Tyler Bowen expected to become OC

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Not what I expected but we'll see what happens

Onward and upward

Welcome home Coach Bowen!

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Not quite sure how I feel about this hire. I dont know a whole lot about this guy.

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Can anyone give me a TL;DR version of his experience and type of offense he will likely implement?

still researching it. Not much experience as a dedicated OC but has been part of offensive coaching staffs for several teams, most notably Maryland and PSU. Looks like he's going to put emphasis on the running game. Has background as an OL coach. I suspect the strategy here is going to be to control the line of scrimmage. I'm not super excited by the hire because of his inexperience. I'm fine with inexperience at DC since Pry will be running the show until he can groom the next man up. Offensively, I was hoping for / expecting someone with a little more OC experience.

Onward and upward

Appreciate it. I'm kinda in the same boat. Expected something more flashy, but will wait and see.

Curious as to which position is getting overpaid lol. Seems that the message boards felt we were saving on the defense to spend on the offense. So far I'm not seeing an offensive hire worthy of that extra spend. Not really concerned, just curious.

Hopefully we are adding a lot of people to the staff rather than overpaying a few people to do the job of a lot of people.

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The $5.5M in assistant coach salaries and the ~$2.5M in support staff are one lump, to be used at Pry's discretion as I understand it. So it's at least possible all assistant hires are south of the $5.5M and he hires a fucking army of recruiters, quality control folks, analysts, alumni relations, strength/conditioning, etc., staff. At least that's one way it could go.

That makes sense and I was wondering how that funding could be used. Thanks for clarifying (responding to both of you above who said similar things).

Yes, and a large part of his recruiting footprint was the D and the M in DMV. Kills me to see all these kids that are so close, or relatively close geopraphically, go anywhere but Tech.

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All these guys are big bruising MFers and I ain't mad about it. Last time when we doubled down on CornFu QB coaches it didn't do anything for the QB position anyway.

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I mean, I'd much rather have him before ESD. Then again, I don't know how to feel about this so I will solely rely on 247 and random people on twitter.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Fireman? Just how terrible has Jax's offense been this year? Like everyone outside of Duval, I have not paid attention to the Jaguars at all

.... this is the most perfectly written thing I've ever seen on this site
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Urban Meyer and his draft picks and use of players

This...

I haven't watched enough of the Jags to make a judgment here. However, Urban Meyer absolutely botched his first draft class and has been utilizing is personnel in some odd ways. How much of that is on Bowen? Who the heck knows... Interested in what French has to say.

Is coronavirus over yet?

If Urban Meyer hired this guy for his NFL staff, that sounds like a positive thing.

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Well shit, that's not very exciting at all....

/s?

I'm conflicted with this one, from what I understand Jacksonville has sucked this year but he wasn't the OC there he was training under urban myer though who was one hell of a college football coach for all the personal flaws he had. He's trained under James Franklin as well. It seems like pry is making his coordinators focus on plays and development while his assistants are focusing on recruitment and player personnel.

He said give to me Roscoe

In his brief time, he's recruited well for Penn State. I'd like to get a high profile QB coach now though.

Sorry for saying this out loud, but what about UVA's QB coach?

Why? I'd much rather throw forward passes to our WR's.

Edit: I can't even begin to imagine the message boards if Corny called a backwards pass to Luke Tenuta on 3rd and 7 with the game on the line.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

In defense, I don't think the guy I am talking about called that play lol

Luke would have scored.

Doing better and better.

The guy who played at UVA and has been a coach at UVA for the last 10 years? Highly doubt he ever becomes a Hokie.

I'd like to get a high profile QB coach now though

David Cutcliffe anyone?

Maybe as an analyst/mentor?

I've heard that Justin Fuente is a for real quarterback whisperer. /s

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From the article, which I think has a typo/misprint:

Pry is expected to hire Tyler Bowen, who is currently the Jacksonville Jaguars' tight ends coach, as the Hokies' offensive coordinator at the conclusion of the Jaguars' season, sources tell On3.

Bowen worked at Penn State with Pry for three seasons prior to being hired by Jacksonville, including as the Jaguars' Penn State co-offensive coordinator, tight ends coach and offensive recruiting coordinator in 2020.

Bowen previously was the offensive line coach at Maryland in 2017 after serving as the offensive coordinator at Fordham in 2016.

I think they got a little mixed up. Seems he's the Jaguars TE coach.

I'll wait for the more football savvy to chime in but seems like pulling a current NFL coach is a good thing.

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You're telling me that talk about Joe Brady coming to VT wasn't accurate??

In all seriousness, we'll see how this goes. He was with Moorhead at Fordham for a year, stayed behind as OC, and then went to Penn St after Moorhead left. If he's close to as good an OC as Moorhead then we'll be in good shape. Definitely need a good QB coach though.

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At the end of the day, I'm not sure it can be much worse than what we've had with Corn-Fu.

1. If the guy can recruit even a little bit, it's a step forward.

2. If the guy can keep a QB for more than one season, it's a step forward.

3. If the guy can get our QB to complete a forward pass with regularity, it's a step forward.

4. If the guy can get us an average ACC offense, it's a step forward.

Is coronavirus over yet?

All true, but maybe we should raise the bar a little!

Picking the bar up off of the floor where CornFu dropped it is technically raising it.

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Corny raising the bar:

Time for the roll of shame brother

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Why go from co offensive coordinator at penn state to tight end coach in Jacksonville under Meyer as an unproven NFL coach .

The NFL is the top of the sport. It just means more you know

Because it's the NFL, and $$$$

Head college coaches are making more than nfl coaches now

While dealing with a whole lot more bullshit. I'd take $6m over $9m to never have to kiss the feet of a 17 year old kid because some website put 5 gold stars next to his name.

Head college coaches are making more than nfl coaches now

[Narrator Voice] They aren't.

Nick Saban (college #1) makes $9.7 million, Bill Belichick (NFL #1) makes $12.5 million.
Ed Orgeron (#2) makes $9.0 million, Pete Carroll (#2) makes $11.0 million.
David Shaw (#3) makes $8.9 million, Sean Payton (#3) makes $9.8 million.

The 9th highest paid NFL coach (Bruce Arians) makes $8 million.

I admit this was a 2 minute Google search, so my numbers might not be totally up-to-date.

NFL salaries

College salaries

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

On another note what in the world is Stanford doing paying David Shaw 8.9M a year, since Harbaughs recruits have left they've been straight bad

Ok actually i'll neck myself I just looked and it's only been the last 3 years they've been bad

ESD has screwed them. They can't get kids accepted before ESD so they're going elsewhere.

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Woof I am wildly unimpressed by this.

Especially with all the money set aside to make a big-time OC hire. This is extremely underwhelming.

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I look forward to everyone who truly believed we'd snag Brady or Gattis taking this news rationally.

Definitely doesn't excite the same way that the defensive staff does at this point, but he's worked with some great coaches so I'll wait and see the results.

I'm not going to declare this a bad hire exactly, but this also isn't exactly the splashy hire that was heavily rumored and I was hoping to get excited about. So I guess my emotion has shifted from "hype" to "well I guess we'll see".

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247 says he is an elite recruiter , especially in the DMV region.

yeah, I'm in the same boat. But after expecting our offense to improve every time we fire a coach, and subsequently seeing our offense NOT improve after firing each coach, I'm just not going to expect our offense to be any good. And then, if and when it is, I'll be pleasantly surprised. I was hoping for a splashier, more experienced OC but it is what it is. I think Pry is definitely hiring guys to get back to the identity VT had when he was here as a GA. We're going to play stout, hard nosed, suffocating defense and we're going to run the ball a lot. It's likely going to be a no frills offense. Probably pretty boring but it'll keep the defense off the field enough to keep them fresh enough to finish games. Blacksburg just isn't meant to have a high powered offense. I guess we just have to be okay with that.

Onward and upward

This hire has been pretty much guaranteed for a week or two on other boards.

All the other names were noise.

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I'd love you know who people thought was coming to Blacksburg with all these ho-hum responses to this.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Here's Tyler Bowen's experience as OC:

2016: Fordham

2019: PSU (Interim)

2020: Co-OC

That's an *incredibly* thin resume, especially when your HC is a DC by trade.

It's not too much to ask to find someone who's had more that 1 year at the P5 level as an OC.

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Joe Brady has had one year of collegiate offensive coaching experience and everyone was ready to back a dumptruck full of money up to his front yard.

Gattis had *one* year of co-offensive coordinator duties before getting the Michigan job too, and everyone wanted us to pay him 2 million dollars to come here.

He also has that ring

Sure, and I have no idea if this guy is gonna work out. He might be a dud. but he coached under and with Franklin, Moorhead, and Urban Meyer. Seems like recruiting sites think he's pretty skilled in that area. It might work out, it might be a bust, but some of the reactions here are acting like we just hired Brad Cornelson's clone.

Yeah, I don't get that. I saw someone say that Ensminger ran Brady's offense, but not sure how that's even possible given Ensminger was at LSU as OC/QB coach from 2018-2020 and Brady was only at LSU for one year, 2019, and as the passing game coordinator and WR coach. So unless Ensminger sucked in 2018, let Brady call the offense as OC even though he was OC in 2019, then only ever passed the ball in 2020, like I said, don't understand how it conceivably be Brady's offense that Ensminger ran/had success with.

Winning a national championship as an OC will do that for you. At least in Brady's case.

Brady wasn't even the offensive coordinator that year though. Again, I think Brady is probably a good coach, but if we're worried about experience, he doesn't have much

and apparently Brady doesn't like to recruit. Add that he had one hell of a QB and stud WRs at LSU and maybe that helped his offense a lot. He just got fired mid-season.

This and the combination of big money we were rumored to be throwing at the new staff, as well as the fact if there was a position it made sense for Pry to break out the checkbook for, it was this one.

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Everyone is getting caught up in the, "well we had the money for a big name" ... there is no guarantee that the names you're thinking of were available to us, or were in our price range - even at our new budget. What I want least of all is to chase some name everyone has heard of and throw $1.5m at them just to satisfy fans who want to FEEL like VT is making big moves. Ultimately I am reserving my judgment on this hire until I know how much we are paying him. Because if we got him at a relatively low price and are able to get seasoned and proven position coaches that will cost a little bit more than some glorified GA (Herb Hand comes to mind) this could turn out to be a very shrewd move. We could end up having 3 additional offensive position coaches with P5 exp at half a mil a piece. Right now we've got an OC with a lot of upside and proven rockstar recruiting skills in an area where we desperately need to improve (DMV).

Additionally, FWIW - everyone jumped on the fan reactions that Pry, Marve, etc got from their previous destinations. "Pry is the greatest person and coach," etc. Well, if that means something, a lot of the PSU reactions to this hire that I have seen have been worry about how it will impact THEIR recruiting in the DMV. They know what we just added to our staff in that regard.

Let me preface this by saying I am more excited now about the state of the program then I've felt for maybe 3-4 years or so, and am curious to see what Bowen can do with the offense.

there is no guarantee that the names you're thinking of were available to us, or were in our price range - even at our new budget

Yes it seems like you are right. But of course you are, hindsight is always 20/20 post hoc. My point is more directed at the "wHy Is ThIs BoArD dIsAPpOiNtEd" crowd. It's like come on, don't be dense... people were expecting a flashy hire and this isn't. Where I'm sure we'll agree: time will tell if it was the RIGHT hire. Go Hokies.

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I wouldn't have any issues with these, but I'm gonna be honest, a few years at most of G5 OC years these guys have isn't that exciting or slam dunk either. Except maybe Denbrock, but he has no reason to leave a playoff school to come to an extreme offense home makeover in Blacksburg

We still pushing the little engine that could narrative?

With the 2nd highest assistants budget in the conference you'd think not 🤷‍♂️

That's already been passed by Miami, potentially going to get passed by FSU, maybe even Pitt if they increase for new OC and raises for successful season. Again your basing this on old college football numbers as we can see across the country they have ALL gone up.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I get it, the market is inflating. But I kinda want to enjoy our recent reinvestment in the program for at least a few weeks before we start taking a proverbial dump on the fact that we aren't at the top of the ACC because other schools also recently increased football related funding. We aren't broke, and it appears that we have put mechanisms in place to reward incremental success with increased funding. That's a good sign, and enough for me.

You do you, but I'm going to choose to be optimistic and excited about the future of the program and the financial investment being provided to move us forward.

Here is the thing I think we do really really well as a program despite the budget we have seen the last 15 years. But I'm also realist and don't think our budgets will take us to a NC game again, I don't think our budget will get us to top 15 recruiting classes and I'm fine with that. The issue is people who expect those things but refuse to accept that budgets hold those goals back.

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Oh I agree completely. But right now, my expectations and resulting budget needs more closely align with consistently winning the coastal and somewhat frequently winning the ACC. And I think the new investment in the program is probably adequate for that goal.

I also think that if we can get to that level, it's going to be easier to make the ask for more funding to get to the NC conversation level than it is to make that ask as a middling coastal program.

I'm all about incremental improvement and baby steps. I know that's not the flavor for everyone but I think it's a decent strategy. Ask for a little, show you are competent and a good steward of that, and then ask for more.

We'll see how it shakes out.

Incremental improvement and baby steps with investment are great if everybody else is sitting around saying "hey, let's put a hold on things until VT catches up". But they're not.

VT could easily go from 2nd to 5th or worse in a matter of weeks.

Lol I'm not going to argue with you.

That's the best approach.

We're all perfectly happy if you want to write a bigger check.

The first step is asserting that we want to compete with the resources we can muster.

The second step is mustering the resources.

All those folks who have been holding back their checks while Fuente was HC or Corny was calling the shots can start donating again. Now is the time for everyone to show their financial commitment.

I'm interested and excited to see what this collection of coaches can do. While we didn't go after the media short list, this is a solid staff of football coaches.

This line of thinking preceded Fuente by years and is precisely the rationale which has put VT in its current position of playing "almost catch up", then quickly fall behind.

Let's test the theory, by writing bigger checks this year, and giving Pry the chance he deserves.

I calculated what it would have cost for me to catch up to IPTAY since I graduated and filled that in at the beginning of the year. I was considering whether I should write a big check because of the change we made but now I'm thinking that I just might keep IPTAYing moving forward. Maybe I'll bump it to IP25AY since that is our magic number.

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Says the guy that has beat every dead horse he can find?

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How sure are we that this is happening? Wasn't it "reported" that loluva was expected to hire Dex and then after that fell through that they actually did hire Elliot?

Dex

Since he's a Wahoo and all, I'd much prefer we just call him Poindexter, which sounds super UVA, than give him a cool nickname.

Just my .02....

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

On board with that. Just wasn't sure if I'd spell it right and didn't want to look it up.

Just wasn't sure if I'd spell it right

This grammar nazi appreciates this.

Carruthers, Spaulding and Poindexter.... These are the three names I call all of my friends that went to UVA

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

I'll have some of this please.

includes flipping tyler warren from us, so there's that

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Damn, all them private schools in the DMV and Baltimore, a hotbed of talent where we've gotten guys like Kendall Fuller, and Mikal Baaqee

I think we got a kid from Georgetown Prep recently, but it's bit misses for awhile. I like the hire a lot more.

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Music to my ears.

I freaking love the hire, he's an o-lineman, he's gonna get in there and smash the D-line and run the damn ball down their throats and just when the D is caught looking, a Druckenmiller Bomb....he's got ties to Franklin as a player and as a co-offensive coordinator. I see him as an upgrade already.

Let's do this, heck we got 10 running backs on the roster with Ramon coming in, we kick everybody's behind in the acc.

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I'll have what he's having

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What he said. No need say more.

This is a bit of a snoozer.

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good:
seems like he recruits the hell out of VA + DC area
worked with both OL and TE so should have a varied understanding of offense and needs
allows for a QB coach to develop and coach the most important individual on the field
pry is familiar with him, should have good alignment from offense to defense
bad
not super exciting
not sure of playcalling experience or history

So far, I haven't really had any previous knowledge of any of the guys that have been hired, so I'm just along for the ride and honestly let's see what these guys do on the recruiting trail and on the field. Trying to figure out if this hire is good or bad in what essentially amounts to a vacuum (not knowing who the offensive assistants are, who we might pull from the portal, and what our offensive identity will be) is an exercise in futility.

At this point, Virginia Tech is not a destination job. We've got great facilities and a renewed investment in our football program but we're going to be perceived as a reconstruction effort. Elite OCs from other P5 programs are not coming here. Pry is clearly leveraging his network to find guys that align with his philosophy and with whom he has good working relationships, and thus far, who also generally appear to be enthusiastic recruiters overall. Let's see where all of that leads us.

Welcome aboard, Coach Bowen. Run the damn ball.

ALL OF THIS

Let's enjoy this ride. We are truly making a change as a football program. We are seeing coaches we've never heard of, saw on our radars, or thought we could afford. These are high level coaches, who are being hired by an experienced blue-blood coach in Pry.

And the best part of it is, they all want to be here. They want to see VT getting 10 wins a year, and playing for the ACC title every year, and competing for the CFP. They share our fanbases vision for this program.

We also haven't beaten Miami or Pitt in awhile, and I'm not okay with that. If that means we gotta get some no-name coaches with a solid pedigree, I'm all for it.

#HokiePryde

Let's go!

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So far, I haven't really had any previous knowledge of any of the guys that have been hired, so I'm just along for the ride

This is exactly where I'm at. After the last 6 years, I know it's a rebuild, and I'm gonna trust Pry until he gives me a reason not to.

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I remember Pry saying something along the lines of as a DC he knows what kind of offenses give DC's a hard time and he is going to get an offensive staff that he knows will be tough for other DC's to plan for. I hope our D and ST are top notch and at least that our O is an improvement over the last 6 years and that recruiting improves across the board, shouldn't be that much to ask for.

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As long as it's not Marve being the DC given fits, I'll be happy

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Well this tweet jingles my bells

* edit cuz wrong song

But I got bored at home and started a VT related Deck The Halls lyric

Catch my hot fire dropping soon.

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ok, wait a minute - where'd you get the Wolverine Pry avatar - hilarious!

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It's floating around TKP in one of the threads about Pry.

Step 1: ask for it and *NickT is nice enough to provide it and gave me permission to use it.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit

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Yeah, that's some serious good work - it looks awesome!

Ho Ho Ho?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Beard Game looks decent.... waiting for BeardofDeChristopher review.

Lots of promise. Strong in front. Also it's a good assistant Beard. You don't want an assistant Beard upstaging HBC's Beard

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

So Longstreet with Lee in Gettysburg is a no-no I guess,

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Depending on who you talk to, Longstreet is a no-no regardless

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different kinda ball, different kinda coach

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

A buddy of mine played for him at Penn st, he said, " He was a good position coach. Good dude and I liked all the interactions I had with him." Combine that with his recruiting ability and the games he was interim oc at Penn st (had a good amount of, albeit brief, success). Maybe not splashy, but I like it on paper for now.

I don't understand this board sometimes.

Board:
We want someone who's a top recruiter that's all that matters. Recruiter. Recruiter. Recruiter.

Hires someone with a top reputation as a recruiter

Board:
No thanks. Would not hire.

I like the guy but a great recruiter (5 stars) is what I want somewhere on the staff.

I don't know that it's "no thanks. Would not hire" as much as it's "hmm... expected a splashier hire with the money we've got available and the fact that the HC will be more focused on the defense at first."

That being said, the perspectives shared above regarding the potential to hire a bunch of non-coaching support staff is intriguing to me. Maybe the strategy is more about getting the entire organization up to par with the "army of people" at Penn State and others. I'm ok with that.

Also, upon learning of his recruiting ability, I think I'm getting more excited about it.

Probably because not all of us felt that way. In fact if I recall most people mainly wanted the HC to be a great recruiter, and some expectation for the coordinators to be x's and o's nerds. Hope this helps.

I will say what we are doing is certainly a strategy, and we'll see how it plays out. I will be setting the bar high for recruiting going forward if that's our focus point in the coaching hiring process.

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I think it depends on the position. Most of us were expecting more experience at the coordinator positions.

But yes I agree with the board being wishy washy. People loving the DC hire but questioning this one. At least Bowen is bringing recruiting relationships to the table.

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The DC is more understandable given that Pry is a defensive guy and said he'd be calling plays until the new DC was ready. I was expecting more experience on the OC side since Pry is defensive, so figured he'd want an experienced guy who was a more established OC. Not sure why, given that stuff, there could be different expectations of experience between the OC and DC.

I agree because I had higher hopes for both hires, but based on results to date, I expect Bowen to be a more successful hire

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I for one don't care how well our coordinator recruits if his staff can. I'd rather him know how to develop players and score points

I'd think the position coaches would have more to do with the development of the talent/skills since they're the ones teaching these guys the nuts & bolts day in & out.

OC/DC needs to communicate the gameplan/vision for their sides, coach the on-field leadership of their sides (QB & LB/safeties), and lead the recruiting to that vision.

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I think this hire is much like Pry's...let's wait and see what assistants they hire. He could hire really good position coaches and give them the authority to identify/develop talent, recruit, work into the game plan and have a seat at the table in decisions. I'm trying to not look at each hire (Fu taught us not to do that), but rather at the entire offensive staff as a collective.

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Yeah, I think with the DC hire and the HC's familiarity with that side of the ball, the OC hire was going to really make up for it and honestly I don't know that this does that. But what the hell do I know? I am going to support this and see how far it takes us because the people who know what they are doing are making these decisions.

Bowen was the OC for the 2016 Fordham team after Morehead left for PSU. That year's stats.

Different level of competition, only one year, etc but...not bad.

Agreed. I looked this up this morning. I liked the 6.6 yards per play vs our 5.7. I know it's not apples to apples, but I would think that this stat should transfer well. I may be wrong.

Just a note for everyone wanting a splashy OC hire. Right now with the turnover in HC, these guys are going to be prime candidates for these open jobs (more so than DCs). Even if we could grab one this cycle given how many ADs want that new flashy offense for their new hires, we probably wouldn't keep them for very long. I am going to be giving Pry the benefit of the doubt on this until proven otherwise. I hope this just means that we go the route of having a large support staff to spread the work loads out.

What is his position on using the jet sweep? This is the only question I have currently.

Asking the important questions.

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here is a look at corny leaving town after the bowl game

That's a funny-looking rail (and it won't be from TOTS, either).

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Can't find the tweet now, but saw a similar question posed...someone replied that during his time ad co-OC at Penn St, there were zero rushes by WRs

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

So we went from not spending a lot to hire the coach's friends as assistants to spending a lot to hire the coach's friends as assistants? Again, i just hope "Pry's guys" are better than the "Fu crew."

Hoping for good times ahead of us

I am extremely glad we let Fuente go. But yeah, much of the new regime seems much of the same. Hopefully, they have much better success. Plus the new coach is much much more likable.

At least Pry's guys have much more P5 experience

And have shown the ability to recruit at a fairly high level

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Definitely. And he isn't just pulling his staff directly from PSU. He may have worked with these guys in the past but it looks like they've been working with other teams.

Coaches tend to hire coaches they've coached with before. I don't know why everyone is surprised to figure this out.

This. But you and every buddy you hire have to realize it's a business relationship, not a friendship position. As long as they are willing to send them packing if they aren't getting the job done, I have no issues with coaches hiring guys they know.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

The biggest overriding message I've gotten from Pry the past week and change (and I guess from Fuente as well, for opposite reasons, but let's not go there) is Relationships Matter!

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All coaches hire assistants they have worked with before. The difference is that Pry's friends have spent time at various programs, mostly in the P5, some with some top-level programs. Fuente's approach was essentially to bring his entire crew that came up with him. Two major differences I can see between these approaches: (1) Pry will be more willing to part with underperforming assistants because they aren't people he's exclusively worked with for 10+ years (2) The new assistants from all over the P5 and now NFL can bring varied ideas and approaches, they know how what works elsewhere. The insular nature and stale ideas of Fuente's offense staff became evident by year 3 and degraded each year.

A major difference is Pry's guys have not been with him for most of his/their career, whereas Fuente's guys had been with him since Illinois State, were the best man in his wedding and mostly had zero power 5 experience. Outside of one hire, everyone of Pry's hires have had power 5 experience and have paved their own ways for their coaching careers. So you are comparing apples to oranges IMO

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^^^^^
This. There's a difference between bringing your staff with you as a package, and building your staff from guys that you have worked with - yet have built their own career paths (i.e. retaining Smith, JCP, PP). I think Pry knows what he wants our identity to be, and is simply finding available guys that can help him get there. ANY coaching hire - regardless of the #'s in the contract for HBC and his ABCs - is going to be a chemistry experiment. I'm sure HBC will have loyalty to his team but also, with them not being a package deal, he may be more willing/open to adjusting after 2023. Just like the OC/DC in a game - proactive adjustments to achieve desired results.

ON ANOTHER NOTE ---
Did anyone see the dialogue about how the role of analysts / QC staff / etc. is different in the SEC versus the ACC? In the SEC, apparently, analysts and QC personnel are able to be active in-game. In the ACC those roles are highly restricted, and barred from active gameday roles. I've not seen that mentioned before, and if accurate, just another example of how #theDISMAYCC is a hot mess of garbage.

And no surprise there, it's Wally Lancaster with an airball that looked gorgeous on its way to nowhere...
2/15/89, VT vs. South Carolina...

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Did anyone see the dialogue about how the role of analysts / QC staff / etc. is different in the SEC versus the ACC? In the SEC, apparently, analysts and QC personnel are able to be active in-game. In the ACC those roles are highly restricted, and barred from active gameday roles. I've not seen that mentioned before, and if accurate, just another example of how #theDISMAYCC is a hot mess of garbage.

Source? Seems... not true?

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Why would any conference not default to the NCAA rules on anything competitive? This is kinda like the failed experiment where the Big East Basketball conference tried going to 6 personal fouls before disqualification back in the 80's or 90's.

Yea, I'm going to need a rule book or something to better understand what he's talking about. For all I know, this could be a GT thing, not an ACC thing.

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Well, I would hope that Bud was also speaking from his experience at VT.

One of the replies to the tweet links to an article that sort of tries to explain analysts.

And then Bud commented further:

I thought that only the 11 on field coaches could talk to the players too. The analysts can't coach the players during the game. But I don't follow those rules closely to really know (i guess I'm just like the SEC)

Can the analysts talk to the coaches though?

There's always a workaround.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

There's a reason the NCAA limits the number of coaches vs. staff. I'd argue the SEC is really toe-ing the line between the two and have probably strayed too far towards them being coaches if they have on-field responsibilities that would in any way impact the game.

If you ain't cheatin then you ain't tryin.......... or something like that

Support Staffs just mean more in the SEC

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This is home

OC Interview question: "How many RBs should one team have on scholarship? a) 10, b) More than 10, or c) Less than 10?"

Asked some of the Jags journalists down here what they think of him.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Best the Jags Te's have preformed in years which isn't saying much.

But he couldn't coach up Tim Tebow enough for him to get released. I mean, come on! That dude won two National Titles and willed the Broncos into a playoff win. Very poo poo hire. Must not know what he's doing.

/s

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Huh, he was OC literally one year and a covid year at that. He did decent I guess with all of Penn State's talent on offense... Hope he's just our tight ends coach

Edit: Downvote momentum really doing a lot of work for a post that's 2 parts fact and 1 part opinion based on fact.

Way to early to tell...

What's his offense philosophy? What kind of offense is he planning to install?
How good is he at adjustments?
Who will his assistants be?

I'd love to see a competent run game and RB rotation and solid offensive lines play. His info seems to point to strong OL recruiting and play.

I'm excited for French's take, breakdown, and I'll be optimistic until we start sucking (which i hope we dont)

It does seem that Coach Pry is announcing to the Commonwealth we will be coming for your recruits....

Leg for the movie reference, one of my favorite movie lines of all time.

He said give to me Roscoe

Pretty sure its still the longest fight sequence in a movie ever.

I think something else needs to be considered when people keep talking about the desire for a flashy hire here:

We have almost no talent on offense, and most of what we do have is transferring or going to the draft.

We have a *long* road to hoe when it comes to fixing what's wrong on that side of the ball barring some miraculous portal acquisitions. A big, splashy OC is going to look at what he has to work with here, and see he has more to work with at basically every other job opening alongside equal or more money, and make an easy decision.

On a positive note though:

It looks like we'll at least have hoes with different VA areas codes

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We have a *long* road to hoe

Don't be hoeing in the road unless you want to get picked up by the vice squad.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I'll hoe on any road I want to thank you very much.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Hey, man. I'm not telling you what not to do. Just warning you of the consequences. And you may have some additional consequences from Mrs. Spirit Animal if you're hoeing in the road or elsewhere.

Edit: This response was better.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

1) it's not corn
2) the teams he's been apart of have had generally good offense
3) NFL experience
4) its not corn

Let's fill out the rest of the staff and see how this plays out!

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Bowen is an ace recruiter. Pair him with gurus like Hand and/or Sowder and we'll be more than fine.

6) ace recruiter

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5) it's not corn

How dare you forget

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5 is reserved for Tyrod Taylor

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How dare I forget

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You want a great QB coach? Bring back Kevin Rogers. Not sure if he has ties to Pry or not.

Where is Kevin Rogers these days?

Pry names DC: "but he can't recruit!"

Pry names OC: "who cares if he's a great recruiter!"

How dare you expect any less from this board? At least we're consistent, if nothing else!

VT Fandom: "We want _______!"

CBP: "Don't you worry about the future. Let me worry about blank."
*alternatively*
CBP: Blank? BLANK?! You're not looking at the big picture!

.... this is the most perfectly written thing I've ever seen on this site
-8300A_Hokie'12

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

You want to have an offensive coordinator hired?

Don't you worry about hiring an offensive coordinator. Let me worry about blank.

Pry names DC: "who cares if he can't recruit"

Pry names OC: "but he's a great recruiter"

I was hoping for an experienced signal caller who calls a fun-to-watch offense. Brad Glenn, Keith Heckendorf, Garrett Riley, Mike Denbrock would all be great hires.

Best case scenario - we have a Jeff Grimes-esk hire. Worst case Scenario, it's Stiney but a better recruiter.

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Have not really followed his career details beyond being at Ark St post UNC but Keith is fam and first class.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Fanbase needs to temper it's OC hiring expectations a little bit. There just aren't a lot of OCs out there that have both decent P5 experience as an OC and run successful offenses. All those guys get hired as HCs.

There has been a run on promoting successful OCs to HC the past decade, one of the reasons we went after Pry, there just wasn't much available on the offensive side. So now at VTs level your potential OCs are going to be either guys who've been around with meh offenses or guys making their first stab at OC. I'd rather be in the second camp.

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Option 3 would be a G5 OC who's put together a solid seasons or two. Would love to see Brad Glenn's RPO offense here.

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I'd rather have guys that know what it's like to coach P5. The past 6 years should make it rather obvious that not everyone can make the transition.

It's Time to go to Work

There's a difference between the head guy being unfamiliar with P5, and an OC being unfamiliar with P5. Chad Morris had no issue making the transition from G5 to P5. Neither did Gus Malzahn. Neither did Joe Moorhead. Graham Harrell, Warren Ruggiero, Dan Mullen didn't have P5 experience prior to becoming a coordinator.

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And on the other hand you have a mile long list of guys that couldn't figure out how to run an offense against P5 athletes. It's not a sure thing either way but I'll take a guy who has seen what a P5 offense looks like, even if his experience at OC is short.

It's Time to go to Work

I lump them into group 2. Any G5 OC doing good stuff is gonna get snatched up pretty quickly. So those guys would not only not have a lot of OC experience but could also not have much P5 experience.

Another thing to note is a lot of them will be pretty young, so they haven't really been around much. But we've seen a lot of young dudes become highly successful OCs with maybe not a lot of coaching experience (Gattis, Rees, Moore, Leftwich, Riley).

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

I'd prefer a guy with more than a couple of good G5 OC seasons, but...yeah, I agree.

  • A top recruiter with experience in the region (see Joe's posted tweet from Rivals East Coast rankings director)
  • Power 5 and NFL experience
  • Coached under Joe Moorehead and with Kirk Ciarrocca (this implies spread RPO with emphasis on top-flight RBs imo)
  • OL background means we're probably gonna focus on winning the trenches

Obviously not the big splash that lights up message boards but I think the process is sound and the upside is legit. So far just about every hire has been made with a focus on heavily recruiting VA and the mid-atlantic and have included power 5 experience. In that sense we're seeing a sharp turn from the previous regime.

With this hire we've got some up-and-comers that will inject some much needed energy into this program at both coordinator spots. Like Marve, Bowen is 32 years old. It's a risk, but as programs like LSU have shown "proven" coaches can be just as big of a risk. Considering the massive changes happening in the sport around player relations and empowerment seeing us focus on getting younger and hungrier is an exciting development. I think a lot of the old guard will get left behind in the next 5-10 years and we are positioning ourselves to out-maneuver programs that stay stuck in their ways.

Coached under Joe Moorehead and with Kirk Ciarrocca (this implies spread RPO with emphasis on top-flight RBs imo)

Yes please. Hope you're right.

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Isn't that style of O what Fu originally said he'd be running with up tempo?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

I'm not sure Fuente was ever that heavy RPO. The biggest thing I remember was the need for 8 WRs

VTalwaysNUMBER1: Most of you will like this OC hire

80% of TKP: meh

However, they did say that we will be able to recruit so we've got that going for us

Number 1 was also hinting we would get Joe Brady. Has he ever proven that his #sauces are legit? Imo it's been mostly vague stuff like BAG used to post

yeah he implied it would be Brady, and IIRC BAG was right about stuff every once in a while, but not nearly as often as LAhokie

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I miss LAhokie on here

Same. If they said something was happening, you could more or less count on it

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Whatever happened to LA Hokie and BAG? And why is the BAG on twitter most certainly not the one who posted here

Got tired of negativity and being ripped to shreds when their sources were wrong?

Most of the sauces on this site as of late have been completely incorrect.

Not one thing best I can tell. Was super duper vague about the HC but nothing to ever indicate it was Fry. Sorta indicated that it was Bill O'Brien. Then after the Pry hire, backtracked and said the BoB hire fell apart last minute because he sucked in the Auburn game (eye-roll) never mind the fact that the timeline of events doesn't line up per Godfrey (who said Pry was already looking at staff days before he got hired) and from Pry's press conference where we got more details of the hiring process. Then has been hinting at a big time OC, someone everyone would love and can recruit. Really super vague again but lately like you said, hinting at Joe Brady. Strikes out again. Who knows. Maybe it was Brady but Whitt watched the last Panthers game and changed his mind /s

Yes all of this. Exactly summarizes what has been going on in my head whenever this poster shares "inside" info

There are exactly 0 reliable sources on TKP now. I heard the Bowen rumor before number 1 came out with the Brady rumor. The idea that Brady was our top choice and we got big dogged is laughable

Onward and upward

We were gonna like the hire a lot more till we got big dogged again. I want us to be at that point. Still think this is a good plan B hire, but tired of getting plan B's like a chick trying to avoid pregnancy.

Go for it

Miami went and flapped their big dog money in his face.

Honestly I think this is a safer hire than Joe Brady.

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I don't think Brady was ever coming here. Hiring scared (safe) though ain't ever going to win big.

I would bet my left nut that Brady wasn't even on our list of candidates

uva - the taint of the ACC

I would bet both your nuts that he was

Go for it

McHokie 540 just before he losses his nuts:

/s

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Hell, that was me after every Corn called jet sweep

uva - the taint of the ACC

You guys played that drinking game too?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I'm not sure if it was Miami, Oregon, or LSU but somebody got his attention.

Go for it

I can safely say he wasn't😂

Though my memories have faded
They come back to haunt me once again
And though my mind is somewhat jaded
Now, it's time for me to strike again
Tonight, it's a Hunter's Moon

Don't know what I expected honestly. I didn't expect a Gattis or Brady type, but I wanted someone where we could see what the offense might look like. This guy can get recruits so that'll be nice. Guess I'll just wait and see what happens.

We def need a spring game...and it needs to be televised.

I'm guessing this dude will actually know when to run and inside zone/ slow outside zone vs power vs trap vs dive vs rpo based on what the defense is giving him rather than a script.

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I don't know shit about fuck.... But.... Say you got $100 (upgrade from $50ish) to spend on a coaching staff for 10 coaches.

Everybody wants the $60 OC splash hire that would leave little for the remaining staff, whereas it looks like Pry is building a strong overall staff of $10 coaches that bring a wealth of recruiting kudos, strong recognized potential (to me that translates to vision, passion and drive) and diverse experience across other programs.

Personally, I'm ok with that approach.

In my mind what's equally important to who Pry hires is that he's willing to replace them if they aren't getting it done. I agree with your take on Pry's strategy. It's trite to say it, but I have to remind myself that Coach knows a lot more about what he's doing than any of us do.

I don't care if we make a splash in our hiring process as long as we make some splashes on game day.

So being up here in State College I took a walk around the office to talk to the biggest football followers I know at work.

First guy: 'Bowen? Rings a bell, who is he?' (I expected more from this guy)
Second guy: 'Bowen? No idea' (I didn't expect much from this guy)
Third guy: 'Bowen? That's a pretty good look. He was the OC for one game in a bowl and we ran for like 500 yards. Great recruiter, coached our tight ends. Mike Gesicki, Pat Freiermuth, Tyler Warren. Awesome players at the position' (I trust this guy most)

So the pluses for Bowen are that
1) He's a great recruiter. He worked under Franklin, who is also is great recruiter, and Franklin made him the Recruiting Coordinator for the Offense, a position Bowen was in for three years at PSU. Good sign.
2) He was made the interim OC after one of the revolving doors of Franklin's staff made him next man up. Knowing that those doors revolve constantly, at least he was put in that position at one point. If he was never called into that role it would be a bad sign.
3) He is a great tight ends coach and recruiter. We've seen how important that position is and a guy whose background is specialized in that is a good sign
4) He isn't a quarterbacks coach. David Cutcliffe is available.

Minuses
1) He was the recruiting coordinator for three years and PSU's offensive line is flat awful. Silver lining is that they have a bunch of lean, athletic offensive linemen. Who consistently get flattened by Big Ten defensive linemen.
2) Not likely to be a great play caller. This is worrisome if he is the OC.

pfft... what do those guys know? I heard they just got big dogged and had their DC stolen.

Here is the box score of the game he was play caller (2019 Cotton Bowl vs Memphis)

Link

396 yards rushing
53 points is a Penn State bowl record
🚩🚩Did not win TOP🚩🚩

Memphis with 450 yards passing... 😳 qb with 2 picks and no TDs. So many hot takes here. Old guards old team vs new guards old team

Sh*t that's a good pull. But they did win the TOP x Factor: the turnover battle. No excuse for NOT KEEPING THE BALL IN YOUR POSSESSION

I am seeing 2 constants with our hires so far.

1 - dominate the line of scrimmage
2 - recruit your ass off

If that really is the DNA of VT football going forward, I think we'll be in good hands

Willing to give our offensive staff time to see how they actually call games. Last staff I thought was going to give us an elite offense and we got... Not that

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This is home

Agreed, at least it seems like there is a vision for the future VT football. Something that was sorely missing for the last 3+ seasons.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

So far I like the hires. Looks like a solid VT like group. Good talented defensive staff. And enough recruiting on offense to get the 5* QB we need to compete.

My non-football mind thinks if you have coaches that can recruit and coach their positions, it seems the coordinator's job becomes relatively easy.

I assume Bowen can:

1. Break down film
2. Let his QB make decisions during a play
3. Recruit

If so, good hire.

Was he the best man in Pry's wedding?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

This is an important question

Onward and upward

😬 Given that Pry is 19 years Bowen's senior I sure hope not. That'd make Bowen like 10 or 12 when Pry got married (assuming he was married before his college aged son was born).

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Fuck it. I love him. He will put together a running attack that averages 235yds/gm and enough through the air to get the job done, but not so much to make us cocky.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

You guys are all idiots (if you can read this, I'm talking especially about you! And pull your pants up! You're an embarrassment!)!

This a great hire! We now have the guy who will recruit the pants off (not you, pull them back up!) the DMV. We'll have all the 4 and 5 star o-lineman we need to run our reverse option attack (just straight up the middle behind two lines of o-lineman). We'll recruit some nimble 300 pound guy to run the ball that can do flips and sh*t, probably related to Jerome Bettis maybe (Quiet Steelers fans, this isn't about you!). Eventually our big guys will wear down the opposing defenses so that all is left are safeties and cornerbacks and tiny linebackers. The simplicity of the offense will allow for Bowen to focus less on the offense and more on what he does best, recruit big dudes! This is exactly how football works, its all about the x's! Take it from me, I thought about inventing alien tape years ago!

Now you ask: "VTMO, who will be the other offensive staff members and what will they get to do?" I hate to be the bearer of great news, but they're all gunna be secret defensive coordinators! Probably Bud Foster with one of those glasses with a fake nose and mustache attached to it that will cover his real mustache (he'll take it off though on third down situations). Like, they will go have an in-home with the top QB recruit in the country every so often, but it will just be for show so the NCAA doesn't fine us for not being the SEC and being so good (probably a rule in 2022). They'll leave the QBs home saying "Sorry, we don't throw the ball and you need to add about 200 more lbs to hang with this offense."

In conclusion: Great hire, you are all idiots, this isn't a great conclusion.

Insert 90s picture of Bud actually wearing giant glasses and having a mustache

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

A bit specific, but you got it-

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

I have a hard time calling him "Bud" seeing that picture. I apologize, Coach, but this picture screams "Robert."

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

fine bit of nonsense and all, but quit calling us names

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

that's where the edibles went! 🤪 🤣

This was fucking awesome

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Yep, checks out.

Edit: But I LOVE the post. I'm gonna join your next party, if that's OK.

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I'm waiting for his stance on Jet Sweeps

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I'm really liking these hires.

Sure, relatively new at their current positions. Mostly guys who know their X's and O's, and can recruit really well. (Isn't that what we wanted?) You can also see that they understand the roots of VT football, which I really dig. Start with the defense? Say it ain't so!

Pry is great, and he's pulling in guys he knows, not the obviously available types who the media likes for EVERY school's openings. We went the obvious route last time, and what did it get us? I'm also laughing at UVA as that's clearly what they did last time and are trying to do again. The same names come up as the perfect fit for every team's jobs. I see some of the same names coming up for UVA and Duke that came up for VT. How imaginative!

The proof will be on the field in a few years, but I do think this was the right way to go. In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing what these guys are able to put together. The die is cast. And while I don't doubt there will be the occasional stumble, I think we'll like the results.

Regardless of how you feel about Bowen as OC, I think we can all agree that thank God it won't be Corny!

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Agreed. But also, friendly reminder that 6 years ago we basically said:

Regardless of how you feel about Cornelsen as OC, I think we can all agree that thank God it won't be Lefty!

Until proven otherwise, I am forced to believe that Blacksburg is allergic to great offense. I don't expect our offense to be very good. Pry is going to play great defense and try to control the ball with a ho-hum run heavy offense. It won't be very exciting but it harkens back to VT's glory years. I think he's going to try winning a lot of low scoring games with great defense that finish in just under 3 hours. I'll be very pleasantly surprised to get an exciting offense that can be relied upon to win games

Onward and upward

I think he's going to try winning a lot of low scoring games with great defense

That could be a recipe to get fired. Iowa and Wisconsin do it successfully, but the Big10 West operates different from the ACC. The game is more explosive than it was 20 years ago, low scoring defensive games give you a very thin margin of error. Offense wins championships, hopefully we'll see a Moorehead/PSU power run game with good TEs and explosive downfield passing.

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Exactly. This whole mantra among many VT fans about getting back to our roots and creating stellar defenses with a blue collar ethic doesn't cut it anymore. High powered offenses win. That is the future. Georgia this year with one of the best defenses ever assembled still can't win.

Counterpoint, I would be ecstatic to have the level of success that Georgia has achieved this season

So would I, but I'd also like to have top 3 recruiting classes every year too.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Easy. Just write a $50 million check to the VT HokieClub.

Every year. Adjusted for CPI.

I think Pry addressed it well in either his intro press conference or the interview with Burnop when asked about offense/defense. He said something along the lines of establishing a team-wide mentality and was very intentional about not separating how offense/defense will be approached.

I don't believe Pry is after a low scoring, elite defense VT of old. I believe he wants to win 38-13 by having an efficient, aggressive offense and defense.

Fits in line with what Pry said at the presser. Efficient offense to me equals the ability to run the football. What I really love about this staff is the focus on recruiting. Not sure if we have ever had coaches with recruiting potential across the board such as this. I've seen a lot of Anti-Vice posts but IMO, he's a been a good recruiter and the O-Line is definitely better than before he came.

My opinion of this portal-era that we have now recruiting is as important, or more so than it ever was. I also think that many people that enter the portal may be looking for coaching that may have some NFL experience as well as scheme. Don't think pro experience is ever a downfall.

The term you are looking for is efficient, scoring on offensive possessions, usually above 67%, based on situations, like running the clock out with a lead under 4 mins.

Not high-powered, or scoring, typically using big plays, no matter where on the field, or situation

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Agree with you. But people love to fetishize the past. It's a hell of a money maker and gets people all misty eyed, swaying in unison, whether it's true or not (usually not).

Blue collar is great if it gets the fans and boosters to open their wallets but I wonder if it resonates with the players in the same way. Personally, I doubt it. But I'm assuming these coaches know what they are doing. Either way we won't see any more GRIT garbage.

To your point, winning now requires scoring points, lots of them. I'm assuming the coaches also know this and plan to field an offense that's up to the task.

There have been comments on this thread about how this community is being a tab bit of Doug and Wendy Whiners regarding this hire. I tend to agree. Let's look at this guys coaching tenure before becoming the head whistle at Tech. I can only imagine the banter if this was the guy that replaced CJF.

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Apples and watermelons

Onward and upward

Yeah. It is. Your right. What was I thinking. Murray State is a huge university that is a dominant player in Div 1 football. If only Bowen coached there as an OC before this hire, assuming he will be our OC. This board would be erupting with joy and jubilee.

Your snark is not appreciated. I'm not going to get into a long dragged out debate with you on this

Onward and upward

Ahhhh yes, you only leave that for your TKP better half, Vtkey. Cuz, you aren't one to get into long cascading debates on this board.

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I understand where you're coming from but No where close to the same in context. VT was a regional name at best when Beamer took over. He made it a National name and contender in one of the P5 conferences.

But I do agree that some peeps are being overly negative. I would chalk that up to "once bitten, twice shy" from the Fuente tenure.

thrice bitten ...

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I'm confident the apples and watermelons is 1980s VT/college football vs 2020s VT/college football and nothing to do with Beamer's tenure before he was the VT head coach.

The parallel you can draw there is the commitment to a home town culture fit as highlighted wonderfully in Marcolini's piece

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That's what I call a smooth transition/segue. Well done.

Ah yes, let us look back 35 years and try and compare coaching hires. Dumbest comparison we have had on here in a while and there have been some doozies.

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Wasn't a scouring of 35 years of coaching hires. Looking at Murray State and VT then, just because a hire isn't from a big name or splashy or has years of P5 experience, doesn't make them a bad hire. Bowen is young but has experience at a big name college program and the NFL. Would it have been nicer if he had 3 years experience at both stops? Yes. But, IMO, he has a good resume, is a recruiter and young enough to be more relatable to players. And, he likes run first offenses. Lastly, the negativity seems a bit much about Bowen and his "lack of resume". So, maybe not the best comparison, but maybe it wasn't so much a comparison as it was a look at where Beamer was hired from a resume perspective.

The point is VT is in a very different place now than when Beamer was hired. The entire industry is different. Aside from being football, everything around the sport has changed in that time that nothing is comparable now.

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I got that. But back then Murray State and Tech weren't peers. That's my point. If we hired an OC of today's Murray State to be the OC of today's Hokies it would go over like a led balloon. I think expectations may be a bit skewed on who we would like to be hired vs who we can realistically hire. IMO, I like the Bowen hire. Only time will tell if I will eat crow, have egg on my face or be proven correct, which I don't need to be.

The point is VT is in a very different place now than when Beamer was hired. The entire industry is different.

Is it?

Where exactly do you think VT football is in the pecking order of college football right now? Do you think coaches (and players) are crawling over themselves to come to Blacksburg right now? Are you saying college football wasn't big in 1987? Because I can assure you it was.

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College football was big in 1987. We were very literally irrelevant at that time, and under probation.

Right now we might be down compared to previous years, but you're acting like we're Akron.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

We're not Akron, but we're at our lowest point in 30 years.

And the VT situation is much less desirable now than it was when Beamer left in 2015. I was in Blacksburg from 92-96, so I saw VT suck in 92, magically get good in 93 and win the god damn Sugar Bowl in 95.

Beamer left us in a great spot in 2015, but Fuente squandered it. Pry is starting from scratch. Pulling coaches from the NFL? I'll take that all day long

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Ehh......I think Beamer left us in a great spot reputation wise, but recruiting and financially, resources and on campus facilities, not so great.

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Lots of people at the time were talking about the cupboard being bare because VT was not winning like it once was. The fact that we had to play Motuapku (sp?) Beamers last year was not great roster management. He was really good his senior year but nit so much his sophomore year. The roster wasn't in a great spot. It just happened that we had 3 all time greats at reciever/TE and an up and coming defense where no one got injured. The QB room was not great, the RB room was not great, te reciever/TE room was thin, the oline room was so-so. The defense room was pretty much one deep, but all different classes, but doesn't matter if all your RS-So. players will be drafted.

The fact that we had to play Motuapku (sp?)

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Not sure if this has been put out there and if it has I will gladly drink! Todd Washington believes that this is a GREAT hire for VT and is working with him this season with the Jags. Can't embed the tweet but if Todd likes him I think I will give him EVERY chance to be a great OC!!

If he doesn't call a jet sweep to the boundary on 3rd and 8, we are already improved!

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Could be worse, could be a lateral to a lineman.

Todd also told an anecdote on the Vick757 show that when he was with the Jets, they were watching film on Dalton Keene and one of the other Jets coaches basically asked him what the hell Tech was trying to do with their offense because it didn't make any sense to them.

So the proof is in the pudding and we'll have to wait, but this does seem to indicate an improvement over the previous offensive identity (or lack thereof).

I am no Todd Washington, but I've had the same question for 5 years.

Went to High School with Todd and his brother TJ. Their dad Tony Washington was our head football coach. They were raised by a great man. Their mom Earlene is an awesome lady who constantly fed a slew of football players.

Side note it sucked to play scout team QB (the pinnacle of my QB career) with those two on defensive front. I got sandwiched by them and thought I died.

I think Beamer used to say recruiting was the most important thing to keep a program running well. I see Coach Pry focusing on that with the Bowen hire. With better players at the beginning, even CornFu were winning. You see it with UGA and Bama, tOSU, etc. - as long as they have coaches with a pulse that aren't completely brain dead, they can beat just about anyone simply off player talent.

Improving recruiting is the key to VT football getting better. If Bowen help improve recruiting, I'm all for it. This chess master, scheme stuff people are more concerned about doesn't work if you don't have players. Just ask Al Groh and Charlie Weis.

Yeah, I mean scheme and playcalling will only get you so much. At this level, those should be a given (though as we've seen in recent years sometimes it's not). Talent almost always trumps the rest, especially if you can get maximum effort out of your players and put them in the right position to succeed. I think it's a pipe dream to believe that there's a coach out there that can take average talent and consistently beat superior talent. Get superior talent on our side. Coach them up. Get the most of them that we can. Put them in a position to succeed. All of those have been missing in the last several years. Here's to trusting we're fixing that.

I wish I had some indication of what Pry's direction is within the scope of his hires. I really don't know what to make of this one

If you watch the video linked below, there's some film breakdown of the bowl game Bowen called for Penn State.

He worked under Moorhead at Fordham and PSU, and Moorhead's offensive philosophy can more or less is often simplified as "smashmouth spread" as you can see below in the video.

Here's an article by some Oregon guys about his typical offensive personnel/formations:
https://fishduck.com/2020/01/the-joe-moorhead-offense-personnel-and-form...

The Fishduck site has epic videos on the Chip Kelly scheme - they know their stuff.

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Today I want to focus on the personnel groupings and formations that make Coach Moorhead's offense go. He has referred to his offense as the "chipotle offense," an offense with few ingredients that can be combined in many ways.

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So we went from an offense that was shot to one that will give me the shits? I guess that's an upgrade.

At least it would be explosive

Two Major Concerns:

1) I did not notice any jet sweep action!!

2) It is unclear if this type of scheme follows the "expected outcomes" philosophy

In all seriousness, this was cool to watch. His channel will be a good follow as Pry and his staff start to fill out the roster and put some things on film.

Yeah, Top Billin' didn't do any coverage of VT until Fuente was fired. I have watched most of his videos on our coaching search/hiring (although I didn't watch all of this one). He seems pretty high on what we are doing so far.

We're not even sure if Bowen is officially hired yet nor exactly what his title will be...maybe we should hit the brakes a bit.

While his name isn't a "wow" he has a reasonably solid background and definitely has proven chops as a Recruiter and player developer with the TE at PSU.

I think, ideally, Bowen could function as Co-OC/Run Coordinator with the presumed future QB Coach as Passing Coordinator. Whether that comes to fruition remains to be seen, but I think that could be a very good situation for VT going forward and seems to be more and more a trend.

As far as the "name" guys, with LSU, OK, Miami, Oregon, and potentially Clemson all open and throwing around money, it's gonna be difficult to convince those guys to come to VT for less money and with an Offensive Roster that needs a serious remodeling.

I like the culture Pry appears to be building and expect that he will hold his coaches accountable much in contrast to the prior regime.

Football Scoop likes what Pry is doing with the coordinator hires:

In an era where understanding offensive and def trends in addition to connecting with players and their NIL needs is at an absolute premium, Brent Pry at Virginia Tech seems to - stealing from a TikTok trend here - "understand the assignment."

I would happily argue that age is perhaps the least important factor when you have the type of on-the-job experience both Bowen and Marve bring to Blacksburg, plus their familiarity with Pry and his expectations are going to prove invaluable as well.

EDIT: adding LINK

I am betting that we will see some experienced names in analyst/support roles to round out the youth on this staff.

I'm interested to see what we do with the staff positions since it seems like we'll have some money to throw at them.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

I think this is an important point. Not only will the younger staff members have more willingness to get after it on the recruiting trail, but players will likely find an easier time relating to them. Also consider that Pry is not just hiring a bunch of young coaches, but ones that are being nationally recognized as some of the best young minds in the sport.

  • Ryan Smith (albeit retained) was just named to the AFCA 35 Under 35 list.
  • Chris Marve was named to the AFCA 35 Under 35 list in 2017, the 247 Sports 30 Under 30 list in 2017 and 2018, and ESPN's 40 Under 40 list of ascending coaching stars in 2018.

The fact of the matter is, even with the influx of cash being put into the program, we're still not punching in the same weight class as Alabama, LSU, apparently USC etc.

We have to take a risk with our coordinator hires. We're not going to get the "perfect coordinator" to come here. It's too much of a gut job and we're not going to be the highest bidder.

If we're choosing one deficiency, experience is where I would put the least weight on. Brining in two guys who are young with extremely high ceilings is where I would go.

But we need some grizzled position coaches to support Bowen otherwise we're setting him up for disaster. Honestly, bringing Stiney back as an "assistant head coach of offense" role makes a lot of sense to me. Overpaying Cutcliffe to become an analyst makes a lot of sense to me.

Both of those support hires are ones I've been hoping for as well. Make it happen CBP!

Since he is a TE coach that means he is also the QB coach for us right? /s

Overall I kind of like it. Bowen and Hand are gonna have the O-Line room looking like a Clydesdale ranch, cranking out monsters and putting D lines under the plow. That's a satisfying brand of football I can get behind, even if it is a little less exciting than the greatest show on turf.

If he soaked up all of Moorhead's philosophies, strategies and playcalling abilities, we got a good one. If not, we'll see.

Reality has a mighty pimp hand.

If Bowen is OC with a background in TEs, does he end up coaching TEs as well. That may mean Stiney either won't be on staff or may have a non-coaching role.

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Were I in charge, I'd still hire a TE coach.

This will be Bowen's first time as the OC for a P5 school (non-interim, non Co-OC). Let him focus on that.

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Well, we're still limited to 10 assistants.
D has 5: Marve, Price, Quinn, Jones, Smith
O has 2 so far: Bowen and Hand (OL)

That means we can have a RB, WR, and QB coach, and no ST coach. Or we can have RB, WR and TE coach, and no ST. Or we can have RB, WR, and ST, and have Hand coach TE and Bowen coach QBs. Or have someone double up on ST with another position.

Wait, what?

Ah, good point.

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Shibest was tight ends and ST

He said give to me Roscoe

Yep, with Fu we went RB - Lech, WR - Williams, OL - Vice, ST/TE - Shibest, and QB/OC - Corny.

Wait, what?

I must have missed something. Is Hand confirmed?

Confirmed by Twitter followers-Babcock, Pry, Bowen, Derek Jones, Bitter.

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Bowen was Co-OC at Penn State and is coaching in the NFL right now. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he probably knows how to break down run game film. That's where my head is and has been since Jerry Kill exposed Corny for being a lightweight. I'm super confident this is an upgrade in terms of X and O's and certainly an upgrade in recruiting. If Urban Meyer - who would do anything to win and is an offensive guy thinks he can coach offense, he can probably coach offense. Keep an eye on if we can't move the ball in the 3rd quarter against ACC teams. If that is an issue in year 2-3, Pry needs to be more proactive than Fu and move on if necessary.

this is the most positive post I've seen from DC in a long time. Things are lookin' up :)

Onward and upward

In his defense, DC just tells it like it is.

And the way "it is" hasn't been very positive for VT Football for a few years now.

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Oh I have long appreciated DC and his frank perspective. He can be bombastic and a bit harsh at times but I've almost always agreed with his overall points. It's a truly good sign to see positivity in his posts. I know it's genuine and I meant what I said genuinely.

Onward and upward

I like it when dc posts. He doesn't do fluff, says what he thinks, defends it well. Makes the board better IMHO.

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So our new OC sucks at coaching WRs? Not good, not good. /s

FWIW, the 2020 PSU offense was the 26th best offense per SP+. VT was #20 per SP+.

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You mean K. Herbert was #20?

Onward and upward

Yikes @ the 2-10 Jags right now. Bowen's probably happy to be getting out of that circus.

During a staff meeting, [Urban] Meyer delivered a biting message that he's a winner and his assistant coaches are losers, according to several people informed of the contents of the meeting, challenging each coach individually to explain when they've ever won and forcing them to defend their résumés.

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Just came here to post this. Someone explain to me, why should Bowen wait until the end of the NFL season to join us? He can't get fined for quitting, right?! Let's get started and start meeting with some recruits!

I assume there could be some contractual language that would cost him $$. Put up with that ass hat for a month and then GTFO with his full payday.

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Correct - contract obligation.

Just have Bowen walk in, say "ya got me - I suck." And see if he is fired (I'd assume no contractual obligation at that point, and doesn't have to work for an asshole who apparently isn't participating in the same exercise). If I was one of the coaches, I'd say "weren't you the coach at Ohio State in 2016 when they went to the playoffs and got completely shut out? I mean, that demonstrates a certain amount of suck as well."

Bowen should play the 2014 VT-OSU game for Urban and let him defend it, throw up the deuces and walk out.

Have papa john's delivered as the video starts.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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How did you defend this urban?

Whatta douche

uva - the taint of the ACC

dude's been a hypocritical scumbag forever, I hope he gets canned by the Jaguars

I hope he coaches next season first and goes 0-16 and is remembered for making a bad team even worse.

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Why would us Jags deserve that.

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Would you rather have him go 5-12 for the next 2-3 years and have to deal with him destroying your franchise or just get it over with? It is clear his style does not fit in the NFL and is not going to work.

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Don't forget the 17th game. Let him set another record.

one of the few times something I said actually aged well

Most importantly, does Bowen kinda look like Pacho from the Narcos series?

Former Maryland OL Sean Christie (@seanchristie77) said about new offensive coordinator Tyler Bowen:

"He is going to be an absolute coaching stud whenever he becomes an OC or head coach. He is legit. Our offensive line was probably the best under him. He is extremely relatable since he is only a few years being removed. He is not a 50 or 60 year old guy who can't show you anything himself. From a football knowledge standpoint, he is excellent. He is very technical. If you want to go somewhere and expand on your abilities, he will absolutely get you there. You can get bigger and stronger anywhere. He is the most technical coach I have had."

https://twitter.com/officialvisit/status/1469754396397510666?s=21

If you want to go somewhere and expand on your abilities, he will absolutely get you there. You can get bigger and stronger anywhere. He is the most technical coach I have had."