WR Latrell Neville decommits

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Down to a single Texas commit now?

Edit: jk none now for 2021 lol

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Neville will be bumped to a 5 star by Monday.

(TIC, I think)

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Guessing this means we won't be signing Raby either.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

we're still one of his better offers so who knows ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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you can say that again!

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Awww... BOOO!!! You killed my joke!

it was a good one! I got it before the edit.

Go Hokies

This is pretty rough. On one hand I'm surprised he waited a month after DD to make this move, on the other hand that extra month makes it sting more. Staff put a big time emphasis on 21 being a banner class and there's no way to slice this as positive news or that our class is shaping up to even be average (for us).

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

It feels like the wait was to make it seem like it wasn't based on the DD decommit

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

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This wasn't unexpected, but all joking aside I hope we don't lose Tyas Martin.

Yeah. This staff seems to be aiming bigger than its britches -- they've done a decent job of getting players "on board" but man losing so many early commits who were supposed to be foundational cornerstone players makes me nervous about the other surprising pulls and targets -- can we keep Tyas Martin? Close on Landyn Watson or DJ Harvey or Donovan McMillon?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The way I've felt, dating back to late Beamer even, is that we are a good enough team that if we offer someone it's a signal they can play. But once that is happens than the blue bloods and rising programs have room to jump on board and we can close with the majority of our top end targets. So we miss high, we bump up low, and we get what we get. They're still promising players but they aren't who we weren't all the first choice.

Fuente seemed to swing for the fence, and it worked when we won the coastal the first year, but it hasn't been sustainable unfortunately.

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More upset about not getting Raby.

This was coming, surprised it took so long.

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Sailing the Eastern Seas....on a ship filled with sand....

Starting to think recruiting takes more than just having a hashtag.

It'll be interesting to see if he commits to the SEC and gets his 4th star back though.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Or if OU made their offer committable bc it will get them Latrell McCutchin too

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Rumor is he's heading to Auburn for the superior academics, in a different league from VT

Well there goes the mo wonder if they keep up the Texas movement as it's gone flat now

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I wonder what the staff said to keep him from decommiting right after Davis did. I think we all kind of expected it, just not this late.

Edit: saw a typo I just couldn't let go. Carry on.

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I believe we offered his cousin Raby around the time DD decommitted.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Surprise level = Zero.

Gonna be a really big uphill battle for this Staff to move this class up from here.

'21 class looking ALOT like '20 again...will have a higher ranking because of #signees but average ranking pretty much the same.

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It's June. It's still early. But there is a big difference between asking "why hasn't jack hollifield committed yet" and "why did we lose our highest rated commit on May 6 and then lose our next highest rated commit on June 6" -- "it's early" is an argument for landing four or five players who can salvage a class. It's not an argument for landing seven or eight, and that's the territory were in.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think most people will look at it as until we actually see some of these kids commit to tech no real reason to get overly excited. Don't get me wrong whoever we sign I'll be proud of as they'll want to go out and play for VT but this class was probably being to overhyped with the whole he who shall not be named commitment and now things are going as they always do where the supposed big dogs do their thing and we just sit back and lose all these big gets from early in the cycle.

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It might be a little different if staff didn't openly point to 2021 as a reason to look past the abysmal (on paper) 2020 class. Maybe all these guys that are still in the class are big time eval wins who should each be 4-5 pts higher than their initial 247 rating - but that's unlikely and probably overly optimistic. In reality, there are probably a few who will play to a 3* level in the two- or three-deep, a few who surpass that and become fan favorites and key contributors, and a few that are portal fodder by 2023.

See my comment above about aiming too big for our britches -- getting DD and Neville to commit was a big time win. But what does it mean if we can't even hang onto them until the season starts in the middle of a bizarre recruiting dead period?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

It might be a little different if staff didn't openly point to 2021 as a reason to look past the abysmal (on paper) 2020 class.

I went to an HC event in Atlanta before the 2019 spring practice started. Even then, Fuente was saying that the 2019 class is going to be small, and poorly ranked by 247. He kept saying 2021 is going to be a monster class. That's the class to keep an eye on.

Maybe he can turn it around, maybe he can get come re-commitments, maybe his team actually did out-scout everyone this season... regardless, it's not a good look at the moment.

See my comment above about aiming too big for our britches -- getting DD and Neville to commit was a big time win. But what does it mean if we can't even hang onto them until the season starts in the middle of a bizarre recruiting dead period?

I don't think anyone knows how to recruit in this dead period. It's a weird time indeed.

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I won't get excited until they SIGN. These "commitments" don't mean jack anymore

Yup

To be fair, it's an issue with the system more so than the players. If you compare it to a marriage, a commitment is like the first time you and your significant other 'agree' to get engaged. The NIL is an engagement, and showing up on campus is the wedding. Just like in relationships, there are plenty of people who talk about getting engaged, say they're going to do it, then have the realization that it's not a good fit.

Not to mention the fact that schools aren't held to the same (public) standards as recruits.

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Welp the only thing I have to look forward to is this season (which may not happen) and a fictional national championship being played on a video game modeling the vt hype from years ago.
Two abysmal recruiting classes in a row will really set us up strong for middle to low pack conference contenders for years to come and I think I'm over caring and paying for the product (which is no fault of anyone here, still love the site) ; just malcontent with the program and it's future. And I know I'll get a youre dramatic log off response from homers and I used to be that guy but how many more let downs can we take? I'm excited about some of the guys in this class and it's no knock on them but you neee more than three guys to make a class work. I dunno, someone convince me otherwise, I need hope again

Convince you? You mean like, maybe the coaches really like who we've gotten scheme fit, athletic and character wise and the rest of us are clueless?

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I give him credit for being up front and honest to say, "I may have been hasty in my decision." That's called buyer remorse and trust me, I have experienced it, and I am sure there are plenty of TKPers who can share the same sentiment. If he want to explore options, let him, because as far as I know, he has not signed the NLI and he is not bound to his verbal commitment. Hell, it's not like we are being wedded to him, so why do we have this notoriety for acting like the jilted bride?

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Agree..no reason to have hard feelings towards him.

He clearly verballed with the expectation that DD (and potentially others) would be part of this class.

When DD left, the house of cards began to fall..the only real question is how far will it collapse and how much can be salvaged or rebuilt at this point?

Seems like the majority of the higher-ranked recruits that we have a realistic shot at are on the Defensive side of the ball.

The Offensive Staff simply has to do better Recruiting. Corny is a zero on the trail..Vice has done a nice job in the past but hasn't signed anyone on this Continent in '21...Lech and Williams are too soon to fully judge but, again, have not signed or seemingly gotten us even on the radar for our "1st choice" RBs or WRs. In short, it really ain't pretty and its getting damn hard to have enthusiasm that things are going to change for the good under the current leadership.

I asked the question in a discourse thread. I'm not too keen on Corny and his abilities as a recruiter. I go back to Noah Kim. I don't know the conversation that was had, but how do you let a solid in state QB recruit, leave after a verbal from a kid who wouldn't be on campus for another 2 years?

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I have long thought that the discussion surrounding Noah Kim wasn't as one sided as people think.

Another poster, with inside info,Stated his decommitment was directly related to Davis' commitment. The fact the coaching staff couldn't keep him bothered me so much more. Kim was a good get, and would have filled a gap with a redshirt year.

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It's pretty scary that we can't even get the low-mid 4 stars that used to headline our classes. We have grown into a definitive mid-3 star type of school and it's sad. Might get one last good season in 2020 if the season even happens and then it's gonna be ugly for a LONG time.

He was a 3 star recruit currently.

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so things are even bleaker

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Hey, look on the bright side, we'll have two of the top long snappers in the nation, which are very important when we're punting 10+ times a game......ducks.

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We still have the talent to be good, maybe even better in 2021. It's after that the cupboard is almost completely empty.

There's a long way to go for this class though still. If we start winning games and get ranked I think we can pull in some good ones.

It's this kind of thing that makes me not want to follow Virginia Tech football in the offseason. Because why do I want to subject myself to the whims of 18 year old kids? I should just tune in when the games start again.

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I used to do that until I started wanting answers as to why the product on the field wasn't what I wanted it to be and was used to (around 2012). Then I started paying attention to recruiting. When you know what to expect, it's a little less surprising but still ends up pissing you off about the same.

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Like everyone else is saying, this isn't surprising, but still hurts a lot.

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread to bring this up (and apologies for the long read), but I think we can all agree that VT isn't nearly as successful at recruiting as we all want it to be.

Having some years worth of experience in the workforce, I'm getting into position where I can make contributions (nothing significant) to support athletics. I personally want to know what factors are holding us back from seriously landing high profile recruits and how well they can be addressed if we substantially raise Hokie Club funding.

I probably could donate a couple hundred dollars a year -- I'm sure most of the 238k living alumni can do the same. Why this isn't happening could be due to a combination of not enough outreach or not enough incentive to donate at this tier. For me, the latter would be a reason.

Comparing the Hokie Club Benefit chart with IPTAY's -- all IPTAY donors have discounts for Clemson gear and this is not a listed perk for any of the Hokie Club tiers. I personally like shopping for Hokie swag and to make it even more attractive, would love it if HC members have access to swag that you can't buy on Fanatics (I did see some people wearing a black Nike LPD shirt recently that I haven't been able to find).

The other thing I noticed -- HC tiers have donation ranges and IPTAY tiers do not. For a certain tier, it does not seem that donating more than the minimum is worthwhile. For example, the Gobbler tier has a range of $25-$99. $99 is nearly a 400% increase over the bare minimum for no additional benefit. I could be misinformed, but it just doesn't seem that potential donors are being properly incentivized.

Putting some numbers into perspective, IPTAY's largest tier by number of members is the $180 tier. Round that to $200. If we assume that the ~18k HC members are alums, that leaves us with 220k untapped living alums. If all 220k can donate $200, that brings the HC an additional $44 million to supplement the record 2020 number of $32.8 million. That results in ~$77 million in potential giving and would exceed IPTAY's 2018 record of $64.9 million!

If achieving this level of giving will make VT a force to be reckoned with, I'm down to do what I can. The HC just needs to show those able but not involved that it is worthwhile.

Sorry for the long post. If I'm full of crap in anything I said, please correct me, but I really believe in our alum and fanbase and want to do better.

A solid point regarding the tiers. I've often looked at the donation levels, and this is just me, and there is no incentive as staged that makes me think I need to jump to the next level just for that. Recognizing that whatever perk there is nets against the donation itself, I think a fresh look at it would be well served.

As an example, what if the perk allowed you something that would also generate revenue? I don't know the cost, the complexity of doing something like this, etc. But if I am at a donation level, and the next level offered the ability to purchase something extremely unique (limited production), that would be something interesting. I don't know, a limited run hat, another level a game jersey with your last name, and so on. Now you are incentivizing increased donations with potentially additional profit as well.

A long way of saying I agree.

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Thanks, HokieStone, your point about a perk that has the potential of generating more revenue (and you feeling compelled to give more) is exactly what I'm thinking of.

While not a business, I'd like the HC to start thinking like one so that there is a chance of sustaining consistent success.

Benefits such as a chance to buy exclusive swag is a good way of getting those that can't make it to the games to enjoy seating benefits involved.

Benefits such as a chance to buy exclusive swag is a good way of getting those that can't make it to the games to enjoy seating benefits involved.

This x10. Living in Texas, there's zero incentive for me to donate to HC. They need a tier that has nothing to do with ticket priority, parking passes, etc.

Well y'all would be happy to know there is a Hokie Club only shop. Also the incentive to donate is funding scholarships for student athletes at VT.

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you have a strange definition of incentive

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I didn't get to go to Tech. I don't live in Virginia so don't go to many games. The teams I see in person and take my kids to are the other sports: like Golf, baseball, softball and women's basketball. Those student athletes are the ones who represent Tech to me and my daughters who love seeing female athletes in real life not just on their TV's. My way to support Tech is making sure those student athletes get to keep representing Tech by me donating money to pay for their scholarships. The Hokie Club is and always has been foremost a scholarship fund. One that Tech fans couldn't even fully support until 2016.

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You're good people for doing this without anything expect self-satisfaction in return, seriously. But from my own experience, it doesn't work well. Take TKPC. The first 200 people joined because they wanted to support the site. The next 500+ (2.5x) joined because some of the articles weren't free. Value prop rules.

Tech needs to figure out a way to provide Hokie Club members more value.

For 25 dollars you get a car sticker, a magazine subscription , and the chance to buy tickets. If people want more for 25 they are looking to buy something not make a donation.

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I agree, but I also think Hokie Club should think more business-minded.

I wouldn't give the $25 more than you listed, but for the three figures and up folks, if you can decrease average order size but substantially increase orders, then you have something cooking.

Motivation and incentive are not synonyms -- motivation comes internally and incentive comes externally. Desiring to see tech athletics succeed is an internal motivation that would push you to donate to the Hokie Club. Getting a perk or a benefit exclusive to the Hokie Club would be an incentive because it is an external factor.

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I agree with HokieFireman.

There should be some incentive/benefits for out-of-town HokieClub members.

Limited edition trinkets are a nice idea.

Ultimately, we're donating to support the student athletes and the team, but it's nice to have some things that are only available to HokieClub insiders. We occasionally get a sticker or magnet.

Well y'all would be happy to know there is a Hokie Club only shop.

Sure would be nice if that was listed anywhere on the HC benefits chart or website.

Also the incentive to donate is funding scholarships for student athletes at VT.

I mean, sure, that's part of it; I wouldn't donate $100 to save $5 on a t-shirt if it wasn't going to a good cause. But clearly people expect to have some additional benefit in return for their funds, which is why they offer other incentives to begin with. The problem is that none of those additional incentives are compelling to those who can't or don't attend events.

This is an honest question. Does tuition cost pay for athletics? I was an out of state student and didn't want to contribute to hokie club after graduation due to paying off student loans. Now that the loans are paid off, I am still hesitant. I love Hokie sports but I feel like I've given the university plenty at this point. I have the money but I just feel like if it's just a donation and I am not getting anything out of it, there are probably better places for me to donate.

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I appreciate your viewpoint on this and it certainly is refreshing to know that there are humble individuals out there that seek to help others without expecting anything in return.

But quite frankly, most people are not that way (nothing wrong with that) and the goal should be trying to get people to donate more than they otherwise would. This is why the perks exist.

I think the HC just has a more unique challenge than most other fundraising arms in that a large percentage of able donors are not in close proximity. There is high potential to increase giving, the HC just needs to find a way to get people involved by finding relevant ways to excite them.

This Hokie Club only shop -- this is exactly what I'm getting at. To put it bluntly, this wasn't even advertised and diminishes the potential of the perk. Knowing what exclusive items are on there would also help entice non-members (such as myself) join.

If you have spare time, could you share a screenshot of the HC only shop?

I agree - I try not to call giving to HC a 'donation' because it's not; it's self serving. 'Investment' would be a better term.

This Hokie Club only shop -- this is exactly what I'm getting at. To put it bluntly, this wasn't even advertised and diminishes the potential of the perk. Knowing what exclusive items are on there would also help entice non-members (such as myself) join.

The Hokie Club shop isn't a VT store... It's a hokie club store. Here's the link. It's not a place where you can buy whatever pullover the coaches got from Nike this year; it where you go to buy gear with the Hokie Club logo. IMO it would be way better if Hokie Club members got a discount at the university book store or something.

Here's an example of Hokie Club Store gear:

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Thanks bar1990.

To be honest, if the Hokie Club store is just a place to buy Hokie Club branded clothing, it's not something I'd be excited about.

I personally think IPTAY has a strong perk in giving discounts for local retailers. If HC can do something similar (like a coupon code for the Hokie Shop and access to exclusive gear that resemble team issued clothes), I think it would be a much more attractive proposition.

It appears it isn't locked down to verified HC members, so again, no incentive since it isn't exclusive. Also, trying to check out throws an error. Awesome.

Agree that a discount at the bookstore would be more interesting to me than anything currently offered. If TKP can offer 10% at Campus Emporium, why can't the HC do similar? For someone like me, my TKP membership gives way more in return for the money compared to HC, so it's where my money will continue to go.

The HC just needs to show those able but not involved that it is worthwhile.

This. However, it seems impossible for the HC to get its head out of its ass and be competent.

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This is the Crux of the issue for me. Want more serious donations? Show the ability to get it done and that will follow but all the ugly shit on the field the last few years in terms of results and the bleak recruiting at times aren't going to get a fan base excited to start throwing money.

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A NC appearance and 10 win seasons didn't get our fan base to open their wallets. Now was that a failure of Weaver and Beamer or an indictment of our fan base?

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Well, in terms of donations, I can't argue with that. But I think that's on the administration for not having a system and strategy in place to capitalize on the momentum. It's a mess that still hasn't been fixed.

Fans did open their wallets though. Hokies earned a reputation as a great traveling fanbase, so much so that it helped Tech lock up its last Sugar Bowl bid. Years and years of bowl trips cost money and the fans paid.

Excellent point. The hokie fan base is as involved as an SEC one, but for whatever reason does not pour money into the Hokie Club. We have to do a better job getting that message out. During this time, Whit and staff should be taking every opportunity to put out content, do interviews, maybe even develop something specific for ACC network. And, each time a great piece of content is provided, a plug for the hokie club should be made. I am shocked at how few fans know that you can and should join even if you dont have season tickets. The minimum pledge is $25 and even larger pledges are offered as a very modest monthly draw.

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Completely agree. I know of some people that are able and willing to donate, but won't out of principle because they weren't even asked.

I can appreciate that stance because if I were to donate money, I'd want it to go towards a donation pool that has a model for growth (persistent outreach to the able and willing) instead of my contribution being a one and done thing that ultimately doesn't move the needle.

When VT football entered the ACC in 2004 and won it, the mission accomplished banner went up. We were the big fish in a small pond for years, and instead of keeping up nationally and making an emphasis of growing and expanding the Hokie Club, there was just a feeling of well we can win 10 games and the ACC routinely with little additional effort or resources, so why change anything. The program stagnated, the fan base stagnated, and we are paying the price for years of complacency. Hokie fans have always traveled well and spent money going to games, but the biggest failure is the Hokie Club not capitalizing on the program's success and trying to grow the donor base. Now we have a harder task of trying to increase donations while the program has been mired in mediocrity for the better part of the last decade.

Case in point:

I gave $1100 to the Hokie Club the day (or the day after, something like that) we cancelled the ECU series.

When I see something I want to support related to Virginia Tech athletics, I'll throw some money at it. But if I don't see like what we are doing with what we have now, then why would I invest in it? Then again, we were one game away from winning the division last year, so I suppose we aren't too far away.

I'd also agree with the variety of posters on this thread that are saying that donations have to be tied to something else besides tickets. I am not going to Blacksburg again for the forseeable future, so there is zero incentive for me to donate more.

I suppose if we cancelled Liberty and Wisconsin and really truly loaded up on high-P5 opponents in the schedule I could be motivated to donate.

Well alot of the current commits are gonna get another bump if there's a high school football season. Lil Stro is probably gonna be a 247 89. Rating which would make him a 4 star. Will Johnson is gonna be an 88 rating. Chance Black is gonna get up to a .87. Also we're in a really good spot for DJ Harvey and we can make up that slight lead Florida has on us for McMillon ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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You're totally right, but this feels like we're in basketball game down 12 with 3 min left. 'If we get 4 stops, hit three 3's, drive to the lane twice, we'll get the last possession and then we can win it.'

Yea, that's true. And yea, it's not unheard of. But it is unusual and it requires a lot luck and hard work.

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Well, I guess this is the end for the Beau Davidson/TX2VT movement. Fun while the social media thrill lasted. Then you realize that you have a coaching staff who has blown/failed to make solid inroads in our own territory, so Fu went down to Texas was kind of the last hope. Sorry to be so pessimistic but IIWII at this point everyone.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of how Davidson has handled recruiting misses and decommitments on Twitter. He never talks about recruits directly, but he'll fire off a tweet about our holistic recruiting approach that definitely pertains to whoever they just missed on. He comes off as a little condescending and like he's trying to place the blame on the athlete. Not only does it turn off that athlete and potentially burn that bridge, it probably turns off other athletes as well. These guys talk to each other.

The worst one was the tweet where he said the VA kids better hurry up because there are Texas kids just as good or whatever (I couldn't find it). Now they're striking out in Texas. Not good.

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Yes! Glad someone else pointed this out. It reeks of the same energy some fans give when someone doesn't commit and they say "well he wouldn't fit the scheme, he wouldn't work hard, etc." We saw a bunch of it when Davis decommitted. This staff has plenty of shortfalls, this being a big one.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Recruiting is becoming a real issue for us.

Becoming?

Recruiting was an issue before Fuente was hired. Whit went on record multiple times during the transition saying how important an improvement in recruiting would be to our future and as such was the #1 primary factor in the job opening.

Watching our ability to recruit get incrementally worse year over year is an absolute failing of not just the football staff but the athletic department. It's hard to overstate how badly this whole thing has been bungled.

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Whit went on record multiple times during the transition saying how important an improvement in recruiting would be to our future and as such was the #1 primary factor in the job opening.

Does anybody have a source to support this statement? I've seen it thrown around before but I do not recall Whit ever saying anything especially close to that.

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This is what he told us in some HC functions down here in Raleigh around that time. My source on this is what he said to us directly.

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I wasn't questioning your memory as much as hoping you could leverage it into finding an article. Anyway I searched for articles on Fuente's hiring and recruiting was specifically mentioned, with a heavy emphasis on rejuvenating recruiting in Virginia. No debate here that Fuente has failed miserably on that front and while I don't expect it, I'd love to get more insight on that idea at this point in his tenure. What has gone so wrong with regards to recruiting VA? What was different than he expected? Does he plan to refocus and make another attempt at rejuvenating recruiting in VA?

One interesting thing to add is there were several quotes regarding recruiting evaluations and player development. Babcock said he felt the ability of the coach to evaluate and development recruits was a significant factor in the hire and Fuente emphasized that the staff would be doing all of their own evaluations.

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Recruiting is very important, but I also don't remember anyone saying that recruiting was the #1 factor for VT hiring football coaches.

For our location and the new day and age of less diamonds in the rough you almost have to go with a recruit first style coach if we're ever gonna be able to get back to where we want to be in my opinion. The thing is we need to get someone who is recruit first, but not recruit only

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The thing is we need to get someone who is recruit first, but not recruit only

I don't know about that. I wouldn't call Chris Peterson a 'recruit first' coach, but he can definitely 'cruit.

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It has been for quite some time. Sometimes up, sometimes down, but rarely at the level we would like to see. At the end of the day it is a results driven business. All the recruiting commentary aside, "What is the Product on the Field?", whether it's good recruiting, good development, both or neither. Thus far the bottom line on the field for CJF has been tenuous. Al Davis- "Just win baby". Bill Parcels- "You are what you're record says you are, nothing more and nothing less." Regardless of recruiting, CJF has progress that needs to be made.

Watch the tape, and relax.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I'm actually with you that this isn't a big loss from an on field perspective.

However, the coaches have seen that same tape and pushed for his commitment. For me there are two reasons that come to mind: 1. They saw something in him that we didn't. 2. They wanted him as an inroad/recruiter to further TX2VT or to appease DD. Either way, the staff wanted him in the class at some point.

The concerns I've seen voiced that I agree with the most are that this signals a failure in our recruiting plan for this cycle (TX2VT), or just a general signal to recruits that our class is falling apart and whether other recruits know the story or not the optics aren't ideal.

Hopefully we land some WR targets that are superior football players and better fit our system, whether that's O'Mega Blake, TJ Huggins, Ahmari Huggins Bruce, or whoever else it might be.

All that to say, I think in general the vibe I get from a lot of Hokie fans is that we may be calling audibles and pressing reset on several key areas of this cycle in the summer, during an irregular dead period, and at the moment no clear time where we will be able to get kids on campus to try and make big pushes for other targets. That seems to be the more substantial source of dread and pessimism at the moment.

To offer an optimistic path, I think if we can get QB Tahj Bullock in the class soon we may be able to get things swinging back in the right direction.

I mean, you say that, but I assume our coaches also watched the tape and decided they wanted him. So regardless of what we think, our coaches wanted him.

Either commitments are important or they are not. Everyone was super stoked to get his commitment, thus his decomit can't be "meh" - can't have it both ways.

French watched the film and was not impressed. So he probably was not as celebratory when he committed as some of us (like me) were. He also isn't as upset about the decommitment as some of us (like me) are. Recruiting ratings inform program strength and class quality from a macro perspective. French is suggesting that in this micro case of one player, maybe there isn't as much cause for concern. What is wrong with this assertion?

People can be upset about the weak recruiting as a whole. Sometimes a decommitment is bad (Dee Davis). Other times a single decommitment isn't as damaging or concerning.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

When was the last time we had a de-commitment and someone on here didn't say "meh"?

Overreaction outnumber the mehs 10:1 based on my non scientific poll.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Not necessarily a de-commit but EVERYONE was upset about Drew Harris.

Hopefully he still makes it here.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

meh

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No problem because we opened the pipeline to Germany right? Semi sarcastia

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Is semi-sarcastica a TrueType font?

We put the K in Kwality

Told ya's this was going to happen! Now we really have a shot at back2back worst class in power five!

Sarcasm?

Sean

Chill out cuh cuh

I've got this feeling
The tide is turning now baby
Funny feeling everything's gonna be alright now

A. Congrats on predicting bad things to happen to the football team you cheer for. Definitely something to brag about.

B. Due to just the size of our recruiting class it's going to be statistically impossible for us to have the worst p5 recruiting ranking.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Yeah...and last year we were just ahead of Illinois so second to the worst in power five, I was wrong on both counts.

Small class makes it excusable though or so I'm told.

Regardless, second to worst followed by probably bottom ten this year is gonna make for some tough times on the field in a couple of years.

Sean

I was really just saying the rankings are weird and not always completely telling of the big picture. We can sign a really large class and end up top 35 without having high ranking recruits in the class. Average recruit ranking is a better way to look at it than overall class ranking.

Rutgers has the 19th ranked class right now but it's because they've already signed 20 kids but 19 of them are 3* or lower. Their average recruit ranking is actually .5 points lower than what our 75th ranked class was last year.

Gobble Till You Wobble

It makes more sense to look at the average 247Sports Composite rank. That's the most normalized data available. Right now Tech has an average recruit rank of 84.90 โ€” 4th worst in the ACC. For a comparison, last cycle the Hokies finished 84.98. That's not good enough to match the fans or athletic department's expectations for the program.

Oh for sure. That's why I'm saying even if we sign a big class and have a higher ranked recruiting class, it doesn't mean much to me if that ranking is solely achieved because of class size. That average needs to be up near .8600 at least.

Gobble Till You Wobble

.8600 shooting for the moon there! That would put was around 40th based on last year...oy vey...lowered expecations๐ŸŽถ

Sean

I know you're just trying to be positive...and I'm being trollish but Joe is right...in no way can you spin the recruiting trends of the last 2 years positively...even by invoking an explanation of Rutgers 19th place rating.

Sean

Literally was explaining that even if we have a higher ranked class, it doesn't mean we turned the corner recruiting. It needs to be judged by the average recruit score. No real positive spin there, just facts.

Gobble Till You Wobble

There are a lot of tough questions that are being asked right now when it comes to our ability to recruit. And the facts aren't exactly giving us the warm fuzzies about those questions.

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What'd you base the .8600 on?

Ideally I'd want to derive the baseline average for Tech to compete for the Coastal each season.

I mean .8600 is what I was hoping this class can get to this year considering where it's at now. In our better classes over the years, we've been in the .8700s to the .8800s. That's where I believe we should average out. .

Gobble Till You Wobble

I just looked at those composite rankings as well.

That current average recruit ranking puts us 53rd out of the 64 teams that make up the Power 5. The only teams below us in the rankings are Boston College, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Kansas, Iowa State, Colorado, Wake Forest, Oregon State, Syracuse, Washington State, and Arizona.

That's not at all the company this program needs to be keeping in the recruiting trail. Not at all.

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How much did our German recruit cost us at 2 stars despite the recommendation that he be a 5 star? That has to drop our average a LOT.

Probably not as much as you'd think. Of course the guy who trained him is gonna say he should be 5*.

All of our other commits are .84-.86 rated. One guy at .79 isn't dragging us down a ton. If he got a bump into the same range, our average would only move a little bit

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So long, and best of luck.

Locked in!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Afraid of the young depth in the WR room.

I wouldn't say I'm afraid because there is talent between Payoute, Bowick, Simmons, etc. but it will be interesting to see who actually steps up and commands snaps with their development on the practice field once we get everyone back to business. We definitely need a third/fourth receiver to step up alongside Tre Turner and Tayvion Robinson, which I would also hope are ready to take another step forward.

I was hinting the tired apologist meme on here that Neville was afraid, not me. I'm petrified. We have 2 proven receivers. We know what happens in this offense when that is the case.

I was hinting the tired apologist meme on here that Neville was afraid

Are you sure it's not just you posting it as a strawman after every decommit and transfer after reading it one time a year ago?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

French says hes not that good - in THIS thread. A "theme" it certainly is. Every time we have a decommit, several posters shun it and talk about our "youth" .

You'll have trouble finding mention of Neville being afraid, let alone an entire theme around him being afraid.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I feel like you can't look at everything in a black and white sense. I think if we were to ask French, its more that we can get someone of similar quality, not that he sucks and we shouldn't have taken him in the first place. And while we are young, someone does need to step up and be big this year, luckily we do have some young talent there. It could be all those guys are lemons and can't play but odds are good that one is at the very least adequate.

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