ACC Bowls 2021

The ACC started a new bowl cycle last year, although COVID royally screwed everything up. So I'm a little out of practice with how all of this is set up.

In short, the ACC got rid of tiers, hierarchies, and pecking orders. That really takes the wind out of any fan discussion and debate. This also means that rule that a bowl can only pick a team within 1 win of the best team available doesn't apply anymore. I think this also means that the folks doing bowl projections at ESPN are talking out of their ass even more than usual.

Since the CFP semi-finals are in the Orange and Cotton Bowls, the ACC champ will be displaced to either the Peach or Fiesta Bowls. We also don't have to worry about the SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame deal for the Orange Bowl this year.

Military Bowl - Mon., Dec. 27, 2021 / 2:30 p.m. / ESPN / vs. AAC
-Annapolis, MD
Holiday Bowl - Tues., Dec. 28, 2021 / 8 p.m. / FOX / vs. Pac-12
-San Diego, CA
Fenway Bowl - Wed., Dec. 29, 2021 / 11 a.m. / ESPN / vs. AAC
-Boston, MA
Pinstripe Bowl - Wed., Dec. 29, 2021 / 2:15 p.m. / ESPN / vs. Big Ten
Cheez-It Bowl - Wed., Dec. 29, 2021 / 5:45 p.m. / ESPN / vs. Big 12
-Orlando, FL (formerly Camping World Bowl)
Duke's Mayo Bowl - Thurs., Dec. 30, 2021 / 11:30 a.m. / ESPN / vs. SEC
-Charlotte, NC (formerly Belk Bowl)
Gator Bowl - Fri., Dec. 31, 2021 / 11 a.m. / ESPN / vs. SEC
-Jacksonville, FL
Sun Bowl - Fri., Dec. 31, 2021 / 12:30 p.m. / CBS / vs. Pac-12
-El Paso, TX

If there are still enough bowl eligible teams, one of the following bowls will get an ACC team:
Gasparilla Bowl - Thurs., Dec. 23, 2021 / 7 p.m. / ESPN / vs. SEC or AAC
Birmingham Bowl - Tues., Dec. 28, 2021 / Noon / ESPN / vs. SEC or AAC
First Responder Bowl - Tues., Dec. 28, 2021 / 3:15 p.m. / ESPN / vs. SEC or AAC

Bowl eligible teams (updated with week 13 results)
-Pitt 10-2
-Wake Forest 10-2
-Clemson 9-3
-NC State 9-3
-Miami 7-5
-Louisville 6-6
-Boston College 6-6
-uva 6-6
-UNC 6-6
-VT 6-6

And these teams can be bowl eligible with a win:
-VT 5-6 (vs. uva)
-Syracuse 5-6 (vs. Pitt)
-FSU 5-6 (vs. 5-6 Florida)

UPDATE: Only VT won to get bowl eligible.

For reference, Notre Dame is 10-1. That could put them in range of a NY6 bowl, keeping them out of the ACC bowl pot. I honestly don't know if it's better to have them involved (pulling in a bigger pool of money but splitting it more ways) or not involved (smaller pool but fewer splits).

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Armstrong is back, I am worried about our eligibility.

Yeah, I agree. I think we will struggle on D next week. Don't make any bowl plans yet.

Edit: This didn't age well and I am glad for it.

Conspiracy theory: It's in the ACC's best interest to have all the calls go our way.

It definitely helped Miami on Saturday.

Conspiracy theory update -- I think the booth officials got the memo that VT needed to win, but I don't think the zebras on the field did. Plus they were just that incompetent at being incompetent.

My goodness, the Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl? Bowl sponsorships are getting absurd.

Um ... they're great!

this also means that the folks doing bowl projections at ESPN are talking out of their ass even more than usual

Counterpoint (and conspiracy time): this system gives ESPN way more control over the bowl matchups, and they can use those bowl projections as a way to test fan reaction to various matchups and locations.

I dunno. I just know that the guys they had doing it the last few years would never take certain nuances into consideration like paying attention to contracts (like when the bowls alternate conferences), teams records relative to each other, projecting out the last few games, or avoiding rematches or back-to-back appearances.

ESPN also outright owns multiple bowl games now.

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It says a lot about how attractive ESPN finds the ACC that they have scheduled kickoffs for 5 of 11 standard bowl games to 12:30 or earlier including 2 weekday 11am kickoffs.

Na, that just means that the ACC has the best fans and will watch whenever the games are on. /s

It means I'll get to watch these games.

Big Ten and SEC are getting about as many early kicks.

I think it says much more about how ESPN actually sucks at scheduling. They won't utilize most of their channels, instead trying to cram as much on the mothership as possible with little room for error if there's a delay or runover. (Although to be fair this year, having Christmas hit on a Saturday is probably the worst for scheduling bowl games.)

After all, ESPN still continues to schedule college games in 3-3.5 hour windows, and they should know by now that a college game takes longer than NFL.

Gotta add value for those carrier fees. There's a reason the sports channels still keep their content on cable channels, while putting a boatload of content on their streaming options ESPN+, Paramount+, etc.

It'll come eventually, but I would gladly pay an extra $10/mo more for all ESPN content, or all CBS content, If I'm not mistaken, all the Premier League matches are available on Peacock, and I don't need a cable subscription (correct me if I'm wrong), with the bigger matches on big NBC. NBC just shelled out $1Billion for Premier League rights, with a capital B.

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A streaming service for all ESPN content would cost waaaaaay more than just $10/month. Would probably come out to at least $20, and I would guess about $30.

ESPN+ includes throwaway content from G5 conferences plus FCS and lower leagues that didn't make any of the linear cable channels, plus a couple random MLB and NHL games a week and various soccer and tennis matches with fairly little consistency in what is shown. ESPN+ also costs $7/month. If you add in practically 90% of the college football games on actual TV each week, plus Monday Night Football and every other major sporting event they carry, that's going to add significantly more value for the average viewer than what ESPN+ already has. Besides, ESPN makes about $15 per month off of every cable subscription that includes the full list of ESPN networks, so that would be the bare minimum you'd expect to pay. In addition, those contracts are written such that various networks have to be included in certain cable TV tiers, so they're getting those carriage fees from people that have no interest in any ESPN content, so they would stand to lose a significant amount of money if the world switched to an a la carte system and they only charged $15 to those who specifically wanted ESPN.

Now, regarding Premier League and Peacock, only a subset of Premier League matches are available on the service. To be able to watch any given Premier League match, you would have to subscribe to both Peacock and a cable tier that includes NBCSN (through December, after which they're decommissioning the network) or USA (starting in January) as matches only appear on one or the other, and it seems to be a roughly equal split between the two. Besides those, I think one match per week is available on the main NBC network, which most people can pick up with an antenna (and would certainly be included in the cable tier that includes NBCSN or USA).

Thanks for the clarification, again I only keep cable for live tv, and sportsurge is giving me a reason to pull it for good

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I'd gladly pay for all the VT games.

I'm sort of tired of paying for SOME of the games I want, through a patchwork of several subscriptions.

10+ spots remain (not all G5 teams will be taken if everything gets full)

20 FBS schools are 1 win from eligibility

Here are the matchups:
FSU vs Florida
Syracuse vs Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech vs UVA
Tulsa vs SMU
Memphis vs Tulane
TCU vs Iowa State
WVU vs Kansas
Maryland vs Rutgers
Charlotte vs ODU
North Texas vs UTSA
FAU vs Middle Tennessee
Ball St vs Buffalo
SJSU vs Fresno St
LSU vs Texas A&M
South Alabama vs Coastal Carolina
Troy vs Georgia St

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Rutgers gonna go bowling

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There are going to be eligible teams that don't go bowling

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I'm OK with that.

There are too many bowl games.

Ditto... 6-6 teams getting a bowl is like a participation award that everyone gets - its nearly meaningless. And I 100% realize that this year, it could include VT assuming we get a win on Saturday.

I would prefer way fewer bowl, and raising the eligibility # to 7 wins to qualify for a post-season bowl game.

Except that 6-6 team can get to 7-6 and therefore have a winning season. Beamer had to do it that way a couple times.

Which also dilutes the meaning of a winning season.

I'm OK with these terms having more meaning.

Wow, we really don't play the Big10 in bowl season, in fact we have more matchups against the AAC.

AAC vs. ACC. Dyslexics untie!

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Pinstripe Bowl.

And the Duke's Mayo Bowl alternates Big Ten (even years) and SEC (odd years).

I can't began to project the NY6 bowls yet this year because so many of the teams at the top will play each other in the next two weeks. But, I'm trying to figure out the at-large possibilities and the trickle down effect on the ACC Bowls. There's really only two true "at-large" spots in the NY6 this year, since the ACC champ will be displaced, and I'm assuming the G5 still sends someone even if Cincy makes the CFP.

Notre Dame is ranked #6, so that's high enough that they're probably getting an at-large spot.

Pitt is ranked #17. Wake, NC State, and Clemson are 18, 20, and 23. That's already well out of range of an at-large spot for the loser of the ACCCG.

All of that to say that ND is probably going to a NY6 bowl (so we're not splitting money with them) and the ACC isn't sending anyone other than the champ to the NY6.

The contract stipulates that the highest-ranked G5 conference champion is granted a NY6 berth. Assuming Cincy goes undefeated, they would certainly be the highest-ranked G5 conference champion, and the CFP semifinals are both considered NY6 games, so there would be absolutely no obligation to invite a second G5 champ. There will be a minimum of 2 at-large selections, 3 if Cincy makes the CFP, and possibly more if a non-champ ends up in the top 4.

But you're right, there are a lot of things that can change in the order from 3-12 in the next two weeks, so it's nearly impossible to prognosticate exactly what might happen. But suffice it to say that ND will absolutely get one if they beat Stanford.

Finally, a projection from Joe Giglio, who actually knows a bit about how the ACC bowl process works. Some interesting info in the story linked in the tweet.

Apparently, there still are tiers within the new structure. But outside of the teams in contention for the ACCCG, the rest of the ACC is sitting at 6-5 or 5-6. As long as we get bowl eligible, we'd be able to jump any of those teams even if they win this weekend. The one kink in that system is if Clemson or NC State (both sitting at 8 wins now) lose and one of the current 6-win teams win, so they'd be a 7-win team able to jump an 8-win team.

FYI about a bowl opponent...

I hope we turn down the Military Bowl.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

We qualified to be in this discussion. Down go the Hoos. Go Hokies!

This is purely my conjecture, based on what Giglio posted on Thursday, with the added information of today's outcomes.

I believe we're fair game for any of the tier 2 or 3 bowls that he lists. I don't think there will be a huge amount of shifting just because VT is bowl eligible. I do think that we could easily knock uva down, though.

I'm sure many folks here are worried about a potential matchup with ECU in the Military Bowl, but I don't think the ACC would put us there. Too much external drama and potential PR issues to deal with.

BC is probably locked into the Fenway Bowl, since they're already in Boston.

Talking over with my buddy after the game, and I think it could be very possible to see a VT/Tennessee matchup in the Duke's Mayo Bowl. I think it would be very good for ticket sales. Plus, we get the extra storyline with Hendon Hooker being on the other side. Disclaimer, I haven't looked at any speculation or projections on the SEC side of the equation.

To be honest, I could care less about the match up. The extra practices will hopefully allow some development, particularly if any new staff show up early (I know, not likely).

I forget. When do we find out about bowl destination? Next weekend after conference title games?

Next Sunday at the latest. Although the lower level ACC bowls might leak out or announce earlier. Based on the records of all of the teams, I don't think there's really a lot of variables in play for the outcome of the ACCCG. If there are any variables, it's based on the opponents.

Man I wanted the military bowl so bad, 45 minute drive and I am off that week. Then ECU happened. Guess I will be watching on the TV somewhere

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Why don't you want to play them in a bowl? Lol

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With 83 teams getting to 6 wins, and only 41 bowl games, 1 eligible team will go without a bowl.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

You know...Liberty isn't in a conference. Just throwing that out there in case any of the bowl people stumble across our board.

I would love that, but my guess is somebody from the MWC

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

The question there would be which sideline do you find Frank

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

He'll pull the move the president does during Army/Navy and switch sides at halftime.

It would be cool to play Shane, but I really want to see UVA lose to Tech and Beamer in their last 2 games.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

The key word there is lose. I don't so much care who it's to.

Preferably in front of an empty stadium they didn't want to travel to.

Charlotte is nice.

South Carolina is a nice storyline.

I was last in Charlotte at the Belk Bowl, vs Kentucky.

How is Tampa a warm weather bowl lower on the list than some of these places?

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There are multiple bowls in Tampa. Gasparilla on December 23, and Outback on January 1.

You've got to play the Gasparilla in the Trop, I believe.

That sounds miserable

Pinstripe wants UVA, ugh

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It matches the suits that the students wear.

seersucker and pinstripes are not the same thing. One is worn my the mob, the other is plantation plaid

This is my school
This is home

plantation plaid


Onward and upward


If we get Military vs ECU, get ready for a month of propaganda out of NC around how we screwed them over by not replaying the game delayed due to a hurricane after all the goodwill they gave us after 4/16.

I'm already hearing it a bit down here.

This is my school
This is home

Just FYI, they rescheduled the game without notifying us. We canceled the series after that not so subtle move.

We put the K in Kwality

Oh, well aware of the shady, slimy bullshit that school pulled on us that year. They did that and then immediately held the $10k they donated to us after 4/16 over our heads as leverage on why we should bend over backwards to help them out.

Mind you, they never even told us they weren't going to play the game as originally planned. Whit found out by seeing their social media teams tweet out images of their football gear arriving at USF for their game the following week when they should have been on the way to Blacksburg, and that's how we found out. And the second that Whit called them on it, their media affiliates went full on propaganda blitz using 4/16 against us.

Fucking slimeballs.

This is my school
This is home

Yeah, I'm OK with trying to get a different bowl, or a different opponent.

Would be very interesting with ECU with the fact that I think there's a chance Mike Houston could be our next coach.

Well, if we hired him then there's almost no way he coaches against us in that potential bowl game....they'd somehow hate us even more then....tee hee!

Any chance that that the Pinstripe Bowl would match up VT vs Penn State now? πŸ€”

Teel reporting that we might go to Pinstripe. Possible opponents are Purdue or PSU.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I think JC is great and all but having us play Purdue and Penn State is a bit much for him to prepare for.

TBH I am not really concerned if we win (it would be nice). The extra practices which CBP can observe i think are much more important.

Purdue AND Penn State. Get it?

Nope that joke went right over my head.

Maybe CBP could give him some tips.

My ECU alum brother is in shambles.

[incoherent gobbling noises]

I might go to the Pinstripe or the Duke's Mayo Bowl if we get those.

I could go to Duke's but can't get the time for Pinstripe.

I could probably do Duke's or Military (not a fan of the ECU drama however), but I can't swing Pinstripe.

Also kind of hoping ODU gets the Myrtle Beach bowl (seems unlikely though). I have a friend who lives there, tickets wouldn't be crazy and it would be a great excuse for us to get together.

Would gladly take a NYC trip around this time of year. If the wife wasn't 9 mos preggers. Maybe I'll buy a ticket for a veteran or donate or something like that?

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He followed that tweet up with two responses that I'm just going to quote here to make sure the text comes across:

Basically, Orlando gets first choice in the first tier.

They could take someone over Clemson (travel fatigue after six years of the playoff is real) but more likely the Tigers are the choice.

State's last two bowl trips were to Jacksonville, so San Diego makes the most sense

- Wish i had more clarity on Louisville. BC would rather not play in Boston, so Lou could end up there and BC at either Birmingham or Dallas

- Virginia has bigger fish to fry, obviously, bu man they made a mess of themselves down the stretch

Looks like the boo hoos are getting knocked down to the contingency bowl.

I think the biggest factor is that BC didn't want to play in the hometown bowl game.

TBH that's a better destination than PinStripe. You won't convince me that anyone wants to go to Boston or NY to go play football in late December on a baseball field

Rockefeller Center

New Years Eve

All the restaurants

Times Square

It's NYC

And we're playing at Yankees Stadium, and as much as my Oriole fandom hates it, it'd be pretty darn cool just to visit the stadium.

If my wife wasn't going to pop anytime soon with baby #4 I'd have already purchased tickets.

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Currently looking for Hamilton tickets around that date for the wife and oldest kid to surprise them. If I can manage that we are going. NYC around Xmas would be cool to visit. If I can't have a Florida bowl destination or San Diego give me NYC over any place that the ACC plays.

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It WAS New York City...

Last round of projections:

Updating this post as bowls are confirmed:

Military Bowl - Mon., Dec. 27, 2021 / 2:30 p.m. / ESPN
-Boston College vs. Eastern Carolina

First Responder Bowl - Tues., Dec. 28, 2021 / 3:15 PM / ESPN
-Louisville vs. Air Force

Holiday Bowl - Tues., Dec. 28, 2021 / 8 p.m. / FOX
-NC State vs. UCLA

Fenway Bowl - Wed., Dec. 29, 2021 / 11 a.m. / ESPN
-uva vs. SMU

Pinstripe Bowl - Wed., Dec. 29, 2021 / 2:15 p.m. / ESPN
-VT vs. Maryland

Cheez-It Bowl - Wed., Dec. 29, 2021 / 5:45 p.m. / ESPN
-Clemson vs. Iowa State

Duke's Mayo Bowl - Thurs., Dec. 30, 2021 / 11:30 a.m. / ESPN
-UNC vs. USCe

Gator Bowl - Fri., Dec. 31, 2021 / 11 a.m. / ESPN
-Wake Forest vs. Texas A&M

Sun Bowl - Fri., Dec. 31, 2021 / 12:30 p.m. / CBS
-Miami vs. Washington State

Wake is official for the Gator bowl.

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Pinstripe bowl officially.

UNC to Duke's Mayo bowl. Unfortunate for me, i was hoping for that since it would be doable travel-wise.

Brett McMurphy is saying we going to Pinstripe "likely against Maryland". He hasn't hedged on any of his announcements so far, so I wonder if there's still some moving around on the Big Ten side. never mind...

Maryland confirmed, per a tweet from the bowl game's official account.

Can we start a new thread? I have lots of questions for people who have been to NYC during December.

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Go ahead. This is the catch-all thread. Any topic specific to the VT game and logistics would be suitable for a new thread.

Best time of year to be in NYC

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Happy to help. I'm not an expert, but I've been there plenty of times during Dec and my brother lives in Manhattan

Well it's gonna be a war in my family

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Anyone thinking about making the trip to NYC? As a lifelong Yankees fan this is pretty much my dream!

We may go, but would likely fly, not drive, so no ride from Winston even if we do - sorry...

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

If we go, we'd fly as well. Perfect use for frequent flyer miles!

I like how the Hokies are going to the Yankees' bowl, while uva gets shipped up to the Red Sox field.

These are some of the lamest bowl selections possible given the available teams. Completely wasting App and Louisiana on the 2nd and 3rd best CUSA teams, UTSA and SDSU have to play each other. We gotta play Maryland. Pretty lame all around