Camp Kick-Off Eve- Post your pure speculative depth charts

DEFENSE

RDE- Barno, Griffin, Carroll
LDE- Garbutt (Belmar if healthy,) Adams, Nelson, Pene
NT- Pollard, Fuga, Mamoudi,
DT- Williams, Kendrick, Phillpott, Bailey

M- Hollifield, Artis, McCray
B- Tisdale, Ferguson, Rudolph, Johnson, Keller

W- Conner, (Harvey on passing downs), Peoples

FS- Jenkins, Taylor, Walker, Stroman
BS- Daley, Hunter, Peoples, Matheny

CB- Waller, Chatman, Thompson, Hoyle
CB- Strong, Harvey, Murray, Johnson

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I take it you don't think we'll start an Offense this year? /s

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Starting with defense to get the convo going... plus I got pulled on a call.

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I'm interested to hear your reasoning for Pollard at nose and Williams at the 3t.

Also interested to see you have McCray as a Mike. That was the position I was looking for right away to see if you thought he fit at Backer or Mike.

They will both line up as one tech based on formation and strength. but it seemed like Pollard played more as a 1 and Hewitt as a 3 last year.

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While alignment may change, I expect Pollard to be on the right side of the center (from the linebacker's view) and Williams to be on the left side.

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I think this pretty much covers it albeit with some small tweaks. Just based off my gut and spring ball chatter:

1) McCray immediately contributes as Tisdale's back-up and becomes a monster on ST. Don't think he's a mike this year.
2) Stroman steps into FS backup role, moves Taylor back to CB
3) Harvey gets the nod at KR/PR

Yep... lots of unknown what they envision at LB. There are lots of new bodies there, and most of them seem to be more fits at backer than mike in our traditional sense. I think 2022/2023 is when we start to see more what Hamilton envisions for his LBs.

I could see anyone besides Rudolph and Ferguson getting practice work at mike in camp... none would shock me. I thought Lawson would be that group as well.

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Rudolph will be getting some work with his hand on the ground.

Hmm is he big enough/played there before? Hope this isn't another Proctor/Keihn situation

Taylor to CB makes us 3 deep+ there. Don't you think he'll probably stay or be moved to another position of need?

I see him as a utility player - I think he could potentially play any position in the secondary but none of them well enough to be a clear-cut starter (unless he takes a major leap forward in the off-season).

Whoever can lay the boom and doesn't get burned from biting on the first pump fake, they can start in my books

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Here is my wildhare offense:

LT: Tenuta, Shick, (Bailey)
LG: L. Smith, (Hoffman/Jordan/Dzansi), Moore (who I think will be very good)
C: Hoffman/Jordan, T. Smith (emergency), redshirt Goodner, redshirt Hollifield
RG: Dzansi/Hoffman, Hanson, Moore,
RT: Clements/Dzansi, T. Smith, redshirt Miletec

QB: Burmeister, Kadum, Blumerick (Wild Turkey), redshirt Bullock
RB: Holston, Blackshear, Lee, King, Brunson (redshirt all the freshmen)
HB: Gallo, Eller
Y: Mitchell, Deiuliis
X: K. Smith, Payoute, Jones
Z: Tre Turner, Lofton, Wright
Slot: Robinson, Blackshear, Lofton

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So has Keshawn King taken that much of a step back or has everyone else just improved and he hasn't put on the weight?

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I believe they had said that spring/summer of 2020 when everyone was sent home, he didn't have as many resources as the other guys to stay in D1 football shape and lost weight. That set him behind last year

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The way the coaching staff is talking about Clements, I think he becomes the starter at RT and Dzansi becomes a super-sub.

I'm hearing very, very good things about Bullock regarding his work ethic. I wouldn't be shocked if he was QB2 this year.

I was worried about WR depth (especially after the Hodge injury) but not after Fuente talked about Jones and Loften. I think we can go legit seven deep at receiver (if you consider Blackshear a WR).

Tre, Tay, Mitchell, Payoute, Lofton, Wright, Jones, Blackshear....we are good at WR. Kelli Lawson getting good early reviews too.

Having lots of bodies at wr and being good at wr are two different things. Until we have a wr show up and prove to be consistently reliable I'm not going to feel confident about that group. Besides, having good wrs doesn't mean much if the QB can't get them the ball. I'm not yet sold on Burmeister but even if he's legit we're one injury away from no real QB. I think this team might have potential to surprise some folks with the ones but the lack of depth is likely to really show up in a big way. I can't remember a season where we didn't have at least one or two major injuries to key players. It's sort of inevitable and when it happens we could be in a heap of trouble.

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Yeah, right now it's Turner, Robinson, Smith, (edit and Mitchell if you call him a wr) and a lot of unknowns. That doesn't mean they're necessarily bad, but counting on a bunch of guys who haven't played a snap at this level is is truly an unknown at this stage.

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I agree but the rhetoric is very surprising - I can't remember a time where both coaches and other players are openly speaking about the potential of the "unknowns" here. Lofton, Jones, Payoute and Wright have all earned praise at some point and none of them have played meaningful snaps.

I'm perfectly fine with the WR depth until proven otherwise, especially when you can functionally throw Mitchell and Blackshear into the group.

Apparently Corny was hyping up Lofton at the presser today. Of the preseason pieces starting next week, one was focused on young WRs, and Lofton got top billing. Very similar to Robinson with a more powerful base.

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I think you nailed the complicated OL situation. Don't think it's a slam dunk Jordan starts. If Clements is ready, Dsanzi at OG and Hoff at OC is probably a better lineup.

I've heard similar but I don't have great sauces.

You said this part in a different comment, but I have also heard good things about Stro2 as well. It's my understanding he's ahead of schedule.

They really need Stroman to be good.

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Taylor, Daley and Hunter will all likely be gone after this year. Jenkins and Stro will start together for a few seasons.

Taylor is hurt, a month away?

Hunter starts with first team.

Stro2 has already beat out Walker.

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Hunter starts with first team.

I would be a little shocked if a player who never has put it all together on the field in the past and just took a year off from the program became a plug-and-play starter for us.

Yeah, but the apparent alternative is transfer who wasn't here last year. At least Hunter has time practicing in the system and should understand it fairly well. That gives Hunter an advantage to me...that and I'm rooting for him to put it all together.

At least Hunter has time practicing in the system and should understand it fairly well.

Hunter and Daley have spent exactly the same amount of time in Hamilton's system.

TKPC folks know that Daley's role at Vandy was very similar to the boundary safety role for Hamilton.

Also, every time Hunter saw the field, he played slow. Now throw a year off? I hope I am wrong, but if he is good on punt and kickoff coverage that is a win for me.

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Also, every time Hunter saw the field, he played slow. Now throw a year off? I hope I am wrong, but if he is good on punt and kickoff coverage that is a win for me.

Obviously the hope he's more than that but I would take that this year for Hunter.

I just feel really bad for him, was hyped up to be the next Kam Chancellor out of high school and his career hasn't had a linear trajectory at all.

I feel like his best fit in the modern game is the STAR position you see in the modern Saban defense (employed by multiple teams now beyond Alabama), but one of our best defensive players has been overlapping with him at (our closest version of) that position (Chamarri Conner).

Bud tinkered with a "jack/star" when he went 3-3/dime. Shegogg got that role.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing Dax (who, for as much as he upped his game late in the year, is awful dropping back into zones) come out, have Conner or Hunter at Mike, and Harvey at nickel on passing downs.

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Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing Dax (who, for as much as he upped his game late in the year, is awful dropping back into zones) come out, have Conner or Hunter at Mike, and Harvey at nickel on passing downs.

Interestingly enough, Bama does a similar thing. Their dime sets have a "Mack" LB which sometimes is still the Mike (they tend to have plus athletes at every position these days), but is specifically designed to be their best off-ball LB in coverage, so it could be the Will or an otherwise non-starter who they trust the most in coverage.

Bud tinkered with a "jack/star" when he went 3-3/dime. Shegogg got that role.

I felt like Shegog really excelled in that role against certain personnel groupings we faced that season.

Jham announced today Daley moving to FS to compete with Jenkins and Stroman. So it will now be between Devon Hunter and Devon Taylor at the other safety spot.

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All my chips are on Devon.

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Agreed. Seems to be a great sign that Hunter is locking down that spot. Which is excellent for our depth in the secondary.

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it's defensible take when Taylor's first name is actually spelled "Devin" (lol rhymes with "Kevin")

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Yeah, but Devon rhymes with Kevin, too.

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Not sure if the source is 100% accurate, but have heard Hunter is in great shape and ready to play if it turns on mentally. Jham very influential here

Wow... just that whole tidbit was troubling. You take Daley, who is a perfect fit, move him in front of the guy with the most upside (Jenkins), and then have two older guys who haven't earned any confidence at the other spot. I really hope I am wrong.

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It may very well be that Daley had boundary locked down and wants to push the young guys and provide options. I read the whole article today and it did not mention this was a forever move.

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I think I read that Daley as moved over to Free Safety.

Whoa! A thread about depth charts and a big old ruh roh, you scared me thinking this was about the team and not the media.

sorry, maybe there was a better thread for it but I figured since it was related to the kick-off this would be okay. And, again, I didn't think it warranted its own thread. I take it that since TKP hasn't published any new articles lately that TKP isn't the culprit (and I'm glad for that) but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious which "outlet" is guilty

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My two pennies:

Offense:
QB: BB, Knox, Blum, Bullok
RB: Blackshear/Holston, King, Lee
WR1: Tre, J Jones, Wright
WR2: Robinson, Payoute, Smith
Slot: Lofton, Robinson, Blackshear, Mitchell
TE: Mitchell, Gallo, Deiuliis
LT: Tenuta, Shick, T Smith/Dzansi
LG: L Smith, Dzansi, T Smith
C: Jordan, Hoffman, T Smith
RG: Hoffman, Dzansi
RT: Clements, T Smith, Dzansi

Defense:
DE: Barno, Griffin, Carroll
DE: Garbutt/Belmar, Adams, Nelson, Pene
NT: Williams, Fuga, Mamoudi,
DT: Pollard, Kendrick, Phillpott,
M: Hollifield, Artis, Ferguson,
B: Tisdale, McCray, Rudolph, Johnson, Keller
W: Conner, Peoples, McCray
Free: Jenkins, Daley, Walker, Stroman
Boundary: Hunter, Taylor, Peoples,
CB1: Waller, Chatman, Thompson, Hoyle
CB2: Strong, Harvey, Murray, Johnson

Slot: Lofton, Robinson, Blackshear, Mitchell -- I would be surprised if Lofton passes Robinson as the 1st guy up for this before the 1st game

C: Jordan, Hoffman, T Smith
RG: Hoffman, Dzansi
I think Hoffman's experience in the system gets him the nod at C unless he can call the adjustments and protections from the RG spot.

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I was just thinking to get the best 3 receivers on the field would be to move Robinson outside. The big X factor here is Payoute. I feel like you know what you have with Kaleb Smith so it worries me if he is in the 1 or 2 deep.

Same thing with the OL. Just trying to get the 5 best guys on the field.

DE: Barno, Griffin
DT: Pollard, Kendrick
DT: Williams, Fuga
DE: Belmar, Garbutt

LB: Dax, Artis
LB: Tisdale, Ferguson

CB: Waller, Murray
FS: Jenkins, Walker
ROV: Daley, Hunter
CB: Strong, Chatman
CB: Conner, Harvey

WR: Turner, Smith, Jones
WR: Payoute, Hodge
TE: Mitchell, Gallo
WR: Robinson, Lofton, Blackshear
RB: Holston, Lee, Gary, King

OL: Tenuta, Schick
OL: Hoffman, Moore
OL: Jordan, Clements
OL: L Smith, Hanson
OL: Dzansi, T Smith

QB: Burmeister, Kadum/Bullock

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Offense
QB: Burmeister, Kadum, Bullock, Blum
RB: Blackshear/Holston, Lee, King, Gary

WR: Tre, Smith,
WR: Robinson, Lofton, Wright
WR: Payoute, Smith, Jones
TE: Mitchell, Deulius, Gallo

Starting Line: Clements, Dzanzi, Hoffman, L Smith, Tenuta
Backups: Jordan, T Smith, Hansen, Moore, Shick

Defense
DE: Barno, Adams, Griffin, Carrol
DT: Pollard, Williams
DT: Kendricks, Fuga
DE: Garbutt, Belmar, Nelson

M: Dax, Artis,
B: Tisdale, McCray, Johnson, Ferguson

Nickel: Connor, Peoples, Hunter
FS: Daley, Jenkins, Stroman, Walker
BS: Hunter, Peoples, Matheny, Taylor (injury)
CB: Waller (played hurt)/Chatman, Murray, Thompson,
CB: Strong, Harvey, Johnson, Elder

Edit: Forgot Taylor broke his leg this offseason. Doesn't that pretty much take him out of the running. He's now questionable for fall camp.

Waller is hurt? Gulp.

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Nah I was referencing him playing hurt last year, I'll edit

Sorry. I have a huge week at work next week and have been swamped.

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I don't see any way Williams doesn't start.

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To me, Kendricks is the 4th best of the bunch, and that is only because I know next to nothing about the bodies behind him. He was awful last year.

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Admittedly I'm basing this off of Clemson sauces that a year ago said Williams wasn't very good. But that could also just be compared to guys like Davis and Bresee

It's crazy to me that Dorian Strong had only two offers out of high school: VT and Delaware State.

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But apparently to some on this website, Knox sucks because we had to flip him from JMU?

It's almost like recruiting isn't an efficient market.

Mariana Trench will retain it's spot as the deepest at an approximate depth of 36,200 ft.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

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So McCray has possibly passed Artis in a month or so of workouts? Could be good news but also makes me question Artis's future with the program (supposedly Claeys did not like him last year)

Very excited for all this depth at DB, but worried about Waller after being hurt last year, hopefully not a Brandon Facyson situation

I wouldn't get hung up on the lineups a few days into fall camp.

Someone posted (may have been the Roanoke Times writer) that Waller had a cold at media day and was masked up as soon as he stepped off the stand.

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McCray is a huge sleeper. Could be a very good player for us

A lot more media access to practice already this year. Same with player access. Hope it keeps up.

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Don't want to post if Joe has something in the pipe. But there have been two great days of press conferences, reporters watching practice, players giving interviews. Notes on roster. New white helmets for player representatives.

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I do like the white helmets. I don't like that Tre Turner didn't earn one over Kaleb Smith. Kudos to Smith for putting in the work, but you want to see the best players giving the biggest effort.

They released a little bit of tape with the WRs working on the DBs, and Nadir Thompson looked like he was making some plays (although one was an absolutely atrociously thrown ball.) There isn't a whole lot you can take away from what they showed.

Media reports given me some red X's on my guesses... with McCray or Ferguson at mike, no Artis, and the safety movement.

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It was player council not work effort reward.

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Eh, we'll see. Payoute's likely specialty is a big body that can burn the corner and safety deep. I would like to see T Rob and Blackshear get the most screen action. But we shall see.

If we can get the ball in Payoute's hands with 15 yards of runway in front of him, I'd love to see defenders quit when they watch their angle vaporize into thin air

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We shall see. Again I see him as more of a long strider, burn you deep target. But if he has the quicks to play slot, let's do it.

Depth charts aside, I'm wondering what true freshmen get some burn before redshirting. Obviously, Lofton and Jones are going to play, but it sounds like Chance Black was really impressive catching passes out of the backfield. I wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to run the pop pass to Black at some point this year.

More than likely the true freshman will appear later in the season than earlier if they will still be redshirting. That would be my guess.

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Main thing I would change would be a slash at QB for Blumrick and Kadum. Could be either one, but went with
Blumpkin (I'm 12) due to age and size. However, with our penchant for having starting QBs with double initials... TT, JJ, HH, BB... I should have probably gone with KK.

Opening night is all about the defensive front seven. North Carolina's offensive line manhandled them last year. I am working on my previews and it is worse than I remember.

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Agreed. Defense will be critical in this game. If we can keep UNC around 28 I think we may have a good shot to win it. More than that and we may be in for a long Labor Day weekend.

Do you think we manhandle them as bad in the front 7 as we did last year? Their front 7 was baaaad last year.

Their OL and their DBs and LB tackling are the reason they won the game. But, their front seven has more upside this year. The younger Fox brother is really good. I think they can get some mistakes out of Asante, but if no. 33 (a 2 in their spring game) beats him out, he will be a problem. Much more disciplined

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Matheny one on one with UNCs RBs on every other play was not good. Our DLine was non-existent. They literally ran right past us. And our LBs couldn't stay clean cause our DLine was non-existent.

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Hard for Matheny but it didn't help that there was often a 5 yard gap between the DE and DT. The ends can't run so far up the field and DTs have to work against the doubles

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