Tyrod to the Texans

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Smart move, no state taxes and likely will be starting with all the Watson shenanigans going on right now...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

NFL players pay the taxes of where the game is played. This year he will pay taxes of: Indiana, New York, Arizona, California at least.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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As do all athletes, but half your games in texas is much better than half in california

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

While true on some levels there are a lot of things to love about LA and California thag Texas especially Houston don't have.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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lot of things to love about LA and California thag Texas especially Houston don't have.

true

As someone who grew up there and who now only goes back for weddings and funerals I will say there are many reason why TX is better than CA but unfortunately those discussions violate CG...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

As long as you don't own property in Texas. My in laws live in Houston. Yeah no state tax, but they get destroyed on property taxes. They pay 5-6x what I do in Scottsdale, and my house is worth more.

Always remember, every state constitution requires a balanced budget. They get their money from somewhere. People pile on California, but they aren't the 5th biggest economy in the world on accident.

Amen...I live in Tucson and our property market is beyond en fuego right now (I'm guessing it's similar up in your neck of the desert). I've never seen so many Texas, California and Colorado license plates as right now. A friend of mine bid $200k over asking on a house and got the silver medal-unreal.

We have a family friend who's in the Army and is PCSing from West Point to Austin. They can't find shit that meets their needs and is in budget as the market has exploded and houses are being snapped up before they can even get on the market.

Houses here in Austin are literally going for $150k over asking on first day of listing, it's insane. I get 5-10 messages a week from realtors and investors asking if they can pay me the Zestimate in cash without even touring. I'd sell and pocket the money but there's no houses to even upgrade to. When all the Californians come they see our Austin high-end as half-priced Cali.

I can confirm, I own a home in Dallas.

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Could not agree more here. I've lived (and worked) in MI, VA, CA the income tax difference has not made any difference in my opinion (cost of living is the real kicker). But as a homeowner in Southern California my property taxes are less or equal to my folks back in MI.

I'm still figuring this out.

New York State enters the taxes conversation and says hold my beer....

When the property taxes on your home are double the State and Local taxes federal income tax deduction limit, and that's before state income taxes, it gets a little frustrating.

Gotta look at the whole picture though...

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494

Overall Rank (1=Highest)Β  State Total Tax Burden Property Tax Burden Individual Income Tax Burden Total Sales & Excise Tax Burden
(%)Β  (%)Β  (%)Β  (%)Β 
1 New York 12.79% 4.40% 4.96% 3.43%
(6) (1) (22)
2 Hawaii 12.19% 2.45% 3.09% 6.65%
(35) (10) (1)
3 Vermont 10.75% 5.04% 2.41% 3.30%
(2) (22) (26)
4 Maine 10.50% 4.60% 2.45% 3.45%
(4) (21) (20)
5 Connecticut 10.44% 4.06% 3.56% 2.82%
(7) (6) (39)
6 Minnesota 9.99% 2.86% 3.68% 3.45%
(23) (5) (20)
7 New Jersey 9.98% 4.94% 2.47% 2.57%
(3) (20) (43)

Pleasantly surprised at VA's rank on this list:

37
Virginia
7.86% Total Tax Burden
2.93% (22) Property Tax Burden
2.87% (11) Individual Income Tax Burden
2.06% (44) Total Sales & Excise Tax Burden

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Property taxes are different by county. How does that factor?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

He looks phenomenal. I hope he gets a fair shake in Houston.

I need to get back into the gym. Damn.

He literally looks like he's casting for a superhero movie.

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I mean, I know they aren't recasting, but TT could play the role of the Black Panther SUIT

Love that he's got the cornrows back, loved that look he rocked in high school and early VT days

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

As a Jets fan, I feel like this blows the 'Watson trade to Jets' door wide open.

As a Panthers fan, I feel like this blows the Watson trade to the Panthers door wide open.

Yeah I think there's maybe 3 contenders left? Carolina, NY, and Miami

Well these didn't age well

"Jeans Friday" may make a comeback after all!

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Wouldnt be the only recent Jets QB with masseuse allegations (favre)

I would love to see him play and get a fair shot and have some longevity.

But damn this dude has built a solid career without being the long term head man somewhere. $12.5 m for a year is awesome.

Previously LowBrau.

Being a backup NFL QB is a solid career path. Good money, minimal injury risk, hardly any media criticism.

Happy for Tyrod. Dude is my favorite Hokie of all time, and while I would love to have seen him get a fair shake as a starter, he has made a lot of money and vested a nice pension.

Alex Moran's lifelong dream achieved!

TT was awesome to watch at VT and I've always hoped that he would have a chance to prove himself.

This was a good decision by the Texans. If Watson caves, they have a great backup. If Watson doesn't cave they have a good starter whose salary is paid for by Watson's fines.

I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up a developmental QB as well. Tyrod has now mentored at least 3 QB's.

I look at this and this to me says the Texans just gained a lot more leverage in the negotiations. The new contract that Dak got will still have a big factor on what Watson gets, but if Watson does re-sign with Houston I would have to think it will at best be an equivalent deal. The worst case for Houston now is they are not able to re-sign and they are forced to draft a QB to be 2nd in line behind Taylor.

The Texans have ALL the leverage. They hold the rights to Watson for another 7 years. He already signed a contract. He was upset they didn't hire the GM of his choice and announced wanting a trade after the new GM was hired.

well yeah, there's that too. I'm still missing out on the connection as to why Watson (or any player) thinks he has a voice in who the new GM/Coach/etc is to be hired.

You obviously don't pay much attention to the younger generations, they think they have the right to determine the outcome of everything, earned or not earned...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

Yes, how dare the best player the Texans have and the only thing between them and possibly winning no games last season think he should have some input on how the team is constructed/run? He's also the most marketable member of the team with Watt gone now.

Its weird, you never hear anyone complain when guys like Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady exert their influence on player signings or coaching decisions. I wonder what the difference is? Just age I suppose...

Both those guys won Super Bowls and were at their respective franchises for over 10 years (Buccaneers excepted), they are surefire hall of famers. Watson probably will be but he needs to put more time in before he gets that kind of leverage over the team. Just my opinion, though.

My understanding is the owners did interview Watson's choice. So your comparison is a bit off. But then they decided and went a different way and he has pitched a hissy fit.

Yea, because this is somehow a trait that is only present in millennials or younger generations.

I think this has been true of star players since at least the past 50 years, they think that because they're such a great player they know everything about the game including how to hire coaches & management

probably because the owner told him that was the case

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I mean, it's not unusual in the corporate world for subordinates to interview a future boss. Obviously they won't be the only or primary decision maker, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask their opinion.

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Hasn't Watson all but said he won't play for Houston next year? If that happens, get ready! Houston will draft a QB in the first round, say it's Tyrod's job, then have the rookie breathing down his neck after his first INT thrown!

Seriously though, great news for Ty, hope he gets a shot and has some staying power in Houston.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Correct on Watson saying he won't play. Managements response so far has been, you are our QB, we aren't going to cave to your demand for a trade. And realistically, they hold the cards with between Watson's current contract and franchising, I think they have him locked up to 2028.

And he gets to pocket $6-7M or so after taxes, and pass along advice to the young guy, all while holding a clip board.

If you're 5'10 and up, and can somewhat throw a football, you can hold any clipboard in the league for $400k a year, why not?

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BSME 2009

Get that bag Ty.

There is a LAX goal in the background. Where's he working out? Random high school. I can't tell...

Watson may not have a choice as to whether he plays or not, pending any investigation...

allegations

In her lawsuit, the woman -- who says she's a licensed massage therapist who works out of her home -- claims she was first contacted by Watson on Instagram in March 2020 seeking a massage.

From the moment he arrived at her home, the woman claims Watson made it clear he was looking for a sexual encounter ... and when the time came for his massage, he stripped naked on the massage table with only a small towel covering his groin.

The woman claims Watson had brought the small towel himself.

During the massage, the woman claims Watson kept directing her toward his genitals -- and said he wanted the focus of the massage to be on his "groin area."

At one point, the woman claims a fully-erect Watson exposed his penis and "purposely touched [Jane Doe's] hand with the tip."

The woman claims she was "shocked and mortified" and promptly ended the massage and began to cry.
That's when she claims Watson made a veiled threat -- "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine."

The woman claims Watson apologized via text message but she didn't respond.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

He already issued a reply. No dog in this fight, but I am curious to see how plays out.

VB born, class of '14

Yep, if he contacted her via IG, then texted to apologize...she ought to be able to provide some backup to her claims pretty easily

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Yeah. Pics (of the texts and IG, but definitely the texts) or it didn't happen.

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New Sigline: lol it's football season.

If there isn't proof, then a woman wasn't sexually assaulted? I hope you're just referring to the fact that a case is hard to make without proof.

I think he is. But unfortunately in today's day and age, these players really need to set up a tape/video recorder whenever they are alone with somebody. It would be able to prove/disprove anything.

As for a massage therapist that brings people she doesn't know to her house, I would almost want a security system for self protection as well.

That is how I took it. Especially if the claim is he texted an apology but cant be proven. I think that could be retrieved even if erased on the phone. If that part of the story turns out false and all that is left is he said/she said, I think the case will be dropped.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

The way I phrased that is crass. There are two people who know what happened during that interaction. The rest of us will never know.

If she can't produce the text(s), I think this lawsuit is dead on arrival.

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My entire attitude could not have aged any more poorly.

Sounds like Tyrod may have backed into another shot at starting, I hope it sticks this time.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

I love Tyrod, he's one of, if not my all time favorite Hokie football player. However, I'm not sold on him being anything other than a journeyman (think a Ryan Fitzpatrick) at this point. Which is okay... as others pointed out he's got a nice chunk of change to hold onto presuming he manages it wisely.

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Well that escalated quickly

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Thats what I was beginning to think when the # was still at 2. I would assume there is some morality clause in his contract, that even if proven that he didn't commit a crime, would still be triggered if any of these allegations are remotely true... Although this sound similar to the Robert Craft issue from a couple years ago and he's still around.

So...Watson to the Patriots?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

But if they can him, he gets to go wherever he wants and that is what Watson wants.

because now they (Texans) have a public reason to get rid of him. I'm not going to take away the focus of the issue which is that a number of women are coming forward with some strong allegations of potential criminal activity, but this presents a scenario where Houston could dump Watson without any financial penalty (they may even have recourse to recoup) and not offend their fanbase. I also dont think that Watson intended to be on sexual assault charges while looking for a new team either. Yes he gets out of being in Houston, but I would like to think he's going to struggle finding a new home this season.

I think the bigger question is how long is the front office of the NFL going to suspend him.

If these allegations are true (latest one is forced oral sex), we may be witnessing the end of Deshaun Watson in the NFL period.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

There are a couple of red flags going up for me now that that more lawsuits regarding the alleged incidents are coming out.

First, they are all being filed by the same lawyer, even though 2 of the women are from different cities (one was flown in from Atlanta to give a massage). Said lawyer has also implied he has more victims (read lawsuits) waiting in the wings.

Second, this lawyer is trying this case in the court of public opinion by using Instagram to publicize them prior to Watson even being notified of the suits against him (based on Watson's response that he heard about the first suit via social media.)

Where there is smoke there is usually fire, but in this case I am not sure what is burning. I hope the truth comes out so that justice is appropriately served (whether that be the punishment against Watson if he did something wrong or his name being cleared if he did not.)

I am always for the truth. If he actually paid for a massage person to fly in for a massage there would be records.

The woman actually says that in the linked story in the OP.

Why do I get a Homelander from The Boys vibe anytime allegations like these arise?

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Wait Watson is dating a crazy nazi now? Kidding aside up 12 accusations with possibly 10 more coming. This is either the craziest lawyer smear job ever or Watson is an absolute monster

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

The lawsuits continue to pile up against Watson. This latest one makes me feel ill reading, so definite trigger warnings for this excerpt. Link to reddit post with the excerpt.

If true, Watson is a truly vile human being.

VILE doesn't even approach what he is if all of that is true.

I make no assumptions. The fact that the Lawyer tried to get a settlement first and at least 18 women have supported Watson are forcing me to keep an open mind.

Have we learned nothing from the past few years? With the power that Watson had over these women, I think we need to hear them out until proven otherwise. Yes, in the US people are presumed innocent until proven guilty, but at some point we need to stand up for women who are generally powerless in these situations.

I think we can do both. Standing up for women means taking the claims seriously and investigating properly. We can do that while simultaneously holding the accused innocent until proven guilty.

These women have brought serious charges, which are important to fully and respectfully investigate. Watson maintains innocence, which we are to respect until the investigation runs its course. It's not an either/or thing.

Get Angry, Bud!

Exactly!

This is likely going to be controversial because most of TKP is made up of guys, but I think it needs to be said. It is very easy to say the above when you haven't been sexually assaulted (I'm assuming). Some of us on the board have. Stats say everyone on this site knows someone who has been (probably close to you). Am I biased? Sure. But it's really hard that society always assumes the guy is innocent and we are only now kind of starting to believe women.

My niece unfortunately and the Police at George Washington wouldn't even take the complaint because when they interviewed the guy he said it was consensual despite her bruises.

WTF. I'm so sorry for her. Hopefully she gets the help she needs.

6 of my close female friends at VT had very similar situations. The university encouraged them not to report.

Let's not have this conversation here. Let us hope the system, which has huge flaws, will result in justice in this case.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I don't think I've crossed any CGs, but yes, let's end it to avoid making any males uncomfortable.

On the flip side, not talking about these things is why women have been sexually assaulted for most of time with little consequences for men.

I don't think the intent was the prevent males from being uncomfortable as opposed to saying "this conversation has the potential to go incredibly off the rails".

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If we don't talk about things, nothing will get fixed. Just because a conversation is hard, that does not mean we shouldn't have it. I understand that this website is dedicated to sports, but how many players, coaches, colleges, etc., have covered up or committed these disgusting things? Too many for me to count, so this is certainly sports related and something that everyone should be talking about.

Also, we have talked at length about Sandusky. I don't know how this is any different.

I'm with you mecca, I think we should have the conversation for sure. I think the biggest issue that I have with any of the comments that I've read thus far (not singling you out btw), is this assumption that the guys in the room have stated that Watson is innocent until proven guilty, simply because of his gender.

society always assumes the guy is innocent and we are only now kind of starting to believe women.

I can only speak for myself, and I can say the situation looks terrible! It appears that there is a strong chance that he's a repeat offender as well; however, the only reason that I say "he's innocent until proven guilty," is solely based on the reality that it's a core tenet of our justice system. Saying that he's innocent until proven guilty isn't a tactic to silence the victim. I'm hopeful the victims have the drive, support, and mental fortitude to take this all the way to court, they deserve that justice. Watson deserves the same justice though, lady justice is blinded for a reason. Our justice system has it's pitfalls, that's surely a topic for a different forum, on a different day; however, I'm hopeful that you can see that the guys and gals on this board support the ideals of justice. And yet again I can only speak for myself, I hope that justice is served, irrespective of what gender the outcome affects.

Like you said, we all know sexual assault victims, we all want justice for them. The best way to support those victims is not to condemn individuals in the court of public opinion, but rather to support the victims, empower their voices through support and reassurances that they are not any less valuable because someone else did something terrible to them. I want all voices of victims to be heard, but most importantly I want justice for those who've been harmed.

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First, I want to apologize if I caused you any distress, that wasn't my intention at all. Second, I definitely agree that society at large has done an awful job of supporting and allying with sexual assault survivors. There has been some recent improvement, and hopefully it continues to improve as we go forward.

I suppose I was attempting to present an "ideal" response where the stories of sexual assault victims are held in high regard, treated seriously and investigated thoroughly, while also holding true that an accused person is presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

I hope this is the final outcome of our collective journey in this topic, but I do agree 100% that the experiences of the reporting parties have been vastly undervalued culturally, and this needs to change.

Get Angry, Bud!

You said it even better than I did, thanks for further clarifying what I was attempting to say.

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ #YNWA

My comment was poorly communicated if the takeaway was that we should steer clear of this conversation.

To clarify: this topic has the potential to go way off the rails, so I would encourage everyone (not specifically jmecca, although I'm replying to her comment) to continue taking a calm and level-headed approach to this. Be mindful that everyone else's experiences aren't a perfect overlap with your own, and respect the nuance rather than coming in flying off the tope rop with inflammatory comments.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

If it goes off the rails, remove those comments or users, but it's an extremely important conversation to have and not sweep under the rug. This time it's centered around a high profile athlete with potential to affect the highest profile Hokie. Seems appropriate to talk about to me

Hopefully it doesn't make any males uncomfortable, but if it does, screw em.

As a husband and a father of an amazing little girl, this is an important topic and I am happy to see our society finally recognize this issue. I think gobble gobble was right (even though he is a dirty filthy Giants fan), its not so much that this isn't an important topic to talk about, but it does have the *potential* to go way off course, which is a shame.

Not counting the new Texans contract, TT has career earnings of $54,301,548.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I think I could retire and live comfortably for the next 60 years on about a 10th of that.

I bet he makes another 30 or so as well. He likely has created generational wealth for his family.

Incredibly well-respected within the league as well. He's going to be fast-tracked into a coaching role if he wants it post-retirement.

Whit plz

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Given the latest developments with Watson, I do believe Tyrod was brought in to be the starter for the year (or at least beginning of the year, hope he gets an honest shot)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think he was brought in to be solid backup if Watson played, or a starter if Watson held out. With the current issues with Watson, Tyrod is the starter and it is his position to lose.

Nah knowing his luck they'll trade for Teddy Bridgewater or trade up for Trey Lance

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Right, wrong or indifferent, this is the correct take. He'll be a mentor, while collecting a paycheck and watching another young buck rise to prominence. That's not an overall bad thing, but it's been awhile since he's played a full season.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

$10,000,000 a year to ride the pine and mentor without the physical abuse of getting hit is always the way to go.

He should come to tech and mentor

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We might be able to afford 1% of that salary for his mentorship.

this makes no sense. what young buck is going to rise to prominence? they don't draft until #67

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Well let's take a look

Jones, Lawrence, Fields, and Lance will all be gone in the first 2 rounds. Maybe even Stanford QB Mills, or BYUs Wilson gets drafted, too.

So, now the Texans are left with Mond, Trask, Buechele, Book, among others.

I'd take Mond, let Tyrod mentor him for a year, and then let him take the reins.

That's of course, if that's what the Texans decide to do. They may go after role players, and get another QB who is backup worthy, but not quite a starter, like a Colt McCoy (still around?).

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

My hunch, and it's been stated before, is the Texans are going to use the lawsuits as an out to fire Watson with cause. The fact a criminal investigation has only now been opened may have halted them from doing so already.

As much as the NFL owners have started to open up the pocket books on QBs like Watson, They would rather save $110M over 4 years than deal with any of the fallout associated with this mess.

Now, the mock drafts do NOT agree on whether Houston picks a QB, but it all sort of centers on what happens with Watson.

Mock Draft Database Texans

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

except there's no mechanism for "fired with cause" under the current CBA -- teams don't need it because contracts aren't guaranteed, and players would never agree to it because contracts aren't guaranteed anyway and negotiating for guaranteed money is the only way to ensure they get paid. If Houston cuts him, Houston owes him all the guaranteed money in the deal he signed less than a year ago.

The league has to (a) suspend him, (b) ban him, or (c) put him on the commissioner's exempt list so his salary doesnt count against HOU's cap, but he still gets paid. (c) is most likely until there is a resolution (including suspension). Assuming he's suspended via the league's personal conduct policy, he'll lose out on checks for the weeks he's suspended.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Zach Wilson is going to go in the top 10.

Zach Wilson is gonna go #2 overall

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

the only real trade asset they have to jump up for trey lance is deshaun watson and he's radioactive right now

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not to mention, he does have a no trade clause in his contract. I don't know if he has uniformly waived that clause in his demand to be traded or still has selective control over where he could go.