Video: Cornelsen breaks down a play action pass

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I have to admit that I chuckled a bit.

1. Even though Herbert "averaged 9 yards a carry" on this run from this formation, Clemson's second level guys don't bite. The Tigers have five defenders deep in a shell, and none of the safeties even take a second step to the line of scrimmage. The play action doesn't work, at all.

2. The play works because Mitchell's route effectively "picks" the coverage. Clemson is playing a deep shell. Mitchell is their primary key, and three defenders converge. The field safety should be over the top of the inside linebacker who tries to run underneath Robinson. Mitchell's threat tied up that safety- that is why Robinson is open. It is a coverage breakdown, not a safety biting on run action, that causes this play to break.

3. The design for the quarterback is a bit wonky. Usually on a boot or waggle you layer your misdirection routes. With this design, all the routes are long throws, which means the QB has to reverse out and then set. If the field OLB crashes hard inside, Burmeister either has to throw to Robinson without setting his feet, or break contain and run, which negates the goal of an explosive play down the field. I would rather see Turner lined up as the split end field side (bigger threat), and both he and Mitchell running the deep posts. Have Blackshear as a wing, and drag him across, with Robinson running the deeper route behind it. Then there is a safe outlet if BB has to run wide.

4. Dzansi oversets on his protection, which if the design is meant for BB to set in the pocket after reversing out, is a real good way to get your QB killed. Dzansi sets like the play was meant for BB to break contain. He gets too wide, allowing the Clemson field side OLB blitzing off the edge an inside angle to put heat on BB.

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yikes

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This feels like a perfect example of any new information just reinforcing priors. Folks are sure Corny is an idiot, so anything he does just shows what an idiot he must be.

The idea that Corny doesn't know/can't see issues with this play is silly. I can see the pressure on BB, pretty sure he can too. He's not doing this breakdown for the team, he's not trying to highlight issues, he's not using it to teach the actual players, it's a publicity video. It's a completed pass for a big gain against our best opponent from last year.

I appreciate the breakdown from French, it's always interesting to learn what someone who knows this stuff inside and out sees, but I truly don't understand what could possibly draw a "yikes" about this video.

but I truly don't understand what could possibly draw a "yikes" about this video.

okay, I'll bite. I'm not saying "yikes" to the video. I'm saying "yikes" to French's breakdown of the play and how it contrasts with Cornelson's breakdown of the same play.

This feels like a perfect example of any new information just reinforcing priors.

perhaps its coincidence but I find this part particularly amusing. It's no secret on TKP that I think Cornelson has underperformed at his job. But simply saying "yikes" to French's breakdown of a play draws out a vehement defense of Cornelson when I didn't even attack him in my post. Well done, Captain Ironic!

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where did you see a vehement defense of corny in that reply?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The idea that Corny doesn't know/can't see issues with this play is silly. I can see the pressure on BB, pretty sure he can too. He's not doing this breakdown for the team, he's not trying to highlight issues, he's not using it to teach the actual players, it's a publicity video. It's a completed pass for a big gain against our best opponent from last year.

seems like a pretty stout defense to me....correct me if I'm wrong

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Is it a vehement defense of Brad Cornelsen, or is it trying to point out that a little publicity op vid doesn't actually really tell anyone too much of anything one way or the other.

we all complain about no access to the program, but then the OC (who Whit says they did a bad job of humanizing) does a quick video with some pretty generic breakdown, and it's time to pile on.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My take is that is doesn't tell us anything (which is exactly how this staff likes it) and it's a bit of a knock on both the staff and the Marketing/Publicity arm. They tried but didn't get much to work with. This is probably an area where "any press is good press" doesn't apply. If all that's going to happen is that sites/groups like French are going to contradict the film analysis that doesn't win over the fanbase, recruits, or anyone.

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What would your take have been without French's comments. Honestly, I would have watched the vid and moved on without thinking twice.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Probably the same as yours, but since most of my consumption of things like this is through TKP and TKPC analysis, where is the harm in providing the correct analysis of the film being shown? To quote French a little further down thread

If it is me, I note how the play fake didn't work, but the pick action, coupled with my QB looking at the post to hold the safety, broke Robinson open. Then, it seems like you had a plan where if the play fake didn't work, the route structure and QB look off did. Brilliant.

Much like the rest of the Clemson game, this video is a self inflicted wound.

If this is the play you want to use (big gain against Clemson) then give the correct analysis of that play. As I said before. It's obvious that Robinson is open due to the pick (or pick action if you prefer) and we don't even mention it but talk about things that don't happen instead.

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if you don't talk about the pick action, then your opponents and the officials won't know to watch out for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We complain that we don't get access as fans and then we get this.....

This reeks of "Hey, find the best play we made against Clemson and have Brad say something about it."

The fans are basically rubes and will say "Yeah, look at that, we did that to Clemson, watch out in 2021!!"

Yeah, not so much....

Call a spade a spade. This video is made with the least effort possible to give the least possible insight into the Program. Its just going through the motions so that you can say you did it. And that's the best case scenario

The alternative is that we have an O.C. that fundamentally does not understand what is going on on the field at a level that even a J.V. coach should. The fact that this is even a consideration is a problem in amongst itself.

who's piling on?

French broke down the film differently than Cornelson. French points out some pretty clear discrepancies between what Cornelson said and what happened on the film. All I said was "yikes" and all of a sudden you think I'm piling on? Like, ease up man. I know you read a lot of my posts (as a moderator, you kinda have to, sorry) and you're more aware than most, probably, that I'm not Cornelson's biggest fan but you're way overblowing my take here

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safe to say you piled on about as much as vtwwalton vehemently defended Corny?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm feeling pretty targeted at this point. Why aren't you getting on French's case for piling on? All I said was "yikes" and then when I was attacked for it I defended myself and then you jumped on the pile. If anything, you're the one piling on. Yeesh

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I mean we have community guidelines to answer questions like this.

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as much as it pains me to say it, this is the best argument against me I've seen in some time

I'll admit that my initial comment did nothing to move the conversation forward.

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nobody attacked anyone for anything, nobody vehemently defended anything for anything

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So, if the intent is to demonstrate how a play pass causes defenders to bite (which is what he says), why show a play where they don't bite? That is the yikes.... he is describing concepts that are not happening in the video.

I am not one of those folks predisposed to saying "Corny is an idiot." I say what I see on tape. In this case, Corny is describing the tape, but what he is saying doesn't match up with what he is watching. That is the concern.

1. The safeties do not bite on the run action.
2. There is no freaking way that the Mitchell post or Blackshear post is the primary route.
3. He doesn't take credit for a design where you got a good receiver (Robinson) isolated against an inside linebacker, using Mitchell to take away the help that linebacker expects.

I would hope that he would either a. pick a play where the safeties actually bite or b. take credit for the real reason the play worked. This either makes him look disingenuous or dumb... neither are a good thing.

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If it is me, I note how the play fake didn't work, but the pick action, coupled with my QB looking at the post to hold the safety, broke Robinson open. Then, it seems like you had a plan where if the play fake didn't work, the route structure and QB look off did. Brilliant.

Much like the rest of the Clemson game, this video is a self inflicted wound.

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I took it as him more explaining the moving pieces to the casual fan than really trying to give insight to what he was thinking or the purpose behind the play design.

Obviously you don't expect Mitchell to get open but if for some reason he does Burmeister has the option to hit him with the pass first before Robinsons route develops, which makes more sense to explain to the regular fan in that order. I don't think he doesn't know or somehow forgot his play design

Yeah, I agree, I think the intent was to make this for the casual fan to follow.

I guess Jerry Kill didn't (allegedly) almost get into brawl with Corn for no reason.

1. Clemson is playing zone, which is tougher to beat with play-action because the defenders keep their eyes toward the LOS. Even so, the Boundary safety absolutely bites and then recovers immediately to pick up Robinson as he starts his crossing route. But then he has to make another fast decision when he sees Big Play Mitchell crossing into his zone.

2. Mitchell has enough leverage to the boundary on the Field Safety even though he didn't bite on the play-action and threatens the defense enough that he ends up doubled by the Boundary Safety as he crosses the hash. He's far enough underneath that the bailing Boundary CB isn't a factor on a throw to say the 35 yard marker, and the LB is too shallow in the flat. He's a known big play threat and this play has him threaten 3 separate zone defenders and get their attention. You can kind of see him ease up once he knows he has 3 defenders locked in on him and ignoring Robinson. Job done. Blackshear is probably not a target on that route with Burmeister at QB.. ball would take too long to get down the middle of the field and not only would the Field CB be able to close on Blackshear while the ball was in the air, the "free" Boundary CB would have plenty of time to rotate under the ball too.

3. Fuente hates giving away any true details / info... do you really think he's going to let his OC explain how they baited the safeties into triple covering 1 player and exploited Clemson's zone tendencies to give his QB an acre of a throwing window?

3. Fuente hates giving away any true details / info... do you really think he's going to let his OC explain how they baited the safeties into triple covering 1 player and exploited Clemson's zone tendencies to give his QB an acre of a throwing window?

Other coaches have access to this film, and they're going to find out about our tendencies and schemes even if we don't talk about. This isn't Fight Club, those other coaches are paid to break down film, too.

I know that's not really what you meant, but that statement just triggered my hatred over us walling off the program, closing off practices, and not broadcasting the Spring Game. Game film exists, Justin. You're not surprising anyone with these designs anymore.

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I've seen it posted here by multiple folks that Cornelsen is either a complete idiot or he's trying to be coy. Let's work off this premise for a moment. First of all, neither is good.

Lets give him benefit of the doubt here and assume that he's just being coy. To your point, it's fooling no one of consequence. What is the point of misguiding viewers regarding the film and what actually caused the play to work when clearly someone like French can look at the same film and break it down to see what really happened? Coaches who are paid to do this at the ACC level aren't going to be fooled by Cornelsen trying to mask this play as simple play action. So who is he really fooling here and why?

The reason this really raises eye brows for me is because French, who is a football Xs and Os opinion I really trust, broke down the play in a completely different way than Cornelsen. And, frankly, French's analysis makes more sense relative to what I'm seeing on the film.

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2. There is no freaking way that the Mitchell post or Blackshear post is the primary route.

Post and other middle crossing routes are rarely our primary route.

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

So then it's an attempt to slide one under the Casual fan's nose?

Then, it's poorly done at best.

You don't have to have excellent film breakdown abilities to quickly decipher that this wasn't at all an example of brilliant Play Action execution.

So, we're given the option...the offensive Staff is...
A) incompetent
B) disingenuous

Either way, it's not exactly what you're looking for in a clip that is supposed to be promoting you as a Staff.

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It's pretty obvious that Mitchell is open because of the pick and he doesn't even mention it.

I don't know whether or not to really use this as an assessment of his ability to read the film but it's not a good look.

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and yet we've set all kinds of offensive records under this "rube"...and that's much more damning of the prior coaching staff!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

More to do with adopting a spread

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

He's trying to take your job french!

Also- for people holding out on TKPC, this is the kind of film break down you will get as a member.

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This comment is selling your work short. You provide much more indepth looks into everything. This is an aperitif compared to the 9 course meal you deliver

Thanks for posting French. I'm glad the play worked, but it seems like it's relying way too much on Clemson botching the coverage (triple covering Mitchell). I wish they would leak somebody out to the field side flat where there's all sorts of open space to give BB a less slow developing option.

Then again I'm just an armchair qb. Happy to see this sort of content from the team.

Curious as to your thoughts?

Same thought. I wish VT had a bootleg variation with a flat/drag combo and a backside post. The backside post is always open if the QB can throw it. The crossing routes do a good job of setting picks, but take a long time and don't present secondary options. Watching this video, I find it very tough to buy that either of the post routes were the primary route, as the QB would be throwing against his body. The primary route is most likely the Robinson cross either way.

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Honestly, I don't know if he is being dishonest, or he just doesn't know. Like, how can your "thesis" bullet point be that run action sucks in the safeties, and then show a play that works because of a pick, even though the safeties don't bite? I am floored that this saw the light of day. I love the effort- this is stuff I love to see and I was excited to watch it this AM. Then I started to watch and was like "he either doesn't know, or he is BSing the people watching (to what end?)" It doesn't shine him in a good light.

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I have a slim tiny hope that he was BSing, but really suspect that he doesn't know how to diagram a working play or break down film. Too akin to what Jerry Kill was saying while he was here.

I think the pool of successful pass plays on play action with BB at qb may have been limited. Also, for the non-french casual fans, I am sure they wanted to show a successful play against Clemson.

From what I see, the safety that is pulled out of the play by Mitchell was also the one to bite hardest on the play action. Would it be fair to say that the play action aided in pulling his attention onto the picking receiver crossing his face?

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I would say it worked because it is a pick play. The pick is just Mitchell's presence and threat, not a physical block on the safety.

There are lots of PA plays... BB ran a bunch of quick outs on PA vs UVA.

One of my film breakdowns this summer will show the big BB weakness- when he is in the game, there are not any quick throws into the middle of the field. That eases pressure on the safeties and LBs. The LBs can be almost 100% dialed in on the run. Fortunately, VT's OL was absolutely murdering people at the LOS. They just didn't always exploit the advantage that gave them.

I don't know if the fan base appreciates it- 2020, for all the awful things, was arguably the best OL performance since 2001.

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I think we appreciated it by the fact that so many people were furious Herbert seemed to go entire quarters without touching the ball meanwhile we'd steamroll defenses when he did.

I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit on your criticism of the breakdown. The playaction effectively brought the linebackers towards the line of scrimmage at the beginning of the play, opening up the soft spot behind them for the crossers. The safety that gets lost in coverage, initially does bite on the playaction which helped lead to a breakdown in their secondary. This does not look like a standard pic play to me. It moreso looks like the hesitation from the safety causes a miscommunication on the back end with the other safety on whether or not they're supposed to pass off the 2 crossers. Its a really similar route concept to the play we ran in 2010 against FSU and had a lot of success.

As for as the protection, we also ran a very similar half roll out with Tyrod and Logan, especially when incorporating a crossing route. A few big hitters i remember from the Beamer days was Logan hitting Danny against Miami in 2010 and then again against Georgia Tech in 2011 right before the half. Back in the day we called it 82/83 protection. We ran it without the playaction, but the playaction as shown here, is a great way to make the linebackers misstep and prevent them from dropping back into coverage and closing the window for the crossers.

There are plenty of things to get frustrated with in terms of our offense, but picking this breakdown apart is a bit much to me.

Gobble Till You Wobble

You explained what I was seeing better than me.

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Exactly!

well said

It is a matter of design. If the primary read is the two field posts, the play action should be to get the safety to bite. Cornelsen clearly says that is the primary read. They don't bite. The WOLB/field OLB is coming right away... no pause like a backside edge normally would (our backside LBs would yell "SCREEN THROWBACK REVERSE" before crashing the edge.) And if the LBs are worth a piss, the guard pulling left to set the edge eliminates their run key. So, the run action is either designed to hold the safeties for Mitchell or Blackshear (which is what Corny say) OR this is a pick play, with the run action impacting the safeties eyes, allowing Mitchell's post to eat them up.

My theory is that this was a window dressing play concept, extended deeper because of Clemson's a deep shell so much, that operates the same way the throwback pick plays Corny historically uses (see Kumah stiff arm versus UVA, Dalton Keene touchdown versus Miami etc etc etc.) He just doesn't want to say it, as if saying it would let opposing coaches in on the gaga.

It is a good concept... take ownership of it. The half roll was dangerous, and while this worked, not having something that develops quicker is one reason why the QBs have taken more hard shots than the ideal.

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it's possible for the intent of the run action to set up all the routes, not just the initial read... Cornelsen was keeping it simple for a quick "play design 101" segment.

and another thing to consider is that "primary read" is often synonymous with "first read".
That doesn't mean the OC expects that receiver to be the one getting the ball against certain teams/coverages. But the QB checks just in case, because if Mitchell or Blackshear's routes were going to be open it would have been earlier than Robinson's route. Doing that first read gives time for the "secondary" read to open up.

I think Corn also makes a point about PA making pass protection a little easier. Ok the safety did not bite but the ILB did and the protection held up long enough for the deep drag. So maybe it's a little cheesy but I'm not sure it leads us to a binary choice of idiot or liar. I enjoyed it for what it was. It's just nice to be talking Xs and Os....

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I see what you're saying but this play can have levels to it. If the safeties bite on the play action, then you have your posts opening up behind them. If they don't, then there should be a window underneath them and behind the linebackers. I don't really have an issue with him saying the primary read is the posts because BB should quickly be able to tell if the safeties bit or not and can get off that read.

As far as the protection goes, the half roll is pretty common. I agree having the pulling guard set the edge is a little bit riskier, but I enjoyed seeing us try to move the pocket with BB the last 2 games and hope it's something we see more of.

Also I guess we have 2 different opinions on what a pick play is. I consider a pick play to truly be more of a rub route, where you essentially try to legally set a screen on a DB or LB covering your teammate. This seems much more like just a crossing route, where you hope to catch a team mishandling passing off their coverage responsibilities.

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Your observation about " no quick throws to the middle of the field" - this is what has perplexed me with the play calling. If PA is truly working, this throw has to be open. Is it the QB, or is it not called by the staff?

Seems like it's just a big gain against Clemson. Kind of thing you want to highlight in what is a publicity stunt.

Maybe he was referring to the two inside linebackers as victims of the play fake. They both took initial steps forward, and while one said, "Fuck it!" and continued forwards (ineffectively), the other backed out, and ended up being the linebacker that was isolated on Robinson. The linebacker that continued forwards may, if he had backed out into zone coverage to the right, might have been in a position to make a play on the ball had Burmeister still chosen to make that throw.

Given that, maybe the play fake worked, a little? I don't know, I'm nowhere near an expert in breaking down film, but that was one part I noticed.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

slight correction - Clemson was in a 3-4 set for this play, and both the LB's on the Field side bite on the play-action / fake bootleg. The LB that drops into coverage under Robinson is the boundary side ILB. He does a good job taking away any kind of quick-hitter slant route to Robinson but cant keep up with him on the long drag.

Now I'm even more convinced that Corny needs to go

I take offense that early downs are better to play action, I dont have the cfb stats, but in the NFL that is not true, all downs are good for play action. And I doubt that changes fir cfb

When it's third and three, PA probably works better than when it's third and eight haha

Yes, and PA work best on first down, but I meant compared to a non-pa pass. In the 3rd and 3 situation PA is more effective than non-PA (about a yard and a half). In 3rd and >3, PA is as effective as non-PA, they both average 5.8 ypc. Though PA on 3rd and >3 is a lot rarer than other situations.

The interesting thing is that on 3rd down the targets run short routes in PA than they do in a straight us pass play. This is no matter the distance. On first and 2nd down PA plays have recievers running further down field than on Non-pa plays.

Basically this means that on first and 2nd down, PA is used to get bigger plays, but on third down they shorten the routes (probably for quicker release/avoid pass rush). The investing thing is that on 3rd and >3 the target has the longest routes, but the outcome is the worst. When you introduce play action you get the same outcome, but your reciever runs a lot short of a route, so you get a completed pass a lot more on 3rd down with PA, more so than any other situations.

Yeah, this did little to inspire confidence.

From the start, Corny mentions them loading the box against the run....and 6 guys are highlighted.

As French said, the Play Action had little to no effect, there were plenty of defenders, one of the safties clearly should have followed Robinson rather than tripling Mitchell.

Honestly, this play highlights one of my major gripes with this entire offense. It seems to rely almost entirely on the other team making mistakes. The play design fools no one, the execution on the OL wasn't great, but we got lucky. And we use it as a Coaches Clinic to highlight our offensive "prowess."

I'd love to give this Staff the benefit of the doubt, but they just do nothing at all to prove they deserve it.

If you want to see how little respect Clemson actually had for our Offense, peruse French's Film Review, Venables and Co. didn't even bother with trying to acknowledge our "window dressing" because it was so predictable where the ball was going.

Yep. They said "we can stop you with our front seven." OL did good work, but there was just enough interference from the DL to keep one LB clean, and that one LB always seemed to make the tackle.

That was the worst Clemson defensive front since 2010. VT had a lot of chances to make that game even more interesting than it was. The self inflicted stuff crushed them.

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self inflicted = poorly coached. In every level of football. The patriots dont beat themselves. Neither does Bama

If thats the worst front they had since 2010, should we temper our expectations about the transfer we got from them?

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I think Fuente's "concept" is very solid. Establish an inside zone running game, outnumber people at the LOS or get a back/wr in space where they only have to break one tackle. It's not far off from a Joe Gibbs/Norv Turner scheme- it's just run out of the shotgun most of the time. The idea is solid... the playcalling and execution is not however

To be fair to this clip, if you mute Corn then the play call and execution was quite good. Burmeister looked off who probably is the true #1 target in this play (Robinson). He then finds a wide open Robinson. Everyone did what they should have done to make a PA without anyone biting turn into a big play.

I agree you don't see enough of plays like this. We don't see this execution where the QB looks off the safety and finds the 2nd or 3rd target. We don't see a failed play (no on bitting on PA) turn into a big gain.

uh, there are 7 guys in the box that are highlighted at 0:40 in the clip..

Does anyone remember the rumor about Jerry Kill being furious about our offensive staff's inability to properly breakdown film?? Are we seeing that here?

Yes I remember that! Supposedly Kill couldn't take his incompetence any longer. Almost came to blows if I remember correctly.

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I know one thing- our defense has been awful. Last year was a joke. Perhaps they are not getting a good look in practice either? hmmm

Looking back, I wonder where we'd be as an offense had Corny took advantage of an opportunity, and not stayed loyal to Fuente after 2018. I'd like to think Wiggins had the option to move up to OC instead of leave for Alabama.

That being said, I'm very proud to see Wiggins excel, and Fuente should be, too. Hell, he should be selling that to croots "I got great assistant coaches and an awesome national network. One branch from my tree just coached a Heisman winner and national champion, and I'm grooming the next coach to do the same with you here at VT."

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...had Corny took advantage of an opportunity, and not stayed loyal to Fuente after 2018.

Did Cornelsen have a job offer after 2018?

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Yes.

D1 coaches get bombarded with offers on a regular basis.

After the season was over, Corn was still at VT, and Wiggins was gone.

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Don't know if this common knowledge on the TKP boards but there were rumors about Shibest being offered TE/ST at Alabama at some point(s) and he turned it down out of loyalty to Fuente.

that's interesting. I think if I was offered a job under Saban I would take it and expect my boss to understand that I mean no disrespect to him. Alternatively, if I'm Fuente and one of my guys gets an offer like that I'm encouraging him to take the job and understand there's no hard feelings. That's just me though. Shibest might really like Blacksburg (or maybe he just doesn't want to disrupt his family) or he may actually really really like working for Fuente. No way of knowing any of this, of course, especially if it's just rumor. In any case, regardless of how you feel about how this program is being run I don't think anyone in their right mind would disagree that Bama is the best running program in the nation.

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You want employees to leave (on good terms) for jobs that are at the top of their field. You want them to learn things from other places. You want them to want to come back because they loved working for you. When they come back they have new ideas and methods that help elevate your company.

Even if they don't comeback they speak highly of your company and you build a network of people that want to work for you through people you know and trust.

yeah, pretty much!

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Fun thing is, said Heisman winner will be going from one former VT WR coach (Wiggins) to another (Moorehead)

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

I'm just surprised Cornelsen knows passing plays other than bubble screens.

Cornelsons other pass play used to be 4 go long, but I think the QB arm has inhibited that play

They should've had Corny break down a jet sweep....that would've been fun

A 3 and 17 QB power would have been more entertaining

Now I want a web series of Steve Spurrier breaking down utterly stupid play calls.

This, but unironically. Just him showing a series of one successful jet sweep after another.

Hey Brad, go talk out of your ass for 3 minutes while we show one of our only positive plays from the Clemson game so I can make good on my promise to make you more 'accessible' to the fan base that hates you.

-Justin Fuente, approximately 5 minutes before this video got filmed.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.