Kill - "Gut-wrenching" decision to leave VT

"It was a great time in my life I can tell you that," Kill said in a phone interview with The Roanoke Times.

"I wasn't going to do it at first then changed my mind," Kill said. "Gary had a lot to do with that just talking to me. It was a gut-wrenching thing. You can't find two better people that I respect in college football than those two."

"Everybody asks me why did you move then? Nobody will ever understand, this is my best friend that I've known for all my years of coaching I'm working with and I'm in the state of Texas, which is only about five and a half hours from where I grew up," Kill said. "I wouldn't do what I'm doing for anybody. It just happened to be Justin [Fuente] and Gary Patterson. I would work for those guys any day of the week. It was a hard decision."

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Probably better pay and no state taxes in TX, plus they have talent falling off trees there and people embrace the teams more.

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

I find it bizarre that when someone directly, precisely and plausibly answers a question, people still feel compelled to continue to speculate and rationalize.

>>this is why
>>IT WAS PROBABLY THAT AND THIS OTHER THING

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Sometimes people got to play the political game. On some level, if Kill disliked his time in Blacksburg, there's a good chance we'd never hear about it.

But really though, Kill's unusual career path would lead one to believe he's not motivated by the usual "career first" reasons that most coaches are. It doesn't make much sense to speculate beyond the reasons stated in his interview for sure.

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"I wouldn't do what I'm doing for anybody. It just happened to be Justin [Fuente] and Gary Patterson. I would work for those guys any day of the week. It was a hard decision."

I'll take him at his word that he thinks very highly of both of them.

For sure. What I meant is sometimes it makes perfect sense to speculate that someone has unstated motivates, this just isn't one of them.

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We got big dogged again...

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edit: whoooosh

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Yes, sarcasm.

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Even though he was only here for a brief tenure he will always be one of my favorites. Class act, great guy, no B.S about him.

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I can think of a recruit or two who needs to read this and take notes. This is how you graciously exit from an opportunity.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

I wish he'd been able to stick around a few more years, and that the opportunity to work for his best man hadn't come up so soon. I think he could have had a bigger impact with more time.

Hopefully, some of his attitude rubbed off on the rest of the coaching staff and players. It's clear that he's overall a positive influence.

So now that he's gone and claims no bad blood, can I share a fun story I heard about Jerry?

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Yes. It's time.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I'm on the edge of my seat here guys.....(being 100% serious I want to know!)

ok. Sauce is 3rd hand (offensive staff member told a friend of mine who is in sports media who told me), because, hey, what else do you post on the internet, right? Here's the story but take it with a grain of salt:

A couple weeks after being hired, literally his first coaches meeting after moving to Blacksburg, Kill is sitting in on the offensive staff going over film. He gets more and disgusted as the meeting goes on and ends up telling them he knows high school coaches that can break down film better than they can. Understandably, tempers flare. Fuente, who is also sitting in, suggests everyone break for dinner so they can cool down. They all go out to eat together, but Kill is too pissed to go with the rest of them and says he'll meet back up with them after. The rest of the staff comes back and Kill is there having skipped dinner and gone straight for the bar, apparently. He picks up right where he left off and it ends up with Vice restraining Jerry who tried taking a swing at Cornelson (the account I heard says no punches landed).

Even if it's not true, still damned entertaining.

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Kill did not like Corn at all and was one of the coaches he suggested Fuente let go at the end of the year.

You allowed to mention who else he recommended to let go?

ZB

ZB SUCKS!

Yeah but ZB was the plug tho...

/s

Do we know why Fuente held onto Corn? Lack of money? Unable to find someone else? Too much overhaul already with losing Bud?

It seems that Corny is to Fuente as Stiney was to Beamer.

You said exactly what I was thinking. I'm puzzled that Mr. Kill made this observation about Cornelsen breaking down film and not Fuente. This doesn't give me confidence that we have the right offensive coordinator going forward.

You had confidence in Cornelsen after his work so far?

If I'm being honest, my confidence in Cornelsen was shaky before this latest revelation. Now, my confidence in Cornelsen went from shaky to not very confident. I always believed Darrell Dickey (Fuente's Co OC) would have worked out better for us, but he went to Texas A&M when Fuente became our HC.

This revelation has made me miss the days of O'Cainspring...well, not really...but you know what I mean

I think Fuente see himself in Corny and is grooming him to grow in the profession. We all have to start somewhere. If Fuente had brought Norvell with him instead, the dynamic might have been different but I think Fuente knew Norvell had deign on being a head coach so took Corny with him instead.

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Norvell didn't coach with Fuente. He was head coach at Arizona State and was hired to replace Fuente. Do you mean Darrell Dickey?

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My bad.

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Simple reason he didn't get rid of Corn...because Lechtenberg is not ready to be OC yet.

I think I might love this man.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

...did Corny say something to invoke that response? I can't imagine throwing punches at someone just because you think they're incompetent.

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All I heard is that Corn did not take the insults quietly, but I have no specifics on what was said in response to Kill's, um, critique.

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Fair enough. I can't imagine anyone taking that sitting down.

Honestly the story isn't very cute to me. If true, it means Kill tried to fist fight another coach (I'd be fired for that at my job) and Corny is probably bad at film evaluation.

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I mean, French does a better job of breaking down game film, including highlighting how to beat UVa which Cornelson, for whatever reason, could not do.

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ok, this easily is the best or funniest post I've ever read on TKP, if true that is, which I understand is 3rd hand, still hilarious

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Jerry comes to town to watch film, drink at the bar, kick ass, and leave town after one year. Pretty awesome coaching tenure.

Coincidentally, Jerry's reaction after one meeting with the staff is about the same as mine after watching some of our games the last few years.

This is probably in poor taste but I can't resist: When Jerry Kill does film evaluations...other people have seizures

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Just more proof that Corny is in over his head and that we should have thrown the damn football against UVA's weak ass secondary.

Maybe working with Corny is another reason DD didn't want to come here...

Also, which bar did he go drinking at? I hope he had a rail.

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If Jerry did not have some desk hooch, I would be very disappointed.

Click here to destroy wall.

Multiple people on TKP mentioned last fall that Kill was shocked at how bad Corn was at film review and that he didn't like Zohn either.

I did not however know about this almost a drunken fight, which certainly adds a hilarious (albeit unprofessional) aspect to the story.

I heard about kill saying our offensive coaches couldn't break down film, but didnt hear of the argument. Must be some truth to it.

Kill for prez

All I know is that if Kill was making those kind of waves that early on, maybe he wasn't doing his job right either. To spark a fist fight when your job is to help collaborate? My guess is that there is some truth to it but not as spectacular as it sounds. It also isn't a good look for Fuente if Corny is that bad and he hadnt stepped in prior, another thing I find hard to believe. But who knows. There is a lot of testosterone in meeting rooms, just like there is on the field.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

I didn't even watch film on UVA and knew their secondary was bad. That first half was absolutely infuriating. Corn literally called the same stuff that he called against Pitt knowing damn well UVA SEC'd their schedule to get a better look at us.

Fuente is a smart guy. Why he can't see that Corn is in over his head is beyond me. I hope he figures it out because, as we saw with O'Cainspring, you don't want it to be too late.

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This story wasn't as cute as I expected.

But still pretty interesting, and makes me more sorry he's gone.

Good thing Vice held him back, otherwise he would've Killed him.

This is discouraging, to say the least. If Corn can't break down film after the fact with no pressure, how the hell is he going be worth a damn with in-game management and adjustment of the offense? How can he call a play if he can't break down what the defense is doing to stop him?

And why is he in a press box? Might as well be in a bunker and throwing darts with a blindfold on.

If VT offense gets crappy again without Kill in the press box...

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Would someone draw a picture of what this looked like? I'm serious.

this is the closest to GUNTAR i'll ever get

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

A few thoughts:

1. I question how truly "incompetent" Corny is. He's had a good run numbers-wise with the past teams (though it was noted he shared responsibilities etc. with others) but I would argue numbers suggest he's not over his head, and even the fact that his offenses at Tech have done well (relatively speaking) too. So Corny may not be how Kill would've wanted him, but I'm skeptical if this paints an overall picture of how good (or not good) Corny is.

2. As others have alluded, if Kill truly did act that way, then that's not someone I'd want on my team at all. You bring him on to help and you do this kind of childish act of getting into a fight with someone on the staff after having a few at the bar? That's a deal breaker.

fights are a two way street- he simply was brought in to consult, and I imagine he said something that struck a nerve. Kill doesn't seem like he goes from team to team to start fights. But if an OC can't break down film, that is mind blowing. WE are truly rudderless with our coaching staff.

But if an OC can't break down film,

I guess i'm doubting / questioning this. Corny has schemes that have taken advantage of defenses if games he's coached at Memphis and at Tech, which would suggest he knows how to do film break down, so I would take that with a grain of salt.

Here is what I think, kill didnt get his wife to drive him from Illinois all the way to Blacksburg just to piss off Cornelson. He just spoke his mind, I think Cornelson's issue is he cant deal with defenses that change up on him. He cant counter punch. He goes in with a good game plan, but cant adapt well on the fly

Speculation but I guess you're entitled to your opinion. I would disagree with the notion that Corny can't adapt on the fly. French's breakdown of game film has shown Corny always having a good scheme relative to the strengths and weaknesses of the opponent throughout the game so I don't agree with that.

this is as Kill as Kill gets. I have family friends in Minnesota who knew Kill loosely while there as boosters. He was honest and in your face no matter who you were, or so they say.

I wish Kill would have stayed for at least 3 years. It would have been great for the program.

1) This is the kind of insider content that I come here to hear

2) I'm not opposed to seeing Jerry Kill punch Brad Cornelson

3) Vice is exactly the guy I thought he was

4) Jeez am I hoping this is true. I'm considering it true, book it.

5) Hey IllinoisHokie, how do you feel about a firebradcornelsen.com?

The takeaway I had from reading the Roanoke Times' article is that he had a hand in Hooker being named the starter and was highly complimentary of Hamilton's future.

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I do not like to speculate, but I would say the article is pretty telling/gives SOME truth to the story above and reports we have heard about Corn. He mentions CJF as the offensive mind, Hamilton as an up and comer, Claeys (just a good friend so he obviously was going to praise), and Bill Teerlinck. He gave the main defensive staff props and not 1 word about the OC....he gave all the offensive credit to Fuente. Then the QB change was "critical" we all know who coaches the QB's and I assume has control of the QB room and a bit of say on the depth chart.

This year without Kill could be interesting. Hopefully CJF has his big boy pants on and ready to use them. No amount of donated money is going to change a coach who can't, that the HC decides to hold on to.

Two comments

1) I noted when Kill was hired that his Minnesota teams excelled at finding creative ways to run play pass and bootleg. They also figured out ways to get the tight ends more involved in the passing game. We saw what happened.

2) While I was as frustrated as anyone with the UVA game planned, the Kentucky game exposed why Cornelsen is likely adverse to putting his quarterbacks in bad situations. For as decimated as the UVA secondary was, they still disguised their coverages and zone blitzes well. It was very obvious that Willis in 2018 was gun shy against UVA's coverage because he couldn't get an effective pre-snap read on their coverage and had been drilled not to make a mistake.
Hooker was less prone to making bad choices in the passing game. But, he struggled in the drop back passing game with timing and accuracy. Against zones and zone blitzes, inaccuracy or slow decision-making (first year starter who got to play a bunch of teams which did not scheme anywhere near as exotically as UVA, so it is understandable) leads to turnovers.

For Hooker's strengths, at least the 2019 version, the offensive flow had to showcase the run and then build a play pass structure off that running game. UVA was good enough against the run to limit the effectiveness of the play pass game. Kentucky wasn't as good against the run, but got VT in just enough 3rd and medium situations where Hooker didn't execute in the drop back game to pull out the win. (It didn't help Hooker that Hazelton should never have ever been called upon to run a slant in a big spot. I digress.)

Hopefully Cornelsen learned and grow. We all fail. How we learn and grow from failure is what drives the engine of success.

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Thank you for your level headed reasonings. I do think Hooker made a huge difference in sparking the offense and hopefully he can build on his experience. I also freely admit that Cornelsen is a young coach but it's time for him to step up and go big.

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Yeah, I want to know if Cornelson learned anything from it, specifically if he can break film down better now. Time will tell.

Corny's current contract is set to expire in June. Just saying.. there's still a chance...

I can't imagine he's going anywhere. Who's out there who can replace him in June?

Kill is a class act and no one should ever fault him for want to go work with one of his best friends. If Gary hangs it up then I hope Fuente is on his door step as fast a our jet can get him there.

This is by far the most entertaining thread of the offseason for me. How much could the Hokie Club have raised to have a PPV match between them?

Corn would obviously have the Jet-leg sweep as his go to move.

STICK IT IN!
STICK IT IN!
STICK IT IN!

Jerry then counters with some sweet chin music. Actually, see him as more of a pile driver guy. Through the table in the coaches room. He covers Corn for the pin, and Fu in a turn of events gives the quick three count and gives Jerry the belt in his office. Somewhere Jim Ross says "bah gawd he broke him in half!!!"

I don't know. Looking at the picture the Roanoke Times used, I think Kill would have channeled Goldberg and just speared Corny into the turnbuckle.

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I would be happy with a Mtv deathmatch throwback.

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I would rather see the two of them compete in Most Extreme Elimination Challenge

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Cornelsen has to be Guy LeDouche...right?

Imagining that voice coming out of Corny's mouth as he describes his game plan is awesome

Right you are French!

I have a feeling the meeting went something like this before things started going sideways

Right into the fluid!