October 2020 Football Recruiting Thread

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We really need a DT or two. Looks like Devin Lee is going SEC. Would Nelson or Jackson be big enough to slide inside since both are 260+.

Wish we had a better baseball program and could do a hard pitch to Tywone Malone. A guy can dream.

My guess is that we take a developmental 3t, as we are much deeper there relative to N/1t, so probably an Ian Mathews type, or if we can pull back in on Devin Lee.

For a N/1t type I think if we cannot flip Tyleik Williams (no developments there) we will have to go JUCO again to get a ready to play body for 2021.

I hate relying on it and would love to see our recruiting improve but the transfers and JUCOs in have paid big dividends for us in our first game this year

It's going to be really really interesting to see how many people next year enter the portal because the guy in front of them on the depth chart stays an extra year due to this year not costing them a year of eligibility.

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It seems to me there won't be a lot of portal slots available next year - particularly for guys who have someone in front of them on depth charts.

the decision to leave for the draft will be interesting. What do 4-year and 5-year seniors do? They essentially have to make an assessment as if they are a junior leaving early. Or maybe they'll have some special rule this year where seniors (and only seniors) can opt for the draft or free agent signing and then come back if it doesn't work out, idk.

Also, graduate transfers. Would Rashard Ashby or player of his caliber, for example, graduate undergrad and transfer to play for SEC blue blood in 2021 if he isn't on NFL draft boards? (I have no idea how Ashby is viewed by the NFL, but the general point being a super solid senior that may be a 7th rounder or FA signing, practice squad guy in NFL on a upper mid-tier college program like VT.) Would a blue blood even take on a super senior?

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Yeah I'm not anti-JUCO at all. I think there is a time and place for them to be very useful, especially for filling holes with guys who sometimes have a great mentality from the adversity they've experienced to that point.

I would like to have a couple four year DL in the pipeline though at all times.

I'm actually a fan of JUCO and transfer DL. It worked for terror dome baby!

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I agree, I like it too. I was just saying for roster construction purposes you don't want to be too reliant on it because of the shortened window. I'm more than happy to take some JUCOs/transfers every year to fill needs. I just also like to have young guys in the pipeline at key positions as well.

One area that this may impact I don't see a lot of folks talking about, is the draft.

Within the first 10 mins of the NCS game, literally al l the transfers we had been excited about made plays. If they keep this up, there is no reason why they should go in the draft.

Additionally, it not only makes us look smart for taking someone like Reed, but also for him. If he keeps up with what he is doing, there is no reason to think his draft stock catapulted to new levels being at VT.

Last couple of years were down, but now we may start seeing a lot of guys get into the pros, transfers and other kids Fu picked up. That will be huge for recruiting as a whole, as it will start to prove that our coaches can get you there.

Previously LowBrau.

At first I thought Justus Reed's past medical issues and advanced age would make him a lackluster draft prospect, perhaps artificially forcing him into an UDFA deal.

However, if he puts together a double digit sack season, and with the way NFL teams can extort value from shitty mid-late round draft contracts, I could see someone viewing him as a pretty solid value pick. Low risk in the regard that he wouldn't be hitting the cap hard, and if he doesn't make a 2nd contract then they can move on at low cost, but if he excels and is healthy then they got his first few years cheap.

He needs, what, 2 more games to hit double digit sacks?

Two more games quarters

FTFY

Two more games quarters. I will take 6 sacks against UNC rather than Duke.

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Both pls

I see the recruiting thread is off to a focused start.

We're talking about hokie football, that's a win in my book

Demarkus Bowman, Clemson RB, hitting the portal already.

That was fast.

So assuming he doesn't play for us, he will be eligible to play wherever he wants this season, right?

Betting he ends up in Florida at one of the Big 3: UF, Miami or UCF.

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UCF is in the big 3 in Florida ?

Well, they are definitely ahead of FSU on that list.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

F-A&M may be knocking on the door for 4th banana at this point.

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I mean they have a natty in the last 5 years...

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They're big time.

Nyke with some highlights from last night

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Give me some Tahj Bullock

All of this

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Tahj threw 5 touchdowns and ran for 1.

Getting more excited by the day to see him in a tech uniform.

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I missed this before - must not be TKP'ing hard enough. That's awesome news! Looking forward to getting him on campus!!! I'd love to get a great passer and have a great RB as well!

Wasn't there a supposed flip happening these past couple of weeks. Like a big get who had committed elsewhere but coming back to the good guys? Or did I miss something?

Previously LowBrau.

You did not miss anything. I think there are some people on here who claim to be in the know, when really they might have heard someone, who heard someone, who thinks they know something.

So basically:

17 and 18 year olds do not operate on any specific schedule.

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Yeah, I get that. But the folks in the know made it sound like it was coming in the next week or two and was a done deal.

Previously LowBrau.

I never said anything was imminent... I said there are possible legs to a potential flip soon, now you interpreting as within the next couple weeks is on your own doing. But most recently we have secured another silent commit. Stay tuned, if we can handle business on the field recruits will follow.

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Ah ok. Guess when we hear something knew, we assume it's something coming soon.

I agree, we keep things up this season and things will get good.

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possible legs to a potential flip soon, now you interpreting as within the next couple weeks is on your own doing

i don't think it's fair to say people are misinterpreting a possible timeframe, since you used the word "soon"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not a shock...comittment seemingly came out of nowhere with most of his "top" teams being SEC.

Probably another non-committable offer "transforming." Will know in a week or so, seems to be the requisite grace period before announcing your new commitment.

Still hurts, another shot to the '21 class. Probably too late to do much to bring this class up, but the Staff really needs to address Recruiting issues ASAP--can't rely solely on Transfers to fill misses in Recruiting.

can't rely solely on Transfers to fill misses in Recruiting

So much this. I'm certainly happy to have the transfers we have, but at some point we have to land kids we can develop into legitimate P-5 players.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Piggybacking on this - Transfers/JUCOs should be used to fill one or two gaps on the roster each year. Any more than that (on a consistent basis) you risk destabilizing your roster. Bill Snyder is the only coach to effectively and consistently field teams with a significant amount of Transfers/JUCOs. Could Fuente can sustain this? I suppose it's possible, but it definitely makes me nervous.

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Makes me nervous as well, but I think the portal requires you to look at it differently than how things were done in the Snyder era. Still, I'd rather be able to get back to consistently recruiting in the Top 30.

The transfer portal has simply turned transfers into another form of recruiting. Second chance recruiting, if you will, for players who developed late or early and either got over-recruited or under-recruited. The fact that a team may only get transfers for a year or two just means there's an additional layer of roster management.

If the fanbase wants to consistently contend for ACC championship, folks need to get past the quaint notion of a few winning seasons and, voila, VT is going to consistently recruit at a top 15 (or even top 20) level.

The roster development game has completed changed in the last 10 years or so. There are too many factors going against VT being able to be consistently competitive in the 2020's by focusing almost entirely on traditional recruiting route of focusing on top in-state and nearby out-of-state high school recruits.

Virginia Tech needs to utilize the strengths it does have - and be creative and a step of others in order to remain competitive going forward. If that means dipping into the transfer portal for a handful of players every year, so be it.

Any more than that (on a consistent basis) you risk destabilizing your roster

I know you included the consistent basis caveat and other posters have made counterpoints above, but this line stood out to be because I get the sense that transfers/JUCOs significantly stabilized our team in the wake of 2018. It feels like there was a massive void in peer leadership and the staff was able to bring in experienced players who really helped transform the attitude inside the locker room.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

It's a fair point, and I think Fuente has used the transfer market very well. I'm just concerned if we can scout, recruit, and deploy transfers at this same rate every single year.

This season we have at least 5 key pieces who are transfers (Blackshear, Herbert, Hoffman, Justice, Burnmiester - though he was brought over to build depth), and I'm sure some other players who are getting a lot of snaps. I'm just not sure how feasible it is to have 25% of your starting roster be guys who only have 1-2 years of eligibility. I suppose it's similar to getting five guys each year who leave early for the draft. Maybe I'm wrong, and this is doable now that there's so many players transferring this year.

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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I foresee the transfer market remaining a big chunk of the roster talent. But we will also lose some to the market so the net gain isnt as valuable as it may seem. We still need to up our standard recruiting significantly. And building depth is going to be interesting because your borderline two deep players are running for the portal.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

The TSL podcast addressed this thoroughly. The recruiting is not on the staff but more so on the admin not allocating enough funds to the football program for recruiting. I believe the numbers shook out to VT spending about 38% on football recruiting where UNC was spending 51%..... before Mack Brown. The staff is doing their best with essentially a skeleton crew and bare bones funding. It actually is truly remarkable that we were able to field winning teams recently- given what they had to work with.

We have hired five new people dedicated to recruiting, so were getting there.

Semi related, but 247 has rankings for the best recruiters and coaches in the country. They are rated on the number of recruits and their composite scores, just like team ratings are compiled.

Virginia Tech's highest coach nationally for the 2021 cycle is... Adam Lechtenberg at 112th nationally, 20th in the ACC. Next are James Shibest, and Jafar Williams at 133 and 152 respectively. I don't know if this is a chicken/egg situation compared to the spending route, or what, but you have to think it will get better, right?

We make some great offers though /s ...

*Ducks*

The coaches are certainly not without their share of the blame/responsibility. But at the same time we haven't exactly put them in a situation to succeed. It's like an NFL team drafting a QB, surrounding him with lackluster talent/coaching, then acting shocked when he fails to develop. Sure, he might just be bad, but he never had a chance. If we were a big money school we could afford to just cut ties and move on, but given our limitations it's almost certainly cheaper to invest in recruiting staff, and if it doesn't work out that investment should still pay dividends for the next staff.

Are you suggesting cutting ties with Fuente (if we had the money)? We've talked on here a lot about his positives and negatives. Yes, recruiting is NOT doing well, but there's always the mantra that winning cures everything. We've brought in some studs through the portal (which we tend to ignore when looking at recruiting classes), and just put up 45 and 38 points on our first two P5, in-conference opponents. It seems like we're headed in the right direction. Yeah, like I said, we're having our misses in recruiting, but let's see if we can't continue what we've been doing, have a very successful season (who on here would have guessed before the beginning of the season that we'd score that many points against in-conference opponents? Put your hands down, liars!) , and translate that into recruits next year.

And yes, I know, people will say "we keep saying 'next year'" but has anybody felt this excited about football in a long time? Probably not since 2016, and even then, I feel more excite about our offense this year than that year. And I hadn't felt excited about offense before 2016 for I don't know how many years. Even back in 2011 when we went 11-3, we only scored over 28 in 6 of our 14 games. 2010 is the last time we put up a lot of points.
And we've been playing with a heavily depleted defense, but still getting the job done. We rank #1 in the NCAA in sacks, and our D-line was supposed to be a weakness of ours.

So if we haven't been excited about our team, recruits most likely haven't been either. Like I said, if we can keep this up, I gotta believe this will translate into recruiting in the future.

Fuente has loaded the staff with young, energetic guys and brought in/kept experience with Vice, Shibest, Claeys. I think in a normal recruiting year, we will see the benefit. Keep in mind for almost all of 2020, they cannot host or visit recruits. It is a dead period. It is a terrible year to go on star rankings since camps are limited as well.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Yeah, I forgot to mention that - I think a lot of the staff turnover, or maybe more importantly the hires, was to focus on recruiting. Leading the nation in sacks and other D-line play will hopefully get some guys drafted and the TnT hire should definitely bring in some high ranked guys. I think Smith, young and in touch with the region was probably geared at identifying more with the young guys and recruiting VA. JHam I think will start bringing in some talent, it probably feels more like a gamble from a recruits perspective (if other schools aren't using his lack of coaching experience against us directly). But considering how we're doing with our 2nd and 3rd string guys in, seems like we're headed the right direction both on the field and hopefully with recruiting as well.

And yeah, Vice is coaching up some guys, Lechtenberg seemed like a gamble, but we're getting amazing running results this year, so that looks like it's paying off. Definitely feel like we're headed in a good direction.

Here's where I'm at right now, the panned 2020 recruiting class looks like it has two potential key players/starters in Strong and Jenkins and the top of the class hasn't had to play yet. And that's a "poor" small class. So to me, there appears to be some good chops by the staff to find talent. If they can figure out a way to reel in known talent, then that's a game changer. I feel like we're getting closer and closer to the old normal and farther and farther away from the new normal recruiting wise.

To be fair, Strong wouldn't be playing if this was a normal year.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Very true, but he showed out last weekend and that's promising

I agree. He has the potential for sure.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I'm not saying that, I like Fuente a lot and am optimistic about where the program is headed. But I also always default to psyched because football is fun and being negative is less fun. Even if I'm not nearly as convinced as I used to be that Fuente is the guy, there's no way we could afford the buyout and find someone obviously better, so I think there's little upside in rolling the dice and spending the money that could be invested long term. This especially considering this staff shakeup may be just what we needed.

That said, in CFB today, recruiting is priority 1, 2, and 3 and Fuente has yet to push us beyond where we were when Frank stepped down (nevermind his peak). For our situation, I think trying to move on would cripple us financially and a bad hire could put us in a hole that would take up to a decade to crawl out of. But, if we had the money to just fire people and get some mega booster to pony up the cash, I'd have a much harder time defending this staff.

Also semi related: know someone who had a convo with TH's dad and asked why he didn't commit to VT and how it was being recruited by them in comparison to other schools. Dad said he loved vt but they "acted like they didn't care that much" (which to me says we just can't compete with the time or perks like the blue bloods can with all their $$).
Said LSU emphasized the girls and party scene and that turned them off from there; said bamas turn off was they made it feel like he was applying to a very strict job, no nonsense no fun you're gonna show up and clock in, no warm and fuzzies about it.

TH?

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

GGC has a point

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Took me far to long to figure out what 7H3 meant, lol

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Is that Huggins or someone else?

I could be making things up in my head, but hasn't it been said CJF's recruiting style is to not kiss your ass? Which in my mind (assumption) is why we do better in the portal with "older" players. Which I can respect because in the end you'll have committed players and not someone chasing crap that shines.

Yeah - hard to tell what they mean by "not caring." Follow-up direct contact with staff? This could be limited by recruiting staff. Not kissing up like you pointed out. Someone posted a tweet from a recruit who'd gotten all kinds of postcards and stuff from coaches and staff, so seems like the attention to the recruits is there.

That's what I would assume based on the short statements in each given. We just don't have the staff or funds to be in the kids lap every day like schools with unlimited staff and dough.

This aligns with other feedback that I have read and heard regarding CJF. He will not win anyone over with his personality and until he has tangible thing a to sell (Coastal/ACC 'ships, high draft picks, etc..) I would expect mediocre recruiting until the assistants get there feet under them in the recruiting game. Basically, I don't believe he is the type of person to "sell" a recruit on coming to VT like a salesman or a closer. He is like Carvana, he lays it out in a very unemotional (some may argue uninspiring) way and it's basically take it or leave it and if not we'll see if the next guy buys it. That's what he is for better or worse. Hopefully one of the assistants can become that ace recruiter AND stick around if they do.

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So like Nick Saban and Urban Meyer

Yeah those three are pretty much the same. Well, except for all the conference and national championships, maybe that makes a difference I'm not sure.

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You were talking about personality

One of the things I mentioned was his personality. Since he does not have all the hardware and rings and trophies and track record of yearly 1st round picks, his pitch and the seeming delivery of it doesn't seem to be resonating as well. Again, I think he has an eye for talent but there is no debate that he has not closed on his identified priority targets the past couple yrs. The recruiting of Devyn Ford, specifically his visit and dinner with the coaches, and the comments in this thread regarding Henderson lead me to believe CJF could improve on his ability to recruit relative to his peers.

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I've never been recruited by Fuente, but I did have the chance to meet him. I found him to be far from 'uninspiring.' He shows plenty of emotion. He's not a bullshitter; he's honest, straight forward, and doesn't sugar coat things. Most high end recruits have never had their skill level questioned, and have never had to 'wait their turn' so I imagine that some are put off by honest conversations. He seems like the kind of guy who practices 'radical candor.'

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I am very critical of our recruiting, but I would imagine those "honest conversations" about waiting their turn go over a lot better at blue bloods. I also think those are probably particularly hard to have when presenting from VT right now, but hopefully this season helps changes that hurdle if it's true.

1000% agree. There's a ton of room for improvement in recruiting (from a relationship building standpoint, and a product standpoint, as you alluded to), but this notion that Fuente is some emotionless robot (as NOLAHokie seems to imply) who just gives a recruit an offer, then tells them "take it or leave it" is just not true (sidenote - I have #sauces who say this was paul johnson's recruiting approach).

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I didn't think he was an emotionless robot, I don't think I implied tact, but if I did, my bad. He seems way too down to earth to be that way. There 100% has to be a way back to his couple of very nice classes and I think/hope our staff is headed in the right direction long term.

I'm not trying to say he's an emotionless robot. I'm saying that he is super upfront and honest and probably doesn't rely on tugging at the heartstrings of 17-18 year-olds to earn commitments (for better or worse). I think his and the staff's eye for talent is great but I would like to see those evaluations turn into commitments on signing day at a higher percentage than they currently are.

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i dont even know if the "you'll have to wait your turn" thing is even really what VT is selling. We've seen so many players be immediate contributors in the last few years (whether juco, traditional transfers, or true freshmen) that it doesn't seem to jive tbh

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Here's my problem with the it's Money, Facilities, ect....

VT has always been at a disadvantage to the Blue Bloods in these respects. So then why did we seemingly Recruit well in '17, '18, and '19??

While none of those classes were even top-20, they were in the top-half of the ACC and seemed to be moving in right direction.

The problem for me is the last 2 classes have fallen off dramatically..yet we're devoting more money and staff to Recruiting...??...doesn't compute.

There's a lot of factors to consider:

  • Inflation in spending over the past few seasons - From 2017-2018, B10 revenue increased 48%. Just like COVID is hitting certain industries hard than others, the inflation hits schools like VT harder than others.
  • The ACC has gotten better from a recruiting perspective. Dino, Mack, Geoff, etc are all improvements over their predecessors
  • The 2018 SI story definitely hurt our recruiting - we need to rebuild that trust with coaches and recruits
  • We're changing defensive schemes, so recruits on that side of the ball are probably wondering what product we're selling
  • We're reestablishing ties in the state of VA. Zohn was allegedly giving out in-state offers like they were candy on Halloween, and a lot were not committable. Not only did this devalue a VT offer, but I imagine recruits didn't trust it. The new strategy around only offering in state recruits that the staff really likes was a direct response to this (I read a longform piece on this, but I can't dig it up right now, I'll update if I find it).
  • The team hasn't had a win on the national stage in... a couple seasons? The brand is not where was 2-3 years ago. Need to get some wins on the field to help get wins off the field.
  • Finally, our 2021 class might be underrated due to the market inefficiency caused by COVID. It's possible that this is a top25 class, but due to the cancelation of camps and some football seasons, 247/rivals have not been able to scout players correctly.

None of these factors alone caused the dip in recruiting, but between changes in the competitive landscape, past mistakes from the staff, and a lack of funding, we're in a undesirable position. Yes, some coaches (both fired and current) are at fault, but the staff is/has course corrected. However, that correction takes time. More money can accelerate that time table.

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We started to THIS year; i.e Cory Fuller, JGW, Alex White, etc.

We have been par for the course in those listed classes, and 2020 has been discussed ad nauseum. We have been at a disadvantage to the blue bloods bc we have always been a fiscally "tight" athletic dept. You cant expect to compete with the blue bloods if you're not willing to spend like the blue bloods. This goes well beyond Hokie Club, this is an allocation issue. This is why Fu bluffed with jetting to Baylor, we were not willing to take the necessary measures to be a truly competitive program. This is not a difficult equation, if we really want to be "back", then we need to spend the money where it matters, get the necessary staff in place, and then begin building the correct way.

TSL had in their pod that at one of the recruiting meetings with the ACC, UVA had TWICE the number of recruiting staff that we did. That is unacceptable. IMO, if there is blame, its at the feet of Whit, not Fu. Fu has done an incredible job when you consider in the uphill battle hes had in regards to recruiting. Hell, when the Sons of Saturday had Iezzi on, he said we didnt have HUDL until LAST YEAR. And we wonder why recruiting has been down...

Now there's plenty of room to bring in Jayden Keller

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The pitch works for some people really well. The damn things are framed and on their wall in the image Tech sent them. "This is Home" taken directly into their home.

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Damn that's pretty creative

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Let's get this guy on staff as a recruiting closer. By his twitter it seems he just gets "it"

(note: I know we cant hire him since his son committed)

Anyone (edit: know) if there's a connection here?

Got quote tweeted by Field Yates fwiw

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Pfafftown is in NW Forsyth County (NW of Winston Salem) and is on US 52 which is on the way up to Blacksburg. Fun Fact: High School is named after Ronald Reagan.

Here's his highlights:

http://www.hudl.com/v/2CVcnL

I'm willing to bet French would be concerned with his lack of footwork and pad level.

Get that man an offer if he doesn't have one.

When lots of states were pushing their HS seasons to the spring Barton and Bud talked awhile on their podcast about how playing a senior season is more important to development than enrolling early with only three years, even less for some who didn't start varsity as freshmen in high school. They also talked about how enrolling early is an advantage for a lot of players (in a normal year), but that the significance of it is often inflated by fans.

That is good to know. He definitely seems like a guy who wants to be a Hokie so I have no worries about him changing his mind. And to be honest, I wouldn't begrudge anyone who wants to spend as much time with their friends and family in a situation like right now.

Considering many of us don't know what the spring will entail, and the advantage is overstated as you (and others) say - stay in California, have fun, and keep developing as best as you can.

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he was part of the big TX2VT offer push and we had hosted his father and older brother (a transfer RB) on campus in the fall, and if i remember correctly he was supposed to come to the spring game with the whole TX2VT gang. His brother picked aTm and so did he.

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Are we going to sign a large fellow at D-tackle? Please say yes. Please, anyone, say yes.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

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It may be about time for CJF to get back to fishing in the transfer portal. More success there than in HS recruiting.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/12997939/Micah-Pollard
Jersey #: 41
Positions: SS
Height & Weight: 6'3" 200lbs
Class of: 2022

Twitter profile says he is an OLB. He is another Jacksonville product

any relation to Norell? also FL guy but i think the Orlando area

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah Norell is from just outside Orlando. Not sure if any relation as I don't have a Twitter account and can't see who follows him. I didn't see Norell retweet or respond to this tweet though for what you can infer from that

That's one stout shortstop /s

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Tevin White's top 6 does not include VT. Was really hoping we could stay in contention now that we're showing what a talented back can do in our offense :(

Pedo State, UGa, sure. These are the legit Big Dogs.
Tennessee? USCjr? Um, I guess they're having a resurgence to SEC mediocrity.
ASU? I dunno. Maybe he did a google image search for ASU coeds, but for football?
Duke? I'm just not seeing it.

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don't sleep on arizona state. that staff has a T O N of nfl experience as players and coaches -- i'd guess more so than any other P5 staff

https://thesundevils.com/sports/football/coaches

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If I'm a LB or any defensive player considering ASU as a school...to be coached by Pierce/Lewis and getting the ASU campus "experience".....sign me up.

This makes perfect sense if you are working under the assumption that he is "a big devil guy"

We haven't put a RB in the league since '11?

We're gonna reset that clock real soon. Of course, I'm not sure how much we can claim on KH21's talent development, but at least we gave him a line to run behind.

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If Wisconsin can claim Russell Wilson, get can claim Herbert!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Trey Edmunds...although he transferred as a grad student.

He was an UDFA out of college, so I don't think that really counts. Beams and crew screwed the pooch with him, unfortunately.

good. get it out of the way now, and we can move on. better than being strung along, and having false hope.

12th reported P5 offer

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

It's simple, I trust Vice's evals.

6th P5 offer but smart kid -- offers from multiple ivies, rice, and air force

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

First name Remington...from Texas...yep, this checks out

Right after Brock was put on the Rimington watch list too...

His other siblings:
Smith, Wesson, Walther, Colt, and Kalashnikov

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Strong name

Michigan and OU offers most recent.

Will be a tough pull, but OL is something we are showcasing every week. Hopefully he's tuning in.

Wonder how he feels about playing defensive tackle...

Don't care about stars, if Vice wants him, I'm on board.

Well he's a big fella. I like it.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

he was also excited enough that 15 minutes after he tweeted out his offer, he retweeted himself

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I see Remington's got a quick draw...FIRE!

Nah, double barrel. Duh.

TWSS

Oooooh I like that

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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A week late on this, but wow:

Link

Jalen Hoyle
Dwight Morrow quarterback

The Maroon Raiders senior scored five touchdowns in a 34-14 win over Glen Ridge. He ran for 190 yards and three TDs, threw for a TD and returned an interception 82 yards for a TD. On defense, he had 11 tackles – four for a loss – and forced a fumble.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Did not know he played QB. My super orange and marron, irrational brain saw this and thought, "Kam Chancellor?"

Don't kill the messenger, but T.J. Huggins to Tulane. I know he was a target for a while, and people assumed he would be get a stronger look after Curry decommit - but that just didn't happen.

Are we sure he wasn't trying to commit to go "to Lane" to play in college? Could this all be a big misunderstanding?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I LOLd. But seriously though, I'm very surprised, looking at that offer list, and seeing him pick Tulane.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Really big mardi gras fan?

If you look at an offer list full of P5's and they pick a G5 then there is usually a reason, and 98% of the time those "offers" aren't really offers anymore for one reason or another.

Unless he wants to be a doctor and thinks the odds of that happening are greater than him going pro so he picked a school that (apparently) has a good medical program that he'll get his education paid for with a scholarship? If that's his plan, he'd definitely redshirt as well for the extra year of tuition.

There are always exceptions. So we can always come up with an anecdotal reason why a recruit might do something like this, but it's not often the reason.

Though I will say that it's my understanding that we actually did just straight up lose an OL recruit or two to App State who had committable VT offers.

I wonder if they rethink that commitment seeing how our offensive line is performing now.

Sigh. I hate UVA.

I hope so, but for teams like us it often doesn't matter.

This is the best our OL has looked in a long time, maybe ever. There's still a good chance we finish this recruiting class missing on almost all of our top OL targets.

We have Khalil Herbert in Heisman contention, averaging almost 10 ypc in an offense rushing for over 300 ypg, he's almost certainly gone after this season leaving open the starting job for next year, and we likely won't even sign a 4* running back this cycle, and if LSU offers Kenji Christian then we may well lose our top RB recruit despite all of our on-field rushing success.

Such is the nature of college football.

I agree. The headscratchers are when a recruit picks a school that isn't as good from a football program perspective and the education isn't as good either. If someone chooses an Ivy or other very good academic program, it seems like there's at least the possibility the recruit chose academics over football. Not saying that's what actually happened, just that it could make sense when compared to a recruit picking App State or ECU over us or something.

Do you know this to be a fact or something? It is oddly specific.

Pure conjecture - just looked up Tulane and it said they are a strong medical program so chose doctor just because of that.

My wife interviewed there for a Ph.D. in Epidemiology while we were in New Orleans on our honeymoon. Considering the research she did just to come to a point to interview, I would not behoove anyone from going to Tulane. Also cant fault anyone for choosing to go their for the simple fact that it is in New Orleans.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I would not behoove anyone from going to Tulane.


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Begrudge maybe?

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FWIW, VIrginia Tech has both a MD and DO school and Virginia Tech Carilion is a higher ranked med school than Tulane.

I might love Travis Shaw, DT 2022, NC, as much as any player I have seen in a long time. Any intel on this guy? Are T and T camping out at his house?

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

VT '10 #AllMaroonEverything

for reference

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

need Ws over better than average teams to bring in this kind of talent. I pray we beat Clemson somehow and maybe perception will start changing.

If I am a recruit (O line or R-back), I really don't care if we ran for 300+ on State, Duke, BC and nearly UNC. Beat someone decent and maybe I will consider you over blues and even lower-tier teams in the mix.

A lot more than a few W's over better than average teams are needed...a LOT more.

On average Recruits don't care about individual wins or losses.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Individual, no. Trends of winning vs losing and being an average team, yes.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Beating Clemson opens the eyes of every 22' and beyond recruit. Beating DaU and playing Clemson close does wonders also... imo

Man can you imagine having a player that is 22'! All you'd have to do is have QP throw the ball from our endzone to 22' above the other endzone and it's a touchdown every time. You can't defend that.

I mean hell, assuming at least a 20' wingspan all he'd have to do is fall over and extend. It'd be a first down every play

I too also love all 5 🌟 DT recruits.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

On average, we consistently lose in embarrassingly ways to top teams, terrible teams, and have not beaten anyone of tier 1 relevance in god knows how long (searched W/L and stopped at 2016 due to overwhelmingly feeling of depression).

A W versus Clemson would be a great start and is something only five teams can say in the last six years. The post obviously was not claiming a single game would change a recruits mind, i.e., "Ws", plural. How many games did we lose in 2018, o that is right, 7.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Sees 21 new posts on the recruiting thread...

Is coronavirus over yet?

Hey this set was pretty good. Almost all of them were on topic, just a few of them were recruiting news.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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