49ers in Discussions with Darryl Tapp to be Team's Assistant DL Coach

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Well, I want Mr Tapp to do well but, I am also a bit selfish right now and want the VT line to do well too.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I'll admit my own ignorance in terms of how he's done as a recruiter, and I felt like the best on-field coaching grade I could give for anyone on the defensive side would be an Incomplete based on Bud leaving + COVID etc.

However, the 49ers just lost one of the NFL's best DCs and definitely seem to have a good understanding of that side of the ball...which implies to me that Tapp must know his Xs and Os.

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Two thoughts on this. First, this would be a huge blow from a recruiting and coaching standpoint. Guys loves being a Hokie, coaching Hokies, and embodies VT. Second, I know he was the first time P5 coach people we're least nervous about, but maybe we should give new people a chance considering he made such an impression he's getting NFL looks after one year?

I hope he stays but I can understand leaving if the money is right. Not a lot of P5 schools pay assistants under $200k a year and VT has three of them.

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Keeping Fuente on the hot seat for another season would have consequences, we said.

We're a social media mob, the athletic director said.

Why would I stay here under all of this uncertainty, Tapp is probably saying.

This is true, when you get the call, you go. You can't be sure it's going to happen again.

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Or maybe he's saying "I make $175,000 now, and the average positional coach in the NFL makes over $400,000 (a number that has almost doubled in the last three years. Even though I love my alma mater, which comes through in video of how I coach, how I recruit, and how I interact with fans and former players on Twitter, it's hard to turn down that big of a pay raise. I'll at least interview and see what they have to offer."

I literally have no insight on this whatsoever, but holy fucking shitballs, do we really need to blame every single goddamn thing on Whit Babcock and Justin Fuente?

If you find me someone other than the athletic director and head football coach who could be plausibly responsible for VT football I will add them to the blame list.

Post hoc ergo proctor hoc. Not everything in life has such a clear cause and effect.

Might as well blame Whit and Fuente for hiring such a competent individual that he gets poached in the first place.

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I can tell you it starts at the top with Sands... he is limiting our football program and what Whit can do. Does Whit and Fuente have blame to take, sure... but from what i've been told Sands is restricting a lot of things Whit wants to do. Allocating enough/more budget to football program is obviously one of them. This has been happening pre-covid too, not just this year.

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I don't know if this is true or not but if it is that is certainly disheartening. Also, not altogether all that shocking. I had a feeling that the problems ailing VT football right now are deep and won't change until there are major changes at the top echelon. It sure sounds like as long as Sands is at the helm VT football will flounder. That's too bad. And, IMO, that's a critical mistake by Sands. Either he's misunderstanding the culture that makes VT special or he just doesn't care. But from where I sit, VT football is vital to the success of VT at large. I think Sands will have a tough time maintaining the success VT enjoyed under Steger, let alone advancing that success, if the football program falls by the wayside. Only time will tell.

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The university funds are separate from the athletic department funds. They are separate entities, hence why they have different logos and such. I'm pretty sure there is someone around that is plugged in enough to give a lesson on how it works.

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I'm not sure where the idea that Sands is keeping the AD from spending money comes from. Now from my point of view Sands is failing at branding for VT. We should have a single logo for example.

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Sands has become quite the punching bag, but I do not see nor have I heard of any evidence as to what he's done that has impacted the Athletic Department. I'm a little confused as to what it is that people do not like about him specifically related to athletics.

I have seen quite a bit of criticism for his perceived political slant but I'll leave that one alone to respect the CGs.

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political slant

dammit...now I'm curious

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Sands is a little too NOVA (because of the Innovation Campus) for folks in SWVA from the many, many comments I've seen.

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What does that even mean? Dude is from Cali

Not where he's from, where his focus is. The impression I have gotten is that a lot of people think of Sands as too liberal for VT/SWVA and that he's uninterested in VT athletics' success. Trying to hint at that and stay within the CG.

I don't see a shred of evidence that Sands has done anything to negatively impact VT athletics, but there's a significant number of posters around the VT boards who seem to believe that.

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I don't think the man's political leaning has anything to do with it. VT needs money and we don't get enough from tuition alone. I don't agree with it, but he's following the money.

if only there were some cash-cow VT could invest in....

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I think the Innovation Campus is a massive boon for VT, and I have no issues with Sands whatsoever.

I was just trying to point out that a lot of people do not seem to like him, and have produced zero evidence as to why they do not like him. I've seen posters complain about lack of money focused on football, the academic logo (seriously, who cares?), etc. and on other boards (with less strict CGs surrounding political discussion) who complain about him and it seems to be related to his focus on diversity and inclusion, commitment to the NOVA grad campus, and expansion of VT.

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I dislike the logo. Why separate academics and athletics? Why spend the money on rebranding something that didn't need rebranding? It screamed change for the sake of change to me.

But, I do not think we have any evidence whatsoever that he has held athletics back.

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I interpreted it as he's a city person leading a school in rural America.

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I do not see nor have I heard of any evidence as to what he's done that has impacted the Athletic Department

See my comment below

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This is true, but I do have two counter points:

  1. At the end of the day, one of the opportunity costs when a donor gives to the athletic department is that that donation is NOT going to the academic side of the university. I've been told by #sauces that the academic side of the university ALWAYS gets first dibs at contacting new donors, and the Athletic Department is asked to hold off reaching out to a new donor until the University has done so first.
  2. Sands may not be making decisions for Whit, but he could be giving direction. A CEO may not be making decisions for the VP of sales, but if he says 'our goal is to increase presence in Market X' the leaders in sales will likely instruct their department to prioritize that goal. Similarly, if Sands says 'our primary goal is to win the director's cup,' then Whit will drive towards that goal (instead of focusing efforts on football) - FWIW, I have no source/evidence that this is what is happening; just an opinion/gut feel I have.

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Sands is intertwined with the rest of the university, and athletics is a bit further down the totem pole. This isn't new, and hasn't been for just about every major school out there.

Weaver, for all the good he did, did not leave behind a solid athletic department. Whit has done a fantastic job resurrecting our athletics across the board. We are competitive in multiple Olympic sports, and have facilities, or will have facilities that can compete with just about anyone in the ACC. The Drive for 25, and pushing for donations will become fruitful, soon. I truly believe that.

Whit has done a poor job handling the mess our football program is in. The monies needed for Cassell, baseball, etc, could very easily have gone to football and football recruiting, but those funds were needed in the ugliest of ways for our other sports. Fuente has not been a good brand for himself, something Beamer didn't have to do. Beamer was also content without a major support staff. We're only just now seeing this.

Regarding last month, Whit flip flopped in his decision to retain Fuente. The final decision was ultimately on Whit. Sands ok'd the decision, sure, but don't think Whit didn't get a slap on the wrist from Sands. The negativity of the press conference was not seen pleasantly by the BOV and university leadership.

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With the cost difference in living wage between Blacksburg and San Francisco that might be a pay cut...

I almost spit out my tea laughing at this!

True story about a postdoc at Yale who got an offer to be an instructor at Coastal Carolina. Cannot remember the exact numbers, but she was making $27,000 or $28,000 a year and CC offered her $1,000 more. She visited there and looked at the tax and cost of living differences. Told me just before she left that the < 5% salary increase was, I think, 2x what she was making in terms of real purchasing power. You just have to live to the west of the school. If you try to live east of campus/closer to the shore, then things were expensive.

And this is not even taking into account that New Haven is definitely not a nice place to live. Don't know what the area around CC is like, but it's almost certainly a lot better.

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Cost of living is something you definitely have to look at. When I graduated Tech, a couple places in NoVA wanted me, but at their pay scale it wasn't worth it to move up there.

I wish someone would have told me what $44K looks like up here before I said yes.

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To me it was also the expectations of being at work at 6 am ( I am a night owl), 50-60 hour weeks, expected to wear a full suit every day, and looking up the areas that made me decide to stay in Blacksburg.

So my advice to all those students who are looking at this thread. Consider what it is going to cost to live there as well as how much money they are going to pay you.

To Mr. Tapp, California real estate and taxes are INSANE. Remember THIS IS HOME.

I started at $28k in Sonoma County just north of SF. It was basically poverty. The things we do for career dreams! Course now that I have a family we moved back to Bbg with a big reason being cost of living!

175k in Blacksburg roughly equals 375k in San Fran. Albeit, depending on personal preferences San Francisco could be considered a much nicer place to live.

The opportunity to get coaching experience in the NFL on the resume has to be a dream. Everybody gotta do what's best for them!

I keep wondering why everyone is hung up on the money that tapp would make. It is the NFL, the pinnacle of football. He is with a college team that will struggle to win 6 games next year. The NFL job could be a stepping stone to a great future. Money is not the end all. Embrace his opportunity, and wish him the best. Find a recruiter to replace him, and move on. He won't fix all of fuente's problems here. Time to move on, he would probably be looking for a job next year anyway with fuente floundering . edit, will struggle to win 6 games unless we pick up 2 or 3 weak g5 or dbs games as we have in the past

The money argument is a piece, but probably not a big one. Tapp made 17M in the NFL, his wife is a realtor and a good one at that and he has a young family.

This is all about what he and his family ultimately wants with things like where you want to live, how hard do you want to recruit on the road, how do you value nfl vs college coaching (some people prefer one vs the other) and the security or lack thereof in each situation. Say what you want about VT situation, but going to San Fran could easily be a 1 year experience as well.

In case you are wondering why you're catching downvotes in this thread, this is exactly the kind of noise that Joe talked about.

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Why would I stay here under all of this uncertainty, Tapp is probably saying.

For what it's worth, I thought that was a good/fair point, not noise. I know the assistant coaches didn't know which way the wind was blowing until the end. I would imagine Tapp, as we all do, wants job security for himself and his family. Fuente's status is going to have a ripple effect with his staff and recruits. It's unfortunate and is what it is.

I actually agree with that a lot, my frustration was the immediate take that this is because we didn't fire Fuente and Whit Babcock called us a "social media mob" now reap what you've sown. Hyperbolic, reflexive anger to everything bad that happens is unproductive in my opinion and makes even good points seem noisy.

It's your right to say it's hyperbole all you like but it's a direct quote. He stood in front of a press conference and likened a significant portion of the fanbase to a social media mob.

just because it's easier to pacify the social media mob

-Whit Babcock, December 16, 2020.

So throw some more big brain Latin at me all you like...VT football is a sinking ship and we are likely about to get worse. Maybe in this particular case the NFL is too enticing no matter what we do...but Tapp's salary is $175,000. The Power 5 average is something like $400,000 for assistants. Who made the decision for VT to offer non-competitive salaries and keep a boiling hot seat coach for another year?

Is there someone who perhaps....directs the athletic department...that can answer? Or is that too noisy for you?

Saban recycles his whole staff every couple of years and we are a sinking ship because a co-defensive line coach is sniffing a promotion? I would be sad to lose Tapp but it isn't the end of the world. And, we haven't heard anything about a potential counter offer.

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True I may have went to the extreme in stating my point. Doesn't change the fact that staffs cycle through talent on the regular. We just haven't gotten used to it post Beamer.

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That's because 1) head whistle matters most in the staff, 2) they pay too dollar to bring in the best staff available, and 3) most important of all is having top talented players

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I'm going to respond to this and then I'm done with this thread - but I have a couple of thoughts.

First, a significant portion of the fanbase is not the social media mob. It has been a while since I've been able to go to a home game, but I can assure the old ass people who sit near me and my parent's seats don't know who OX_VT is and don't care that Whit blocked him. Furthermore, studies show that outside of Facebook, most people don't use social media all that much. Take Twitter for example - about 80% of the tweets come from about 10% of the users. Good points or bad, we absolutely shouldn't be making decisions based on the demands of social media.

Second, it isn't necessarily a complaint to point out that guys like Tapp have a lower salary than average. He was a first-time position coach. I'm confident that if he was given a larger salary to start there would be people wondering why a first-time coach was being paid so much. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Now that he has been here a year, I would be supportive of giving him an extension with high pay from Claeys old salary, or by giving him incentives. That could happen independently of the 49ers interviewing him.

Third, I may have been snobby using Latin but even if I said "correlation does not mean causation" the point would still stand. As I've said, I agree with your point that stability may have been a factor. Salary may have been a factor, and he's trying to get some leverage. Maybe he doesn't like recruiting. Maybe he wanted to work with a top-five NFL defensive line. Point is, despite all the speculation, we don't know. What I do know, is that no one has been happier to be back at Virginia Tech than Darryl Tapp, and we should do everything we can to try to keep him.

The Power 5 average is something like $400,000 for assistants.

First - This seems super high to me. Source?
Second - I bet the median is far below the average.
Third - what's the average/median salary for a first year position coach?

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Torrian Gray was king $450 at UF and now less than 400k at USC. There is now 400k is the average for a position coach especially with the number of years experience Tapp has.

My question would be, how would firing CJF changed the answer? Tapp would still be making 175K if he was still here and the 49ers would still be able to pay more.

Honestly, it's a great opportunity for him. I would imagine it pays more, and he's getting NFL experience. I hope he does whatever he believes is best for his career.

Based on a 2020 Cost of Living calculator I found online, Tapp would have to make 2.8 times his salary in San Fran to be equal to what he makes in Blacksburg. That equates his $175k salary needing to jump to ~$489k just to break even on money.

If he wants to coach NFL though, he would get that chance there but would likely take a pay cut to do it.

Cost of living is a good point, according to Yahoo Finance the average NFL assistant salary is $400k. I don't know if that number includes coordinator salaries though.

Either way, the experience is certainly better.

I am laughing, I made that point above without looking up the actual cost of living. So he would BE taking a pay cut.

Was that cost of living calculator updated in the last couple months? Bay Area rents have fallen DRASTICALLY (I watch because I've lived there the last 3.5 years...moving to London now).

Cost of living is mostly tied up in rent, too, and if he is happy with a smaller place, his payments for housing might not change THAT much compared to what he had in Blacksburg (obviously I do not have the info on either end of this). When I moved from Cincinnati to SF, my cost of living went up a little and I did not upgrade in terms of my place, but my living happiness went up a lot because of all there is to do around the area....and my salary went up significantly so even with taxes I have made and saved a significant amount more money in my 3.5 years there than I did in 5.5 in Cincinnati.

It's all relative, I hope he stays because I like him at VT, but I more hope he does what is best for him.

Yes. It is based on numbers from economic factors as of the end of 2020. And the numbers are realistic based on personal knowledge. I had an employee who moved from one of our offices in Virginia to one in San Fran at the end of the year. His expenses for housing jumped from about $1k/month for a 1000 sq ft 2 bed/2 bath apartment to $2500/month for a 650 sq ft 1 bed/1 bath apartment.

Sounds about right haha. The trick to SF living is that your place is for eating, sleeping, some TV watching, but otherwise it's an outdoor city. It's a pretty early night city for the most part, too...not a lot of being out super late drinking all night as you want to be doing stuff Saturday and Sunday....of course, that's all without Covid...

It's also not like the team, it's offices or anything is actually in the city anyway. He can live in a pretty wide area around there.

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True, but most of the wide area you'd actually want to live in is still really expensive (especially for incomes levels of his). Also, Bay Area traffic is the worst thing ever and is full of the worst drivers ever, so you don't want to get too far away from where you work.

Another calculator shows only 2x factor, but I don't think these are all that accurate if they have a linear scale. Take this to an extreme... $10mil in B'Burg does not mean you need $20mil (or $28mil in your example) in the Bay. At some point, the factors that play into the calculator need to level off. A man can only eat so much steak.

If it were me, this would be way more about the cost of the lost opportunity than the cost of living adjustment.

Good on him if it gets it and goes.

But that doesn't make next year any less of a 'prove it' year for Fuente if we lose Tapp.

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With regards to expectations management, and what happened this past offseason, I wouldn't get it in your head that this season is make or break for Fuente either.

Is this a hint based on #sauces, or just your view of the situation based on Fuente not being fired this year?

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The latter most definitely

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I mean, I'd be shocked if Fuente was still here after missing another bowl game. I would not be shocked if he was still hear after a mediocre 7/8 win season. - We just don't know what the world of college athletics will look like in a year; will revenues return to 2018/19 levels, or will we still be feeling the (financial) impact from the pandemic?

So maybe it's not a 'make or break' year, but more like a 'don't-mess-up-too-much or break' year

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We've committed to whatever Fuente gives us. Hopefully success, but likely failure. Either way, Whit has doubled down on not making moves

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Sands doubled down on not making moves not whit

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Do you have any actual evidence of that at all besides wanting it to be true?

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Primus' #sauces have been fairly reliable in terms of the events he's stated becoming true.

To everyone out there who makes these claims about wanting "actual evidence", what is it that you guys want? Transcripts of conversations? Phone recordings? That's why these people have sources, because they dont say who their sources are. You will likely not ever have hard evidence of the way this thing truly transpired.

Well for me personally, I trust people who report information before anyone or any other outlet.

Joe, apologies, I read his comment and replied before i read yours below my initial comment

Implying that the university president is intentionally keeping the football program below its potential by denying his AD the ability to spend money or hire and fire is more than some recruiting info.

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Why you assume my homies only know recuirting info?

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Because Sands making those kinds of long term decisions would be public knowledge by now not just rumors.

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Ehhh not really. I mean, it's largely public knowledge that Whit had a meeting with BOV the afternoon before his press conference.

Anyway, I think your above statement that "the university president is intentionally keeping the football program below its potential" is mischaracterizing Sands's decision (assume the theory that Sands nixed the firing is true). If it is indeed true, I imagine that either (1) Sands wants to keep donor money going to the school or (2) he was concerned about optics. Neither is a circumstance where Sands is actively sabotaging the football program (which I know you didn't specifically say, but it can be inferred given your phrasing).

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What I hear behind the scenes informs my view of the situation.

But consider only the publicly available information, a very calculated athletic director compared Fuente's situation in 2020 to a Year One, not Year Five. I really don't believe his leash is as short as fans hope or think.

Well, that's upsetting.

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I mean hey, that's fine. But if there's going to be a lack of accountability for results within the administration, then I don't want to hear the complaints that fans aren't donating enough money going forward.

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But consider only the publicly available information, a very calculated athletic director compared Fuente's situation in 2020 to a Year One, not Year Five. I really don't believe his leash is as short as fans hope or think.

Sometimes I think about this quote, and the fact that Whit spun it as if keeping a HOF defensive coordinator on staff was somehow a detriment to Fuente, and my brain breaks. I cannot recall a time where I've been less hopeful about the direction of Tech football...so I've got that going for me.

Funny enough, (year) Zero is also the combined number of FBS jobs that every current defensive staff member held before joining up with Fuente.

I really wonder if, had the last few years been more successful, Whit/Fu would still have the view that this wasn't truly Fu's team until this year. Really doubt it. Seems like reaching for excuses yet again. Deflects all blame, but certainly takes the credit.

Funny enough, (year) Zero is also the combined number of FBS jobs that every current defensive staff member held before joining up with Fuente.

I understand the point you're making, but lumping Teerlinck's resume in with Ryan Smith's and Jack Tyler's just seems wrong to me.

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Was going to make a similar point. Yes, no FBS but NFL.

Exactly. The standard now is 7 wins and hope to beat UVA. Make no mistake. VT fans need to accept that.

But that doesn't make next year any less of a 'prove it' year for Fuente if we lose Tapp.

It does give Fuente yet another handy little excuse to hang his losing hat on...an excuse that Whit will, undoubtedly, buy

If Fuente wasn't fired after 2020 he won't be fired after 2021 unless he does something illegal. He could go 0-12 and blame the losses on Tapp bolting for the NFL and Whit will think it's only fair to let him get one more year with a complete staff

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If 2020 wasn't a prove-it year for Fuente, neither is 2021. Whit already told us that he accepts 5 wins, and a first losing season in multiple decades, with absolutely zero clear expectations for 2021, other than ambiguously "getting better". Fuente stays if he wins 5-6 games, which is incredibly depressing.

You do realize 5 wins in 2020 is not the same as 5 wins with a normal schedule in a normal year, right?

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I don't know that I believe that the restrictions placed on the team by COVID, significant as they were, were enough to take a team with the sixth most returning experience in FBS football and turn what was supposed to be a 9-10 win season into one with five wins.

I think vtcivengr was saying that our 11 game ACC schedule is more challenge than our typical schedule. This team probably wins 7 games and goes bowling with a normal schedule.

Not saying 7 wins is something to be proud of, but it's on the other side of the bowl threshold.

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Exactly. I am not saying 7 games is acceptable either. But this year was a total mess for most teams. I am positive that general fatigue played a part as well. Mostly though, I am saying that a 5 win season this year and a five win season under normal circumstances is very different.

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Tapp's gonna do what's best for him and his family, and I respect that.

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Good for Tapp, if he goes, can we find a high caliber recruiter? we need someone like stinespring to lock up the state, and then branch out.

Need to shuffle some of Claeys' money to my man D-Tapp. Supply and demand.

Can't be mad at him if he goes, but man, I hope we keep him!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Can't be mad if he goes.

and IF he goes, well.... i'll just leave this here

Cornell Brown and JC Price both released as new Marshall HC Charles Huff revamps his staff (link)

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If neither one of those names was an alum people would not be very happy with those hires. We need younger coaches especially with NFL experience to replace Tapp.

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Until last year, we had a septuagenarian as our DL coach and people on here were flabbergasted that he was let go.

And it was clear his (and Bud's to a degree) DL scheme and recruiting weren't working out.

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The line had been disruptive until Tim Settle left.

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We had depth/rotation issues when Tim Settle was here. Tim (and Ricky) masked a lot of problems on that DL. We saw that in the debacle that was 2018. If Wiles could recruit one guy like Tim every year, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Firing Wiles was a tough move; he was an accomplished coach whose production and recruiting dropped towards the end of his career (we were getting hammered in recruiting because we developed of rep of not being able to put linemen in the NFL). People were upset that he wasn't able to ride into the sunset, but much of the fanbase was complaining about DL recruiting and performance. I think the fanbase was struggling to admit that one of their most celebrated coaches was in fact hurting the program.

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Not to add noise, but I agree. There was much about the evolution of the game, especially the explosion in spread offenses with mobile QBs that led to a big decline of our D line recruiting and transition to the league. The game changed and we didn't keep up. I don't think we stopped a dual threat or even athletic pro-style in 10-15 years.

Just to tell ya it's most likely a internal promotion. Zach Sparber most likely

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They actually have good resumes compared to some of the other hires we've made πŸ’β€β™‚οΈ

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Cornell was a disaster as a position coach under Bud (besides some marginal utility in recruiting the 757), I don't see why we would want him back.

My understanding was that Cornell coached whips, which weren't really a part of Bud's nickel offense. As that became our base defense, there wasn't really a need for Cornell's position group, thus there wasn't really a need for his coaching position. He wasn't a bad coach, he just wasn't really needed.

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My understanding (from second-hand #sauces) that he was dead weight on Bud's staff pre-Fuente and was the obvious choice to get nixed when Galen Scott was brought into the fold.

I love Cornell the player and the man. But he was not a good coach or recruiter.

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It is really interesting to me that this is basically a "resume" tweet. Is this a common thing these days among coaches, or in any other profession, for that matter?

Legit question from the guy whose resume is a bunch of fish porn.

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Who is Darrell Tapp? Sorry, had to be that guy.

You can't blame someone taking a promotion. It's definitely apples and oranges though: no more recruiting, but an expected increase in hours worked

Methinks it's a comment on the thread title being "Darrell" rather than "Darryl".

Edit: Thread title has been corrected, so now this comment makes no sense. But I'm good with that.

ahh... i didn't even notice the misspelling... my mind just went in to panic mode at the potential impacts

It all depends on what his goals are.

If his goal is coaching at the college level, his impetus to leave is low. If his goal is coaching at the professional level, regardless as to salary, his impetus to leave is high

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San Fran connections with Tapp

HC Kyle Shanahan was OC in Washington in 2013, when Tapp was there
DC DeMeco Ryan was a player on the 2012 Eagles, when Tapp was there
DL Coach Kris Kocurek was Tapp's DL coach in Detroit from 2014-15

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Holy hell. Had no idea Demeco Ryans was even coaching, much less the new DC.

Proud of Tapp if he makes it happen. He's doing great things.

I can only hope Teerlink and Hamilton have a card deck ready to go, and an Ace of Spades for Fu to sign off on.

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If we're going to loose assistant coaches, better to an NFL promotion opportunity vs. a lateral position coach move to another P5 school. At least it encourages other assistant coaches to look at VT as a place to grow their career and possibly attract strong up and coming candidates.

Best of luck to DT wherever he may end up - he brought excitement to this past year with those huge gloves, screaming on the sidelines. Wish we could get him a helmet.

At least it encourages other assistant coaches to look at VT as a place to grow their career

Sell it as the best developmental program in America πŸ˜‰

welp. If he leaves, hopefully he'll come back someday at a different (maybe more important?) position. Or the same position. IIWII

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Me: at least we still have Teerlinck
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we also still have Fuente...

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All the juju!

Where's the beef?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as a guy who spent 11 years in the NFL, I wouldn't think a 200k increase would be that much of a motivating factor. I understand he wasn't a superstar, but even at the league minimum, that is life changing money for 11 years. Am I missing something?

Maybe he was irresponsible with his money and isn't as well off as one would assume. Or, for a lot of people, money is an easy way to measure how much their employer (or the market) values them; maybe Tapp wants to feel more valued/wanted. Or maybe he thinks he can learn more at the 49ers. Or maybe the coaching staff isn't in a good place.

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Reading this comment I can't help but think about all the awful things I would do for $200K...

Where's the beef?

This is exciting news for him. If NFL teams are looking at him, that shows how awesome he is.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

You mean Tapp doesn't get the Baker Mayfield option of living in the stadium?

Besides, don't the 49ers play their home games in Arizona?

You joke, but my dad lived in the old Eagles Stadium for a bit.

Fuck it. I'll bite.

Story, please.

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Not to accuse his father, but there was a jail in Eagles Stadium...

This was exactly my first though. They forgot he was down there.

Where's the beef?

Not much of a story. He was an athletic trainer for them for a couple seasons. He needed a place to stay for a bit when he started.

Biggest house he ever had....and I wouldn't be surprised if there are still staffers "living" at facilities.

Not knowing how old you are, means he could have lived in any of three places, Connie Mack, Franklin Field (still home to Penn Football) or Veteran's. The Vet was a great place to catch a game and with my Army background, watching the backstory on it getting blown up was fun too. The Linc is nice but just doesn't have that old dirt feel of the Vet.

I used to sleep in my office when I was a Company XO and it would get late. My apartment was an hour away in Savannah so sometimes it was easier to lay out a cot then to drive home. I can easily see football coaches and staffs doing the same.

Im sorry but i have to disagree....my memories of the Vet was that it was a complete dump, but that was closer to the end of its life....think mid to late 90's...i used to go see VT play temple there. Maybe it was better in its glory days though....

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Not surprised by that. They intentionally let the Vet go in the 90s because both the Eagles and Phillies wanted their own stadiums and let it go into disrepair to essentially force the decision to be made to build them.

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the Vet was a dump, but its dumpiness was also a terrific home field advantage

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

It was at the Vet. He did get to catch some concerts there for free too while he was there. I'll have to ask him again which ones.

I don't buy the uncertainty with Fuente being a factor in his decision. He could also go to SF and get swept out with a bad season or two and the money is comparable when adjusted for the cost of living (and pretty sure there is a little more $$ if he decides to stay). Comes down to where he and his family want to be and if he ultimately wants to coach in college or the League.

I don't buy the uncertainty with Fuente being a factor in his decision.

It was probably a factor in the decision. I'd be shocked to learn that it was the only factor, and I think it's unlikely (though not impossible) that it was the leading factor.

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Ugh...

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I hope Tapp knocks it put of the park no matter where he is (unless he goes to UVA)

So I have been quite on the fire Fuente front but I am now fully on board the he should be gone this second bandwagon and here is why (please don't down vote me)

We are the 2005 UVA football team. That team had a ton of NFL talent (7 players drafted with D'brickashaw staying at uva) and finished with 6 wins. Ron Prince, Danny Rocco, and Al Golden got poached for better jobs.

VT probably will have 2 round 1 picks and Deablo and Herbert probably we get drafted too. Now we might be losing coaches after a bad year. Fuente is Al Groh with a better record vs his rival.

/s most of this is in jest, I do wish Tapp the best where ever he goes.

(unless he goes to UVA)

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I can not imagine Tapp going to uva for any amount of money. I think his heart blood is so maroon and orange that he just could not soil himself by being a part of that place.

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I agree. I'm sure he'd much rather be apart of that place

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Twitter / 247 / TSL now implying a deal is done (not from behind any paywalls)

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I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

Congratulations! If true. That's a big time move, and props that the NFL can see his talent, just like Fuente and Teerlink did.

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I must admit, one of the only reasons I was okay with us keeping our current head coach was because I could not bear to see us fire Darryl Tapp, JHam, and our other Hokie greats who just came home. I am now afraid that Tapp won't be the last to leave, assuming the head whistle gets more than one more year...

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In a similar boat. While still feel Fuente should have been fired, I at least had some enthusiasm for the new D Staff going forward. Tapp was certainly a major part of that.

This certainly seems to be a good career step for Tapp and wish him the best of luck, but can't help feeling like a bit of a punch in the gut.

So I guess this means that the year after next year should be considered Fuente's "Year 1." Just be patient ya'll.

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Can we hope for the Michigan treatment? Tapp becomes a HC in the NFL loses a Super Bowl, comes back to Tech even more of a hero than he already is.

Minus the Michigan 2020 results please.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

If true, good for him, but I will be sad to see him go.

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It'll suck to lose him but it's to the NFL. But its a big no-brainer even if he ends up making less (considering market) than he did here.

Getting NFL coaching experience gives you so many options afterwards. It would honestly be dumb to not take it. I would've been pissed if he left to another college team but to the nfl is a no brainer.

Jack Tyler gets hired, a good chunk of money is saved from Claeys's contract...Tapp easily walks out the door despite being the alleged architect of alumni relations, and the key piece to 757 recruiting?

Cool.

I don't know much, and who knows if an attempt was made to keep him, but this is the funniest and dumbest development for this staff.

Meanwhile, Price and Cornell are on the street looking for jobs, but I'd be lying if I thought Fuente was going to go that route.

Hey, all we can do is hope and pray. JHam might bring them in for interviews. They both have experience and that Alumni factor that can help with recruiting.

Happy for Tapp; it's good to have options. The fact it hasn't been officially announced yet that he is gone gives me hope that we have a chance of keeping him. OTOH, I don't think having "co-" defensive line coaches is very common, so it's probably a role Teerlink can handle from a game management Xs/Os standpoint but we would need another charismatic guy, preferably a Hokie and preferably from the 757, somewhere on the staff in involved in recruiting or similar in order to break even on this.

As for his potential salary, I am thinking it's the opportunity/foot-in-the-door factor of getting to coach in The League that would have more to do with whether he goes. Also, with a wife and family he has to consider their needs and desires. Blacksburg ought to come out the winner in that calculus, but I am not Darryl Tapp, so who knows.

Maybe we need to bring in a Teerlink disciple. It is his father's line scheme, and he would seem to be someone who could be cherry picked from us with his resume in the NFL> If this is the scheme we will move forward with, we should have someone in place to take over the scheme.

Or, we say F it, because Fuente won't be here next year anyway...

there goes our lead for relations with former players. got one tweet out for DMs.

Wouldn't be shocked if Fuente pulls a Fuente and promotes Zach Sparbar.

Damn. I was looking forward to him executing the plan of visiting every high school in VA once the pandemic is over. Hopefully with the additions of guys like Corey Fuller and Jeron Gouveia-Winslow, that can still be accomplished to an extent. I still think the defensive line is in good hands with Teerlink.

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As far as I know JC price and Cornell brown are available

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Why do Tech fans yearn so much for former coaches and players that aren't really upgrades?

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I think it's twofold. One, they remember them fondly from their time here, maybe rose-colored glasses in some cases. Two, they don't want them to be great elsewhere and be left thinking if only they stayed home.

Having zero or few former Hokies on staff hasn't worked out. Maybe more Hokies coming home will? At this point, I'll try anything to avoid the dumpster fire of 2020.

Fuente has had more former Hokie players as coaches and on staff per year than Beamer ever did. Hell at one point em we even had former a player as an assistant AD in charge of alumni relations.

I get when people look at T. Gray and wanted him to stay on staff but pining for two guys one of whom has only coached at JMU and Marshal and another who didn't really have an impact long term while on the Hokies staff I don't get.

I also don't get some comments on here and social media about bringing in former players who don't even coach to be coaches. That one is just odd on all levels.

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It's clear you trust the head whistle to make a hire that's "better" on paper than JC Price/Cornell Brown, and it's clear the rest of us don't.

Let's be honest, it's probably just gonna be that Beau Davidson gets elevated to on-field coaching staff and Teerlinck takes DL by himself and nobody is happy because recruiting (which hasn't even been good!!) takes a hit because there's one less staff member focused exclusively on that.

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I would take Tyrod over Cornelson right now in a "Steve Nash" situation. Otherwise, everyone else out there is pretty meh unless you think an Hokie NFL coach is willing to come back to Blacksburg.

Nothing screams competent P5 offensive coordinator like career NFL transition QB. If you take Virginia Tech QB off of his resume you would be pissed if he was hired as the OC.

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I always wonder if we are the only fan base that does this. I love all of our alumns, but it's okay to also say that a lot of them might not make the best coaches or that we could and should do better. For example, love Jack Tyler the player and people rave about him as a GA. But in what is likely a do-or-die year for Fuente, why are we not at least looking around a bit for a LB coach with some DC experience in case the JHam as DC experiment continues to flounder? I get that the fanbase loves it, but do you know what else the fanbase loves? Winning, and we have a grand total of 4 seasons of major D1 coaching on the defensive side of the ball now.

Because Jack Tyler was always a real cerebral player (can of worms opened), no really, he knew the schemes well enough that he outplayed his physical stature. Those guys make good coaches.

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I think Byron Leftwich or Kellen Moore would argue that point with you.

Ledtwich was a training camp intern and then QB coach before becoming an OC. Moore was a QB coach before becoming an OC.

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Actually it kind of does scream that to me. Not that we should hire Tyrod, but he's not 6'4" 235 lbs with a rocket arm. He's stayed in the league because he knows the offenses and can back up if something goes wrong. He also has been in positions to mentor young QBs and is well thought of by teammates and coaches. So he probably has the smarts and attitude to become a good coach.

He's way to fashionable to be a coach.

Ok, I keep seeing different stuff.
Did Tapp get hired NFL or not?

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Nothing formal yet it seems!

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Of all the many facets of this shitburger of a development, easily my favorite is how long it's taking

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And....he's gone. Congrats Coach Tapp.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Go get em DTapp, you will be missed.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Field yates is reporting it done

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Teerlinck already putting people in the league.

Gotta help with recruiting right??

/s Congrats to DTapp. Go get em big fella!

Good luck, get that NFL coaching experience so hopefully in five years when JHam is HC he can come back to run the defense.

Also, you can add another item to the #FirePeteMoris file.

That's a not at all subtle shot at Tapp and an embarrassing look for the team.

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A subtle shot at Tapp at worst, poorly timed and cringey at best. We have zero marketing ability from the top of the university down to the staffers like Beau.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

THIS IS HOME FUCKING GARBAGE

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HAHAHAHA I would love to know who came through & downvoted all these reactions. Prob Pete himself.

How ridiculous that with all the other problems this program has, we have to deal with this shit, too.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I absolutely can't stand this guy. Should have cut him and had student interns run the Twitter handle and I guarantee it would be better. I guess Whit and Co. were just blown away by all that NFL experience.

Typically, these are automated tweets including one today that Coach Davidson shared about our campus being the best in the country. I'd like to think this is not a shot at Tapp, but this also gets retweeted when we lose a VA recruit or a high level target. So, who knows?

EDIT: highlighted for emphasis

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Neither Davidson's or the grit tweet from HokiesFB were scheduled to be posted today. Unless their social media team is literally so wacko that they schedule tweets to be sent at 11:37 (Beau) and 9:03 (Grit), they were tweeted in the moment.

PLEASE tell me this really wasn't aimed at DT! The guy is Mr VT imho and any shade thrown at him for taking a job in the league would be beyond classless. If we thought alumni relationships were bad before, this just tops it all.

Pete Moris should be fired for - and let's be generous here - having the worst timing in the history of social media.

Your finger goes on the pulse, Pete. Not up your own ass.

I'm legit embarrassed by this. And I'm not the only one. The ratios are very ugly on Twitter...

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Pete and his team are absolutely horrible at social media, and it's a really, really poor reflection of the program.

Subtweeting Darryl fucking Tapp for leaving after your coach publicly flirted with Baylor a year ago is STUPID.

I cannot wait for Fuente and his staff to go.

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Why can't we just save a bunch of cash and let some marketing/business/comms majors intern for the program to do this job? Everyone of them could do a better job than Pete. Hell, damn near anyone that knows anything beyond how to log into social media could do a better job than Pete.

I hear that fucker doesn't even have a beard.

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shit like this really makes me mad and sad. It makes it hard for me to continue supporting VT and that hurts my heart. I'm just getting really tired of the incompetence, denial and excuses that seem to be flourishing at nearly every level of our football program. Every time something like this is tweeted a small part of me becomes less interested in following the program

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Not far removed from the #toughstays tweet from Vice after we lost Nester and Hudson to the portal. Just so petty and unnecessary.

Wow, let's trash an Alum on his way to being promoted. Demonstrated the talent to work at the NFL level and our official Twitter account taking cheap shots. Somebody put Pete Morris in the corner and take away his electronic devices.

And we wonder why former players/alumni don't feel more welcome

I'm sure they'll come runnin' now though.😣

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The staff has known for sometime. I bet this is about Colorado drills and the timing is just horrible.

I appreciate that you're giving Pete the benefit of the doubt here...but how many cringe-worthy and poorly-timed tweets will it take for us to see that it's not coincidence? That man has tweeted so many things that could have been perceived as petty shots at various people, or just ill timed silly tweets. Once or twice you give him benefit of doubt. But several? I'm starting to think there is mal intent behind those tweets, which actually just makes them that much worse.

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I personally think he should of been canned months ago. This one just lines up perfectly with Colorado drills starting yesterday.

sure, but it also happens to line up with public announcements of Tapp leaving for a better job. We're in agreement that PM should be canned though. Frankly, at this point, I think the entire football program needs to be burned down and rebuilt. Everyone needs to go. VT needs a fresh start.

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Agreed. There's a million reasons Pete is bad at his job. (EDITED, Not arguing with OP, agreeing)

The tweet about Enter Sandman hitting the Richter scale right after an earthquake struck. The obsession over a tiny number of VT alumni. The constant errors. The petty subtweets after people leave. The general poor quality of literally all the VT Football related content (seriously, look at what VTMBB does, and then compare to FB). The happy birthday's to guys who have been kicked off the team. The *constant* references to the UNC Hurricane game. The stealing of content without attribution. The typos, the misspellings, the typos and misspellings. The embarrassing way VT handled the ECU rescheduling controversy. Did I mention typos?

Everyone makes mistakes, that's fine. But VT Football's social presence is overseen by a guy who doesn't *get it* and it's extremely obvious.

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Who are you arguing with?

No one?

Was agreeing and adding emphasis.

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It's possible, but unfortunately the football social media has spent any bit of goodwill equity it might've amassed. Either it was done on purpose of they don't understand it's a bad look because of Tapp. Either outcome is bad.

I'm not disagreeing with you, more expanding on your point.

Pete being dogshit at his job is nothing new.

I'm surprised he wasn't shitcanned the day he posted that image about VT being the epicenter of football in the middle of the aftermath of a big earthquake a few years back.

The fact he's still around despite routinely embarrassing our name on social media is a shame. But at the same time should have been our warning that Justin Fuente was never going to be let go. Results don't matter in Blacksburg anymore.

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the epicenter of football in the middle of the aftermath of a big earthquake a few years back.

Unpopular opinion: The earthquake epicenter thing was a non-issue. I give zero fucks about it, and my non-VT friends agreed with me when we were discussing it at the time.

The subtweets are a huge issue. It's childish. I don't care how resentful you are that someone left the program. I don't care if every player did us just like DD did. We don't need to get the last word; it's undisciplined, not unlike our on the field product.

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It's a problem when J-Ham, Beau and even Tapp himself jumped in on the sub-tweeting...I think when Henderson announced for OSU?

This could be a petty shot, a congratulatory tribute for reaching his goals, or completely random. I would have never thought twice about it without the backlash reactions.

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Who on earth would actually spend time on making a graphic that ugly and uninspiring.

Since it's official, CONGRATULATIONS to Coach Tapp! Best of luck in SF!

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Cringey tweet but I've read it over again and again snd don't understand where people are seeing a shot at Tapp. What part am I missing as a shot; this seems on page with their normally cringey quote tweets

That's the best thing I've ever seen with Pete's name on it LMAO.

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This GRIT poster is old, I have a copy of it on the wall from about two years ago. More lazy than a shot I think

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12+ hours later with zero clarification or good wishes to Tapp. Just some likes to tweets for the fans defending it and attacking other fans.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

When Claeys left he got a tribute because he's a Fuente Guy. Tapp's a Beamer Bad Apple so he got a subtweet.

Did I miss where the 49ers or Tapp have announced his hire?

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Yes. ESPN has already run the hire story and we know how slow on news they are now.

Even when they finally posted the Tapp news it ended up being worse than Claeys lol.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.