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I wish I knew. I have done so much due that I am out of dilligence.

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I just hope we find out tomorrow.

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

I realize that it might it might make a difference with who is available and with the recruits, but I can wait a few days and soak in the glory in last night's win.

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What's the word on Brent Pry (PSU DC and former VT grad asst)? Some people speculated on him early on but haven't heard much since. I think he seems like a very intriguing candidate. Good recruiter and we poach a good coach from the enemy. Have we ruled him out?

Reality is we don't know. What little bread crumbs come through has so far been bad info. Maybe it's Campbell. It's Houston. Chadwell interviewed. Maybe we're talking to Huff. No one knows, except Whit and some very close people to Whit. Paywall on 247 claims the search is over, but don't really know.

We will know when Whit pulls the trigger.

In the meantime, I'm all for Holmon Wiggins making a return to Blacksburg.

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No thanks. I want nothing to do with that place.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I enjoyed the title of the thread on Reddit - Coaching Carousel Part II: The Search for More Money.

.... this is the most perfectly written thing I've ever seen on this site

what is the VT football subreddit?

There isn't really one as far as I've seen.

Nah, just r/CFB

They're on part 3 now.

.... this is the most perfectly written thing I've ever seen on this site

Link to part III:
Bring Out Your Dead

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

OT: But this joke is the most prescient joke in Spaceballs, with Star Wars being sold Disney and them pumping out some......supbar movies.

Compared to episodes 1-3, I'll happily watch any of episodes 7-9, Solo, Rogue 1, The Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Clone Wars, Rebels, or Bad Batch. Getting the franchise out of George Lucas' clutches is the best thing that's happened.

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You right. Rogue One, Rebels, Mandalorian, and last season or The Clone Wars is my favorite Star Wars content since 1983

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie in my opinion.

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No matter who we get I sincerely hope JC stays on staff. The love he has been getting from current and former players on top of his love for all things VT tells me he'll work his bag off to make us great again. His quote about crawling on his hands and knees to get an opportunity at VT makes you want to run through a wall for him.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I have a message in with a very good friend on the ECU staff... haven't heard back yet.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Is his name "Mike?"

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Wonder if his last name is a city in Texas?

If we snag ECUs coach, instead of making a change to right the ship, it'll feel more like making a change for the sake of making a change.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

ECU's coach won titles at JMU, got ECU competitive after taking over a dumpster fire. He's a good coach, just unproven at the P5 level.

Get him the right staff and I'll feel pretty good if it's Mike Houston.

I've got a bunch of friends that followed football at JMU. They LOVED Houston and were sad to see him go. Said he was a hell of a motivator, and the players and fans loved him. We would absolutely have to put a very good staff behind him, but I think we could do worse.

My biggest worry about Houston is that he won with Everett Withers guys and infrastructure (but he sustained it to his credit.) But, he is a name that most of the fanbase is going to WTF right off the bat and make it tough to get momentum. Plus, does he have a ready to go transfer QB and defensive guys to bring with him?

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Houston is a "meh" hire in my opinion. The one plus to hiring him is that we may set ECU back 3 or 4 years.

I'm hopeful that we can hit the home run and hire Campbell (which looks a little more unlikely), but Pry looks intriguing. Nobody else out there really moves the needle for me.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I'm fine with the announcement next week

Since ECU is in the military bowl, you guys think we should play them?

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Hell no.

Us or UVA probably. I assume it's us unless an earlier bowl takes us first

OT: I think VT vs USCe would make a good Mayo Bowl in Charlotte.

Yes, it's a good storyline.

you guys think we should play [ECU]?

Me to ECU:

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Got to admit I am jealous of USC and Florida tonight. They executed Big Dog moves with Riley and Napier. That must feel awesome to have the swag to just dictate the market.

I hope I am wrong and I hope I have to eat crow but I have the feeling Whit is about to announce a "meh" hiring.

Edit I should have never doubted Whit and I am indeed eating crow.


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Man I get it and I appreciate your counter point. If we do get a "meh" hiring announcement I will certainly still support and hope that it is a Mike Young situation.

Part of my issue is just coming to terms that when I take my O&M glasses off I can see that we are not as big a dog as I thought.

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Honestly, I do feel a little bit humbled by this search as to where we stand in the fight. I know we're never on the USC/ND/Bama tier, but it feels like we've slipped into a half tier down from where we were. Call it 2.5 or 3.5 based on how you rank us. I understand Whit's cone of silence, but I don't think it's necessarily helping to ease any of our concerns as fans.

Regardless of who it is, we'll need to support them as much as we can.

I had to come to that realization when I married an SEC alum that is a huge fan of college football and got to watch Hershel Walker play on Saturdays as a student. I don't think he was very aware of us until 99 (apparently true for lots of folks outside the ACC echo chamber). I thought we were pretty big time when we met and we did go to the Bama game in 09? In ATL. Seeing him get excited about us was so great and it's been hard to watch the slide since then. Just hoping we haven't lost ALL the momentum/respect we had from other coaches during the Beamer era.

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Mike Young was only a "meh" hire for people that don't know basketball. He was the best realistic option at the time. I'm a big Cronin fan and I think he was available but we could never compete with ucla in a million years for him. Mike Young was the best one in reach for a team with realistic goal of competing for top 4 in acc

Let's hope Whit makes the best realistic hire for football too, but I have no clue who that would be

I like mike young but everyone seriously needs to be in wait and see mode.

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Napier is a good hire and UF deserves credit, but calling it a big dog hire is a bit of an overstatement. He is the top up and coming head coach, which is the same thing people said about Fuente when VT hired him.

Lincoln Riley is a top 10 coach and was with a top 10 program. That's a big dog move.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Yeah. If anything UF got big-dogged by Napier hype and his agent.

Is it possible that Fuente dropped us so far into mediocrity that the guys who would have been our backup, plan C, D, E guys are now the ones who are the "realistic hire"?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.


We didn't get Billy "Cornelsen" Napier.

There are plenty of good names still out, current HCs or Assistants.

Well, Fuente didn't help...but let's be honest, there have been systemic issues with VT Football.

There was definitely an air of complacency during the later Beamer years but it goes even higher than the Head Whistle.

We were already falling behind in funding, Recruiting, Traning/medical staff, and support staff.

That's why a guy like Napier had such appeal...he would look at the program like an Organization and build it from the top down. Fuente wanted to be a CEO type but ultimately had very poor skills to do so--poor communication, inability to retain talent both players and coaches, ect.

I don't know who exactly we will end up with but they have a significant burden of work ahead of them.

When I found out Napier had a bigger staff than Fuente I became very reluctant to believe he'd cone to Blacksburg. He can staff up UF in a day where it would take time to expand VT. And at UF there are people that are in those rolls that can stay and know what to do. At VT it would be a shit show to bring in 20 new people and get them acquainted with things all at the same time.

The fact that Napier had a bigger staff at ULL than Fuente had at VT tells you all you need to know about VT right now.

So...we're not doing phrasing anymore??

We put the K in Kwality

maybe it tells us more about Fuente's approach to running a successful program relative to Napier's. Loyal to his guys, keep it in-house, and run a tight ship with a close crew of people personally trusted as individuals and friends outside of their ability to do a job at a high level.

not saying that VT is all fine and dandy and will jump to a 30 person support staff overnight, but i think it's tough to entirely parse what we've seen from who we've seen in decision making positions

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

There's enough data to indicate a small potatoes approach that is bigger than just the hfc.

if you're referring to something in specific i'm not catching it

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

How about the way the first home game operated? How about we're in year seven? And we're just now getting financial support to supposedly "take football seriously?" How about taking three years to pull the trigger on Fuente? After consecutive recruiting classes at the bottom of the ACC. How about getting played by baylor and Sports Illustrated?

and you haven't even mentioned the nike deal he signed on day 1

Onward and upward

He had to sign that deal. It had already been negotiated and agreed upon by Weaver before he resigned and left only the signature up to Whit. Had we backed out, it would have torched our reputation in those circles, which at the time appeared to be a non-starter. (though, now we know just how bad it really is, might not have been the end of the world to rip it up, but you don't do that as your first act as a new AD).

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You can't risk having no uniform contract.

But I'm sure hoping the next one gets competed with a different uniform company.

I don't mind if its Nike as long as they are willing to give us the market rate they give for their other Tier 2 schools. No more discounts, and bring our merchandise supply up to the standards of everyone else.

And, while we're at it, I would not be opposed to Whit taking on the deal with the pathetic attempt of Fanatics at running HokieShop.

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I agree with your first paragraph.

Don't know anything about the second.

They haven't updated our site since 2019. They don't have a formal splash page when you choose VT on their drop down like they do for just about every other P5 school.

Its bad

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Not even simple changes like updating the "Get ready for the #### season". It's kind of sad.

appreciate the follow up. I can see the argument for taking three years to move on from Fuente being small potatoes. I think my stance is that the lagging financial support, poor recruiting classes, sports illustrated article about a poisonous locker room, and baylor dalliance (and who knows if he really got an offer or not) all point to a small-potatoes coach who doesn't know what he doesn't know and didn't know how to "be the tip of the spear" (since we're talking in comparison to Napier) for an entire program -- inspire, facilitate, and advocate for growth of the program on the field and off. Although I do agree that Sands has a vision for the university that clearly has other priorities, i'm not sure it's necessarily a small potatoes vision for football.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yep. Buzz asked Whit for the biggest staff in the ACC and got it. There were far more civilian clothes in the hoops team picture than uniforms

Fuente or not, the job is a lot less attractive now because we haven't been winning notable/big games- starting with the Danny Coale game. I'd argue that Bud Foster prepared a masterpiece and the offense and ST shit the bed. Should have blown Michigan out on national TV. We had a great win in Columbus- rare for ANY team to win there, and then of course we promptly lose to EC fucking U again. Clemson has gone light years past us and we are now a middle of the pack ACC team. That is not an attractive job for a big coach regardless if its VT/Wake/NC State/UNC/UVA- Brian Kelly is not taking any one of those jobs.

I don't think it's a better job than when Fuente took it, but I also think it's an excellent opportunity for a P5 coordinator to move to a P5 coach.

And easier on our pocketbook, while preserving funds for his coordinators.

Still a winnable conference, still have a football tradition at VT, still have Lane Stadium and a commitment to football.

If there isn't an announcement or some kind of news tomorrow, its either because we have our guy and he's coaching next week or we don't have a guy yet. If its the former, it would make sense if its a HC, but not so much if its a coordinator. It's pretty routine for coordinators to be announced/linked to a HC job and still finish out the season at their current spot. Saban's staff seems touch and go on this. Some he's let announce before title games, others after so if its Bill O'Brien, we could be in for a wait. I don't see any reason why ND would be such a stickler about not letting Freeman announce either.

Some people are saying we've had our guy for a little while now but I'm not sure I buy that given what's transpired. We were close on Napier, national writers confirmed, but he turned us down when Florida came open. Florida came open a week ago. So timeline wise, we couldn't have had "our guy" until like last Monday or Tuesday since we were in on Napier. So the timeline doesn't really line up. So if we did lock someone up that wasn't Napier, its been within the last couple of days and came together. There's no reason to wait if its a person who doesn't have games left.

What national writer confirmed that we were close on Napier?

I don't recall seeing anything that definitive.

Feldman and Godfrey.

Well if he have our guy he's likely coaching in one of the conference championship games. So maybe BOB or Freeman? Otherwise I feel like there'd be indications of a hire right about now

I went to Freeman HS, so this potential hire was meant to be!

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I dated girls from Freeman HS...

He's not my type.

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so are you another West End brat?

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Yup, from Glen Allen. Hermitage Class of '05

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I was in two Vo.Tech courses where people came from different schools and I feel pretty confident that either in my Criminal Justice or EMT class, there was a guy from Freeman with a similar name to that.

Other than that, I can't think of who that would be unless I had their full name.

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He would've been a classmate of yours at Hermitage. Also wrestled for them.

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yep, I am pretty sure I know who you're talking about now.

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Hermitage Class of '06 here... small world!

I am 98% sure I know who you are based on your username.....

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Remember how Macho Harris beat the snot out of everyone else in the Region? He sure did against us at Freeman. I was so glad he said yes to Frank.

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Didn't every high school male in Richmond Metro area?

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Freeman is at ND, no conference championship game.

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Exactly. That why I don't see a reason why ND would be holding it up if it were him. I suppose they could see if they are in the playoffs but its not like wouldn't coach in those games either way.

I've got it on good authority, we're getting this up-and-comer

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That mustache takes me back to the way too early 90s.

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Boo. This.

He couldn't coach an O-Line in the ACC - how in the hell is he going to manage a whole team???

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Newsome got his start in coaching the fall after graduating from Emory & Henry at recently-closed Ervinton High School

I graduated from Ervinton and was aware of Newsome's coaching "prowess" prior to most here.

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He was our Coach at Kecoughtan High School (Hampton) back in the 90's.

You bastard. Last time someone posted that jokingly on this site, he got a job don't manifest it.

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Godfrey just threw out a new name on the patreon. He's been right about almost everything else so it'll be interesting to see if he nails this as well

I wish Godfrey would've mentioned why he thinks we haven't announced yet.

I think the key word here is new.

Godfrey said Brett Pry. I could get really pumped about this. I've been banging this drum for a while, gave up when I saw that Whit only targets HCs.

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That would be intriguing - Pry has a decent amount of experience recruiting VA (he's listed as the secondary recruiter for Devyn Ford along with some other names in recent years).

I'm not opposed to hiring coordinators, so glad to see that Whit hasn't just narrowed the pool to guys with head whistle experience.

EDIT: Didn't even realize Pry had been a grad assistant at VT in the mid 90s, so that's cool that there's already a connection there.

That would be a reasonably inspired choice.

So it sounds like Whit.

Oh another Brent to come in and move the needle on a VT sport

(add if applicable) /s

I'm happy as long as the needle is moving in the right direction.

This morning ESPN's Adam Rittenberg mentioned Pry as a name to watch for us. I wonder if he got this from Godfrey or the same source, or is there actual smoke (oops, almost said buzz instead of smoke) around his candidacy.

Wait, what?

Could be, or he could be vetting candidates for us. He did work with Huff at PSU.

He did but he also said Dave Doeren. I could see how someone who doesn't watch a lot of football would think that's a ninja move to hire him. I guess only State fans know how bad he really is

You mean the only coach at NC State that has three nine win seasons? Dave would be a hell of a get in that he recruits, has a personality that would click well with VT culture, and the ceiling is higher at VT than NC State.

He's also not afraid to make changes to the staff when warranted.

His trajectory so far is a little reminiscent of the early Beamer years here. Not saying he'll have the same kind of success, but they're slowly improving and raising the floor. Eventually, they could break through and absolutely would be problematic for a team like us if they do because their successes in recruiting (much like UNC) would come at our expense.

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He would get eaten alive at tech by the fans and the media. Personality does not fit Tech, he's more monotone and timid than Fuente. Go back and look at his winning seasons, he has only a handful of decent wins and a ton of losses in winnable games

I follow NC State probably more than you do because I live in Raleigh and attend a lot of their games. His personality is way better then Fuente. He is not timid at all. He is not intimidated by media, he has to constantly fight for fair coverage here in Raleigh and nationally.

I don't think you understand the history of NC State Football, historically a .500 team. He's had two bad years, the first year where Tom O'Brien left him with absolutely nothing to work with QB and defense wise, and a couple of years ago when they were decimated by injury.

Otherwise, he's put State in bowls, and has out performed what historically NC State coaches do at NC State. NC State has put guys in the NFL who were not heavily recruited.

He's also eaten VTs lunch with head to head recruiting battles. There's a lot of talent on these past NC State rosters that would have been at VT. Again, everyone points at UNC as the big problem for VT recruiting wise, but NC State has won more recruiting battles head to head the last 9 years with Doeren and his staff consistently out recruiting VT.

This is all probably a moot point anyway because I'm sure Dave's name was leaked by his agent. If you think VT doesn't spend enough on football support staff and recruiting, you should check out NC State's budget.

From RTD:

Hokies: $99.2M
NC State: $86.6M

Hokies: $21.8M
NC State: $15.1M

Hokies: $19.2M
NC State: $23.5M

FB Assistant Salaries:
Hokies: $4.9M
NC State: $4.3M

FB Support Staff Salaries:
Hokies: $2.3M
NC State: $3M

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Sorry dude, I live in Raleigh too and nobody really loves Dave. He clearly has a ceiling of 8-9 wins, and that was severely underachieving in 2017 with Bradley Chubb, Nyheim Hines, etc.

VT would not be a huge step up for him, and we don't have the additional resources to make him look any better than he does at State.

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I went to NC State and go to 3+ games a year. Also live in Raleigh. I'm well aware of State's history and what they've done while he's here lol.

He only has two years that are somewhat impressive: 2018 and 2021. And in both we lost multiple winnable games (Wake and Syracuse; and Wake and Miami).

2017 could have been great, but the NFL defensive line and talented secondary was wasted with Dave Huxtable at DC. (It was clear Huxtable was a problem since 2015. He wasn't let go until 19 after the 4-8 year.)

I will give you recruiting, but that pitch is a whole lot easier for Raleigh than it is for Blacksburg (although Tech's has been better by star ratings). His staff is solid and he's made some great hires (sup Charlie Wiles and Brian Mitchell), but it took him a long time to get them right.

Now with decent talent and finally a good staff in place, he STILL can't beat Mississippi State, Miami, or Wake on the road (and was a miracle away from losing to UNC). Next year Clemson is back as top dog, and we probably lose to UNC and a building FSU + Louisville as well. I'm afraid it's going to be 2 bowl season, 1 losing season purgatory for NC State as long as Doeren's there.

As someone who lives in Raleigh, I feel like I'm watching a Thanksgiving dinner argument unfold in real time.

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Lol everyone has their opinion, I'm a little higher on the guy than most it appears.

bro how on earth are you anti-doeren but pro-fuente lol

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Haven't been pro Fuente since WVU lol.

Fuente had more difficult schedules than Doeren and never went 4-8. Recruiting classes were better star wise. Otherwise their resumes are pretty similar. Can't see how we'd go from firing one to hiring the other.

(?sleeper Doeren TKP account?)

User name checks out.

I'm just a regular dave, not a head coach Dave

Sounds like something a head coach fishing for a new job would say...

NC State had a decent season this year and the 2017 and 2018 seasons were pretty good but once you get past that it's a whole lot of meh. The OOC scheduling outside of 2018 season was pretty weak too with no P5 opponents in most years. Is he a better coach than Fuente? Yes. Noticeably better? Not really

Moot point because it ain't gonna happen...but would he bring Wiles with him?

Why wouldn't he? And honestly, if it did happen, if I were Whit, I'd make a point of making sure he did.

Fuente is the one who didn't want him. By helping to bring him back, it helps promote a feeling that we are getting back to recapturing the soul of VT football, or at least that's how they would be able to easily spin it.

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That would mean Whit didn't eliminate half of the coaching pool off hand like he did last time. It had to be an "offensive" coach. I hope we are actually looking at all candidates this time.

One silver lining - most of us are at least not really surprised about Napier choosing Florida over us, but I cannot imagine how angry and shocked OU fans must be about getting big-dogged by USC

Especially when you look and see that they have 4 I think absolute stud commits from Southern California that are about to jump ship with Riley

VT '17

I, for one, am giddy watching the SEC move backfire on OU and UT

Danny is always open

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We're just waiting for Tampa Bay to wrap up the season so we can hire BRUCCCEEEEEEE

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I would happily take his OC

In a split second.

I came here hoping for another 730AM news drop but there is nothing.

Well if you're keeping a list there kind of is haha. You can probably cross off Mike Houston and Chadwell. Add Brent Pry and Dave Doeren

I would be onboard with Pry. Great coach, could get back to that hard-nosed defensive identity. Connections to VA as he graduated high school in Lexington and was a GA under Bud in the 90s. Obviously very familiar with recruiting VA at PSU and has put a ton of guys in the league. Hire a stud OC and build out a solid staff and I'm good.

Pry seems to check a lot of boxes so I'm cautiously optimistic that if he were to become our coach it would be a good hire.

Having said that, much like Bill O'Brien, I hear so many complaints up here about any coach associated with PSU not named Moorhead that I'm skeptical of all of them.

has there been chadwell news? why can we cross him off?

i am still hoping for him. get him an experienced DC/staff, and expand our recruiting operation (we need this no matter who the next coach is), and i think he would be a great hire for us

Bruce Feldman confirmed he had interviewed a few days ago and saw a tweet he put out on Friday he was still a name he'd heard

Steven Godfrey said on his podcast some comment about Chadwell backing himself into a corner at Coastal in some way - something about his personality and the culture hes building there - I dont really know what he meant by that, but I got the sense he was saying Chadwell isnt for every AD.

Its a good listen SplitZoneDuo

I think he was specifically mentioning that in terms of the Duke job. But, it's quite possible it's happening elsewhere like VT.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I just have a nagging feeling that CCU -> VT is a bigger jump than Memphis -> VT, and thanks to Fuente I am gun-shy on that.

However, as I think more on it, I realize Fuente's doom was tied to his undying bro-love to Cornelsen. So maybe Chadwell would be smarter and get the right coordinators for the job. But I would still be very skeptical until there were years of consistency & improvement. Not one flash in the pan year of success like with Fuente.

So I don't do all the rumors or all of the speculation on the hire. I don't know enough about hiring football coaches to know who is and who isn't a good hire. So what I do is wait till Whit tells me who he hired and then I do my research and figure out my position. I'll support them till I can see that they aren't good for the job. So it would be super nice if Whit could help me in the matter of who to go look at.

I'm okay with Pry...obviously a lot of unknowns, but that Penn St D has been great under him. Hopefully he has some inroads state wise as Penn St has been recruiting well in Va. the last few years.

So he's responsible for the Great Devyn Ford meltdown of 2018? Nice...

I'd love for someone with recruiting prowess in Virginia to end up at Virginia Tech.

What a novel concept.

Amen. Look at the names retired at Lane. Look no further. If we dominate Va recruiting, we can win the ACC more often than not.

It all comes down to the recruiting staff he can put together and the OC he can bring in. Also comes down to whether he runs the defense or delegates that to someone else (as Fuente did with Cornelson here).

I just don't like the idea of going with a coordinator because you don't know how they're going to run a program. They might have the right ideas on paper, but it all comes down to execution, and we've been burned badly by a guy who said the right things but couldn't act on any of them.

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one of the things i am really curious about, once the new coach is hired, is how our recruiting department will look. how many position do we have open? 2? beau's and leah's? hire their replacements, and add a few more hopefully? whoever we hire better be negotiating that with whit, we need a much better recruiting operation

are we still stuck with Mete Porris or will we get rid of him too? I, for one, CANNOT WAIT until that clown is gone

Onward and upward

He's like the rodeo clown who keeps the attention off the important guy, when that becomes necessary.

nobody else has a rodeo clown. I don't want him. Get him the f*** outta here

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The guy who he was attached to is gone.

So yeah.

Maybe he's a cornman

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I was thinking more of Fuente, but hopefully Corn and Pete are on the same bus out of town.

I'd pay for their plane ticket

2 bare bones non refundable coach seats on Spirit. And let them pay for their bags at the gate.

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I would prefer to have a staff who doesn't need the rodeo clown, but maybe thats just me

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Realistically speaking, we need an entire recruiting department if we want to compete at the highest of levels (or really, even consistently contend for the ACC). We are so far away from being on an equal footing recruiting wise to even the 2nd tier teams that it will absolutely take a massive overhaul to bring us up to speed.

And right now is the time to do it.

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No real surprises here, but Mike Barber sums up the current list of targets/possibilities.

Have not written him off
Hell no

Is Matt Campbell officially off the board?

If the next head coach hasn't been signed yet, there's a problem.

Raises more questions about Babcock's ability to steward a Power 5 program with championship expectations.

Or, perhaps it is a reality check to those "championship expectations".

Would you like Prys with that?

Raises more questions about Babcock's ability to steward a Power 5 program with championship expectations.

Are you kidding? Has more to do with four top-12 jobs being open.

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And it's not even noon on the first Monday of the cycle

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

He could have easily pulled the plug last year and had far less competition.

yep. Everything was there for him to fire him last year. He should have. This headache that he's dealing with now is his own fault.

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Still think he got the Lucy van Pelt / Charlie Brown treatment last year, so I kind of disagree.

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I mean, it couldn't have had anything to do with a global pandemic that caused an extremely unique season. While I don't think firing him then would have been the best of ideas, there should have been some stern stipulations attached.

Do you really think he could have "easily" pulled the plug last year? Looking from the outside in, it's pretty clear that he tried to, but 1 of 3 things happened:

  1. He got overruled by university leadership
  2. He didn't have the money
  3. His candidate pulled out last minute

Unless you know something that the rest of us don't, I don't know how you could say that Whit should've 'just pulled the plug last year'

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He didn't have the money

This continues to be a self perpetuated narrative by TKP commenters. If Whit didn't have the money then why would he explicitly go out of the way to state he did have the money in the 2020 press conference. Don't tell me a it was lie because why not just skirt the issue then?

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I mean in the presser where he announced Fuente's "totally not being fired" mutual separation, he outright said that our financial problems are a false narrative he wishes would die.

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Exactly, that too

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First of all, even if you ignore the money issue, there's still 2 really rational reasons for not being able to fire Fuente last year.

But let's go down the money road...

  • Maybe Whit was lying in his press conference
  • Maybe he had the money to fire Fuente, but not enough money to make attractive offer to an attractive new candidate

I don't know the answer for sure. I personally believe the second bullet: Whit wanted to be able to make a compelling offer (top 25 comp for the entire staff) to an incoming coach, and didn't believe that was possible given our financial position at the end of the 2020 season. I think that, had we been able to roll out the Reach for Excellence campaign earlier, that Fuente would've been released early. But again, this is my interpretation based on publicly available information. Nothing but speculation.

All that said, I don't think that Whit is infallible, but I do think his decision making process is sound (based on (a) his past hires, and (b) what industry insiders say), and that he tends to make the best decision based on the information available at the time. That's really all you can ask of a leader.

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The other two bullets in original post are fine. Just don't understand why we seem to ignore what Whit (the person who truly knows) says in a publicly recorded press conference. Money was not a factor in the decision so both your new bullets are still calling him a liar.

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Whit had the money, a candidate backed out last minute, I guarantee it.

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Regardless of how all these bullet points turn out to be true or false, the buck still stops at Whit:

  • He accepted the responsibility and the burden by accepting the job as AD at VT. He didn't inherit these problems.
  • He was quick to pull the trigger on extending Fuente's contract with less than favorable terms (in hindsight)
  • He's been at the helm of athletics while certain missteps have occurred that left a bad taste in the mouth's of many donors who probably aren't donating anymore
  • If Whit needs $10 million to fire Fuente and another $6 million (not based on fact, just a number I'm guessing) to hire a "good" replacement, it's ultimately his job to know how and where to make that happen. If he can't, then he should stop lying to Hokie Nation and flat out say "Money is the problem. I can't work with my hands financially tied." But no, he comes out last December and says money wasn't the problem. That's on him.
  • He's let football run pretty much hands off (at least that is how he portrays it to the public) up until last Dec, which is far longer than most would have expected. He can't put all the responsibility on the football program and not expect any of it to bubble up to him (and nor should any fan/donor)

I say all this not with the point that we should get rid of Whit, but the man has to be accountable for his actions and decisions. And we should be able to call him out if they don't work out. It' the business. You, as the CEO, the president, the director, etc. can make all the unpopular decisions you want. But at the end of the day, you have to stand by them and explain yourself.

This is.... an interesting take.

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I'm not sure where your comment falls on the "Interesting take...in a good way" to the "Interesting take...crazy person" scale. But I should add on that I mean all the above in that the guy is an employee with a job to do. And the big one at VT is managing the football program. It's the iPhone of Apple.

I like A LOT of what Whit has done for VT. But there are also things where I'm not seeing the proof in the pudding that he's maximizing our cash cow. And I think it is fine for Hokie fans (the shareholders) calling him out on it.

More like the shareholders have Tesla dreams, while coming up short on the donation side.

I think it has gotten better under Whit, but we need to either contribute more or check our expectations.

The more I think about it, the more I think Whit wasn't going to fire Fuente last year. I watched the end of season presser. A lot of people had the take that Whit was told he had to keep Fuente or money got pulled for the buyout based on his body language. If you take everything he said at face value, he called the conference because he wanted to address the fans and tell them his rationale for supporting Fuente. Honestly, I don't know how anybody looks at last season's results and can accurately view any coach's performance. You don't know how many starters anybody was missing in any game, how much practice any team got compared to others, etc. I know we had a walk on playing LB I think it was in like 3 games. We didn't get Caleb Farley back only because of COVID. So much was wonky last year. But I do think the reason Whit met with Fuente was to talk expectations. In the professional world, I'd call it a performance improvement plan (PIP), which was kinda notice that if things didn't improve, he'd likely be shown the door. Things didn't improve and Fuente is gone.

Another point that stuck out to me is that Whit said he's a coach's AD. To me that means that everything is up to the coach (so no way was he going to fire Corny). At the same time, that means the coach is also accountable for all the results and unless the coach makes changes (like fire Corny), the HC will be the one to go. To some extent that may be a selling point of ours compared to other schools - granted I don't know how many other ADs tell the coaches who they have to fire, but clearly he won't.

That SHOULD help with the coaching search.

I think VT is an attractive place for a football coach. But as we've noticed, there are a lot of job openings this year.

It's funny how the business model has changed, as every school seems to have ridiculous expectations. The only two levers seem to be "pay the head coach too much" and "fire him".

Yeah, good point on the two options.

I've said it before on here - money and the SEC aren't going to automatically be the number 1 preferences for all coaches. I think Tech does have a lot going for it, just depends on what each candidate is looking for.

I think we probably have one of the easiest paths to the playoffs out of just about any school out there unless Bama, Georgia, Clemson, or Ohio State jobs open up. There's no divisions in the Big 12, so you'd be likely to face the conference champ at least once before the conference championship, meaning you'd likely have to play the toughest other team twice in a year (regular season and championship game), plus any other top teams. The Big 10 has all the toughest teams in the East division, but then all the tier 2 teams are in the West, so maybe a Big 10 west Division team would be most comparable to the path a coach would have for the playoffs. The SEC is just tough in general. The PAC-12 is largely irrelevant, so maybe there, so maybe just getting one of those teams relevant? But you almost have to go undefeated there.

For awhile, we were constantly ranked as one of the toughest stadiums to play in. We travel well, we have good facilities. While we want to get in the hunt for a national championship, we don't expect it. As above, Whit is a coach's AD, and if the stuff he's said about wanting the money issue theme to die, he may be very willing to grow a support staff if the coach can recommend and implement it. Whit did just get all sort of football related incentives in his contract, so it's very much in his interest to get us performing at a high level.

If this were happening in a vacuum I'd be more inclined to agree with you. Too many other flags for me to not wonder though.

What flags? You can't just say "too many flags" and not define them. Otherwise, this is just another episode of Fun with Flags, and I don't think I can take another one.

Would you like Prys with that?

Yeah, I don't see "too many other flags".

He hired Buzz - good for us at the time
He hired Mike Young - seems to be a good hire, but still early.
Landed a huge donation to upgrade the nutrition center and other shared athletic facilities.
There are more, but I am too lazy to look up the other hires he's made in other sports that are successful.

announced the renovation plans for Cassell
renovated English Field
Announced and implemented the Drive for 25 fundraising campaign
not to mention the hires in at least women's basketball, baseball, and soccer that have brought those teams to a nationally competitive state as well as keeping wrestling at a high performing state.

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Thanks - he also launched the women's golf team which made the NCAA championship this past year I believe.

Which is shocking.

I don't have many insider sources when it comes to college athletics, but the one area where I used to know a little bit was golf. We had a lot of talent in the Raleigh area when I was growing up, which attracted a lot of high profile coaches and trainers, and the one thing that I always heard was that it would be impossible for Virginia Tech to ever find a footing in men's or women's golf because the climate just doesn't allow you to play and practice as much as you need to be competitive.

The fact that we were able to get our program up and running and actually competitive as quickly as we did is legitimately shocking.

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Fans really don't understand, and I cannot state this enough, the complacency of Jim Weaver.

He was ready to let wrestling go when Brands left with the Iowa wrestlers.

He only cared about football, and marginally gave a shit about basketball after realizing, oh hey we're in the ACC, and the fans like basketball.

He turned down the SEC.

And there's so much more. But it's all in the past now. Whit is a solid shot in the arm, and he's done a fantastic job. I'm happy to have him as our AD.

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His performance in Olympic sports has been excellent.

Fundraising has been decent, still a ways to go but marked improvement.

Football hasn't been great, to say the least.

Probably beating a dead horse, but I think it's fair to say he screwed up the hiring of Fuente by not getting Dickey and/or Odom. Maybe less so on Odom since he retained Bud, but either way, he should have been able to figure out that Fuente wasn't going to be successful without his coordinators.

Several under performing programs have fired assistants/coordinators and kept the HC. Why wasn't that done here?

Not to mention several other issues that may or not be fair to criticize him for as I'm not sure how involved he is in day to day management of the program (but its his show so the buck stops at his desk!):

1) COVID management
2) Off the field issues
3) Poor marketing of the team
4) Pete freaking Moris
5) Assistant & Support staff salaries

Whit has a poor record of football coaching hires, and if he screws this one up he'll be out on his ass. It may not even be his fault after getting left at the altar last year and having to compete with LSU, OU, USC, and UF this year but his seat will get hot if this next guy isn't a success.

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Not to mention several other issues that may or not be fair to criticize him for as I'm not sure how involved he is in day to day management of the program (but its his show so the buck stops at his desk!):

1) COVID management
2) Off the field issues
3) Poor marketing of the team
4) Pete freaking Moris
5) Assistant & Support staff salaries

Whit has a poor record of football coaching hires, and if he screws this one up he'll be out on his ass. It may not even be his fault after getting left at the altar last year and having to compete with LSU, OU, USC, and UF this year but his seat will get hot if this next guy isn't a success.

At a certain point, all of that falls on the coach and not the AD, unless you want the Athletic Director to micromanage every aspect of every program in the department. That just doesn't make sense, so you have to rely on your head coaches to lead their programs and do the right thing. And quite frankly, good luck hiring anyone else good to coach your programs if you are the kind of AD who gets involved and makes moves to directly impact the 5 bullet points above.

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That's fair. But what about football resources and operations management? I'm not ready to bury Babcock yet but I'm starting to wonder why Virginia Tech is just so far behind its peers. And I don't think these are sensational questions to be asking about an enterprise as significant as the VTAD.

That's fair. But what about football resources and operations management?

We renovated English Field. We just announced a $50m renovation to Cassell. The Drive for 25 is going well. We hired Buzz Williams to a Top 10 salary in basketball when he came in, and allowed Mike Young to go out and hire the absolute best recruiting staff he could find, and Whit himself has repeatedly stated that the financial problems are a "false narrative I wish would die". At a certain point, it definitely sounds like the reason our budget wasn't higher is that he wasn't given a reason to make it higher. Which points squarely back on the fact that Fuente might not have been fully prepared to run a P5 program.

Put it this way, we certainly haven't been acting like a program with the financial issues that everyone claims we have. Hell, we just paid Fuente $8.75m to not coach us next year.

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Yeah I don't think your analysis is bad on any of that. I just think the AD should know that if his football program isn't keeping pace with its peers (and in VT's case not even keeping pace with past performance) then there is something wrong. And taking three years to address it seems like too long to me. If one of my direct reports is noticeably failing to meet expectations and my response to my customer is, "he never asked for more resources" the egg is still on my face. I also don't think it's true that more resources weren't requested. Wasn't that the reason we didn't hire Odom? Wasn't that why Fuente met with Baylor? I'm just not convinced Whit has been the messiah some think he's been wrt football. Something doesn't add up.

But it sounds like you're assuming Whit either: a) should go and become the expert and hire all the support staff HE thinks are necessary to be competitive; or b) went to Fuente asked what Fuente needed and said "sorry, can't give you that." If he asked Fuente what he needed to be successful, and Fuente said 3 more recruiting staff, and Whit said "you sure? That's all you need?" And Fuente responded that's all he needed and Whit gave him those 3 staff - that's on Fuente (or you assume a) above, which Fuente may not even know how to use).

That's the reason I think so many people want a coach that has experience in a big time program, to see how large staffs are used and be able to tell Whit what he needs to make Tech's program competitive with the big dogs. Having one guy as the recruiting lead with everything in his head should have been thing #1 Fuente changed, but it wasn't.

I mean, Fuente tried to hire Odom, couldn't, then promptly met with Baylor - if not to leave for a "better job in every way" (or whatever the quote was) then to leverage Whit for more resources.

I'm just assuming "a)" was sarcasm.

Agreed, he can't micromanage the day to day but when his direct report is failing in multiple of those categories over several years it reflects poorly upon the boss.

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After the shine of the Fuente hire and his first season wore off, Virginia Tech has a poor football record on and off the field. Period.

Hoops and olympic sports have been solid tho. I just don't see them as important as football. And even basketball exists as it does thanks to the largesse of football. Alabama basketball anybody?

In a silo maybe but with the landscape in the shape it is and the wildness, It hasn't been 2 weeks. Give him a chance to work, damn.

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Any reason Cignetti at JMU is not a consideration? I get no P5 experience but he's a proven winner

No P5 experience and he's sorta old right?

An elite level coordinator is no more of a gamble than an up and comer HC from a non power 5 school.

Pry looks like a great option. Would not be disappointed.


We need someone connected enough in the industry to attract a great OC and DC, and great recruiters.

To close on recruits. To talk to the media. To inspire the team. To lead and correct problems.

Doreen is literallly just a worse-version of Fuente who was given a longer leash. Look at his trajectory, several years in ended up with terrible recruiting classes in the 40s/50s. NCSt couldn't get rid of him so let him keep going and even when they lucked into an all NFL d-line with top-end skill talent they couldn't get over 9-wins. If this is the hire we should have saved our money and invested in staff. It would be a low-floor, low-ceiling hire that cost us millions.

Yep yep yep, they've had a way easier schedule than us over that period and still drop easy games. The only ACC team I can remember that we lost to that they beat over that stretch is 2020 Pitt and their game against us was the fluke of their season.

The difference between recruiting classes in the 40s and the 20s is nominal. You're only one or two good/bad player ratings from swapping rankings.

The difference is several 4-stars who should each be multi-year high level contributors.

Case in point, in 2020 NC State ranked 44th with two 4-stars while Kentucky ranked 25th with 7 four-stars. Which would you prefer? And over a 4 year period do you think an extra 20 4-star recruits would make a difference? I'll hang up and take your answer off the air.

I really don't like Pry. If we've missed on sure bets and have entered risky hires let's go Huff or Freeman.

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What makes you think we've missed on anyone?

Maybe we're waiting on Whit's number one candidate, who is already locked down.

Yes, I don't believe everything you read on the internet.

patting yourself on the back for not being naรฏve about one thing doesn't mean you're not naรฏve

hoping that Whit has already locked up his #1 candidate and is just waiting to announce it because they still have games to play is wishful thinking

Onward and upward

I think we're all in the wishful thinking stage at this point.

I'll believe the announcement when the "linked to" rumors get replace by the "Whit's announcing tomorrow" posts, likely from the same source.

Clawson and Napier were on Whits board according to Godfrey

Godfrey said he "thinks" we were interested in Napier and he "knows" we had interest in Clawson. He said he really only but the link to Napier in there because of the timing of Fuente's firing. That said, I would still bet we talked to Napier and had interest

What makes you think we've missed on anyone?

Probably reality at this point

I been here since day 0.

We'll know when it's announced.

Sad if it was Napier, and he jilted us for Florida, but it's certainly possible.

I'm pointing out that rumor is rumor, and if it's unsourced (to you), you don't actually know the motives of the people releasing it.

when it is ultimately announced Whit is going to say that this was his top choice. He has to. I would be shocked, and it would be a really big PR blunder, if Whit said "Well, we're hiring Coach B because Coach A wasn't available but he's the second best option!!"

Whit is going to sell the next coach regardless of whether it was, in truth, his 1st, 2nd, or 6th choice. The reality is that there are/were a bunch of huge job openings this cycle (LSU, UF, OU, USC) plus a bunch of other jobs likely to come open as the dominos start to fall. VT is not well positioned to get the best possible candidate and you're an idiot if you think otherwise. Take the O&M glasses off for a moment and look around at the landscape. Moving on from Fuente was the right decision, ultimately, but doing so at this time is just terrible, terrible fortune. We would have been in a much better position moving on from Fuente last year or two years ago. This is just a nightmare scenario that nobody could have predicted. Bad luck for us. I have faith that the next coach will be better than Fuente was but it's not guaranteed and we're absolutely not going to get Whit's top choice. Not with all the bigger fish in the same pond.

Onward and upward

The last time we did this in football, we did everything right and got the clear winner of the cycle.

And it was Fuente.

So I'm not sure this time is worse timing.

Like most choices, we're looking for the best choice for VT, which may not be the universal best choice, or the one that the pundits are pushing.

I disagree. I think Kirby Smart and Mark Richt were more coveted. Dan Mullen obviously stayed put in 2015 at Mississippi State but he was also courted for moves.

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Just checked various coaching hire grades from 2016 and Athlon gave Fuente an A+ and Smart a B+ while SI gave Fuente an A and Smart a B+. USA Today gave Fuente an A+ and Smart a B- and CBS Sports gave Fuente an A+ and Smart a B. Fuente being the best hire of the cycle was basically unanimous among major outlets/analysts. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

I'm sure those are scaled for the school. Unless you think Georgia wanted Fuente and we beat them for him

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More like we wanted Fuente, and wrapped him up.

That's different than "getting the clear winner of the cycle"

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Your hindsight is 20/20, but everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE, thought that was a home run hire at the time.

He was at or near the top of most desirable coach lists in that cycle, and widely proclaimed a good hire.

I don't think it was scaled at all. You're viewing this through the lens of what the coaches have accomplished. Smart hadn't been a HC before, so I'm guessing the outlets downgraded him for lack of HC experience. They probably thought Georgia should have pulled a HC from somewhere. Same for us - if we'd hired a coordinator then, even if they were a really good one, I'd guess we wouldn't have gotten an A/A+. Seeing some of the other grades would clue us in about how candidates were graded overall, but considering the turnaround Fuente orchestrated at Memphis, he was absolutely seen as a home run hire.

Timing I'm sure was also an issue. We "officially" announced the hire of Fuente on Nov. 29th (it had been leaked before that, during the UVA game), and UGA didn't fire/have Richt step down until the 29th. Maybe Georgia would have wanted Fuente, but we'd already hired him before their job was even open. So it's not like we were competing with them to get a coach.

Really I'm not viewing it from the journalists point of view. They know nothing. Im viewing it from the schools' points of view. Georgia has obviously reached new heights recently, but they were still a premier program in 2015 during this coaching search and they fired Mark Richt after many solid seasons and hired Kirby Smart. That same year we hired Justin Fuente.

There are two possibilities: 1) Georgia wanted Fuente and we were a more attractive destination and beat them head to head for a coach or 2) they did not want Justin Fuente and thought Kirby Smart was a better choice.

You can argue about dates when in reality the talks had likely been happening for weeks. Also, I doubt Fuentes buyout would have stopped Georgia had they really wanted him.

Which one do you think happened?

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The history of this is actually pretty clear.

VT hired Fuente before Georgia even fired Richt. So Fuente was already off the market.

If you want to go into the hearts and minds of the Georgia administration, you have to also acknowledge that they probably didn't give serious consideration to trying to hire away a coach who had already inked a deal in that very cycle. That would be more a Miami move.

when it is ultimately announced Whit is going to say that this was his top choice. He has to. I would be shocked, and it would be a really big PR blunder, if Whit said "Well, we're hiring Coach B because Coach A wasn't available but he's the second best option!!"

I can already hear the press conference now

Press: Whit, was Coach _______ your top candidate during this process, and can you shed a little light on how you came to the decision you did.

Whit: Well, obviously you go into a situation like this with a list of coaches you want to talk to. You know this isn't going to be a quick decision, and you're going to want to take your time to make sure you have found the right person. So after being able to meet with all of our interested candidates, we feel like the decision we made was the best available to put us in the best possible spot going forward. We are excited about our future with Coach _________ and look forward to everything he can do for us.

Add in some nuggets about how we are emphasizing recruiting and the experience that the coach brings to either the offense or defense and call it a day.

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If any athletic department personnel happen to be on this board, you might have just written part of Whit's opening statement.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

we're absolutely not going to get Whit's top choice. Not with all the bigger fish in the same pond.

Great. Now we are not only getting big dogged, we are also getting big fished. ๐Ÿ˜‰

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Hmm, I wonder who could have possibly predicted that this year would be a bad year to search for a coach. I definitely don't remember anyone saying last year that covid was a gift not firing him in that cycle was a huge mistake.

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How's Pry any more risky than Huff or Freeman?

I don't think he's more risky as they are all risky, but I think Huff and Freeman have a higher potential

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I think Huff and Freeman have a higher potential

Can to elaborate - especially on Freeman? What makes him 'higher protential'

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I can't elaborate much but from the ND faithful I know it seems like he's sort of the next in line guy to take over ND. Viewed as a high-potential guy but I don't know more than that.

Having said that, maybe ND pulls a Lincoln Riley move and they move Brian Kelly out and promote Freeman this offseason.

So Brian Kelly to VT confirmed. Check the flight tracker.

Did you know that Brian Kelly killed a kid? Hard pass.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

One of my long time best friends held the same job at VT at the same time that this kid held it at Notre Dame.

Blacksburg gets pretty windy too (as we all know), and Beamer had very clear rules for when video people went up on the lifts. Zero chance BK didn't know the risk of what he was doing, and he still chose to do it anyways. He literally put a college student in harms way to get an extra 90 minutes of practice footage from an additional angle.

Brian Kelly killed a kid, and should have been charged with 3rd degree murder.

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If he was coaching high school and not a prestigious university he would've done jail time. Fuck that guy

ND faithful I know it seems like he's sort of the next in line guy to take over ND.

FWIW - Brian Kelley said this in a press conference, then the ND SID flat out denied it, and Brian Kelley walked it back shortly thereafter.

If BK leaves ND, Luke Fickel is the next man up, and Cincinnati likely hires Freeman for HC.

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I cannot back it up with facts and figures which is typically your M.O. so no I won't go into it.

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Freeman has literally never worked outside of the midwest, and has never been mentored by an 'ace' recruiter. Pry has had 3 top 10 defenses (per SP+) in 6 years, has been recruiting the shit out of our backyard, and would be a huge blow to one of our biggest recruiting rivals. He's convinced 4-stars to go to Vandy.

I get the interest in Huff, but, unless you've interviewed both candidates, there's literally zero rational reason to prefer Freeman over Pry.

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Chadwell and bring McCall in the portal.

I hate the idea of Dave Doeren. He's all around okay-to-good not great. Bland as a person, Doesn't do anything innovative. He just gets top 35 talent and has top 35 teams.

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Same, hate the idea of Doeren.

My parents went to State and they have been fans of their football and basketball teams for a long time (I grew up going to State Bball and football games). My dad has been pretty vocal in his criticism of Doeren's game management, so I wouldn't be a fan of that hire either.

Also, as much as it pains me to say since Wiles had some great linemen during his tenure at Tech, I think the idea of using undersized linemen with twitch needed to be abandoned awhile ago. As people have pointed out, they weren't getting separation/penetration on some of the big linemen that we'd been seeing. And we were wanting to see larger guys who were more likely to get drafted. So I'd rather not bring Wiles back unless he's adapted to larger linemen.

We just gotta pull the trigger and get this shit done, my work productivity is suffering drastically until we do

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Yes, let's just enjoy the ride!

Get back to work in the mean time.

We have "top men" working on it.

"Who?", you ask?

Top. Men.

I don't like the way he parts his hair. 0/10. Would not hire.

"Still in the mix" doesn't sound very locked down.

This would potentially keep Ryan Smith at home.

Not smoke, but this almost materialized that he would be leaving for Penn State to join Pry at the end of the season.

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Yeah, word is Pry and Smith are buddies.

We all on the Pry train now?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Leg for Choo Choo Soul. Been a hot minute, but boy did that come right back into my sing-a-long brain from yesteryear. All aboard, all aboard, toot toot.

I need new unfounded rumors to chew on. I've already burned through the few we've had.

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

Brent Pry?

Friend with connections at PSU has heard some rumblings.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

I just finished chewing that one. I know more about Brent Pry now than his own family does.

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

TIL that he was as GA at Tech.

Hardly enough of a connection to mean much but interesting nonetheless.

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GA at Tech, coaching the DL when JC Price was playing here! There's a nice little connection and a potential way to keep him on staff (as many have said they would like)

Ooh interesting tidbit.

I *do* think JC Price should have a role here, but I'm not sure he's done enough to be the DE or DL coach? Has the DL been impressive enough to merit that? Doesn't feel like it, but not sure where else he'd fit.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Godfrey mentioned that there is some sort of connection between Pry's father and Foster but nothing specific. Maybe it was just enough to get him in the door as a GA. But given the longevity of a lot Buds staff maybe things never lined up to bring Pry back as a position coach.

It would appear his Stinespring connection got him in at tech as as GA. He played high school ball on a team that had Stinespring on staff.

CJF had to go, and no one should fault Whit if he was unsuccessful in luring his top choices to VT. Whether he missed on Napier, Clawson or another was not in his control, and would be more reflective of our VT program than on Whit. All the man can do is hire the best HC he can, and that person has to want to be the VT HC. There are others that intrigue me but I can totally support Brett Pry if that's Whits best move.

I fault him for not doing it sooner and instead doing it the year he knew there would be a log jam of higher profile schools. That was negligent and reckless.

Free Hugh

I'll give Whit this. This search has been quieter than a church mouse. There have been no real substantive leaks.

Football is a lot like life, and you're going to have disappointments. The issue is how you come back from them.

~ Frank Beamer

Yes, I would rather have this than the Tennessee dumpster fire of years past.

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BSME 2009

One theory is because there's nothing to leak

Free Hugh

Someone had to say it

I been here since day 0.

If that's the case number1 is capping super hard

After seeing the hand wringing over letting CJF go a year too late I went back and looked at the coaches that were hired before the 2021 season (essentially the pool that we would have been looking at had we let CJF go a year earlier) and I listed them below, obviously one year is too short to truly get an idea of if someone will be successful but I think its a useful exercise:

Steve Sarkisian, Texas (former OC @ Bama)
Clark Lea, Vanderbilt (former DC @ Notre Dame)
Lance Leipold, Kansas (former HC, Buffalo)
Bryan Harsin, Auburn (former HC, Boise St)
Gus Malzahn, UCF (former HC, Auburn)
Bret Bielema, Illinois (former OLB Coach, NYG)
Josh Heupel, Tennessee (former HC, UCF)
Charles Huff, Marshall (former RB Coach, Bama)
Shane Beamer, South Carolina (former AHC, Oklahoma)
Mel Tucker, Michigan St (former HC, Colorado)

We obviously don't need to litigate Shane more but the only ones on there that I am upset that we aren't in contention for now is Heupel and Tucker, its not like we missed out on all these great candidates which has reassured me a little because I was starting to have the same thoughts with all the big time openings across the country.

Edit: Tucker was hired in Feb. 2020

VT '17

Tucker was hired two years ago

My fault, I thought this was year 1 for some reason for him

VT '17

This leaves out the unknowns (ie people who may have made a move if given a particular offer, but didn't get said offer), impossible to know who may or may not have been part of that list

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

And that's fair but ultimately unknowable, we know these coaches were willing to leave their situation

VT '17

Leipold, Harsin, and Huff are the only ones on this list that I like. Huff is still available today. Harsin was never picking us over Auburn. I think Leipold is off the table for now - he seems to like rebuilds, so I don't see him leaving Kansas.

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He likes rebuilds you say? Boy do I have a deal for him!

Not much mention of Bill O'Brian when I would imagine someone takes a shot at him with all the openings.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Harrrrrd pass

Since he is on the board I'll explain with something more constructive:

People talk up his rebuild at Penn State but let's not forget he didn't actually accomplish anything there. Their best year was 8-4 and his biggest recruiting win was Hackenburg who turned out to be terrible. And it took until year 3 for Franklin to win big so it's not like Franklin won with Bill's guys. He did a solid job to dig them out of a hole but nothing spectacular.

Then his Texans tenure flamed out spectacularly after several years as the worst team to make the playoffs. I will concede that the production he got out of terrible QBs was impressive, but he never made Watson better. And while you can argue his undoing was due to his GM skills and not his coaching skills, college coaching is 75% GM (at least according to Kirby Smart). He lost the locker room and seemed to have an adversarial relationship with several high profile players. Anyone who thinks Deandre Hopkins is expendable (and not even for a 1st rounder!) is not someone who should be making football related decisions for your team.

And now that he's the Bama coordinator we are to assume he is resuscitated in a single year. But Bama cannot run the ball to save their lives this year, and their offense has faltered in big moments despite absurd talent. Yes, they've lost a lot from last year, and yes they've lit up scoreboards at times, but they haven't exceeded expectations and I'm certain even Corny could coax great production out of those players.

So in conclusion, we have a lifetime 15-9 coach, with no real track record as a recruiter, who has a history of baffling talent acquisition and management decisions, and has performed (at-best) adequately as a coordinator who is suddenly in play for top jobs. To reiterate my stance: HARD PASS.

A lot of the Bama reddit folks are more than ready for another team to take him as well. Obviously not a big factor, but something to consider.

Yeah, what about BOB! I'd be down. Plus we could rally off his chin and have "3rd and dimple" chants or whatever.

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

Godfrey mentioned him but he isn't entirely sure about it. He's heard it and it would make sense as to why we haven't announced yet (might be waiting until after SEC Title game) but hasn't heard enough to say for sure. Much less credible there's been some Bama message board folk over the last couple of weeks that have said there's mutual interests.

Maybe Dave Aranda just waiting till after the Big 12 championship game to get announced here /s

Tinfoil hat, but interesting that two planes are arriving in Blacksburg this evening around the same time from Charleston, SC...

Confirmed. It's Spurrier

We put the K in Kwality

And he's bringing his assistant coach Darius Rucker!

Hootie and the Ole Ball Coach

We put the K in Kwality

Who's in Charleston besides Bill Murray? Holy shit... are we going to hire BILL MURRAY?

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

Sounds like Chadwell is making a visit....

Makes sense...he'd go right by the Myrtle Beach airport that's 10 minutes from campus to go to Charleston

(add if applicable) /s

i didn't say Chadwell was making a visit to Blacksburg, or that he was leaving from Charleston /s

or that he's visiting for any football related reason, way to leave it open ended lol

(add if applicable) /s

Rich Rod flew into Toledo. It's possible.

Damn, I've for the most part not trying to get excited about any particular candidate for not wanting to be disappointed. Today I let myself get on the Pry bandwagon, and now feel deflated

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Guess which two universities are approximately two hours from Charleston, SC?

Coastal Carolina and South Carolina.

So clearly we're hiring Chadwell & Shane Beamer to be co-head coaches.

Coastal Carolina is next door to Myrtle Beach, SC... which has it's own airport....
And South Carolina is in Columbia, SC... which has it's own airport.

Not sure who would be flying in from Charleston.

No one is driving from Conway to Charleston to get on a plane. I did that drive back and forth last night and its not fun. You also pass at least 2 very viable airports before you get and hour from Conway (MB and Georgetown)

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Throwing people off the scent, duh!

...Did I really need to post the /s on the first post?

Your logic is sound except for one thing - Columbia SC has an airport. So I think Shane would have flown in from there.

Or maybe he flew to Charleston from Columbia to fool our flight tracker folks. He's a Hokie, he knows.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Of course!

Confirmed!!! Chadwell and Shane are racin airplanes. First one that lands and sprints to the North End Zone in Lane wins the job.

When I'm filthy rich and have money to burn I'm going to spend the last few weeks of every football season flying from campus to campus for no other reason than to watch people freak out.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

King Air from Ohio University landing right now... confirmed Frank Solich to VT.

looks like just one flight... same flight number was entered and cancelled... still seeing something arriving at the airport at 5:55... can we get a spotter at the field before dinner?

I can see the airport terminal from my home office window. I volunteer as tribute.

Hahaha.. please get some binoculars out and report in!

We're waiting. Gif

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Could this just be the Beamer family visiting one another? Frank still lives in the NRV, right? Mom and Dad fly down to SC for the Clemson game, then Mom and Dad and Shane's family fly back to VA for a late Thanksgiving at Mom and Dad's house.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I'm so confused on people's understanding of where cities are located in South Carolina.

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I am currently in South Carolina and can confirm there are cities located in South Carolina.
I have also mistakenly booked a flight into Charleston when I meant to fly to Columbia once so I can also confirm that they are noF*ckingWhere near each other.
I also don't know where Coastal Carolina is, though I believe it is in South Carolina, presumably in a coastal area.

Coastal is in Myrtle Beach which is part of South Carolina (unfortunately).

For the rest of the thread:
Clemson -> 2 hours east -> Columbia (USCe lives here) -> 2 hours east -> Charleston (no big football schools) -> 2 hours North -> Myrle Beach (Coastal Carolina Lives here)

They all have largish airports very close.

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Based on some of the interactions I've had with multiple coworkers in others states everyone that lives in SC is at most 30 minutes from Myrtle Beach. I mean it's not a huge state but also isn't Rhode freakin Island.

Maybe you meant 30 mins from a Waffle House?

10 minutes is probably more accurate. Google maps shows like 20 within 30 minutes of my house including two within about 15 minutes I forgot even existed.


Shout out to Huddle House for showing up in my Waffle House search.

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Huddle House > Waffle House

Vroom Vroom

Ooohhhh a hot(cake) take

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Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

It used to take me 2 hours to get to Myrtle Beach from Camden, which is already east of Columbia. I'm 30 minutes from the state line in GA and Columbia is well over 2 hours away. Greenville, Columbia and Myrtle Beach all have airports and none of them close to Charleston.

'89 Hokie alum, former staff, former faculty. Living in Jawja - a rescue Dawg married to a Fauxkie. Navigating the curious spaces between the ACC and the SEC since 2009.

I just noticed there was a flight yesterday from Columbia to Blacksburg.... landed at 3:07... has anyone spotted Shane around campus today?

He's probably just on a layover to Norman

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Frank coming back from Thanksgiving with Shane and Co? Guessing he attended the win in Columbia?

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Feels more and more like *Whiff* Babcock every hour, am I right?

Lol get that from 247?

Yes, the great wonderful site that gifts the world this shit

This is my school
This is home

at least that post has an appropriate score

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

To be fair that post got downvoted into oblivion. But man it's been bonkers over there. Someone posting nonstop about Chadwell to the point of hilarity.

Nope, the great Joe Rodgers.

Was getting ready to make that same joke, "Ctrl f" and low and behold you're already taking the downvotes for it

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Gonna need a new thread every morning until an announcement is made, at this rate. This puppy is sitting comfortably at 300 and the day ain't over yet.

It's been up for less than 24 hours and less has happened today than previous days

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Too late. Lol now fucking ND gets to come in and big dick the rest of p5 with ou. The program is fucked for at least 5 years now.

I been here since day 0.

Cue up the image with the guy checking out the other woman while his gf/wife gets pissed. The gf/wife is VT, the guy is every good coach, the other woman is all the other P5 programs with more buying power.

Another name I haven't heard much about but would potentially be interested in would be Dan Lanning.

Hearing Bill Clark

uva - the taint of the ACC

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

okay, not bad, not bad

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BSME 2009

Been hyping him since last year. What he's done at UAB is pretty sweet. And he beat Charlie Huff.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: โ€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.โ€ - David Teel Tweet 2018

Who on earth is that?

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

LSU appears to be hiring Brian Kelly, does this open the door a little more for Freeman?


Freeman gets Cincy if Fickell bails I'm guessing

If Freeman isn't the guy the replace Kelly at ND (which I think is a possibility) I'm hoping we have/are locking him up.

I'll be shocked if he isn't running his own program next season regardless. I would absolutely be happy if it was for us, but I can see him in many of the other open gigs too. If he is who we got, I hope he can be named ASAP assuming Kelly bails

OR....Freeman might just get the big boy gig out of the gate https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1465499252222689284?s=20

I have thought for sure that Oh St and ND are the only two jobs that Fickell wants. I thought he might take USC if offered since they would probably triple his salary, but the ND job opening up certainly makes things interesting.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

We are gonna end up with jack Tyler for 125k a year and a Prius he can use for recruiting only. Yikes

I have to admit, this made me chuckle.

Is coronavirus over yet?

We gonna need another truck load of Hardee's coupons to find a coach at this rate

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

People seem a little tense... A little anxious...

Regardless of all the mess going on with the coaching carousel, two things are true:

  1. We will have a new coach next year
  2. Cornelsen will not be our OC

Also we were never competing with OU and ND. And give me Brent Pry.

Is coronavirus over yet?

The early names for OU is Venables who has certainly been on VT lists.

Early names for ND are Campbell (VT stretch) and Freeman. Also Fickell and Freeman would be a top cincy target.

These p5 shuffles have very direct consequences to our search.

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In general, the VT lists are just media naming recently good coaches in our wheelhouse. Fickell was never going to happen. Campbell I'll maybe give you, but again I have not seen a media member who is in the know on this stuff mention him for VT (and I'll only concede him because of the VA ties on his staff). Freeman I've only seen on random media lists and VT message boards. Same with Venables.

All that said, being irrational is the heart and sole of college football fandom.

But regardless...CORN IS GONE

Million dollar question, though, is will VT be better off for #1 and #2 when the dust settles? Things are starting to shape up to be the right decisions at the wrong time.

Are you seriously asking if we'll be better off with Cornelsen gone?

Our AD is solid and there are plenty of good options out there. I mean last time we hired the HC from Memphis and people were psyched.

The problem is people just see message board speculation and random media lists and then we all get incepted with those names and thinking we are just whiffing left and right.

I mean, yea it is concerning that we haven't named a coach yet, but it will happen soon. We aren't going to hire someone like Mike Houston for god's sake.

Are you seriously asking if we'll be better off with Cornelsen gone?

Until I know who the replacements are, I can't be sure of that one way or the other. After all, Fuente & Corny in 2016 looked good on paper, so who are you to say that won't happen again, or worse?

I'm just saying that it's the million dollar question right now, because we don't know how this will play out. Stop being all butt-hurt thinking that I was implying that we will be worse off.

I do trust that Whit is going to do the best that he can to get us the best HC available to us, but right now one can't help but feel like the "children" sitting in the other room while the "parents" talk.

Agree, I have faith in our AD who has a good reputation. Also, he zeroed in on one guy in his last two hires, maybe he's taking a calculated risk to vet more candidates knowing some may not be available at offer time

At this rate, Whit may have to try and sell us on this head coach with 6 years of P5 experience, "Dustin" Fuente and his OC ๐Ÿฟ /s

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Dustin's offensive coordinator is Mr. Potato Head.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

I'd take a magic 8 ball with the insides missing over Brad.

.... this is the most perfectly written thing I've ever seen on this site

Hearing a lot of BoB on twitter with an announcement coming as soon as tomorrow.... any weight behind this??

H-O-K-I-E-S Hokies!

Where is this at? Haven't seen a bit of it

If this is true, I honestly don't know how to feel. It seems like it checks literally none of the boxes Whit laid out in his press conference? Dynamic, engaging personality? He is a career NFL coach with a very sour persona from what I've seen. Recruit the area? What recruiting connections does he have to VA? I know he coached at PSU for two years almost a decade ago, but wow, not a ton to hang your hat on. This is just a weird, weird fit if true. We will absolutely regret not hiring Huff/Freeman (who admittedly may be off the table now)/Elliott. I can see him winning 7-8 games for a few years and bolting right back to the NFL.

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If you're going with O'Brien, why did you not just go for Mullen if we're looking at dudes who are reportedly prickly and questionable fits but have offensive experience and some level of success/pedigree?

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Does Dan Mullen have 6 years under Bill Belichick? No

Did Dan Mullen take 40 scholly players at Penn St to 2 bowl games? No

Can Dan Mullen point to 6 years in the NFL losing to KC in the playoffs as the coach of the Houston Texans? No.

Can Dan Mullen say he's spent a year as an analyst or OC for Saban? Maybe after this offseason.

Can Mullen out recruit BoB? Your guess is as good as mine.

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BSME 2009

Yeah fr, Mullen or Herman if we're going to take an asshole. If we go coordinator he better check all the damn boxes

If this is true, I'm gonna be pissed

Heard this as well earlier today from someone who knows and follows this way more than I do. I;ve been asking all day and this was the most he said.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

My son, an LSU grad, just told me the hot rumor is Brian Kelly has reached verbal agreement to terms with LSU. So what does Notre Dame opening up do to our chances with the names discussed above? As for Kelly, my son would say only that he is glad LSU got their Natty in 2019 because he doesn't like Kelly and sees him as an 8-wins per season kind of coach at LSU. Personally I don't see the cultural fit at ALL.

Just a reminder for you absurd Mike Tomlin dreamers out there that Bill O'Brien had the same number of playoff appearances as Tomlin did during the time he coached the Texans, and only 1 less playoff win.

Lane Kiffin Lane Kiffin Lane Kiffin, lets speak it into existance

Bill O'Brien has a losing record against UVA.

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BSME 2009

Alabama fans would pay for Bill O'Brien to leave, with a lot of speculation about him getting fired at the end of the season, or a mutual parting of ways. This is the only hire I cannot get behind.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

Can we just hire Sam Rogers and end this already

I think this process has shown me, how much the O&M glasses factors into my assessment of where we are as a program. We aren't the LSU's, OU's, FL's, so it's obvious that the best candidates will go there first. We are far removed from the prestige we once had once Beamer walked out the door. We have an incredible stadium, atmosphere, and fan base, but other than that, we aren't much else on the national scale when it concerns up and coming coaches. The last two coaching threads have had many pipe dreams in them for candidates. Some of the candidates were realistic. But I'd venture to say that all of them had better opportunities available to them during this cycle of musical chairs. We talk about our 3rd or 4th best choice, I think many candidates see VT in the same light until we start showing we can win again.

Disclaimer: This was my attempt to be as objective as possible.

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Don't forget Beamer the year after a NC title game run had a handshake agreement to leave Tech. It's not and has never been a top tier job in many peoples eyes around the country.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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It really sucks to come to that realization.

Exactly my point HF. The reality that Frank almost left for UNC, shows where we were then, and where we are now. Those O&M glasses will get after ya.

I think my point of my above statement is that we have to trust that Whit is doing his best to get a coach in the doors that will work out this time around. We have to get behind whomever that person will be, whether it's a guy from ECU or a retread from NC State. I think our current situation embodies the statement "beggars can be choosers." Yet again, just my attempts at an objective take. Trust me I wanted a Napier just as bad as the next Hokie faithful.

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We are far removed from the prestige we once had once Beamer walked out the door.

I mean.... I don't think we would've been able to compete with LSU, ND, OU, USC, UF (and a few others) all opening in the same season EVEN during the Beamer hayday. That's just a fact that this is a historic year for coaching changes.

I'll acknowledge that we are not in the greatest position due to our recent record, but I don't think that's the driving factor here.

Yeah that statement wasn't to imply that we've ever been on that same tier of programs. My point was that a lot of people thought that people like Napier would choose us over UF, not everyone felt this way, but some did, and I think that's a marker of how detached we are from our true position on the totem pole of football programs.

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I still think some of the arguments that some folks made about why Napier would choose VT over Florida are valid.

A lot of the quality of life and pressure factor in on VT's side. The extra 4-5 million a year and knowledge that a buyout will have his KIDS set for life probably overruled them.

Some of y'all have some distorted perceptions:

Someone convince me Napier runs a better offense than Cornelsen

Than try to convince me an OC with a top 5 scoring offense is bad

...But Napier worked under Saban and knows how to build a program...

Napier would have addressed the two biggest problems at VT: Recruiting and organizational infrastructure. That's why he was such an attractive candidate.

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So would Huff...

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

Time to start BowenUp on offense.

Huff hasn't actually implemented this anywhere. Napier implemented his version of the process at ULL, where he had more staff than Fuente at VT.

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But Bill Obrien who coached under Saban and Bill Belichick wouldn't address infrastructure...

And Napier ran the offenses at Louisiana, and they weren't good

People are acting like he'd be some low level hire

Literally anyone could run a better offense than Corn. Except whoever calls the plays for uva.

Bama has so much talent literally anyone could lead that offense to top-5 in scoring just by running up the score against over-matched opponents. But they routinely struggled to put away any team with a pulse on defense and could not run the ball to save their lives.
And Napier wouldn't run the offense, his OC would, who definitely wouldn't run a fake-reverse with the backup QB when you just need to ice the game with a couple of runs by your super-effective RB

So we're all concerned nothing has been announced yet, but Napier is the only one on most lists that actually left for another job. Others have gotten extensions removing them from consideration but almost all the other names being speculated are still available. Remember this is a huge decision for Whit to make and taking time to hopefully find the perfect person should be more important than hiring someone quickly.

Stick it in...Stick it in...Stick it in

yep, from what feldman and/or thamel said, clawson and napier were both offered, but ultimately turned us down. so whit has moved on to interviewing new candidates (likely some mix of chadwell, huff, freeman, pry, elko, elliott)...any of those are still a possibility, with only freeman really being complicated, due to the ND and potential Cincinnati situations.

with this crazy coaching carousel, i am a little worried about assistant coach hires, as fla/nd/osu/lsu/etc will be able to pay assistant coaches a lot more than us. maybe that leads to some of our coaches being retained (smith/price/tyler?)

still hoping for chadwell...increase our recruiting budget/team, keep price & smith on staff, and i think we'd be all set. really, i'd be okay with everyone i listed, but please...no BoB.

Anyone else really disappointed with the seemingly imminent bill O'Brien hire? Feels like a corporate retread to me. I would've taken pry, Freeman, Gattis, Huff, chadwell and others over him.

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Devil's Advocate: I guess we could take one of these other guys. They might even turn into Bill O'Brien!

Disclaimer: I don't have strong opinions one way or another. Just thought the story on reality vs. potential was interesting.

Would you like Prys with that?

I would honestly take Fuente over O'Brien. Are we sure it's "imminent" though? Every source i've seen links to the same tweet by some dude i've never heard of

If it comes to pass, I'll be underwhelmed. I'd have to see how he fills out the staff before passing full judgment thought.

But as others have said, Bill O'Brien seems to be the antithesis of Whit's stated candidate archetype.

Might not be imminent. This guy is at least somewhat plugged in despite not having a blue checkmark.

He also retweeted that BoB was basically a done deal earlier, so definitely a grain of salt.

But what is Walter K. Friedman saying?

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Walter K. Friedman tweeted Huff. So I will choose to believe him, for no other reason than I like that better than BoB.

Seriously, if we hire BoB, UVA and UNC could come open next year. What if they hire Huff and Elliott? Then our man Bill bolts back to the NFL after a couple seasons? I just don't see that being a good idea at all.

Funny, if you put it in the "what if the other guy had them" context, I come out liking Pry the most, with Huff as a close runner up.

You get a lot of bang for the buck with either of those.

BoB isn't a bad option, though.

I would also take Pry over BoB. Bill is a good X's and O's NFL coach, but I don't see him putting in what it takes to build VT back to prominence and developing those recruiting inroads in VA. This is a multi-year effort. I just see him going through the motions for a couple years until an NFL HC or coordinator gig opens up.


To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Huff or Pry out of the available options...which aren't many.

Had a dream last night that we hired a coach named Dickson. Take that for what you will.

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

Jimmy Dickskin?

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Knowing only what I've learned in this thread, Pry or bust!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

If there was no name attached to a resume of a former NFL coach with a winning record who coached with Bill Belichek, coached Penn State and is currently coaching with Nick Saban, I don't see how we wouldn't jump all over that.

The NFL is an entirely different animal from college football. Also, VT is not a school that recruits itself like a blue blood. The coach here is going to have to love building relationships and being comfortable walking into the 804 and 757 and recruiting. You can't just say, hey I coached in the NFL come to VT. That doesn't work for a school like us, you need boots on the ground and a dynamic personality. Don't see BoB being that guy frankly.

I probably should have said he coached at Georgia Tech, Maryland, Duke, Penn State, and he's currently coaching at Alabama and oh yeah, he also coached in the NFL a little bit.

I was really expecting that usual 7:30am on a Tuesday news dump this morning, bummer.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.



21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Aw shit. Here we go again

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I have no problems with a defensively oriented HC. I would love to know who he would select as an OC and what scheme/plan he would run.


I'd be ok with this, considering this absolute firey trashcan carousel of demented clown nightmares the last few weeks have been.


I'd like to point out this is the first person to report and get information on the Brian Kelly to LSU stuff.

Thamel's legit. One of the guys that I wouldn't expect to just sling spaghetti at the wall and hope it sticks.

Last time we switched coaches, it was announced on my birthday (the 29th) and this year... nothing. It's almost like I don't matter anymore.


Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

From what I understand the PSU defense has been legit. Now can he bring that here while being a HC.

Ouch, trying to Unread your comment. Set off a painful memory in my head. If you want to experience the same pain, substitute Memphis offense for PSU defense.

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