OT: LOKI Note, Spoilers Ahead

The next nerd Chapter Began today. I found today's episode really enjoyable but I may be biased as Loki has definitely been one of my favorite characters so far in the MCU. Has he been a Villain? Yes. Has he been a Hero? Yes. What will his final role be? Hopefully Mischievous. I see lots of potential with this series which would be great after the disappointment of the last two Disney+ Marvel Shows, here's to hoping I am correct.

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First thoughts: I love the aesthetic of the show. I'm a sucker for future-retro and have been since Fallout 1. The animated explanation of things was cute. Time gags are fun (assuming they don't get beaten to death).

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I thought his introspection after seeing the results of his life felt a little quick and unearned. I don't mind him getting there, but it was too fast. The drawer full of infinity stones was a nice move to shift his perspective though, but i felt he needed a bit more than that. Or maybe he's still conning them all.

Also, why is everyone in the TVA human? I assume they could be like many of the other aliens in the MCU and be non-human humans like asgardians and some of the others we've encountered, but it would have been nice to see more than just the token skrull we saw.

Speaking of the TVA, how stupid are the teams? We've lost a bunch of teams to some threat, lets nonchalantly go about our work. Please take your time standing in this field of oil.

Nice ending on the reveal though. Makes me want the next episode so I can know what is going on.

Also, why is everyone in the TVA human?

The TVA (or at least that facility) specifically is centered on Earth, for whatever reason. They use Earth in their logo.

There's a lot of Mephisto-style speculation that it's all a ruse designed to get Loki to do what Kang needs in order to start a multiverse war.

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or at least that facility

This seems plausible to me. It would also explain the token skrull.

I thought his introspection after seeing the results of his life felt a little quick and unearned.

This has been a common issue for me in the D+ series thus far. Such as white Vision's learning from Hex Vision. Such as Karli Morgenthau's development into a reckless villian. Such as Sam's poetic justice speech after becoming Captain America.

Overall, I get that the story does need to move along so I forgive them for rushing some of these character development arcs. But, it does bother me too.

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I buy it more easily in the Vision-Vision instance since he is non-biological. But for the others, I think they could more easily insert extra time into the scene without fundamentally changing much. Why does this episode have to happen in a few hours of show-time instead of a few days?

Put in some shots of time passing, of him remembering, pacing in thought, watching the video over and over, etc. and it feels much more long term without really doing much to the run-time.

All in all though, its a pretty minor complaint. They won me over with Wandavision and F&WS didn't hurt me so I'm willing to give them a little slack.

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I'll follow along here and watch but I'm usually behind and certainly can't watch as it drops at 12:01 on Wednesday morning.

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I enjoyed it.

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Hiddleston really nails the Loki role. He makes the story fun to watch, whatever the direction it takes.

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That was a really good premiere. This looks to be a pretty fun series.

LOL at the Josta soda cans

I caught that as well, and instantly recognized that can. Really have to wonder how that's going to be explained - e.g., they have to keep going back to '96 (I think) to stop a time deviation and they just pick up a case to go.

The TVA really reminded me of the Commission in Umbrella Academy, I mean a *lot*.

Yep! Also some relation to dr who time lords, but not as direct

Danny is always open

The criminal with the blue box?

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I am disappointed. Don't let me down D+!

I like it I just don't understand it.

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Any part specifically?

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

How this ties into the multiverse part of the other movies for example. If these guys stop timeline changes how did Captain America do the whole timeline thing? Or the stones timeline events etc.

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They're ok so with certain time travel "if its suppose to happen". They aren't ok with anything that supposedly deviates from what their sacred timeline has mapped out. So in this case, the Avengers going back in time was suppose to happen. Loki using the opportunity to escape was not, thus he's a variant that needs to be dealt with. Like with most all media dealing with time travel, its best not to think too deeply about this stuff because it doesn't take much for contradictions and collapses.

Kid in the church said the devil did it so MephistoWatch2021 is back on right?

Most intentionally on there part it is lol

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So I had not seen the trailers for this so I was coming in blind. We get to the plane scene and I blurt out "Loki was DB Cooper!" in pure elation of how much I loved that. My wife stared out me oddly. Then they explain he was DB Cooper and my wife gives me another stare. But it was such a brilliant throw away.

Yea, I really enjoyed that little tidbit.

And just like that the series goes downhill. Was fun while it lasted

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What didn't you like? I thought the second episode was excellent.

Edit: with the exception of the song choice for the fight scene. It might be just because i've seen it in two trailers in as many weeks, but it really felt like a misuse of the song in this context.

but it really felt like a misuse of the song in this context

I understood it as what's playing over the loudspeaker as part of the low-budget renaissance faire prerecorded audio. Was the cheesiest thing I can imagine for that scene, but it made sense in that context.

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Loki whining and begging for his life like a baby, a chick villain to make sure we have more wokeness. Just tell a good story, no need for superfluous narratives to appease every single minority which seems to be theme for all the marvel shows thus far (except Modok which was just hilarious since it is robot chicken marvel).

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
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a chick villain ... no need for superfluous narratives to appease every single minority

Agatha Harkness is from F4 in the 70's and long associated with Scarlet Witch (making her a villain was the twist, not having her in general).

Sam as Captain America is from the comics in 2014.

Lady Loki is part of the same comics storyline that Love & Thunder is heading into. It's from 2008.

Seriously, I can understand the whole "don't just introduce characters to fit a profile" angle, but it's not like Marvel is just making up new characters for these shows or changing race/gender arbitrarily. It's cool that you don't like the shows, that's fine. Not every comic storyline is for everyone.

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Based on your level outrage at wokeness, social issues, and boundary pushing, I've got a tip for you on how to avoid that stuff. Don't read any comic book since, say, ever.

Wait till he finds out about Captain America.

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Are you suggesting that the show about a utopian society that featured the first interracial kiss on TV was "woke"?

Benefits of generations growing up in a world where interracial relationships are just normal.

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ST is very woke is most areas with a few huge oversights in others, mainly with how depictions of alien races hit a little too close to cultural and racial stereotypes of the 80s and 90s beginning with TNG.

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And X-Men when they join the MCU...

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Or better yet wait until he looks up the actual Norse/Danes (Viking is a verb not noun) Sagas about the gods, apparently that'll be woke culture for him.

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

I loved the outrage from snowflakes when it was explicitly stated that Marvel Loki was pansexual.

The Norse God version literally fucked a horse for the express purpose of getting pregnant and giving Odin a baby horse, among many other examples of him fucking whatever was in line of sight.

Don't forget that Thor wore drag to get Mjolnir back, Valkyries are part of Freya's crew to bring souls to Valhala (not Odin's) and she had first dibs on those souls, above example. Also Loki wasn't feared in the Sagas, really no god was feared but respected, he was laughed at because God of Mischief.

A lot of the stuff that people get wrong about the Sagas and the Gods were because of the Nazis who were fucking Abrahamic fucktards trying to put their shitty spin into the stuff.

So people that get all butthurt and try to say "That's not Vikings" can fuck off because they know nothing of my ancestors, first proof of someone being wrong is just saying Vikings instead of Norse/Dane/Swede/Vikingyr because those are the actual nouns while Viking is a verb for "to adventure".

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

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Will def say this one has my attention so much more than the other two. This is my kind of wacky fun.

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New Loki day!

I was unable to resist and watched the first two episodes on Sunday. Definitely enjoyed them both and looking forward to the rest. Interesting to see at the end of E2 where you can see Loki fighting with himself over whether to stay or jump and he just can't help himself and has to revert back to his basic self.

Episode 3 was very underwhelming IMO compared to first two... Still really like this series overall and definitely want to see how it ends.

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I'm hoping it turns into a "it was all an enchantment on you", "no, it was all an enchantment on you!" -thing, otherwise the episode seemed to be a bit a a sequence that didn't really go anywhere.

edit: well, it wasn't that

yeah at the very least all of that episode after she tried the mind thing on Loki played out in his head. Now, whether or not he's aware of this and pulling an end around on her I guess we'll find out, but they spent far too much time focusing on how she makes that work for it not to be this case playing out.

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well, it wasn't that

This is Disney. Princes and Princesses fall in love all the time.

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I'm more annoyed that they "bomb the timeline" and then don't even talk about it this episode. That's why I'm interested in. Although I get the feeling that's not going to turn out to be much.

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Yeah, the immediate explanation of "it's just a distraction" was kind of a letdown. Hopefully it's not just a red herring and actually has some impact beyond the show. Especially after they pulled so many red herrings in WV.

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Not where I expected the episode to go based on the end of the previous episode, but I thought it was enjoyable in any case.

I'm looking forward to more variants.

Warning: there is a mid-credit scene for episode 4

And a very interesting one at that.

It's not very often I finish an episode of any show and just exclaim "what the f..."

I think I said it about 4 or 5 times tonight.

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I really liked this episode. So much seemed to happen and that crazy reveal at the end put it over the edge. Loki is definitely my favorite Marvel show thus far.

So those were fun plot twists. Who's really running the TVA and what really happens to pruned variants? Is Loki somehow different from other pruned variants? Will we see Mobius again? Delicious uncertainties have been introduced.

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What was the massive nexus event just before they were rescued? Yea, agree, very interesting episode that left me wanting for more. Much much better than the previous episode.

I think they explained the nexus event if I'm not mistaken. Loki and Sylvie were getting close, a little too close. The crazy tangent on the timeline was cause by what could happen of Loki fell for the female version of himself. Fairly mind boggling storyline.

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Basically this. I assume they'll explain it further that even though they were about to be annihilated, there's some reason that the sacred timeline can't allow it to happen.

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Who else would an admitted male narcissist be attracted to but a female version of himself? Seems pretty logical if not for the creepy factor. We are talking about Asgardians though, so human rules don't likely apply.

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I would make a fantastic woman that all the guys would want to get with, so I could see myself with myself.

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Just because its 2021 doesn't mean I know how to clone myself ... does it?

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What in the hell is that

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so human rules don't likely apply

What are the human rules for beings from other dimensions mating with themselves?

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I imagine a scene like the transporter accident in Star Trek: The Motion Picture should they try it

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Is this Disney's way of telling kids not to play with themselves? /s

Is anyone else waiting for the big reveal to be the TVA is actually the Rick and Morty Time Police?

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As a guy from SWVA it's the Tennessee Valley Authority.

It was FDR the whole time!

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Well, momma got sick and daddy got down
The county got the farm and they moved to town
Papa got a job with the TVA
He bought a washing machine and then a Chevrolet

I just watched the end credit scene again and only now noticed the Crocodile Loki lol

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You mean the Lokidile? I got definite Spider Ham vibes from "Into the Spiderverse" from that.

They've been setting up or at least referencing Young Avengers for a while now. The shows have really accelerated that. End Game teased three of them, WandaVision added two, F&WS added one, Loki seems set to add two, and then the already confirmed ones and potential ones (e.g. Miles Morales was very quickly name dropped in Homecoming and could easily show up in No Way Home).

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Oh yeah, they are moving right along with Young Avengers. I don't think they have officially announced it but they have done everything just short of that. A Young Avengers would be less expensive in regards to paying the actors and the older Avengers are mostly moving on (except Thor and Hulk). They have to have something to replace them.

Episode 5 was one of my favorite marvel things ever.

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Alligator Loki = best Loki

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also, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal

Seeing all the many Lokis was a damn delight.

Also, Kid Loki was drinking Hi-C Ectocooler. I've now got a new favorite Marvel character

Naturally. It's green.

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Just read today that Marvel is no longer offering long term multi movie contracts to their actors for superhero roles. Which, now that the multiverse is a thing, makes total sense that anyone can be replaced immediately with a character from another universe and still play the same part.

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Source?

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Kevin Feige this morning, actually

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Cool, thanks!

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I wish that episode had been double length so we could have learned more about all the different Lokis! That was such a fun idea

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Episode 5 ending was great.

I really need some gifs of the Lokigator, especially the lunge attack!

Episode 5...whoa, that was awesome. I feel like this series has done an amazing job of peeling back the different layers of Loki and getting to the bottom of his persona.

My only gripe thus far about the Marvel TV series is that they're a little slow to get going, but by E4 of 6 they're usually running at full speed and makes for great TV.

Classic Loki seems like such a sad story. He pretty much disappeared from the timeline after faking his death with Thanos which I believe is how TVA didn't find him until he wanted to re enter life to see Thor. With how slowly they age, he must've been on his own for thousands of years and he still was able to create a perfect copy of Asgard from memory.

Wow...that last sentence really makes you stop and think

I loved how he went out too. I was upset about it at first, but he found his "glorious purpose" right at the end and was elated about it. Damn writers making me feel feelings...

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My wife will not allow me to get a pet alligator and name it loki

Well, she sounds like she's fun at parties..... πŸ‘€ Haha

How about a pet Loki named "Alligator"?

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more of the reason to start dating yourself.

Lol, sorry. Just going through all the comments now and yours keep making me laugh.

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I really liked the ending here. So many things that they can do from here, and it put us back in a "post-Inifinity War" world where speculation and theorycrafting can run rampant.

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I liked it. Plus, my copy of Avengers 267 just went up $20 more than I paid for it per Ebay.

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The finale was pretty effing sweet. While its been hinting at where its going pretty heavily and I definitely figured out that's where they were going when I read last week there was gonna be a season 2 (due out a few months before the next Ant-man), it was still a damn delight to see Kang actually show up. Best of the Marvel shows so far for me.

I really liked the series. I thought the finale was great and thought provoking, it definitely twisted my mind into a pretzel haha.

Lots of parallels between the finale and the story of Adam and Eve, notably that when granted free will, the female Loki makes a decision that ends up dooming the future of humanity lol

Also, any theories for where Ravonna went after jumping through the portal?

Kang looks like a fun character to play. You can tell Jonathan Majors had some enjoyment out of those scenes in the show, and I'm looking forward to where he takes that character(s) going forward.

I just hope that Marvel is able to keep a good focus on the overall story, because that last episode has the potential to set them up for a convoluted mess going forward. They've done well enough so far in the MCU on keeping it grounded, so I have faith they'll make it work, but man.... I just hope they don't spend all the time trying to reverse deaths and bad past decisions for fan service.

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I just hope they don't spend all the time trying to reverse deaths and bad past decisions for fan service.

Well, it's not going to be easy to reverse Black Panther's death. :(

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No, they'll just bring in the T'challa from the digital universe and use the same technology that gave us Leia in The Rise of Skywalker

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Doubtful on that beyond pulling a Paul Walker to give him a canonical death. I'm definitely in the Iron Warpanther pool as far as theorycrafting goes.

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Oh so he'll always be babysitting, which is why he won't be able to sit down for family dinner?

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No uncanny valley CGI! It's so creepy 😬

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Marvel said that they would not recast T'Challa but now I am wondering if they meant they are not going to recast that timeline's T'Challa. They could bring in another universe's T'Challa for later movies. Kevin Feige said recently that they will no longer be doing long, multi-movie contracts with their actors and I expect "the multiverse" is why. They can just go get a new actor or actress and say "Oh, this is so-and-so from universe 12345 and is our new character."

Fwiw, I don't think they said they would never recast T'Challa, just that they wouldn't be recasting T'Challa for the upcoming Black Panther movie. They sorta left it open ended if the character would appear at any time in the future

The quote I've seen most often is this one, in the context of just the next movie (as you mentioned):

We're not going to have a CG Chadwick and we're not recasting T'Challa.

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i have the same concern about the multiverse stories getting out of control. The Arrowverse shows on the CW went that route and it got dumb fast IMO. I have a ton of faith in Marvel so if anybody can do it the right way it's them.

I am glad we are getting way more powerful villains like Kang. The fact he runs an organization that uses infinity stones as paper weights shows how much more powerful he is. As we start having heroes like Scarlett Witch (who unlocked more power) and Ms. Marvel webl can get villains that aren't just pushover. Thor was a tactical mistake of about 1 foot to ending Thanos before the snap. And that doesn't count the externals which should have been able to stop thanos too.

It will be interesting to see what the more human avengers (Clint, Falcon) will add to the future situations. But I'm ready for this ride to get all kinds of weird.

That was fun. Definitely my favorite D+ series thus far, and I liked WV quite a bit.

This really sets up the MCU to be modular, and not stuck with only one timeline. Plus, Kang the Conqueror will be a fun villain. He literally can be thousands of different characters.

I'm OK with rebirths, time travel, portals and such because Marvel really puts in the effort to make it a plausible story (at least in comic-book land).

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Watched that final episode again tonight for the second time. I was puzzling over what is the significance of the gold "cracks" throughout the castle walls, floors, and everything in it? Was it all previously broken into bits and then glued together with some sort of gold-colored glue? Forgive me because I haven't read any comic books since Sad Sack in the 1970s. It just seems too deliberate not to have a reason for being.

Or maybe the dude was just a big Smokey and the Bandit black and gold Trans Am fan....

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Sif.

Thanks, yes, Sif is what I meant. Thanks for the correction.

significance of the gold "cracks" throughout

to me it was reminiscent of Kintsugi, the Japanese art of repairing broken pottery with precious metals. It is the idea that embracing flaws and imperfections can create even more beauty and strength

This exactly. I think it was meant to symbolize how Kang merged the multiverse into the "sacred timeline" and the cracks show how the "sacred timeline" was an amalgam of what came before.

Just finished the series last night. That was terribly enjoyable. Wandavision was pretty good, FaWS was ok. This was very well done. Don't quite understand the whole mean cloud being enchanted allowed them to jump straight to Kang's hangout, but whatever, still cool.

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