The 800 Pound Gorilla in the room is arriving in June 2025

The SEC is now poised to become the first 16 team Super-Conference in the modern era of NCAA CFB. How should the other four "power" conferences respond to this development? Will the SEC stop at 16 teams or will they seek to grow by stealing quality teams from the most likely target, the ACC? Will the dwindling Big12 go belly-up or will they make the best of the situation and start raiding the AAC and Sun-Belt? Do the B1G, ACC and PAC-12 start trying to scoop up teams to join the march towards the new 16-team threshold? The realignment wars are back baby, and will be with us for at least four more years as we wait for the big switch to happen and watch all of the watershed maneuverings that result from this seismic shift in CFB.

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I hate where all of this is going. 1 conference having all of the talent will further ruin cfb in my opinion. We can already guess which 4-6 teams stand a chance at the CFP. I don't see what joy people get out of killing competition and stacking things up to where 1 conference or a few teams are loaded and everyone else just gets blown out or doesn't stand a chance. Maybe I am lost or missing something but I am no fan of any of this. I liked the old system and the way conferences used to be.

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It's not about enjoyment, it's about money.

it's always been about the money!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Youd think, though, that the flow of money would slow down a tad if the sport became unenjoyable enough.

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It's a pretty general statement and completely on topic. But I guess in this era of political correctness...

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Every single "ism" is flawed. Every "ism" has good traits and bad. Capitalism is both great and evil at the same time. Just like every other "ism". This is not political commentary, this is common sense.

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Here's my "five double bourbon and two beers on a Friday night" thoughts. I don't expect much agreement from the community but I don't care.

College football as we know it is dying. There will be the "NFL Prep League" and the "Playing for a free education" league. We're a middle tier program in the latter league, presently.

VT will never again have a chance at the glory we came so close to capturing during the 1999 season. At best, we might be champions of the also-rans, if a lot of things go our way.

And honestly, I don't care. Each year since I graduated I've cared less and less about the results of the football program, and find my fall Saturdays far better spent on a mountainside with my bow and no cell service.

It's getting to the point where Joe might have to make the fishing thread a TKPC article to keep me subscribed. That's hyperbole for sure, but accurately represents how I view our program, but more importantly how I think the VT powers that be view our program.

It is what it is. Support the kids, have no expectations, and enjoy the relative highs when they come.

I feel ya. I watched 95% of Hokie games from 1992-2019, but started to lose interest the past couple of years as the gulf widened between the Bamas and the Clemsons and the rest of us. The approaching changes, which will surely widen things further, is going to completely kill it for me.

Maybe I'm wrong... hoping I'm wrong... but it feels inevitable in this moment.

You said it better, and likely more sober, than I did. I didn't start watching until 2002, but 2002-2018/19 or so, I watched every game I could. I just don't care enough to go out of my way anymore.

Maybe I was watching for the wrong, or at least unrealistic, reasons all those years. But I did feel that in August of most those years, we had a chance. I don't feel that way now and I don't see how I'll feel that way anytime soon if ever.

I'm not a big sports fan to begin with, and Hokie football is the only team I ever religiously followed. I'm not fanatic enough to spend 23% of my annual Saturdays watching just so I can say "I was a part of that experience" of a 6-6 team.

I also think my love of VT in general as waned over the years, and what I once considered one of the greatest places on earth has lost a lot it's luster. Probably due to the fact that I have lived a mile from campus since 2012, and partly due to me just getting older, but it's a lot more "eh" than it used to be.

Edit to add: all of the above being said, I still love the game day atmosphere at Lane and enjoy watching from top of East or South where I can stretch my legs. Nothing beats Lane for live action. One game every year or two is a lot of fun, especially with the kids. Win or lose we have a great time.

There will be the "NFL Prep League" and the "Playing for a free education" league. We're a middle tier program in the latter league, presently.

This sparked a thought: What if a school could put together team to compete in both hypothetical leagues?

It's possible that some of the top-top tier teams like Alabama, tOSU, Ok, etc., might instead opt for a 'varsity' team that plays for cash and professional opportunities and a 'junior varsity' team that plays for a free education and the possibility of either moving up to the 'first' team, graduating and trying to get into the NFL, or graduating with their degree and moving on in life in a non-athletic way.

If that were to happen, then US colleges would more resemble European clubs. The universities could have an 'academic' track for traditional students and an 'athletic' track for high-potential athletes.

If that were to happen, then US colleges would more resemble European clubs. The universities could have an 'academic' track for traditional students and an 'athletic' track for high-potential athletes.

This already exists, it's called club sports (just with the caveat that club sport athletes get scholarships).

Each year since I graduated I've cared less and less about the results of the football program

Same here. I don't follow VT football at all in the off season. I have barely even looked at this site over the past year. I'm gonna watch the game each Saturday and hope we are successful. But a loss means almost nothing to me now. Once the TV is off, life goes right back to normal. One day we might have a fantastic season, and I'll be ecstatic, but there will be many disappointing seasons as well and that's ok as well.

Every year since about 2005 I've watched fewer games than the year before. I used to plan my Saturdays around football, swimming then gym the college game day then multiple games on my multiple tvs until like 2 am. Now I hope to catch VTs game live.

However, I watched a lot of teams without talent, lots of MAC and Cusa games. And you know what, I still enjoyed them. If VT gets left out I am not worried about watching VT football becuase I'm going to cheer for them.

I worry way more about what this is going to do to the none money making sports. How does the NCAA tourney work when one conference has 32 of the best teams?

You know, there's been nothing like watching my sons play flag football to remember that the sport is a whole lot more fun when the teams are pretty evenly matched (at any skill level) and no one's talking about national championships. Whether it's the team with the "big for their age" eight year olds, or Clemson/Alabama, there will always be teams that put winning above all else and it ain't worth getting caught up in that world if you don't enjoy it.

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Super conferences and NIL (because there is not one set of regulations for all that are enforceable) IMO are the diseases that will kill college football. It is simply about money.

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I think it's an opportunity for the Power 5 to break away to form a new league.

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ESPN has effectively killed the Golden Goose. If you aren't a blue blood in the SEC or Big Ten, at this point your days are numbered. Clemson, even with the momentum it currently has, will not be able to keep up within a few years. As a conference we bring in the 3rd highest annual total in TV revenue of all conferences. Per school we bring in slightly more than half of what the Big Ten makes and probably less than half of what the SEC will bring in after TX and OU are added. And even if we collect the best of the teams not in the B1G or SEC, there isn't anyone left who will significantly change our TV deal, even ND wouldn't bridge the gulf that exists between the B1G/SEC and their closest competition.

This is the endgame. If you aren't already in one of those two conferences, you either need to find a way to join one, or have very serious internal discussions about de-emphasizing football to focus on other sports. And even then, the difference in cold hard cash between the haves and the have nots is going to make it very, very difficult to keep up.

Look, I'm gonna be honest. My interest in college sports cratered during COVID. For the first time in forever I chose to not watch a VT game so that I could spend time with the family. I did not watch a single game last year that didn't include VT. I watched maybe 3 basketball games in total. And it's really been trending this way for a while with the sport devolving to ESPN constantly obsessing over which 4 teams should be in the playoff during the down time of literally every broadcast even regardless of who was playing. It was nauseating, and to now find out this whole shift was effectively orchestrated by ESPN?

I think I'm done and I'm probably going to check out completely. I'll still support VT but it's likely going to be at a game over game basis knowing we are irrelevant to the big picture.

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I'm with you on the reduction of sport watching as a recreation since last winter.
I have not watched a single sporting event all the way through even though my family has picked up considerably with women's VT sports.

In my case I think there's been a 3 fold reason.
The ESPN thing, I have not watched a single ESPN broadcast.

The increased use of sport to forcefeed politics

and increased workload trying to keep 2 businesses up and running, and the increased legal complexity of keeping in compliance with business since last winter. Right now, this is my entire world.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I largely don't even care about the politics, to be honest. If someone wants to use their platform to try and encourage change, so be it, and I have no problem with any backlash against players who choose to do that.

What drives me up a wall with ESPN is their constant manufactured storylines. Their constant obsession with a title race where everything always comes down to which teams are going to be in a tournament or playoff and completely marginalizing and ignoring everyone else. The constant obsession over MVP races and marginalizing everyone else. It's ruined sports. No longer can you watch and just enjoy a competition for what it is, it has to circle back to the title race.

So to hear that the main instigator for this mindset shift is now the sole catalyst for the destruction of the Big 12 just because they didn't want to pay that TV deal anymore? Yeah, I don't know if I could be more soured on collegiate revenue sports. There's just something fundamentally wrong with what just happened that really does expose just how corrupt this division of sport has become to the point where I don't know if I can support it anymore.

Put it this way, all this hand wringing that we do about our standing vs someone like UNC, in the end, it just doesn't matter. Because no matter who comes out on top the powers that be are setting the stage to make sure they are held back. And really, it's only a matter of time before someone like Clemson is held back, too. So eventually, what's the point anymore. Why pour money into a fruitless effort. When you really look into it, in the very near future will it even going to be worth the ROI anymore?

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ESPN started going downhill with the whole "Embrace Debate" movement. When First Take went from a previously enjoyable morning sports show that had in depth interviews and stories to nothing but nonstop yelling between Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless, ESPN jumped the shark for me. The quality of their programming has been on a nosedive for the past 10 plus years. They even had to get rid of a lot of their talent because of overextending themselves on their NFL and $EC deals. It's a garbage product anymore that loves contrived controversy and narratives as you mention. People like SAS and Paul Finebaum have made it entirely unwatchable.

But on the other hand, if the ACC ultimately crumbles, I'm not going to shed a tear for Tobacco Road. I've hated this conference for years. The smugness of the Carolina mob who run the league, who didn't even want VT to begin with, combined with the small potatoes good ol boy vision and management have put the league members in the situation we are in now. It's amazing to me that a guy like John Swofford could get so far professionally. The Carolina leadership of the ACC has cost its members millions over the years. If the SEC and Big Ten come in to raid the ACC, they're getting what was coming to them.

I agree with your diagnosis, but given ESPN's business model (essentially, they resell live sports broadcasts) this was best thing they could do.

What would you prefer to see instead? Everyone loves to say that they would tune in for "old sportscenter" and watch highlights and reruns all day, but the reality is that Youtube and Instagram are better at this than ESPN - you can watch ON DEMAND reruns and highlights. No one actually tunes in for highlights any more. ESPN was forced to (1) invest in the most popular sports (NFL + SEC) and (2) invest in the talent with the biggest following (Stephan A, Skip Bayless, SVP, Paul Finebaum, etc).

I'm nostalgic for the 'old' ESPN as well, but I don't think there's a place for it in the current media landscape.

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The things I've always watched espn for was Sports and documentaries. NFL Films were always good. 30 for 30 was amazing.

What ESPN really needs to do is figure out how to change all the old archaic broadcast laws so they can innovate (not that I think they would).

This is the nexus of sports we are talking about, but do I use their app for score, nope. Do I use their app to watch games, nope. Do I ignore them until college football season, pretty much.

Where are the almost instant highlights that make you watch the rest of the game? Where is the commentary that provides insight into the game instead of cheering for one of the teams playing? Where are the multiple broadcasts syncing up the video with each teams' broadcaster? Where is my all-22 view of football? Bring back page 2 while we are at it, everyone needs more Mayne Street.

ESPN is too much the mouse at this point nothing will change, most of their creative people have left. All you are going to get is bland topics that people scream over each other about. And who doesn't love screaming!

Leg for you. I think as soon as ESPN offers all of their content OTT, you'll see some of these things, but until then, they will cater to the cable (their golden goose)

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I have mostly stopped watching sports because I cut the cord. College season I get a subscription to something to watch the games but with only a couple channels over the air I am pretty content just watching whatever is free for me.

Your reduced interest matched the CFP ratings...which were awful.

I, for one, am stoked about going up to Tech for the Carolina game. Bringing my dad, first game he'll have joined me since probably 2017 or 2018. Very excited to tailgate with him and some of our idiot friends and, barring any more stupidass variants, jump, scream, and holler in a packed Lane.

Is the innocence of college football gone? Very much so, and it aint coming back. But I'm gonna make it enjoyable for as long as I can.

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I agree.

My waned excitement of years past of competing for a national championship usually plays second fiddle to just being in Bburg with 70k other Hokies just looking to party by the time I pour my 3rd Wild Turkey & Coke in the German Club yard.

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CFB is best when it is simultaneously regional and national; when teams from every region are competing to find a spot at the national level. Right now, the sport is trying to put a national focus on a fractions of the team from a fraction of the regions.

I'm not ready to give up on college sports yet, and I'm quite excited for this season of football. I'm willing to wait and see how this turns out (not that I have much of a choice), as I small piece of me wants to believe that UT/OU to the SEC could actually turn out to be good for the sport. But I am not confident, and I am very concerned that this sport will lose it's personality as the 'fat' is trimmed.

As preached on PAPN, college football is a whole hog sport. The loin and the ham are great cuts, but the cheek, the snout, the inards, etc, have a ton of flavor. If you're throwing away the whole hog just to make a profit on some porkchops and a ham, then you're doing it wrong. Unfortunately, it seems we may be going that direction because it's (supposedly) more financially viable.

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Mickey mouse is who concerns me the most coming out of this. They're trying to become what Sky is over in England and that's concerning as hell. They've bought up so many competitions and unless you're their premier league the coverage you get is genuine piles of dog shit, see ACCN.

Honestly I hate the way they are completely enveloping the sports world only for them to buy up the NHL this off-season and now I'm starting to look at the upcoming season with such a lack of enthusiasm for something I have grown to truly love with the NBC coverage of the NHL.

There is absolutely no way they are innocent in Texas and OU leaving the big 12 and I am truly worried what they will do in the future to try and influence even more change in the CFB landscape.

This is not meant to be a rant at capitalism or anything of the sorts just simply trying to express how ESPN and their watered down attempt to cover all sports under the sun but only put effort into covering to dumb ass college football playoff and the 5-6 teams they care about have had an affect on how much I enjoy following college football as a whole.

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Which is why Fox put such an emphasis on the game itself. Big Noon Kickoff is great compared to GameDay. Add to it CBS is upset over the new SEC ESPN deal. Paramount+ is already carrying sports. I wouldn't be surprised if they find their way back into the college football landscape.

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I think as college football fans, we should boycott the big money leagues, and try to support the smaller fish in the pond, namely the non-SEC P5, and G5 conferences, and FCS. I watch the NFL, so why do I need to see the NFL of college football? I know SEC teams are geographically their version of the NFL, more or less, and that's fine, but I don't need it as a college football fan. If most fans are like the ones here on TKP, and I would imagine the same sentiment from other non-SEC fans, then maybe there's a backlash effect and it ends up not being the Utopia they want to create.

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If most fans are like the ones here on TKP, and I would imagine the same sentiment from other non-SEC fans

This is something that I wonder about. How much of the money in the sport is generated by the bluebloods? How much by other top teams? By the P5 in total? By the G5?

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I will not watch a single SEC game this year

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

Is it possible to get ESPN without the SEC network? You can just illegally stream most of the games anyway (not advising it but acknowledging the opportunity exists)

Funny you bring up SKY as I'm watching the F1 race right now and their broadcast is just nauseating. They don't even bother to hide their biases toward Hamilton and they've spent more time following his run through the field than the current 40+ lap battle for 1st between Ocon and Vettel.

But yeah, this is basically what sports broadcasting has become. Determine the story before the event and never deviate.

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Texas is a cancer and destroys everything they touch. SWC, Big12, and SEC will be next. I just hope VT can survive long enough to enjoy the regional divisions/conferences that emerge in the 2030s/40s once Texas destroys the SEC from within.

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Going to be really interesting to see if Texas can destroy the SEC. I don't see anyone leaving the SEC, and there's no way that UGA/Bama/Auburn/UF/etc are going to let texas boss them around.

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It wasn't that relatively long ago that Steve Spurrier introduced the forward pass to the league and Alabama was getting drilled by VT in a bowl game. These things go in cycles, and yes Texas will be a net drain on the SEC in time, IMO.

That's not really what I'm talking about... If Texas wants to negotiate for their own tier 3 rights, or they want to have a larger vote, or change the profit sharing in some other way, these other schools aren't going to let them do that, unlike teams from the SWAC, B8, B12, etc. My guess is that Texas will eventually leave for a place that will provide them more autonomy.

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Great point. Sorry i missed that, but you are right

Except Texas stayed in the Big XII during the last realignment because:
1. Unequal revenue sharing (SEC wouldn't allow that)
2. Permitted to keep the longhorn network (SEC wouldn't allow that)

The move to the SEC must have different motivation. Thats not to say once UTex is officially in, they won't try to throw their weight around. Something about the move is bizarre though.

Dollars. bottom line. If Texas can earn 5 more dollars going to the SEC, they will. That's the only thing that prompted this move. Can't have aTm making more TV money than us.

Yea, DC is right about dollars. Basically, 1/16 of the SEC > 1/10 of B12 + LHN.

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Except UT WASN'T making 1/10 of the BXII....its UNEQUAL revenue sharing

I was under the impression the move for Texas was based on recruiting. Their argument was they could get better players by leaving the BIG 12 because the top recruits want to play in the SEC. Money is not an issue for Texas. What's going to be fun is when they become a .500 team in the SEC.

I had this conversation with a coworker that is a Florida grad, UT has out recruited A&M since A&M left for the SEC. He was floored by this.

I don't think most people realize what a behemoth Texas is because they have been shitty on the field for a decade. Texas has the most revenue by a wide margin. The 2nd on the list is now A&M with aOSU coming in 3rd. Texas is $50mil more in revenue than #5 UGA. Their revenue is more than twice VTs. The top ACC team, FSU brings in 2/3rds what Texas does.

They spend more money that everyone else too. I am not sure how the SEC will bring in higher ranked classes because I dont see why those players would go to Texas over Bama, or OSU because those are the schools they are losing recruits too. You know what would bring those recruits, winning, they should try that.

My assumption is that ESPN doesn't want to pay UT anymore for their network and put them in with the SEC to save dollars each year. They may even not want to run the network after the current contract is up or change the deal to be in their favor more so than it already is. With UT joining the SEC this would make the SEC network more profitable with more eyes to watch it. It's also a little easier to sell 1 channel over 2 for customer and carriers. Remember this is a move to benefit ESPN and Disney in the end with more profits. UT probably also is smart enough to see the gap that has formed and would rather be on the side that is going up rather than down so hop on the bus that is going up and maybe you come out on top one day but it will be more profitable along the way than where you are now.

Do they go in cycles? Or does the march of progress move endlessly forward?

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Andy Staples had an interesting article in The Athletic listing his 24 teams that were in "football programer's inner circle". Meaning, these are the 24 programs who would be an automatic Yes to any conference asking themselves if that team would be a priority target when looking to expand.

Without giving away too much of the article since it's behind a paywall, I will divulge that, surprisingly, Virginia Tech made his top 24 teams. This was purely from a "what teams best drive tv viewership" perspective and not indicative of the best teams.

I read this as well, I was surprised to see VT, Mich St, and UW made the cut. A little surprised to Iowa as well. That said, I think VT (as a culture/program) has a lot in common with the middle/upper-class of the B10.

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This isn't surprising to me based off the well documented interest that Mike Slive had in acquiring VT for many years. It's an important TV market and we apparently are still doing well in regards to viewership despite our slide. It's a plus that we also happen to have a legitimate football culture to boast.

I don't think it's surprising at all. Mich st. and especially UW and Iowa have huge followings.

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

Put me in the category of caring less and less about CFB too. The gap between haves and have nots is getting larger every year and NIL is going to ruin things. Saban's "oh no my QB has almost a million dollars in endorsements and that's just crazy" was the mother of all humble brags. How can any regular program compete if Bama comes calling for an elite QB? And they can do that every stinking year.

That is the unfortunately truth, I think the NIL and power programs are going to ruin football before Texas and Oklahoma even get a chance to move. The idea that if you go to certain programs that you are going to get massive endorsements just for being on the team is wrong.

Saban's "oh no my QB has almost a million dollars in endorsements and that's just crazy" was the mother of all humble brags.

It's especially ironic coming from a man who is paid $9M/year and hundreds of thousands more from endorsement deals.

That said, I'm genuinely curious about this sentiment, which I've heard from lots of people recently:

NIL is going to ruin things

How is the NIL change going to ruin CFB? I would argue that the money is already there, it's just funneled to players under the table or paid to those who contribute little value to the sport overall. What this will change is the distribution of the money, with more of it going to star players who actually drive attendance/viewership. IMO that's not a bad thing, because they've actually EARNED it.

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There's nothing ironic about Saban saying that. It was 100% a calculated statement for recruiting purposes. He wasn't upset that Young is making money off NIL at all. He also wasn't saying NIL was bad, but Saban has always called it like it is when the tides in college football are changing, and he has always been pretty open about making sure everyone realizes that he is going to make the changes necessary for Bama to make the changes work best for them.

Yep. the major program that innovates around NIL will benefit greatly from it. IMO- like covid proved- the better the coach non-covid, the better the coach covid. The better coaches will maximize NIL as well.

How is the NIL change going to ruin CFB? I would argue that the money is already there, it's just funneled to players under the table or paid to those who contribute little value to the sport overall. What this will change is the distribution of the money, with more of it going to star players who actually drive attendance/viewership. IMO that's not a bad thing, because they've actually EARNED it.

I agree, I think NIL will (1) settle down in the upcoming years (as businesses start to understand the ROI on an endorsement, and (2) distribute 'bag' money across the nation a little better.

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Yeah we talk about this all the time it feels like, but this is another example of an incredibly inefficient market due to lack of information at the moment. The NIL stuff will almost certainly normalize over time and we will have a better idea of what to expect in any given year, but right now we are seeing a lot of throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

I'd argue that CFB is 100% recruiting driven now. 100%. so NIL will be no difference. The schools that use it to a recruiting advantage, will reap the most benefit. Kirk Ferentz, Gary Patterson, Paul Johnson- great x and o guys- below average recruiters- they have a ceiling in modern CFB. They could sneak into a NY6 bowl maybe if things bounce right. It's all about recruiting today. Keep an eye on Shane Beamer- if he can't get some real dudes in there, he won't be there long.

I think you're right about this comment, but I think South Carolina is a "won't be there long" job for almost anyone in the country. It's often cited as a "one contract job," and understandably so. It's one of the toughest jobs in cfb imo.

Kirk Ferentz, Gary Patterson, Paul Johnson- great x and o guys- below average recruiters- they have a ceiling in modern CFB.

I'll counter - Chris Peterson was able to achieve new heights at UW (new heights for the modern era) due to his ability to coach, and he transformed that into recruiting wins. But to your point, yes, you cannot win a Natty without being above 50% on the bluechip ratio, and I see that number moving higher tbh.

Also - regarding PJ, he put zero effort into recruiting. My brother-in-law played high school ball with a bunch of guys who grew up GT fans, wanted to go to GT, were excited to play in the option, and PJ didn't even do the bare minimum - I'm talking these kids started the conversation, and PJ didn't reply to text or fucking voicemails. If PJ put any energy into recruiting, he could've had much better teams.

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PJ knew his system didn't need superior recruiting. He needed a decent defense and a good option QB. And his approach to recruiting was according to that. He didn't like much about college football in general, except the games themselves - he was ultra competitive and wanted to out-smart the DC- if he did that, he was happy. He also "got it" when it came to the bottom line. my favorite line of his was "if you lose 3 games in a row, you are not a good football team on any level". - so true, no matter what your schedule is.

The schools that use it to a recruiting advantage, will reap the most benefit

This is my takeaway from all of this. The conversation seems to be shifting from "VT's recruiting budget is X, Alabama's is Y. Clearly Alabama has a recruiting advantage" to more of "The average $$$ that a recruit can get from sponsors at VT is X, and the average $$$ that a recruit can get from sponsors at Alabama is Y. Clearly Alabama has a recruiting advantage."

This is where the Super-Duper-Fabulous SEC scares me a bit. What if the new SEC has the leverage to get all of their players a higher average sponsor payout? What if they can leverage getting player's names and numbers on official replica jerseys? What if there's a new NCAA football video game, but the SEC pays EA an absurd amount of money for "NIL Exclusivity" to include the name and likeness of only SEC players, and forcing the game to randomize the names/likeness/schools of everyone else?

That's how the NIL/Recruiting relationship goes into hyperdrive.

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What if there's a new NCAA football video game, but the SEC pays EA an absurd amount of money for "NIL Exclusivity" to include the name and likeness of only SEC players, and forcing the game to randomize the names/likeness/schools of everyone else?

Hadn't thought of that yet, now I wish I hadn't read it either. This sucks.

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

I don't know if that's how things will shake out, but we're in completely uncharted waters now and you can bet that those that can manipulate the new the system will use it to their advantage. Anything is possible.

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Why would a video game maker willingly take themselves out of every market but the SE?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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If VT joined the SEC tomorrow - would all these posts change?

I would be ecstatic. People are understandably upset though about how things are going, and how it feels like we are going to end up on the outside looking in when everything shakes out.

I don't think people here would be happy with VT as a South Carolina, Mississippi State, or Kentucky level SEC program. And there is a much higher probability that VT in the SEC would translate to that than people might want to admit

We are pretty much a South Carolina, Mississippi St, or Kentucky-caliber team, just in the ACC, no?

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These pretzels are making me thirsty.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The difference is that we'd be getting SEC money, probably double what we get from the ACC now. That would give me more hope for future improvement than our current situation. Money is no guarantee of success, but lack of money is always worse.

Plus road trips would be fun again.

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Hard pass for me. I don't want anything to do with a conference that still employs Will Wade.

I'd still cheer for VT and still hate the SEC.

I have a feeling this would change when you had the opportunity to make regular season weekend trips to Athens, GA to watch VT play in front of 90k, or Bryant Denny, or Baton Rouge, or Knoxville, etc. Or even just watching us play better teams in bigger atmospheres on TV. Beats the hell out of watching us play in a half empty Duke stadium, 45k dome, or a half empty Heinz field.

I would be selfishly sad because living in Raleigh, I get to go to a bunch of cheap Hokie football games and see them play basketball in some pretty iconic arenas. I don't get that in the SEC.

However, my comfort and unwillingness to road trip might not be a dealbreaker for Whit when it comes to moving conferences.

Get Angry, Bud!

Yeah if you're in the Triangle you're well positioned to see a lot of Hokie sports.

There are pros and cons of living in Raleigh as a VT fan

Pro: able to see Tech play close to your home all the time in every sport.

Con: You will eventually run into me

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I don't have this opportunity when we go to Charlottesville or Raleigh, why would I suddenly gain it to go farther away. I cheer for the Hokies when we play Liberty or when we play Duke or when we play Alabama. I did the same when we were in the Big East. I didn't gain any great love for the ACC when we joined.

edit: I can make a game a year, sometimes two. And having them in Norfolk or Raleigh makes it a single day event with no plane tickets or hotels.

Beats the hell out of watching us play in a half empty Duke stadium, 45k dome, or a half empty Heinz field.

never been to a game in the dome- but for Duke, it's more like well over half Hokies (Lane South-closer to Richmond than Blacksburg) and at Pitt think half empty is WAY too generous .(when I went to the game there in 2016 there were MAYBE 15,000 fans there total! ) I loved going to the Purdue game (caught a Friday lunchtime Cubs game that trip), the Shoe (best road win I've ever seen) and South Bend(2nd best road win even though they were down that year). And of course the largest crowd ever for college football in Bristol (despite the outcome)

I WAS looking forward to the Big House (f#$% Michigan for canceling this series) and maybe we will finally make it to Camp Randall before I die (25-30 years after originally scheduled) and am looking forward to (currently scheduled anyway-who knows after all this crap) road trips to Bama and the Grove and Nashville and Arizona and BYU. but I agree I love to watch and root in person for the Hokies ANYWHERE and no matter who we play
(yes I was at the stadiums for both the ODU debacle and the barnburner at Wake a ways back)

Can't wait for the season to start! Go Hokies!

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I love making Pitt eat shit, but that team deserves better support. More often than not they over achieve.

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I for one would be disappointed. I don't see VT suddenly jumping to the top of the pile which means we'd end up one of the whipping boys. It would further require that the institutional spending increase to keep pace with the other schools in the conference.

I've been staying out of the loop on this whole clusterfuck on purpose as it's taken place. I'm not happy with what's happened thus far and see it being bad for CFB as a whole.

My preference would be that the FBS just says fuck it and let's these teams go out and create their own CFB super league of 18-24 blue bloods and whomever they seem worthy. Whether it does well or not makes no difference to me, but I would be adamantly against VT joining it.

The remaining 100 or so schools would reorganize conferences as necessary and institute caps on certain things, i.e. coaching salaries, facility/capital expenditures, etc. in an attempt to limit the monetization of athletics and bring it back to the point where schools aren't going into debt to be competitive. I would be against teams from this league playing teams in the super league. They wanna do them, fine, fuck em, go have your mini-NFL.

My hope is that this would put the highlight of CFB back on football and not the dog and pony show that's currently the norm.

I won't say you are right, but you are right.

How long before private teams are formed? No NCAA and NIL kind of show the potential of a group like IMG starting a team, I'm sure other private teams would follow. The school stuff kind of just gets in the way at this point doesn't it? If you drop the education pretense, these are just junior NFL teams.

FTFW:

these are just legal junior NFL teams

EDIT: supposed to be a reply to jaHokie