Claeys to Retire

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$500k saved for 2021?

I hope there's no health issues, as he's pretty young to retire.

Wish him all the best!

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Apparently not health issues, just wants to be closer to home:

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Announcing retirement like a player transferring, lol. I wish him a happy retirement (possibly temporary as it sounds like he still wants to be a DC)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

He lost 125 pounds in the last 18 months!!! Wow!! Good for him.

Must not be eating milkshakes with Frank

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

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Reddit post suggests Jack Tyler is the rumored replacement.

I immediately thought that when I read the post title.

I really hope this staff turns out well. Not just because I want wins or want hokies to coach, but because scouting young coaches well is one of the few things VT can do to gain a competitive advantage without spending a ton of money. It's one of the most underrated things Clemson/dabo has done over the past 10 years.

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LET'S GET IT! JACK IN THE BOX!! JACK! BOX!

he called an amazing game against NC State, so I'm looking forward to this (if true)

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Ryan Smith was DC for NC State.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

He called the Duke game.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Duke was a by-committee play calling endeavor.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Interesting he thanks only CJF (and not coach Ham) and leaves the door open for a DC job. Seems like he wants the headset, so no reason to sit behind a 40 year old DC - good choice for him, best of luck.

Read his retirement post, he mentions coming back if it's a DC position.

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so no reason to sit behind a 40 year old DC

Hey, HEY.

JHam and I were part of the same incoming class. Don't age us.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Lets bring our boy back!

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Jack Tyler seems logical assessment, like Chris stated above. Even if it's an internal promotion leanding to a lower level hire, still excited to see how this staff evolves and fills out

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From what I gather from insiderish posts over the last season from anywhere Hokies talk football, Tyler was basically doing Claeys' job all season anyway. I'm sure Tyler will get a pay boost now but at least we can use some of that 500k salary and put it to better use

At this rate everyone on staff for the defense will be a Hokie grad soon.

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That will either be very good or very bad... Hoping for good.

More money to use on a real OC!

There is an outstanding linebacker coach living at Claytor Lake
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"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

So you hire an experienced DC to mentor the young guy, they put together the 103rd ranked defense, and then the experienced guy bounces? Meanwhile, Bud is still chilling (deservedly) on the lake, and I doubt he was as involved as we were led to believe when J-Ham was announced. And now, likely, Tyler is the replacement?

Just seems like a youth movement, and a LOT of confidence in J-Ham's ability to run the show on his own. The jury is still out on that, in my opinion.

For what it is worth, I was most disappointed with linebackers last year.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I agree. I'm actually fine with Claeys leaving - but if the idea was that he was a set of training wheels for J-Ham, and the defense was horrific, and they are going to replace him with a first-time position coach, it's just a real head scratcher.

Maybe he was also training wheels for Jack Tyler. It could have even been potentially a handshake one year deal. Who knows. I am ok with it though, and I thank him for whatever knowledge he dropped in 12 months.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I think all of the position groups on defense negatively affected the other groups last year. It just wasn't a particularly well-oiled machine all around.

At times, it felt like real-life electric football.

The change up front in technique exposed the linebackers. I said in my season previews to expect the linebackers to get exposed unless the DTs could keep them clean. They didn't.

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The defense definitely needs a lot of work.

The one bright side, if you can call it that, is that we had a brutal schedule this year. We played 5 ranked teams which I don't know the last time we did that. We played 4 in 2010 and that had a bowl game against a ranked team.

We played 7 of the top 30 offenses against P5 teams this year. Four of those teams we held well under their average. We only play 4 teams in the top 30 next year.

7 ACC teams allows 435 yards or more (VT 449). The ACC had some brutal offenses. We play 5 teams next year that allows 440 yard or more a game.

Our scoring defense put us 82nd, still not great, but we are a FG away from UNC, UVA, NC State, BC which are the middle of the pack teams (i know we don't want to be middle pack defense, but middle of the pack would be an improvement and could have won us 2 more games and 7-4 sound much better)

We also had 3 outlier games, UNC, UofL and Pitt really mess with our stats. We played terrible defense in those games. If we fixed those games we still only get to middle pack, but that is a huge step in the right direction.

I would really curious to hear what the current LBers think of Jack Tyler, especially Dax and Tisdale now that they're both poised to be the lynchpin of the position group.

I think if Tyler has done a great job as a QC coach and has the the potential to be a great position coach (both of which we can't really gauge as fans from the outside looking in), he's a slam dunk hire. He can be a conduit to former Hokies, he understands how to recruit Virginia and financially we're not going to get a better position coach for the same price point...we were paying Claeys $500k/year, JT would probably get what Lecht/Smith are making which is sub 200k-200k.

Can someone point to me who would be the clear cut best in show hire currently on the market? Unless it's a Torrian Gray-level hire, I don't think we are going to do better from a value-add standpoint.

Going to be 100% honest, if Jack Tyler was not a VT alum, we would be very unhappy with this hire. Just pointing that out.

I hope he succeeds, of course.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Would we though? He's been mentored by one of the greatest defense coordinators of all-time, he understand how to recruit Virginia, "football intelligence" per Bud. He's not someone as accomplished as John Chavis or Torrian Gray but I don't think we would pan it completely.

Jafar Williams had more P5 experience than any coach on this staff and it was not a well received hire. Don't lie to yourself. I hope he does well, don't get me wrong. But lets just say we hired an QA/QC from a team that has averaged 6 wins the last three season, you're telling me we wouldn't be pissed? I'm not buying it.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Fans are gonna fuss if they have no way to convince themselves how good they are. Our QC guys are being groomed to be the next greatest coach. Their QC coach is inexperienced and small time.

That said, it is a position coach at the end of the day. I have no problem home growing those. It is the best interview a leader can administer.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

He has also been part of the program of the graduate assistant, paid analyst/assistant for quite a while now. He was going to be moving to a position coach job sooner or later. I know he was working as Buds day to day assistant doing gameplanning back in 2016. He honestly would be one of the better first year position coaches you could hire.

For me, from a position coach I want two things, both which could be true for Jack Tyler:

1 - Recruiting. Assistants need to be able to woo and wheel with the best of them in today's climate.

2 - Positional coaching. Not only has he been on staff for awhile gaining experience on what it looks like to coach LB technique, but he is not so far removed from executing those techniques himself.

I'm pretty confident he will be able to do number 2. Not hiring a certified, well known P5 recruiter as a position coach is certainly my biggest concern, but I tend to like younger coaches if you are going to take a risk on them as a recruiter. It's much more likely that a 30 year old will be able to connect and relate with recruits than an older position coach if they aren't already an established killer on the trail.

One qualifier- Bud's system and this system, especially as it continues to evolve into a finished product (it wasn't last year) are very different. That isn't a knock on Jack- just noting that his playing experience factors very little unless he is teaching how to prepare yourself to be a good player.

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All I ask is that he have our guys tackling well again, as a start.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

If he was a GA who had been in the system for 5 years, who had slowly climbed the latter, and had a raving endorsement by Bud Foster, I think we'd be okay with it.

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Hopefully like this?

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You must hire a recruiting machine!!! coaching is great, but we must get a guy who can bring some players here. Not sure that Cleys was bringing anyone here , so get a guy who can sell the program. Someone who can get the top local players to come back to tech

No, you need to hire coaches and have a separate recruiting machine like the big boys do it. Yes, recruiting is part of the job, but VT needs more bodies to do the leg work.

Except for the really good and really bad outliers, recruiting is largely a function of the emblem on a coach's polo shirt.

Holman Wiggins signed 4 players in the '21 class with an average rating of 97.51. In 2019, he signed 3 players with an average rating of 88.53. Did his recruiting skills suddenly get A LOT better overnight?

Even so... 88.53 is a huge upgrade over our last two classes.

Empirical data say yes.

Ahh, the strategic move to have Bud come back and coach LBs. I love it!

I am happy with this hire. I have no sources, but he's certainly put in his time and seems to be well-liked by everyone around the program.

That didn't take long

Fun fact from Bitter: "This is now a *very* young defensive staff. Justin Hamilton (38), Darryl Tapp (36), Ryan Smith (30) and Jack Tyler (30) are all under 40. The oldest is DL coach Bill Teerlinck, who is all of 42."

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

hopefully that means they can do a good job of "relating" to recruits

I was just thinking that this screams recruiting as much as coaching, which is what you should be doing in today's college football world.

I'm 34. I don't relate well to high schoolers.

I believe they don't even verbally communicate anymore. They all "talk" to each other via interpretive dance moves on TikTok

Defensive staff rolling up like

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

It takes a lot of trust though, to not view these hires as the Jim Weaver-James Johnson-walk down the hall and hire someone types of moves.

Huge difference between promoting a GA to position coach vs position coach to head coach IMO.

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If we are the developmental program like Fuente has said he wants to be then that should be coaching to. We should have GAs that learn the job and then get hired at P5 schools. Getting coaches promoted means that we we have an opening young/cheap up and coming coaches would want to come here, show off, and get promoted.

Now I dont know if that is Fuente's vision for a developmental program, and coaching is such a weird occupation from job prospects that I dont know if that would work. But I like the idea in my own fantasy world!

Thank you to Coach Claeys. Congrats to Coach Tyler.

Now go get an Offensive QC coach who specializes in QBs, PLEASE!

With it taking approximately 0.8 seconds for VT to announce Tyler as the new LB coach, and the statement from Claeys indicating he might not really be done.... I feel like maybe Claeys retirement maybe wasn't necessarily his choice.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Agree. This definitely seems like JHam and Claeys were not on the same page.

The timing and "retiring" while simultaneously noting your interest in a DC job don't really give any impression that this was planned.

Or that it may have always been the plan.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Sure, I suppose one could plan to take a job, move away from the Midwest where pretty much your entire coaching career has taken place, and work through one of the most unique and challenging Seasons anyone could ever imagine--just to retire 13 months later, but that seems like a pretry bizarre "plan."

And from the VT side, it makes even less sense to put a new defensive staff together just to have to change it up a year later.

It would be a $500k gap year. Not outside the realm of possibility.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Or maybe it was a bit of both? Maybe it was something like it was seen as a bridge for all sides involved and the whole "2020" thing just made Claeys take stock of where he wanted to be in life a little earlier than anticipated?

I would simply take the quick announcement of Tyler as simply coordinating the announcements a "search" apparently wasn't deemed necessary. Occam's Razor.