coach and they're going to be a bunch of bums. I think I just saved everyone 100 comments.

The number of hurricanes were likely to see considering how 2020 is going so far is going to be so high and we all know how well UNC play in hurricanes

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