Official: Big Ten Back

It's official, the Big Ten will return to play this fall.

https://bigten.org/news/2020/9/16/the-big-ten-conference-adopts-stringen...

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Wow. It's like they don't have the news in those markets. No way this goes off well.

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Big Ten after the SEC, ACC and Big 12 didn't cancel their seasons.

I gotta say, I heard a radio report about University of Illinois' approach and it seems like the gold standard: designing and manufacturing their own rapid tests. 10,000 tests administered a day. Every student tested multiple times per week. Isolation and quarantine as needed. Students interviewed said it was nice to be able to do college like normal because there as such a low chance of an infected student walking around campus.

Now I'm not sure if they are still keeping up that rate of testing (the report was from a few weeks back), but I like that they approached it so aggressively so as to get things back to (more) normal for their paying customers: students.

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The ability to test daily is a game changer. That's why it didn't make sense to me for the Big Ten to cancel as early as it did. For a conference so adept at punting to extend a game, it really botched this.

Man, this season is going to be wild.

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Yeah I don't even know what the postseason looks like with some teams playing a full schedule and some only 8 games. Going to be a crazy ride.

The only certainty if there is a playoff selection is the fan response:

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My opinion (not that it matters) is that we should abandon the playoff for a year, and just do bowl games/exhibitions.

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Agreed. If VT were to win it for example, it would be dismissed as "fake" forever, and that would piss me off to no end.

The clear national champion this season is already COVID-19...no need to have a playoff

I say, cancel the bowl and playoff season. And really highlight the conference championships. Make those the biggest reward for the season. That would be a nice change for such a truncated season.

Agree. There is the possibility of seeing a 2-2 team vs a 1-4 team in bowl games this year if they actually have them.

I'm not sure bowl games make financial sense without the fans in the seats. Or for the community...
That's a lot of money to shell out, with very few tickets sold, few hotel rooms, and fans traveling across several states in December and January. Maybe a few could stomach the cost, but some just won't be able to make fiscal sense. (Maybe this can be used to trim the bowl depth back to make it a true reward instead of just extra football.) Let everyone practice and only take 32 teams or so to bowl games. Make em matter.)

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Since it's about the money - how much do schools make for having the games on TV vs. ticket sales? I'm pretty sure they make a LOT more from the tv deals. And if the program is losing money, I'd want for them to be able to make money from a bowl game tv deal.

For the schools, it's about fundraising for the athletic department, and to get whatever tv revenue they can. They can appeal to alumni while still being seen on tv...maybe hoping that those that would have traveled to see games would send those donations to the school since they won't be spending them on-site.

And while the school would be making money, theorectically, from a bowl game, I'm not sure the sponsor wants to lose money on a bowl game. And there may be travel restrictions and concerns...but that's a few months away.

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I really just think there is no need for a bowl game anyways. I think it would be really cool if there was old school emphasis on being the conference champ. Nowadays, it just feels like a stepping stone to the playoffs as opposed to a coveted title.

Agree, I don't know the specifics, but my understanding is that a lot of the bowls lose money on the event from a event dollars and cents perspective. I guess the payoff is the brand advertisement?

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The bowls make money. Revenue sharing allows schools in P5 conferences to make money as well. Smaller schools often lose money because the cost of going to a bowl game is greater than their conference pay out.

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Daily testing. Would love to see the details on how they are going to achieve that and what the cost will be.

Also really:

So a player could miss 3 games for a positive test and they have no built in extra weeks.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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i'm sure there are no teams that would falsely report in these circumstances

University of Illinois had their in house developed rapid saliva test approved by the FDA. So they are producing them at cost. Still, potentially tens of thousands of dollars a week in just testing supplies. Illinois' website says at this point everyone is required to test once per week, but may get a second test per week at no cost if they want.

Again, this is just Illinois, but I would assume the others schools would try to replicate to keep a handle on things.

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So what is Ohio State going to do?

I just read today that a study from OSU recommended that athletes be tested for myocarditis after a positive COVID test, and if there is inflammation, they are shutdown for 3 months.

Is OSU really going to do that? Will the Big10 actually follow the protocol developed at one of their member schools?

Wait, what?

LOL with those standards, they play 2 weeks - max.

Totally! - especially as we enter respiratory season. I don't see how that will work at all.

Daily testing. Would love to see the details on how they are going to achieve that and what the cost will be.

Agreed - I'm curious about the financial planning here. What's the cost going to be of all the testing vs. revenue with no fans in the stands.

What about contact tracing?

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Some industry folks have said that they are hoping that the daily testing would greatly reduce the actual number of people that have to be out, hence the low threshold of 5% being out causing program shutdown for a week. In other words, if they have daily testing they would be relying on positive results rather than contact with an individual who had a positive result. However, will be see how it plays out.

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I mean, that makes sense. If testing is easy, cheap, and fast, then contact tracing becomes contact testing.

Wait, what?

So... Guess we won't be ranked for long. Lol

Is the Big 10 back or bak?

Highly underrated comment. That gave me a good laugh.

So does Clemson wait for ohio state for the playoff championship or just roll with 3 SEC teams?

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3. Wisky, PSU, and OSU will all have one loss, but OSU's loss is an explainable fluke and should be ignored

Really looking forward to watching outdoor games in Minnesota or Nebraska in January. Old time football.

Snow games for days

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I thought I heard they finish mid December.

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Does this mean the State Penn game is "back on"?

So Dan Patrick's marinades were on the money, apparently.

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I guess they really want to see Ohio State lose to Clemson again in the CFP.

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I love to shit on Ohio State as much as the next person, but it took Clemson getting every single break in that game from start to finish to barely beat them last year.

And? Final score is what it is. We were close against KY, but still lost to KY. I also learned their fans suck donkey noodles. We had ND but we lost. A loss is just that, a loss.

At this point, the Braxton Miller spin move cursed them.

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I love to shit on Ohio State as much as the next person, but it took Clemson getting every single break in that game from start to finish to barely beat them last year I love to shit on Clemson more.

FTFY. You're not fooling me!

This is good for VT. The playoff is bound to readjust its schedule to account for Big10 and that gives us more time to fit in games because there will be more cancellations/reschedulings.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Big 10 decision to play 8 plus 1 schedule should eliminate them from CFP Playoff/Championship.

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Only if the other conferences are able to make it through a 10 game season. This now gives the other conferences an out to outright cancel games if need be.

Are you saying bar should be set at 10 games played in order to ride into a championship?

No bar...At the end of the season...a potential undefeated 9-0 Big Ten champion (likely PSU, Ohio State, Michigan, WI) shouldn't be in the 'conversation' when other conference champions have a a longer season.

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I see the testing they say they are going to do and while it sounds good on paper, I'd like to see more info because it seems like a daunting task for daily testing at every school. To me, this seems more like the Big 10 (and Pac-12) observed the science and their situations as universities and decided it wasn't wise to play. They thought everyone else would go along too. They didn't. So they said "Well if those other conferences are out there getting that money, we gotta go get that money too"

That they are after money is in doubt?

An 8 game schedule could end up being a huge advantage for them. Not looking forward to their 7-1 teams getting ranked above our 9-2 or 8-3 teams.

There should be some enforceable standard in amount of games. I also wish everyone was mandated to play 1 FBS nonconference game, so we could have a least a few data points to compare conferences to each other.

Everything has been thrown out the window anyway, they should just go ahead and select a 16 team playoff slate.

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Hell yeah at least 8

Reporting in from the TKP Wisconsin chapter. The university here can barely test 6000 students a week. Test results are taking more than 48 hours. No idea how they're going to turn around and put daily tests in place for athletes in time. And how they're going to get a handle on the current out-of-control spread among the student population, which will inevitably affect the team if it hasn't already.

They must be following the LSU and Clemson model of just infect all the kids.

I guess the Pac-12, MAC, and MW are all trying to get to playing again now.

Reality is, Big 10 thought everyone would follow with the Ivy League, and the Pac12 with them. Only the MAC and MWC did. But no one else did, and called their bluff. Including the Rose Bowl and the CFP. After watching the Sun Belt steal headlines, they couldn't take it.

It wasn't about testing, it wasn't about money (haha, I laughed typing that, yes it is about money), but it has certainly become about pride. When 1-0 App State got ranked over anOSU, it became a problem.

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