OT: Can we talk about Zach Snyder's Justice League

I am so impressed. I thought I'd end up breaking it down into sections and watching it that way but I literally sat there glued to my seat for 4 hours (save but a few bathroom breaks)

As a DC fan... I'm riding high baby.

I'll dig into the details down in the comments.

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Definitely had no clue what you were talking about. My mind went to Dan Snyder somehow selling the WFT. (Snyder "cut", DC fan...). I know, I know, but it's late and I've pulled 13 hours a day staring at a computer for three weeks.

I'll let you know when I'm done watching it some day. Jesus christ I know it's in parts but 4 hours is a long time to hold my attention. However so far it's so much better than that trash of the one in theaters.

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After watching what I did last night, I am offended by what WB decided to put out in theaters.

Marvel had the same problem with the length in the conclusion of the infinity war saga, solved it differently (two movies instead of one mammoth), and made way more money at the box office because of it ($2.048B for Infinity War, $2.798B for Endgame). It also helped that both were kick-ass movies and didn't have interruption at the helm midway through filming.

This is the first positive review I have seen or read about it, guess I will suck it up and spend 4 hours watching it.

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I haven't watched yet but if it takes 4 hours to tell a good story, it still points to the overall disappointment in the DC universe when compared to what Marvel has pulled off.

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I'd watch before calling it a disappointment

For the most part Marvel has implemented the creation/release of the MCU flawlessly while DC has...not. That said, Avengers Infinity/Endgame is basically a 5 hour movie that was split into two.

And because DC effed up so much already they didn't have the goodwill with fans to split into two movies. My original point remains. Make a great movie under 2.5 hours. It shouldn't be that hard when you have batman and Superman on staff.

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I agree, but somehow they made Batman v Superman, by far the worst Batman or Superman movie ever.

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Terrible movie. I think the biggest problem with making a good Superman movie is that he is too powerful. That makes the scope of the movies too large somehow. And Batman is better in scaled down situations.

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I'm actually beginning to lean heavily into the miniseries rather than movies when trying to tell a story. You get to flesh out more complex plots, introduce more characters, tell a better story, and now you're starting to see that you get a relatively similar budget as well.

I think there is still a place for the 2 hour story, but the meat should be in the miniseries.

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Before I invest 4 hours... if I don't really care for MCU, but I really really really like The Dark Knight series, will I like this?

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It's so weird, those are literally the only Nolan movies I have enjoyed

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I'm not a DC follower, but having learned my lesson from my failure of keeping current with the MCU before Infinity War, I would suggest watching all the DC movies (in release order) before trying to watch and comprehend Justice League.

Gotcha. So I'll skip this lol

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Watching all DC movies is not necessary in the slightest.

Superman is dead. Batman and WW are trying to find heroes to save the world from "a coming war".

There you're caught up.

Best summary I've ever read.

I watched it all last night, started it right when I finished working. I thought it was great, but to be honest I kind of feel that opinion is formed based on how terrible the original version was. It definitely could have been much shorter, but overall it was light years better than the first release.

Also, fair warning that it is presented in a 4:3 aspect ratio, so don't try and adjust your screen settings. It is meant to be that way.

I just finished.

First of all, if you watched that festering turd of the movie that was in theaters, you owe it to yourself to watch this to see what it was supposed to be. It was worlds upon worlds of a better movie. Visually stunning and a story that just frankly makes more sense.

Im not going to try and compare it to MCU movies or their execution except for saying that DC tried to get what they had too fast. This movie still did not need to be four hours. There is a bit of fluff, such as scenes like the Flash doing the quicksilver with the girl in the car. It was a blatant rip off of the Evan Peters stuff from the not so good Xmen movies.

Also, I still don't get Aquaman. I didn't watch the Aquaman movie. I might now, but the original Justice League cut turned me off. But seriously, he might as well just be Brick Tamlin running around killing people with a Trident. For a guy who is supposed to be master of water and fish or whatever, he sure doesn't utilize them very much.

Also, still just not digging Jesse Eisenburg as Luthor.

Lastly, the alternate universe dream was a bit confusing. I am assuming we more or less got introduced to Bizarro.

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I have actually liked Aquaman the most of all the DC universe movies (not including the Nolan Batman Trilogy which was awesome!) though I have not seen the newest WW, Shazam or this movie yet. Of course that may be my bias towards liking the lead actor Jason Momoa...

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Definitely not criticizing Jason Mamoa. It's just that I would rather see him using some aqua powers and riding the corny ass seahorse.

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Well Aquaman is a ton of that, him learning to use his powers and a bunch of epic water battles

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I enjoyed Shazam! because it actually has a sense of humor, something all of the other DC movies seem to avoid like the plague.

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The newest Wonder Woman is in the conversation for the worst superhero movie (I am talking Affleck-Devil and Clooney Nipples bad) I have ever seen. Which is a shame, because the first Wonder Woman was excellent.

I am not a DC guy, but the Dark Knight movies were absolutely the pinnacle of filmmaking. The first Superman (Man of Steel) in the DCU was ok, mostly because of Michael Shannon's terrific performance. This movie was better than the theater version and the awful Batman vs Superman, but there were segments with way too much slow burn, and I didn't like the visual of Steppenwolf as much as the first. I don't think I would put it ahead of any of the MCU movies except maybe the first Thor and the Ed Norton Hulk, but it wasn't absolute trash like the theater version.

Also, I had no idea who the Manhunter was (I wasn't a DC reader, and my cannon was almost all the late 70s early 80s Superfriends cartoon), so that didn't mean much too me.

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the alternate universe dream was a bit confusing

So I read into this and the "Knightmare" scene was supposed to be a set up since Synder originally was going to do a Justice League trilogy, and their version of the multiverse. The dream part about Barry telling Bruce that Lois was the key also part of this, and the sequence would have been the timeline where Lois died, and Superman succumbed to the Anti-Life formula and was hunting them. There would be time travel involved, and it should be noted that this was all planned before Infinity War/Endgame. Obviously, the Martian Manhunter would have also played a huge part, with Snyder hiding him in plain sight in Man of Steal and Dawn of Justice.

It should also be noted that Darkseid plays a huge part in the comics, and the arc was so popular that Marvel created Thanos as a response to Darkseid. Not to try and start any MCU vs DCCU stuff but those two comic companies have notoriously copied each other over the years.

This is a good post. Darkseid was the primary villan I remember watching Superfriends as a kid.

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The whole Epilogue felt unnecessary even in this version..almost a "look what you missed out on" by Snyder.

This was a C+ movie...waaay too long but still superior to the theater version. With significant editing and maybe some reshoots they could have carved it down and made a "B" out of it.

Problem is, Snyder lost all of the confidence of the studios with the absolutely terrible Superman v. Batman.

Good point on Darkseid vs. Thanos, though, DC is commonly seen as the "copier" of Marvel, but there is quite a bit both ways. Marvel has always had much better promotion and product control--as the recent cinematic exploits have clearly demonstrated.

The Aquaman movie is one of the better DC movies to come out so far only behind the first WW movie (and the villain in that was super corny).

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WW was good but the third act was a bit rough.
Aquaman was good but How to train your dragon 3 did it better (they're the same movie)
Shazam was probably my favorite, but WW is up there.
Bird of prey was at least entertaining.

The rest was utter garbage. Suicide Squad should be a mandatory lesson in film school of how to not edit a movie.

Shazam was probably my favorite

I agree on this. Totally underrated movie.

So where is Shaq in this? /s

He hit is so hard it's like the reinforcing wasn't even there.

Shazam was good.

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Ok finally got through it. First 5 chapters pretty boring and drawn out and not that much of an improvement on the first imho. Final fight that was chapter 6 and the epilogue were much better than the original so I am not sure how to characterize this. I guess overall slightly better than the original but still way to long and in need of trimming.

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MUCH better than the shit Whedon put out. I actually enjoyed the movie, characters had more time and the development of the story actually made sense. Is it among my top 5 favorite superhero movies, no. But it is much, much better than the "original, not really the original". Typically Zack Snyder gets overly stylized in his movies which I liked in his first and maybe second movies, but got old quickly. Whereas he really held back and let the actors carry the action in this.

I'm about an hour and half in and I can't say this is any better than the first one. Maybe I'm just not a DC guy outside of Batman. I do think Batman and Wonder Woman are good characters. I like Jason mamoa but aquaman sucks. That whole movie is a disaster so far. Who thought putting Willem Dafoe on a giant hammerhead was a good idea? Why is this movie 4-hours long?

Steppenwolf? Are we going on a magic carpet ride?

Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, and Amy Adams deserve better.

Where's the beef?

Update. Still wasn't thrilled with it but I didn't hate it. I think I let the past DC movie disappointment cloud my judgement too much. I'm looking at you Aquaman! At 4-hours long its gonna be hard to go back and take another look though.

Where's the beef?

I'm just going to say that anyone who thinks the Bale movies are better than Keaton's is wrong.

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Huge part of my childhood! But The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are both better movies.

Where's the beef?

Nahhh I don't appreciate the serious note Batman the way I do the 80s stuff. I am not saying they are not good, because they are amazing movies. But have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

Growing up on campy Adam West just made me appreciate a little less seriousness than what we get in the Dark Knight series. Campy not cheesy and bad, such as Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. Thats the dumbest thing I've heard since Schumacher put nips on the Batman.

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I have nipples, Harvey. Can you milk me?

Where's the beef?

This is the kind of quality conversation I come here for. Yeah, you can milk anything with nipples.

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I totally botched by Batman movie reference though. I believe the nipple suit was in the Clooney Batman with Arnold and Uma, not Tommy Lee Jones as Harvey Dent. I am ashamed.

Where's the beef?

For everyone that needs Bat Nipples and Asses in their youtube history.

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It didn't make it any less funny. Sounds like a cinema sins outtake.

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Very different takes on how to tell the story. The Keaton Batman movies were great but the Bale Batman movies had that blockbuster vibe AND were good movies. They are hard to compare apples to apples. It is even harder to compare the Joker performances. Jack was great but Heath Ledger was scary, funny, and a psycho in a way that was marvelous. Keaton was the best Bruce Wayne though and might have been the better Batman in the Nolan movie.

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Excuse me....Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light?

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I am with you on Keaton's Batman. He was a stretch for the role when it happened but it worked. I wish his Bruce was a little lighter, but he nailed Batman and realistically the mental damage that still affected Bruce.

The best part about him, is he doesn't play Bruce Wayne, he's just playing Michael Keaton.

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Wow. Hard disagree. Keaton was ok. Jack was good. But Nolan and bale created a trilogy that rises above the category of superhero - they are great when compared to all movies,with the dark knight being a top ten action movie of all time. Not close. Elfman's theme was good but Prince's soundtrack is a joke compared to the score by Zimmer. (that has been copied/imitated by many others since). The plot and pace by Nolan and just overall sense of drama is on a whole different level - of most movies (all included). Nolan is a groundbreaker

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You are missing my point, though. As far as movies go, the Nolan movies are better stories. But Batman is supposed to be ridiculous, and just more fun that way. His whole premise is ridiculous. Angry orphan rich kid buys his way to super hero status. I get it he's "smart" and invents half his shit himself. Good thing that money buys brains too. They even poke fun at it in Justice League when Barry Allen asks what his super power is. It's more fun when they just roll with how utterly stupid his backstory actually is. Supermans abilities are more realistic than Batman's. Loved the Nolan trilogy, but would pick 1980s batman to watch if both were on TV at the same time.

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Everyone gives Jack mad props but truth is he was hot and cold in the role. At times brilliant, other times WAY too much. Heath Ledger IS the Joker. Jack is a distant second. Don't believe me, watch both Jokers again. Too much cringe with Jack to stand the test of time.

The difference is Jack portrayed comic book Joker better, Ledger played a more real world Joker. The later is harder to do well IMO.

I hope I didn't imply that jack was better than Heath - no sir. Heath was incredible, especially after his previous roles as a teen heartthrob.
Jack was entertaining because of who he is - and I get people that want to grin at Batman with the plastic shark dangling from the leg, but I've seen em all and Nolan has set the highest bar - all superhero movies since have either tried to live up to it or have gone the comedy route to try a different way to appeal to the people (ragnarok 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️)
As with all things art, just one man's opinion.

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Oh no, I didn't mean you were implying that. Just wanted to make the statement.

But I will say that although I love Nolan's films and Bale was excellent, Keaton will always be number one for me. Were the films better than Nolan's? No way, not even close. But Keaton finally played a Superhero well and a deeply troubled one at that. He brought life to the role so successfully that it allowed Burton and Schumacher to drive it into the ground over the next decade before Nolan redefined superhero movies. Before Keaton there was only Reeves as Superman, who's acting, for as much as I have nostalgia for those movies, was as stiff as superman's bullet proof skin. And the jump from TV Batman to movie Batman as dark as Keaton's was monumental and in that way "better."

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Hot take, while Ledger was great, Batman Begins is a better movie that the dark knight. It has a better flow and really works well from start to finish.

Batman Begins also had that microwave cannon, which was utterly ridiculous and very much something you could have seen in a comic book. But I cant say I agree about it being better than the other two.

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I mean the 2nd one had a massive tracking system that isn't quite realistic.

So I watched this behemoth today and I really dug it. Sure it's flawed but so is every other DCU movie. I still 100% believe that DC went about setting up about their cinematic universe poorly, but that didn't stop me from (mostly) enjoying this movie.

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So I finally watched the directors cut and I really don't remember the differences. It really seemed like the same movie. I dont care to watch the theatrical cut again to compare.

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Finally watched this week in increments. Thought it was significantly better than the original but still flawed and too long.

I think that's the byproduct of DC rushing to put their movie universe together. When you've barely introduced Batman and had no introduction to Flash, Cyborg, or Acquaman, you're going to have to try to jam as much background for them as you can into it.