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The recruiting momentum seemed headed in the right direction, this is a little bit of a gut punch.

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Just wait. There isn't a team out there that isn't going to see a lot of decommits. Most of these kids have never set foot on campus. The problem is if say anOSU loses one 4 star they replace with another. Tech ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Isn't a team out there might be strong, but I agree that there will be a record number of decommits this cycle.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This was the DT from Arkansas right? I think we will see more of these as this year will be a blip of kids wanting to be closer to home. I just hope a certain RB recruit starts to think Columbus (soon to Flavortown??) is starting to look too far from home.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Ive said this on other threads, but nothing reminded me about wanting to be close to home more than living 1200 miles from family during a pandemic

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Henderson is not coming to VT he's made that pretty clear and even thrown shade at us along the way

Go for it

Idiot Twitter fans have given him a reason to

Lowkey shade that his announcement was a photoshopped OSU jersey onto his photo in Lane Stadium

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Well, at least he got our name right? /s

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Makes me suspicious. Must be some other school's PR firm.

/s

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Judging by his Twitter feed he just attended a camp last week.

After posting a video of our schedule two weeks ago.

I'm guessing he picked up some attention from a big name SEC program or two, I don't know man.

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Losing our top ranked recruit for the 3rd time in one offseason is pretty shocking. It's hard not to get a little doom and gloom with the state of recruiting right now, feels like a good time to take a break from this stuff.

Who am I kidding though I'll be right back

Losing our top ranked recruit for the 3rd time in one offseason is pretty shocking

I dunno, watching talented guys we wanted go elsewhere seems to be a pretty regular occurrence for us.

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Big difference between "we didn't secure a commit" and "we couldn't keep the commit"

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Agree, this seems to have regularly enough to the point I'm starting to think, "who's next?".

Need some good news soon, preferably engraved in Hokie Stone!

Yep. Any objective look into our recruiting process/big picture there shows a huge problem. Again, if the goal is to be a conference champ/major football school. Recruiting 2-3 star players, system guys, diamonds in the rough, and relying on the portal is cool if you are Wake Forest football.

Lost 3 of our top recruits and replaced them with capable but not nearly as highly rated recruits.

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4th if you count Aaron Willis

Totally forgot that name even existed tbh

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This increases the urgency of landing Tyleik Williams substantially. I would have much preferred to land both. I think Tyas flashed potential on film.

This is getting as dependable as the stock market.

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Uhh, it would appear that you do, Coach.

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Watching the pendulum rapidly swing from 'Promote Beau and give him a raise because we can't afford to lose him' to 'Beau is incompetent'.

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I say thanks but no thanks, found a prettier girl, a flashier car, a bigger program so I'm gonna drop you like a hot potato, and I'll tell you nicely, but I tell (not ask) you to respect my decision. Hmmm, I'll consider your demand, and have no choice but to accept your decision young man, but respect? Might not be too easy for me. Will I wish you best of luck? Yeah, I'll do that whether I mean it or not. That I can do easily.

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So I wonder if any of those in the know think this means we have had some other options recently present themselves which makes the D-Line a more congested position?

I keep seeing folks saying to wait for it, even some of the players, but then stuff like this happens.

I guess we just have to be prepared for one hell of a roller coaster ride till ESD & NSD.

Any chance he decommitted because we might be getting another comitt at that position?

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I really doubt this staff would be in a position to walk him from our end

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I don't think given our current depth at DT that we would turn a Recruit like this away even if we had the top DT in the country signing next week.

Hewitt and Crawford are both SR's--no reason we couldn't take multiple DTs.

Likely got enticed by "bigger" offers and/or closer to home.

Always been one of my worries with the #TX2VT strategy---we really have no inroads or history in that part of the country, think it's starting to show with inability to keep these guys committed.

Always been one of my worries with the #TX2VT strategy---we really have no inroads or history in that part of the country, think it's starting to show with inability to keep these guys committed.

I don't disagree with this, but I would add that betting big on an out of state strategy could not have come at a worse time. The ability to bring in these prospects, together, for informal visits/spring game/etc. could have helped a lot - and that is just not a possibility at this point.

Agree that you can't really blame coaches for not anticipating COVID, but...

1) while we are not having visits, ect, neither are any other schools at this point. i.e. Tyas didn't de-verbal because he visited another campus and couldn't visit us. Its something that every program has to deal with at this point. I could make an equally persuasive argument that it would be even harder to keep these types of players on-board if they were taking visits to other schools, since the common thought here is that one of VTs major shortcomings is facilities that are not on-par with most SEC and B1G schools

2) when you look at the huge amount of talent there is this year in NC and GA and the fact that we did have very good results with #NC2VT just 2 years ago, the push for TX2VT seems.....high-risk and so far hasn't produced any real rewards in '21. At this point, other than Watson, I am not aware of any other TX recruits we are really in-play for and Watson is looking questionable at best at this point.

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while we are not having visits, ect, neither are any other schools at this point

Didn't we "unofficially" host Donovan McMillon and Tahj Bullock in the last month? I presume other schools are doing the same and it's probably a lot easier if you're in driving distance.

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Very safe assumption. The student drives to campus, has no contact with the staff, but my understanding is they lay out the tour in various ways so the recruit can at least see the campus and get a feel for it (lots of zoom/facetime vids). Being within driving distance is a major bonus in this COVID environment.

Worth noting that our coaches have those inroads even if the program historically doesn't.

Also probably worth noting that Tyas Martin isn't even from Texas

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yes, he is from Arkansas....which is a border state to Texas. Which is why I said in my original post "in that part of the Country."

We have ONE coach with direct ties to TX. Fuente is from Oklahoma, but since he has been at VT (Prior to the 2020 class when the #TX2VT tag first appeared), he has signed one High School player from TX, a LB in 2016 who quickly left the Roster. Not exactly suggesting deep ties there.

But thanks for reducing my comment to minutiae.

Not sure who the linebacker is (can't seem to find him on 247), but Jerod Evans, Alec Bryant, Robert Wooten, and Evan Fairs are all from Texas. Outside of Michael Brewer and Moses Malone's son, we haven't really had anyone from Texas before Fuente.

Plus you have a guy like Keene who I am almost positive was our first recruit signed from Colorado.

Should have made more clear...did not consider Wooten or Bryant since TX2VT started in 2020.

But Evans was a JC player--whom was recruited to Memphis before Fuente was at VT and Fairs is a portal transfer. I am speaking of High School players whom we have recruited.

Again, I'm not trying to say that trying to expand your Recruiting profile is completely without merit, but in particular to the 2021 Recruiting Class, it seems evident that we have not accomplished much in the Lower Midwest/Texas area and its very difficult not to wonder how things might look if we had devoted more resources to larger talent pools closer to BBurg.

confused why Bryant and Wooten wouldn't count -- they're class of 2020 and both committed after DD and signed

Edit: totally agree that TX2VT was a big swing and a miss in 2021, even if we do land one when all is said and done

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I said it was worth noting and it is. People are being quick to turn it into a(nother) referendum on recruiting Texas.

Fuente is from OK and coached 5 years at TCU. Cornelsen coached 4 years in OK. Lechtenberg was a GA at TCU for 3 years. Beau went to UNT, was a GA there, coached in OK and at Katy HS. Vice is from OK and played at OKST. Hilgart coached at UTEP. Shibest played at Arkansas and coached there for 7 years and was a GA at OKST.

If Tyas Martin from Arkansas is an indictment on the spirit of TX2VT then you have to acknowledge that our staff does have ties to that region. And it's not just one guy.

Edit: some more context that it's a change of approach to exploit current ties rather than trying to force inroads that didn't exist

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Man, I hate to be one of those old people yelling about the importance of the word 'commitment,' but I must say, I don't understand the purpose of publicly saying you're going to do something, then publicly changing your mind, and then not providing an explanation. Covid has definitely complicated things, but I'm still genuinely curious about what's going on. Is Fuente giving kids an ultimatum too early? Are kids just using a VT offer to signal to other schools? Are we just offering kids too early? Or is this just the norm?

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Seems like it's becoming more and more the norm.

Though it does sting a bit.

Commitment - equals holla back girl- , when something better comes along, see ya. We have been used as a side chick for a while- while waiting for a better offer. Hopefully winning will get rid of this stigma.

I think you're right. Nothing winning wouldn't cure.

But it is time to do that.

I don't understand the purpose of publicly saying you're going to do something, then publicly changing your mind, and then not providing an explanation

It's because there are no repercussions for reneging.

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Exactly. And they always say "respect my decision." Is this something I can start saying in the everyday world and its acceptable?

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Going to text my boss the next time I take off from work, "After much consideration, I have decided to not come into work and reopen my schedule for today. Please respect my decision."

I hired a girl out of college and was all set for her starting in May. In April she rescended her offer and noted "respect my decision". I was like WTF is this?

Side note, she was from FSU. VT actually has a top program in my field and can't hire anyone that is a Hokie.

Please tell me she sent you a screen shot of aN iPhone notes message and had low battery life too.

Haha no. She at least wrote it in an email.

Depending on where you are and where she is, in today's climate, I might be able to understand not wanting to commit to a job in May. But the "respect my decision" is just strange for that email.

This was actually a year or two back.

She actually ended up moving up to the same area, just with a different firm. It is what it is.

I also tried to connect with her on LinkedIn, as our industry is pretty tight knit, especially in DC. She didn't do so.

Seems she hit the transfer portal, as she is now with another firm doing something non-design related.

If I ever got one of those 'respect my decision' messages in an email after someone screwed my company over like that, I would put a note on the account to make sure we never work with them again.

Like, yeah, sure I accept the decision that you've made, but respect it? Nah that's not how the game works.

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They aren't hired til they sign a contract. And our contracts have some sort of penalty to go along with the signing bonus. Be an adult? Get more money. Screw me? Pay me for our time wasted.

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Sure, but I've had people accept jobs and then back out.

No legal penalty, but doesn't raise my opinion of them. Mostly I just don't think about them any more.

It's like saying with all due respect. Gives you a blank check to be an asshole.

It's like saying with all due respect. People seem to think it Ggives you a blank check to be an asshole.

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It's a "game", it's big business, it's their path to a college scholarship and the NFL... they "commit" to schools more and more often to simply sell themselves to a better program- garner more interest. An uncommitted player- unless he is a top 20 blue chip- is a red flag the later you get in the recruiting "game". If you "commit" to a P5 school, you must be a P5 player, right? It's about selling themselves, not integrity or keeping their word.

An uncommitted player- unless he is a top 20 blue chip- is a red flag the later you get in the recruiting "game". If you "commit" to a P5 school, you must be a P5 player, right?

I don't understand why a commitment matters more than an offer? Does committing send a different signal to SEC West U coach than an offer would?

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one way that makes sense to me is if the P5 program accepts the offer, then that may send a message that the individual was good enough to take early on vs later in the cycle when teams are trying to round out their classes

So your saying that SEC West U coach assumes the offer is not 'commitable' (which suggests that the player is not that good) until the player publicly commits, at which point SEC West U coach believes that the player is worth recruiting?

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(my statements are based on this actually being true and I'm bored I have no idea if this is how recruiting works or not)

I think its a way for fringe players to move themselves up recruiting boards. If you're not committed anywhere coaches don't have to put as many resources on you, and can wait you out while they go for other higher players. Once you commit I would think coaches have to make a decision to put resources on you to try and swing the flip sooner than later because I feel other schools will be doing the same for said fringe player once committed. I doubt coaches are calling/telling each other if offers to certain players are commit worthy or not.

If you're not committed anywhere coaches don't have to put as many resources on you, and can wait you out while they go for other higher players.

Doesn't this seem completely opposite of what would be logical?

I would guess it's more like coaches have a "big board" and work from the top down. As they miss on targets, they move on down the board and if a recruit happens to be "committed" to another program but hasn't shut down his recruitment, then they allocate resources and go after him. In this sense, the staff typically ends up targeting an increasingly narrow number of recruits as signing day approaches and thus focuses more resources on the guys who make it known that they are still looking around.

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I legit said i don't think this is how recruiting works, but i was bored and wanted to jump in on a convo i found intriguing. Logical? Is that a word that can be used to describe recruiting?

Honestly, I think we are saying the same thing, but you're Talking about it from a coaching perspective and I am talking about from a recruits perspective. From a possible recruits mind- If they aren't happy with the speed "commitable" offers are rolling in they verbally "commit" somewhere and their hope is that it could move them up said coaches big board. With the recruit thinking they are causing a sense of urgency because if "dream school" doesn't act they may miss out if they wait to keep crossing off names above them.

If they aren't happy with the speed "commitable" offers are rolling in they verbally "commit" somewhere and their hope is that it could move them up said coaches big board.

This is what I don't understand. Why would committing to School A make a recruit more desirable to School B? I understand why an offer would do this; if the Coach B didn't have time to scout the kid, then an offer from School A my indicate that the kid is worth scouting. But I don't understand how a commitment changes anything that an offer wouldn't?

Logical? Is that a word that can be used to describe recruiting?

Recruits are incredibly illogical. However, coaches approach recruiting logically. They may by hampered by limited resources (compared to the number of recruits out there) but they're not behaving irrationally.

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Purely assumption, but my guess is that the borderline blue chip guys are being told two conflicting things earlier in the recruiting cycle. An average school is telling them to hurry up because the boat is filling up. The blueblood school is telling them we like you but we need to work on some things to see if we have room for you. At this point, I imagine a recruit starts to feel some anxiety for fear of missing out on either opportunity so they do the only thing they have control of and accept the early commitable offer. Some may intentionally play the game but others are probably feeling a bit pressured into it.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I don't see how you see an offer makes them more desirable but a commitment doesn't? Schools throw out 300-400 offers half of them mean nothing. Once a kid commits to a school a coaching staff going over their board talk about a fringe kid that they told needs to work on X, Y and Z now have to make a decision. "Well coach so and so up at school A saw something in this kid and got him to commit, so we either need to get in or possibly lose him". I'm not saying this is a fool proof plan but what I'm saying is just like coaches play games the recruit have games to play to try and propel them up the boards. In my OPINION I do not an offer carries the same weight as if they were to commit in the sense of getting a school to have some urgency.

While coaches may be logical or maybe even strategic is a better word. Recruiting as a whole is not logical.

Recruiting is evolving. On an aggregate basis, it changes year-to-year. Look at the number of commits in 2020 vs. 2019, 2018, etc. But at the micro level, it changes day-to-day, week-to-week. Everything is so fluid for these kids, so at what point does a verbal "commitment" no longer become news? These kids are not dumb. Let's say they have a couple of FCS, middling G5 offers, then we offer before they really have a chance to camp, show out during senior year as a late bloomer, etc. Do you blame the kids for using us a the proverbial Trojan horse to get into the SEC? I don't. Not for one second.

So, for Fuente, the question is whether the "if you're still taking official visits, you're not committed" approach is worth adjusting or doubling-down. For us as fans? Just do yourself a favor and pretend that the word "commitment" has the same force and expected duration as "we're dating" when you were in 6th grade.

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Honestly they stopped becoming news to me quite some time ago. I'm truly puzzled by how excited/frustrated/angry people get 9-12 months before LOI day over pseudo-events like 17 yr old kids committing, recruiting rankings, etc.

at what point does a verbal "commitment" no longer become news?

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This is exactly why we should just get rid of commitments all together. Hand out NLI's on the spot. Treat them like job offers where they come with an expiration date.

*Steps off soap box*

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And I would add: if you want to switch schools after signing a NLI, that can be handled through the transfer portal. Don't want to sit out a year, then you shouldn't have signed the NLI if you weren't 800% committed.

Wonderful. And I've had this thought as well. But, and it's a big BUTT, a person under the age of 18 does not have the legal capacity to enter a contract. I don't know how the NLI, under those terms, could be considered anything but a contract. Add in the fact that most of these kids are about 16 years old when they're "800% committed," and its a big mess.

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There's occasionally kids who aren't 18 when they arrive on campus, and many more who aren't 18 when they sign their NLI. If it's not an issue today, I don't see why it would be an issue in my proposal.

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So, for Fuente, the question is whether the "if you're still taking official visits, you're not committed" approach is worth adjusting or doubling-down.

I think you might be misinterpreting what Fuente meant by that comment, which continues to be a big issue. He's offered clarification but the incorrect interpretation continues to prevail. Fuente was saying that if a recruit, committed to VT or any other team, is still taking visits then the coaches have to approach the situation as if the recruit isn't committed.

This means if the staff is in contact with a recruit committed to another program and that recruit reciprocates interest and wants to visit, then the staff will pursue them as if they are still available. Additionally, it is not a ban on official visits for recruits committed to VT but rather recognizing that if a VT commit is continuing to take visits to other schools, then the recruit is looking around and thus the coaches must act in their best interest by continuing to contact and pursue other targets at the position.

Fuente knows he can't stop commits from looking around and accepts that as part of the recruiting game as long as the recruit is up front about it. That said, he still values honesty so if a commit lies to him then it will be a problem, which is exactly happened with the Capehart debacle.

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This makes me wonder if it means that some players who have committed to us said they weren't going to take other OVs and we dropped off on continuing to recruit them because they "committed"

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It's like a wife, I know mine is committed, but you go to get on that like she's a free agent to make sure she knows this is home.

What?

NVM, I reread 8 or 9 times and now finally get it.

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That's certainly possible and even likely to have happened to some extent. Logically it seems like an area where increased recruiting staff could make a difference. Since VT has a relatively small recruiting staff, resource allocation is a highly important but delicate balance.

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Yep. Mea culpa. I knew that he offered that clarification and still completely forgot about it. I guess it is one of those "if you say it enough times people will start to believe it" situations with that quote. But recruiting wise, we are in a tough situation, no doubt about it. I still maintain that until we invest some serious resources in our recruiting department (perhaps even [gasp] at the expense of an Olympic sport or two) we will be at a significant and ever-widening disadvantage.

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Its inevitable IMO that for us to get over the hump financially we'll need an alumni to hit it big and donate something we've not seen before or we're going to need to drop another sport or two. We missed the $ boat when the SEC expanded. We should have jumped! I'd rather be middle of the SEC East than middle of ACC Coastal. Could have paid the ACC exit fee with 1 or 2 years of SEC TV money.

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I'm not worried, (Insert Next Recruiting Cycle Here) is the one where it all comes together.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I wonder if/how COVID will affect recruiting. IE, Clemson and several other programs have issues already, if Tech somehow keeps everybody healthy will be that an advantage.

We were due, someone needed to knock us down a peg after a few successful days.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

"DE-COMMITTING"

No need to shout, son. Dang. We get it.

Leonard. Duh.

This is what irked me the most to be honest.

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Im not surprised no one close.to him is committed to tech now

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The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

2022 will be our year to get a top 25 class....somewhat /s

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Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

You committed without and OV, so why still take it after you "DE-COMMIT". The OV isn't the reason you left because if it was you'd still be committed knowing that hopefully by the EOY you can get on campus. You have interest from other schools, so just say it and move along.

Unfortunately, we have a nice combo in the coaching room on the surface, but until they can show some draft pick wins and as a team we start winning, this is going to be the course we are stuck on.

The bigger story here isn't the decommitment. It will be finding out who Teerlinck and Tapp target to fit that role. This system utilizes a cocked or eagled nose. While the position doesn't require the nose to be a two gap player, it isn't really a good fit for the types of DTs VT has recruited historically. Martin was a bit of an out-of-the blue commitment it seemed. I want to see who the alternative target is, and how they fit different evolutions of the scheme, before going off half cocked.

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I mean he is a good prospect but wasn't he the guy that had never set foot on campus when he committed? Have to imagine that plays a role.

.... didn't they target him to fit that role?

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Yes... which is why the next step will be so interesting. VT hasn't been able to get that big wide body DT besides Settle in a long time. Can the new staff sell this role to a player who has more upside?

If I read this today, and then VT lands Tyleik Williams (who I am very high on for that nose role), I am happy on signing day. If they get someone I don't like as much, or land a 3 tech but can't find a nose, I am not happy.

Right now VT has I believe 6 or 7 scholarship DTs, and only three are not sophomores or younger (Hewitt, Crawford, and Cunningham). They have to find a three tech and a nose in this class. Let's see what happens.

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You've mentioned Tyleik, who would be the ideal nose in this class that we have a shot with. Here is someone who we lead for who I assume is a candidate for the 3t. If you get around to his film I'd like to hear your thoughts. At 6-3 260, he's likely a guy who will need a year or two to put on good mass and play 3t, but he seems like someone they cold mold into that role.

This kid maybe might be a little closer to the eagle technique.

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Surprised we haven't offered him yet

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Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

I want to see [...] before going off half cocked.

Dude, that sort of rational approach has no business in a recruiting thread!

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Sad, Dude's going to miss out playing with Poole and Brown on a loaded defense in a few years.

Someone embed the tweet where he said "Bet!!!" To Lucas Coley (Arkansas QB commit) who said "hit my line"

I was looking this morning on 247 and noticed Tyas was our only commit ranked higher then any of the 16 UNC commits (just barely higher then their lowest ranking commit). With his departure, every UNC commit is now ranked higher then our best.

I know there's some excitement around our recent commits, but it seems like the kids we keep offering have lower and lower ranking. I know rankings aren't everything, but it makes me extremely nervous for our team in a few years.

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I hope so. Having to rely on recruiting news makes this off-season especially tough.

I also hope his OV shows him what he needs to recommit to the good guys.

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Well it wouldn't be a recruiting related thread without a UNC mention

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In order for VT to recruit better, we need to start winning the coastal again, and competing when we get there. UNC is filling their roster with talent, and have a coach that is not an idiot- he won a national title after all. Add to that, he actually won big at UNC before, and it's a huge concern. Talent wins games. Fuente needs to bring in more of it, bottom line. finishing 2-3rd in the coastal won't help.

Since we can't win any games in the offseason, can we quit complaining about recruiting until games start?

Get Angry, Bud!

I think it's quite reasonable to be concerned about the current state of recruiting, and I think the 'let's wait to play the games' attitude is dumb. No successful business sits there and goes 'we're doing great now, but let's wait and see if we actually need this new technology or need to pay attention to this new competitor.' That's what Blockbuster did.

Yes, VT is set up for success in the short term. And yes, this class is not complete, and could potentially break the top 25 if we close on some key targets. However, given the current state of this class and the previous class, it's looking likely that we will repeat the 2018 season at least once in the next 2-4 seasons.

Finally, I understand the fan fatigue around recruiting, but if you find that irritating, or at all unproductive, you should probably not read the comments in a thread about a recruit decommitting.

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That's true, but we aren't the business. The coaches/AD are.

And at this point, if I didn't read the recruiting threads, there isn't a ton of traffic on TKP. So if I want to maintain community on this site with my fellow Hokies, I have to participate in these discussions. So, I choose to participate by reminding everyone that you have no personal control in any of these outcomes and arguing as if you do might be counterproductive.

Get Angry, Bud!

Thanks for participating in a level-headed way instead of antagonizing other commenters in the coronavirus threads like a handful of people around here seem to be doing

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't know if we have another year like 2018. At the end of the 2017 season, we lost two first round draft pick players. Tim Settle left early. Adonis Alexander became academically ineligible for 2018 so left for the supplemental draft. We knew we needed a CB, so picked up Jeremy Webb for some experience on the field. Jeremy Webb tears his Achilles over the summer, forcing us to go very young at CB. Trevon Hill got dismissed from the team.

I doubt we lose two first round picks the same year anytime soon. And losing guys like Settle and Alexander the same year hurts too.

Suppose that we have 3-5 starters leave, 2 contributors transfer, and 2 key players get injured, and then on top of that, there's growing pains in JHam's new system, and we don't have the right personnel. This would be some bad luck, but it would be far from unprecedented.

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Signing classes at the bottom of the ACC back to back years will impact the top of the NFL draft board, yes- agreed. That's the point.

Let's make a deal. I'll stop complaining about recruiting if you stop making youth, depth, attrition, new coaches, Beamer left the cupboard bare 6 years ago excuses when Duke neck stomps us.... deal?

Gobble Till You Wobble

That deal is good with me. If we get stomped by Duke, i will only blame current coaches and players for their lack of ability and intelligence IF you hold up your end.

Get Angry, Bud!

Deal

Didn't we have a graphic showing all of our new recruits? Gotta make a new one..

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VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

My measuring stick for this class- get Williams, Nelson, and Henry and I am thrilled. Lost one, I am tepid. Lose two or three and I am angry.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

We made Williams top 6. Tough competition, but he would be a diamond in this class.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

For those like me who struggle to identify these people based on last names alone:
I was able to search this thread and determine you meant Tyleik Williams

From the June 2020 Recruiting News thread Cole Nelson

But I could not identify a Henry in either thread.
vtwuzzidsp pointed out that it is maybe DJ Harvey? Henry? I don't know, it's someone.

Probably meant DJ Harvey....cornerback from california

A lot of people seem to think Cole Nelson is one of those "market inefficiencies" in this year's cycle I've discussed a few times in various recruiting threads.

I assume the use of commitments was kind of a natural product of the very fluid nature of recruiting. Its useful to both schools and recruits in trying to make a more informed decision. With the recruiting sites and evolving nature of the transfer portal though, it feels like the word commitment is no longer the appropriate term. We should call it "serious interest". I think opening up the transfer system even more could eliminate some of this madness. If you like a school and feel like its a good fit, great, go ahead and sign and go there for a year or two. If it doesn't work out, or you exceed expectations and have better opportunities elsewhere, go ahead and transfer. Its a free country. Will this help the big dogs in the end even more? Maybe, idk, I could see arguments both ways. But at least it would water down the absolute worst part of college football which is recruiting.

He would have been better off saying "respect my indecision..."

my interpretation of Martin reacting to our reaction...

My mental image whenever I see these "respect my decision" tweets:

I'm just a caveman. Your world frightens and confuses me. But there is one thing I *do* know - when one defensive tackle decommits and another with better film says you are in the top six, I feel ok. Thank you.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Thumbs up.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

well, yeah, but then you see alabama, ohio state , and LSU are also in the top 6, and you realize...he ain't coming here.

We will see what happens. I feel a lot better about Williams ending up at VT than most, and I am hoping that I can will it to happen. I think he fits what I expect VT to do this year.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Some guys want to be in the locker room clearing out. Some want to be RVD.

If you get it, you get it.

But at Alabama, Ohio State, and LSU he might be sitting behind 5 star recruits for a year or three before he sees the field in a meaningful way. If he really wants to put in three good years and then turn pro (many do) Tech is a better option for early play time.

Related... I did a quick look at the next 4 years of scheduling and looking at the "big games" we have that would draw some national attention, and we dont have a lot in my opinion. If I'm a recruit and looking at these schedules then VT just doesn't have the schedule appeal.

VT
2020 - PSU, Miami
2021 - ND, Miami
2022 - Miami
2023 - FSU, Miami

7 marquee (and 2 non-conference) games in 4 years compared to:

Ohio St (14)
2020 - Oregon, PSU, Nebraska, Michigan
2021 - Oregon, PSU, Nebraska, Michigan
2022 - ND, PSU, Michigan
2023 - ND, PSU, Michigan

Alabama (18)
2020 - USC, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, Auburn
2021 - Miami, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M
2022 - Texas, Auburn, Texas A&M, LSU
2023 - Texas, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M

This is scheduled games. We win the coastal any of those years and we add Clemson. That's something, and I'd argue better competition than anything Ohio State has on their schedule unless they make it to the playoffs.

I dont disagree with your first point, but the same can be said for any P5 team in their respective conference. My only point was these are the guaranteed* games, and just looking at those there are other big programs that have a lot more interesting match-ups on a regular basis.

*assuming no acts of god / ECU running for the next game to conveniently circumvent obligations

does nebraska really belong on the list?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

No.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Yes.

Then shit count UNC for Tech then. Much larger national name brand.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Basketball yes. But for football? UNC is a regional brand

And Nebraska is neither. This isn't the 90's.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

probably not in their current program state, but their name & brand (IMHO) still carries weight

From a recruiting stand point sure Nebraska's history matters, Scott Frost can sell that he was there, he know what he is building, from a beating them stand point, no. It's a win like any other at this point.

Can someone tell him Swafford is retiring...maybe he'll change his mind.

We put the K in Kwality

Swafford? Stallford? Suckford? Snoozeford? Swineford? Soul-sellingford? Oh I give up.

Edit: Swindleford, Slackerford, Slouchford, Stupidford, Selloutford. Did I forget any?

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

check the briefcase

Samsonite! I was way off.

We put the K in Kwality

That explains why the ACC looks like it was being handled by monkeys.

You forgot Douchebag.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

This decommit threads are very interesting when you look at them compared to commit threads on the tone between posters, who actually posts, and the number of times they post in either thread.

Commit threads get like 20 fam and welcome to hokie nation comments but the recommit threads bring out the popcorn entertainment.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

3* confidence CB for Tyas Martin to Kansas

That seems so strange. Kansas???

Damn, big dogged by Kansas. Wtf

Maybe Martin got big dogged by VT...

And Brian Dohn over at 24/7 just crystal balled Williams to VT. https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Tyleik-Williams-at-Stonewall-Jac...

He is a perfect fit, has connections through his school and other recruits (Stroman and Ashbury), etc. Hopefully they can fend off others for him. For a big man, he has a great motor and is really light on his feet.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Don't you do this to us, French...

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

I'd play for Les Miles. That guy is nuts!

He eats grass.

Eats grass and nuts... LES MILES IS A DEER!

He'll spend a couple of years at Kansas getting seasoned, and if he pans out he'll transfer to Virginia Tech.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Send him to the farm team first. Classic strategy, I see you CJF