Fuente announces Braxton Burmeister "Full Go"

During the media session today, Justin Fuente said based on what he's heard quarterback Braxton Burmeister is good to go this week, and full go for practice. However, backup quarterback Connor Blumrick is out indefinitely.

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Huge relief based on the rumors floating around about his being out potentially 4-6 weeks.

I mean, that's good, but I'm still skeptical on how healthy he really is. We've played some very visibly hurt QBs in the past, including this past weekend, so I hope we aren't doing something stupid just because the other options aren't great.

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The magic 19 yard TD run and rope off the finger tips of Turner were post injury so seems he had the arm strength and wheels

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He was in clear agony after the run. Adrenaline can make you do more than you really should. I have similar worries, he didn't ever really look 100% healthy to me.

"... I think he played his nuts off. And you can quote me on that shit."

Yeah, & you really hate to see this happen to a player that's working his ass off beyond the bone.

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That's called "grit."

Maybe those pills they gave him on the sideline fixed the issue...

I was kind of astounded that was caught on film. (It looked shady AF, tbh) I know other teams use "medical tents" to completely shut out cameras. Why aren't we doing the same at VT?

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It was just anti inflammatories. Shady would be a cortisone shot on the sideline.

If it was, those were prescription strength based on what the bottle looked like and I don't think that was the team doctor giving him those pills.

I'm not gonna comment on who or who not the guy is but prescription strength anti inflammatory don't mean much. If its Naproxen its just a high mg dose of Aleve if I remember right a prescription pill is 500mg and Aleve is 220mg.

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True, but I still think that is sketchier being handed a pill from someone else's pill bottle on tv. At least the optics of seeing a player receive a shot would be that a doctor prescribed it on the sideline.

I mean for all we know that guy was just holding BB's prescription, not like he's got pockets to keep that in and its been speculated that he's been injured for some time.

Definitely not the greatest TV look though.

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that's correct. you can approximate a prescription strength dose of naproxen by taking two max strength OTC aleve. and that's not even misuse of the medication because the label says you can take two for your initial dose.

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My body says I can take 4 and be done with it.

You sure it wasn't Doctor Robert?

I don't know. Dude looked a little like Mister Rogers to me, but that can't be since he's upstairs calling our plays.

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big relief, but there's still so much that can change between now and saturday. consider me cautiously optimistic (edit: skeptically optimistic?) and i really really hope the game plan doesn't involve putting him in a position to absorb 30 hits a game moving forward. pretty glaring mismanagement

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GGC as long as Jason Garrett isn't on our sidelines then Braxton should be good to go...smmfh

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bruh you mentioned his name so now everyone is gonna break in half. so bad!!!

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At this point, I have developed the conclusion that if he doesnt use his legs, we should just play Knox. His arm hasn't been special enough to put cuffs on his legs.

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there is more to "putting him in a position to absorb 30 hits a game" than calling a few runs for him. play design that leaves an unblocked rusher in hopes to get the ball out quick and have an numbers advantage outside, slow developing screen plays, those weird plays that look like there's a read due to there being a mesh point but seem entirely pre-determined, etc. keep a TE in, use the back to chip prior to release, etc etc.

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Very skeptical. He probably doesn't want to say too much to tip off Pitt. If BB can go that's great, but I'm not optimistic based on how he looked Saturday. If he plays hurt and is ineffective that's not good for anyone.

This could be related to what everyone as theorizing about BB maybe not telling Cornelson what plays he's not comfortable with (in whatever that other thread was). Maybe he doesn't tell the coaches the full story about not being 100%, maybe even more so because he saw how Fuente seemed to have written Hooker off for being cold (never mind how effing terrible he looked on the sideline). If you thought a coach would shit-can you for perceived weakness, wouldn't you have to think long and hard about just how injured you'd have to be before you said anything to the coaches? And if that's the type of shit going through a players head, Fuente really should go before a player hurts themselves trying to live up to that type of bullshit.

Edit: I REALLY hope that's not what's going on, that BB really is good, I just worry that it might happen (BB claiming to be okay even if he isn't for fear of Fuente considering him soft).

Fuente seemed to have written Hooker off for being cold

I don't think we should be parroting this rumor. We don't know the circumstances behind Hooker's transfer and it seems unlikely that this is the reason. What I'm about to postulate is equally as speculative but I'm much more willing to believe that Hooker realized that he wasn't getting good coaching and needed to go elsewhere for his future.

Very likely neither is true. The point I'm trying to make is that we just don't know so we shouldn't be throwing wild ideas out there just because. There's already a ton of garbage being spewed about these coaches. We're tired and angry. The team isn't winning enough and they look bad out there.

Let's just agree the coaches aren't doing their jobs and lay off the rumor mongering

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I'm not going off a rumor. What he said after the game about Hooker sounded incredibly dismissive to me. That's all I'm going off of, and from there inferring the rest. The way Hooker was shaking and for Fuente to sound like he didn't believe cold could be a legit reason, whether Fuente told him he wasn't going to play or Hooker maybe deciding Fuente didn't care enough about him as bad as things were in that game. Or maybe to your point - maybe Hooker wanted better coaching.

Is it a stretch to think Fuente thought poorly of Hooker for being "cold?" I don't think so, especially after what he said after the game. Is it logical that another player would see that and not want the coach to think less of the player for not wanting to play injured (unless it was a severe injury) and therefore risk playing injured and not say anything about it? I don't think that's a stretch at all, and it isn't based on anything more than what Fuente said publicly.

I've seen first hand in a professional environment where people admitted to not speaking up because they didn't want to face the wrath of the person in charge. Like I said, how injured does a player have to be before they admit to being injured, especially if a coach says:
"The trainer came to me and told me that he was cold," Fuente said. "I don't know if there's something more significant or serious or what with that.
"I've never seen that before or heard of that before."

I've heard of both hypothermia and frostbite (you mean if someone's hands are so cold they can't feel them, they might fumble a football? Get right outta town!). The dude was shivering so bad he looked like he might have been having a seizure, or as others have mentioned, a panic attack, and all he can say is he hasn't heard of that before? And like I said, it's a stretch that players would see that and think twice about speaking up if they weren't seriously injured?

Yeah idk about all of that but it was definitely a red flag for me that Fu didn't seem to show any concern for Hooker when that happened

Hooker was having a panic attack but didn't know he was having one. So he told the trainers he was cold. Could only articulate what bothered him.

If I'm a football coach being told my QB has an issue with being cold, I'd probably feel some way. I've watched Loren Johnson get on his HS players for complaining about the heat. I've watched wrestling coaches deny water at matches. I could easily envision Fuente getting on Hooker for being cold.

Hindsight is 20/20. If Hooker knew he was having a panic attack and said so to the trainers, the situation may have been dealt with a lot differently.

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How sure are you it was a panic attack? Would he have been able to sit on the sidelines like he was, or would he have stayed in the locker room? I said in another thread that I had really low body fat in HS and college, and if I got really cold, I would shiver uncontrollably (don't know what it looks like from the outside). And then it was REALLY difficult to get my body warmed up again. I get maybe questioning players, especially if they're slackers and try to get out of things, but what about from players that are all-in? It seems like ignoring those guys is when you deal with heat exhaustion and kids dying on the field. Considering how many players have died on the practice field, I'm stunned that coaches wouldn't be paying a lot more attention and more willing to make sure players had water, etc.

And if it was a panic attack, my understanding is that most people have no clue what is going on at the time. And not sure trainers would be thinking that if a player came to see them. Regardless, to me, what Fuente said to the media seemed very dismissive, not a "we're working with Hendon on what happened to make sure he's 100" or something that doesn't make it sound like he believed HH made something up.

Glad Braxton is okay.

However, Pitt is gonna bring that pressure and that scares me, because I dont think hes truly 100% and one big sack could cause even worse injury (praying that wont be the case though)

Two excruciatingly tough losses so far, but the ACC is wide open and the most important game left (other than UVA) is right in front of us.

How we respond to failure/heartbreak is going to define this team, for better or worse. I think this team has a lot of FIGHT left in it and I'm relieved to hear that BB3 is good to go for Saturday.

Go HOKIES beat Pitt!!!

This is a nice post in an otherwise unending sea of depressing posts on this site as of late.

Prayers for them all getting healthy ASAP

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We are really going to do some long-term damage to his body. Good God.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

After watching how he was favoring that Shoulder Saturday, there is no way he is gonna be fully healthy..BB will definitely be playing hurt.

I have no doubt after his play against ND that BB is gusty as hell, but I hope this is the right decision for him.

I hope they design at least a couple series for Kadum with plays that he will be successful with to give BB a bit of a rest.

Braxton sure can't be accused of being soft. I admire the guy's toughness. I genuinely hope that he's not being put in harms way unnecessarily.

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So in the interest of not putting BB out for slaughter, if Knox isn't the guy for whatever reason (do we know why he didn't show up at all?), what's up with Bullock?

Kadum threw an interception against Richmond so he won't see the field again this year

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Heard Knox is already in the portal /s

Fuente's job is on the line.

Pitt is a tiebreaker we have to have. Outside of us, they might lose one more game.

Fuente has to get to Charlotte.

BB3 can play? Then that's what Fuente will roll the dice with.

My guess, and it's just a guess, if BB3 needed surgery, but it would kill his season, he may have elected against the surgery. That would not be Fuente's decision. Reminds me of Brewer, but Brewer's tenacity cost him several games in his final season.

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I think Fuente has to win the Coastal to keep his job. Coaching nearly single handedly lost us the game Saturday night. I know a handful of people already debating whether or not to renew tickets for next year. The fan base has completely checked out on Fuente. The ND game was the best chance he had to save his job and he blew it.

At the very minimum, Fuente is a high character guy. I do not see him putting his own job security over the health of one of his players. If he is told from BB and doctors that he is good to play then by all means play him but I don't think he is sitting there weighing his options of keeping his job and potentially injuring his QB.

Great comment.

I am more than ready for Fuente to go, but I don't think he's a bad guy by any stretch.

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My thoughts exactly. Said the same thing to my brother today.

You would think that, but ask Kumah.

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Kumah is one of the last people that I want to trust for character evaluations.

But he's among a number who hint at--let's call it "shunning"--after getting injured and taken care of outside the VT medical staff.

I simply don't think he has a leadership style that connects with players; especially with his track record being average.

You say that and I believe it for the most part, but after how things shook out with Hooker (my take is that Fuente told Hooker to take a hike because he thought being "cold" was a piss poor excuse). So instead of Fuente knowingly playing an injured BB, I think it would be more likely that BB would play injured until he was hurt so bad he really just absolutely could not play rather than have Fuente call him out like he did to Hooker.

I just hope that because his job is on the line, Fuente doesn't put BB3 in a bad situation that causes long lasting injuries.

A reminder that Fuente said James Mitchell was fine prior to him being announced as being out for the year.

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great observation. And the way the OP is written, it seems that Fuente is speculating anyway. He probably intentionally didn't want to hear from the medical staff about BB before his press conference so that he would be able to say what he said to force Pitt to gameplan for him. I suspect Fuente is being coy here, though, and he knows that BB is hurting and may not be able to play.

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There's probably more to the Mitchell story than what's out. Player injuries, especially for those that have potential to make it at the next level, aren't cut and dry. Like Fuente or not, he is making comments on injuries as the staff reports them to him. This is not Varsity Blues. The inverse is to not say anything or I don't know, which would probably create more drama.

Post game press conference vs. 36 hours after the game. Big difference in my mind.

But who knows, maybe they are just throwing a curveball to Pitt and setting up completely different offense with KK at the helm.

Yes, big difference but I'm not sure what to believe.

Either way, we're f*cked.

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To be fair to Fuente, he was told that by the head trainer. He wasn't just saying that out of hand.

A reminder that Fuente was told James Mitchell was fine prior to him being announced as being out for the year...

you're speculating that Fuente was told that. We know what Fuente said because it was recorded. We know what Fuente said. We don't know what Fuente was told.

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I'm going to assume that you're posting this in support of my comment that we know what Fuente said but we don't know what Fuente was told.

This clip makes that clear. We know what Fuente said. We still don't know what he was told.

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I figured i might as well post the actual new conference clip so that people can draw their own conclusions based on what Fuente meant when he said "Everything they're telling me is he'll be fine" in the postgame press conference immediately after the game.

Personally, I find it a lot more believable that Fuente was told that James Mitchell would be fine based on the initial trainer evaluations prior to any more advanced testing/scanning/imaging than that Fuente misremembered someone telling him something they didn't tell him or that he intentionally lied or fabricated misleading information with plausible deniability like you've speculated elsewhere in this thread.

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Fuente misremembered someone telling him something they didn't tell him or that he intentionally lied or fabricated misleading information with plausible deniability like you've speculated elsewhere in this thread.

Umm, excuse me?! Where exactly have I speculated that? I'm not saying that at all. This is another case of you making assumptions about me based on your own biases. I'm sorta over it. We know what Fuente said. Fuente said that he was told Mitchell was fine. The OP said that Fuente said Mitchell was fine before he was ruled out for the season. That is factually correct. The post I responded to was, in a snarky fashion, trying to correct him by saying Fuente was told that Mitchell was fine. We don't know what Fuente was told. I didn't appreciate the snark and, frankly, I was being a bit of a wise-ass in return to point out that he was speculating what Fuente was told. Only Fuente and the people telling him stuff know what he was told. We can't know that. We have to take Fuente for his word and I'm fine with that. I don't think Fuente is lying to us. I don't think Fuente means any harm to his players. I believe that he cares about them and is going to do what he believes is best for them. I am not saying here, or anywhere else in this thread or any other, that Fuente is trying to fabricate or mislead folks based on anything he's being told. I'm really tired of your vendetta against me.

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great observation. And the way the OP is written, it seems that Fuente is speculating anyway. He probably intentionally didn't want to hear from the medical staff about BB before his press conference so that he would be able to say what he said to force Pitt to gameplan for him. I suspect Fuente is being coy here, though, and he knows that BB is hurting and may not be able to play.

How exactly is anyone supposed to read this and think you're not suggesting that Fuente is going the Plausible Deniability route?

edit: and so we're on the same page, here is David Cunningham with the direct quote

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"Everything I've heard" is speculating. Sounds like Fuente hasn't had an official discussion with medical staff. He's heard things. We don't know what that means. We don't know what he's heard or who he's heard it from. "My best guess..." is also speculation. I'm saying that it sounds like Fuente is speculating. There's nothing wrong with that IMO.

It's possible that "everything he's heard" at this point is what he heard on the sidelines during the game. It's possible he hasn't met with medical staff to discuss injuries yet. It's possible that he doesn't meet with them until later in the week. It's possible (and, ironically, I'm speculating here) that Fuente doesn't want to know the various prognoses of his players ahead of his weekly Monday Presser because he doesn't want to knowingly lie to the media. There's nothing evil or untoward about that, to me. He's going to tell the media what he knows when he speaks to the media. If he speaks to the media before he speaks with medical staff then he's not going to know very much more than "what he's heard" - on the sidelines presumably.

You suggested that I was trying to paint Fuente as some conniving, manipulative weasel and I really took offense to that. I'm not saying that at all. If there's one thing I like about Fuente it's that I think he is a good human being who is trying to do right by people. I don't think he's cut out to be a football coach at the P5 level but that doesn't mean that I regard him as the scourge of humanity.

You have an opinion of me and you let that opinion shade the context of every single one of my posts. You assume that my intent or meaning is the worst it could be and that is really unfair to me. I wish you'd stop.

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You suggested that I was trying to paint Fuente as some conniving, manipulative weasel and I really took offense to that. I'm not saying that at all.

Saying this after suggesting that Fuente is either possibly/probably intentionally avoiding medical information so that he doesn't have to be honest about it just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I'll be better at giving you the benefit of the doubt moving forward and at the same time please take some honest feedback that some of your takes (including this one!) come across as impressive mental gymnastics to find literally something (edit: anything) to paint a negative picture of Fuente even if it's possibly (probably?) not rooted in reality. There is a huge difference between "really hope this isn't a James Mitchell situation" and "he probably intentionally didn't want to hear from the medical staff about BB before his press conference so that he would be able to say what he said". have a leg to offset your downvote and take my feedback as i take yours. there's been plenty of it both ways today

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fair enough

I hate that my anger at feeling misunderstood is pouring out as an attempt to paint this staff negatively. I actually don't have any issue with what Fuente said about Mitchell or Burmeister and I don't think he's doing anything wrong. I don't mean to paint them negatively for talking about (or not talking about?) injuries. Fuente said Mitchel was fine and then he wasn't. Nothing wrong with that. As far as Fuente knew, at the time, Mitchell was fine. As far as he knows, right now, Burmeister is fine. He may not be. I think it's an interesting observation but I don't think it means the coach has done anything wrong. I'm not trying to imply that. Lost in translation, I suppose. Text does a poor job of conveying critical elements of communication.

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yeah -- it's a long week and part of "what he's heard" is probably BB insisting that he'll be good to go. he may not actually be there come saturday. it would really really surprise me if CJF hadn't had a conversation with any medical staff about BB since the game ended Saturday

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he said the thought mitchell would be fine right after the game, before doctors had a chance to fully evaluate him.

fuente always follows doctors advice when it comes to playing players. he said so after putting hooker back in the game against clemson, and after putting braxton back in this weekend.

anyone saying fuente intentionally plays injured players is letting their hatred for him form their opinion.

anyone saying fuente intentionally plays injured players is letting their hatred for him form their opinion.

Agreed, I can't believe Fuente playing injured players knowingly. A coach who does that is:
A) a despicable human being.
B) Performing a firing for cause action.
C) never going to get a job coaching again.

A firing for cause action, you say? Sorry Braxton, you's going in. I kid, I kid. I certainly hope we're not pushing anyone to play such that they sustain a worse injury.

I think also the University and Athletic Department leadership would be entirely culpable if they hired someone who did not put the safety and personal well being of the young men in this program ahead of their own job security. Please, no one would hire such a scumbag. (unless his name as Hugh Freeze of course)

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Coaching football puts the players health in jeopardy to the credit of the coaches job security. No way around it.

This is a glaring coaching mistake...or like we call it around here "Monday".

Our plan is limited game plan around a clearly injured/hampered QB. When he goes out at some point during the game, we have zero plan for a backup (Fu has yet to provide they can adjust in-game)...the old "put him in and hope".

We should be designing a game plan that plays to the starters strengths (should be KK) and using BB as an emergency/backup with a limited playbook if we have to go there.

We put the K in Kwality

Here's the issue, without a running option at QB, half our Offensive gameplan goes out the window--we then have only the other page of the Playbook left.

KK isn't a legit running threat, more in the Josh Jackson mold. CJF and BC are banking that a hurt BB is a better option than KK.

Wonder if we have an extra tight end that wants to play QB? That worked well in 2011.

That was Blumrick. 😭

Time for a second backup plan. Any WRs that can sling a pigskin?

What happened to Tahj Bullock?

How happy would folks be if Fuente used up a year of Bullock's eligibility - which could and probably would result in another coach for 2022?

he can appear in 4 games without burning his redshirt. we have 7 remaining. if bullock is good enough in spot duty to continue starting, i dont think i really have much of an issue with it.

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Don't hold your breath on a Bullock appearance soon based on this tweet from Barber

sure, i dont know if he's ready and i'm not surprised that he evidently isn't. but burning his redshirt isn't a reason not to play him

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Has he even been dressing? It would have been nice to get him some garbage time handoffs even though we haven't really controlled a game enough for much 'garbage time'

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I want to say he traveled to the WVU game, but I can't recall fully. I would imagine he's been suiting up as a "we're neck deep in it" option

I would assume they're gonna try and hold him out as long as possible in case both Burmeister and Kadum hurt. If that happens with 4 games left Bullock can start and still preserve his redshirt

this seems like a pretty reasonable assumption. I think it's unlikely we see Bullock unless Burmeister is ruled out completely and Kadum also can't play for some reason.

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I've seen him in uniform on the field doing pregame warm ups.

Maybe recruit someone that might be more ready?

How many true freshmen actually play, especially in the P5? Is that a recruiting thing, or is it just a normal thing. I'd assume it's more rare than anything, and if a true freshman is good enough to start in the P5, they likely went to a blue blood anyway. I'm not going to fault the coaching staff for not recruiting a game ready freshman- pick another of the many other things we CAN legitimately blame them for.

I didn't say game ready week one, my point is recruit less raw projects perhaps. Just an idea.

especially if you struggle with developing them. make your job easier. work smarter, not harder.

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Would love to see that. But it requires recruiters capable of landing a talented and well-polished QB. Great in theory, but with this group?

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I would think game ready in week 1 vs week six is the same for a true freshman. They aren't likely getting the same practice that the starters are, especially if you're considered 4th string (which Bullock appears to be, behind BB, KK, and CB). Should he be 4th string - I would think he shouldn't be behind CB based on what we heard about him. But that doesn't change that a QB is probably getting more mechanical/fundamental stuff in their freshman year, maybe learning the playbook, but probably not getting game speed practices with all that (unless you're very thin at QB). I dunno, I'm just legitimately asking what normal expectations of a true freshman are. And considering our current recruiting (we've discussed how not great that is), I'd think it would be less likely to expect a game ready true freshman. How often did we start true freshmen QBs under Beamer?

I cannot give you a complete rundown, but I know that as a true-Fr Tyrod Taylor's redshirt was burned in that LSU blowout in 2007, yet he was able to command/will our offense to VT's only touchdown in the game. This was mostly due to TT's mobility because our o-line was swiss cheese. IIRC, while Tyrod had that and some other successes that year and his Soph year, he wasn't as consistent as he was in his junior and senior years, which explains switchouts with Glennon those first two seasons for TT.

The only QB in either of our 2019 and 2020 classes was Knox Kadum a low level three star

I don't fucking trust Fuente's judgement on this. Not saying I think he's ready, ... Just saying I don't trust Fuente anymore on who or what is a good qb anymore.

Now that's insight...

Between the transfer portal and the 4 game rule, is burning a redshirt really that much of a concern anymore?

Not trying to be cynical, if we were able to redshirt any QB that started their college career at VT under Fuente, that ended up benefiting other schools.

Not trying to be cynical, if we were able to redshirt any QB that started their college career at VT under Fuente, that ended up benefiting other schools.

It's depressing how painfully true this statement is. Especially after seeing what Hooker's been doing.

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Gee thanks.

I didn't note that obvious caveat of him being able to play 4 games without burning his shirt because 1) the question was being asked after the 5th game of the year and 2) well...it was an obvious caveat.

Not to mention Fuente essentially said yesterday - in so many words - Bullock isn't remotely ready.

As I implied, it's amazing how many folks are okay with throwing mud at the wall - until it fails spectacularly.

I didn't note that obvious caveat of him being able to play 4 games without burning his shirt because 1) the question was being asked after the 5th game of the year

I'm pretty sure the red shirt rule applies to any four games. not just the first four. The player could play in only the last four games and still redshirt

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Gee thanks...another Capt Obvious caveat I failed to note.

Do I now need to mention if Bullock plays in 5 of the remaining games, he'll lose his redshirt so nobody fills me in on that factoid?

You don't have to be a dick about it. Your rationale for not mentioning an "obvious caveat" didn't make any sense. You're coming across as super arrogant.

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Did anything I wrote indicate I thought the 4 game limit couldn't be any four games before a redshirt is blown?

Are you this pedantic with everybody in your life?

yes

I didn't note that obvious caveat of him being able to play 4 games without burning his shirt because 1) the question was being asked after the 5th game of the year

the quote here says that you didn't need to note the caveat since we've already gone past 4 weeks. The implication, obviously, being that since we're already more than 4 weeks through the season any game that he plays in will automatically burn his redshirt so no need to mention it.

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at this point i have no idea what your original point even was except that it was evidently so far above anyone else around here's plane of comprehension

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

you're welcome!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

That was also Blumrick 😭

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

That's Burmeister. πŸ˜‚ But seriously Robinson played quarterback in high school.

I think our punter attempted a pass this year...

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I don't even know if that even qualified as 'attempted'

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Hokie Nation is going to lose its mind when Fuente uses his surprise last year of eligibility and suits up at QB for Pitt!

like, for Pitt or for the Pitt game? I think there's a bunch of people who wouldn't mind JHam tryna Hunter Cantwell him

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Ha nice, I meant the Pitt game, but FOR Pitt would be even better

Does Jack Click have any eligibility left?

Mark Leal played TE?

If all else fails, Caleb Gelsomino might have some eligibility left.

get my mans JuJu Clayton warmed up, and activate Ike Whitaker too

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Fu and Corny preach "predictable" outcomes. Which is why he destroys kids for turnovers. Yet, the most predictable outcome for this game is BB gets reinjured and has to come out. We should be planning for that to happen and how to design a game plan around that "predictable outcome".

We put the K in Kwality

Prepare Uranus for the Pitt juggernaut! They have "big-physical-up-front-ness" that VT will need anybody not in a coma to withstand.

Wasn't HH "full go" against ND in 2019... Then magically QP started unbeknownst to anyone until a few min before game time??

Beat WVU

I don't think so - wasn't the game prior when HH bent his leg at a really bad angle? I'm pretty sure we knew HH was going to be out after seeing that.

End of the day BB say's he's fine Dr's have to clear him. A Cortisone shot (if he didn't already get that) & Naproxen this week

Anyone know about Dax's availability...since the targeting on him was in the fourth, he'll be out for the first half against Pitt right?

correct

fyi regarding:

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Which leads to the obvious question as to why Ferguson #47 came in the ND game and not Artis?

i'm obviously not a coach, but maybe those reps are the reason why it's artis getting the reps now

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Damn. They just switched Artis to backer and Ferg to Mike in fall camp. Also where has Jaden Keller been?

The legend of Braxton Percmeister continues

I know this is a joke, but this one seems a bit borderline to me and I basically laugh at everything. Just kind of implies that he's a junky.

I took it as more that Fuente is going to get him hooked on pills

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

At this point, he will probably get the whole fanbase hooked on pills to make the season bearable.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Nah, but we will need to form or attend several AA meetings.

Not me. I don't need pills to survive this season.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Yeah it's kinda messed up because who knows what these pills are and we all know about football players getting addicted to painkillers after being treated with them... But still, it was kind of a legendary moment for him to be down and out and then scoring what should have been a heroic game winning TD while dealing with a painful injury

that guy giving BB3 the medication is the team doctor, not some random staffer

I don't even know if I'm more or less confident in our ability vs Pitt. I get that if the doctors clear him and he says he's fine then he's gonna go....but I've had a lot of shoulder injuries, your normal range of motion is always a problem for a few weeks and your arm and shoulder typically feel very weak.

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yeah I'm kind of in the same boat with you (minus the experience with shoulder injuries). Burmeister, no Burmeister. Not sure it makes much of a difference. With a healthy Burmeister this offense might put up three or four TDs per game. With an unhealthy Burmeister it's probably about two or three. Without him it's probably one or two. In a game where we're probably going to need six it doesn't really matter if he's healthy or not. I know Pitt hasn't exactly played the toughest schedule out there but they haven't scored fewer than 34 points in a game since last October. Their lowest point total in 2021 is 41 points. Sure, they've played UMass, Western Michigan, New Hampshire, and GT (not a gauntlet) but at least they've scored lots of points in those games. VT hasn't even scored more than 35 points since last October.

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That first sack will tell us a lot!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

i was kinda looking forward to a gameplan with a passing qb and a long leash, but glad BB is ok

Danny is always open

Nothing like giving up your body and guaranteeing yourself years of pain for a 6-6 team coached by Fuente!

VTMidge

6-6 may be optimistic

That's a relief! Couldn't imagine the impact losing him would have on our 196th ranked offense!

Glad for him as a hokie and a person that it's not worse, but honestly our offense is fucked either way.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

If that's indicative of that man's film review skills, he and Corny should work together.

IMO that's just "coach speak."

I'm sure Narduzzi has been watching the film on a loop where the ND safety blasted through the line and got a huge (unnecessary roughness) hit on Burmeister. Tell his guys to make a clean hit and it's game over.

I'm perfectly fine with him and Corny working together as long as they're not employed in Blacksburg.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I think I've helped discuss what a $h1t show the QB room is/has been, so I'll refrain from that here...

I love BB3. I really do. The kid is tough, gutsy, a competitor, cool, calm and collected... All the great things you want in the guy leading your team. I'm really glad he's a Hokie!

I am rooting for him in every way. I hope he continues to ball out and works to make just enough plays with his arm to keep himself healthy and to keep the good guys in every game from here on out.

Is coronavirus over yet?

how is this even possible? he looked really banged up

Probably comes down to the difference between "full go" and "fully 100% healthy".

Gotta hope it's just a cramp. -Tony Romo

Pour some Beer on it


As someone who's dislocated both shoulders multiple times, yeah, BB3 could keep playing through the pain but I wouldn't be surprised to see his arm look like this by the end of the night

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

I don't believe a word from this coaching staff when it comes to player safety. Remember Herndon Hooker on the bench last year shaking uncontrollably all on his own and not one coach or staff went to check him out. FFS, they threw Burmeister back out and you can see how hurt he was after nearly collapsing from the last TD run.

Go Hokies!

He also couldn't throw on the last series. I'd rather we start Kadum (especially against Cuse Duke and GT) than have Braxton get progressively more hurt as the year goes on.

Also the main knock against Kadum is arm strength and lack of experience. Arm strength hasn't been whats held Braxton back from connecting on key throws. Not saying Kadum will be better, but BB hasn't exactly been world beating at anything other than not throwing picks

BB3 played the best he has all season after going gimp. That last ball to Tre was a beauty. That run was amazing.

Maybe this is what we need. A half healthy QB that plays better hurt. Just like at Michael Jordan's flu game.

/s

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Everyone keeps talking about that pass to Tre like it was on the money. It wasn't. Tre had to really reach for it and even then it was just off his finger tips. It was overthrown. If he'd dropped it right into the bread basket and Tre dropped it then I'd understand. 🀷 Could it have been caught? Maybe. Would have been one hell of a catch. The throw was okay but it wasn't a beauty.

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Did it touch his hands? Yes? Then the receiver needs to come down with it, cause that's the receivers responsiblility. To catch the ball.

Remember Jeff King? You could throw the ball 5 yds away from him, and he'd still catch it. Soft hands. Even got to play a little bball with Greenberg.

Eddie Royal, too. You couldn't miss him.

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Ugh, double post

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I'm not saying it was uncatchable. I'm saying it wasn't the beauty everyone says it was. Calvin Johnson caught a lot of passes at GT. I don't think anyone would try to argue that every ball he caught was a perfect throw.

On this 2nd-and-10, to the field-side Hart (No. 5) gives Turner a 10-yard cushion, and he sits hard on the quick hitch (similar to MTSU). Turner feigns the hitch, and then explodes past Hart up the field. Turner was wide open and Burmeister missed the throw.

~ French, Oct 12 2021

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There's also such a thing as a QB throwing "catchable passes"... I'm not sure BB3 does that with regularity (not referencing the specific play above).

Not to mention, I really don't think we have elite talent at the WR and TE positions. And if we do, that talent is not being developed. I love the players who chose VT and I'll always be in their corner no matter what, but the talent simply isn't there/isn't being developed.

At the end of the day there are far too many little things wrong with this program from top to bottom that keep the team from being successful on the field... This (the pass to Tre) is just one example.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I 100% agree our WR talent doesn't seem to be developing. I remember thinking how good TT was as a freshman (earning himself the nickname "big play Tre" no less) and thinking "this dude is going to be one of our next great receivers. He's still good, but doesn't seem to have developed past what he was as a freshman, and I have to think that is purely on the coaching.

Just want to add that the defender grabbed Tre as he was getting beat just enough to slow him down a step. That doesn't happen and the pass hits him in stride.

But if anyone wants to argue that did not happen but the pass was still money, then I'm on your side. Would've been a really tough catch.

That was a game winning play and the receiver had his hands on it. Those gloves are way too tacky to drop anything that touches them.

Game winning play = beautiful pass

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lol, you're joking right?

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about the gloves?

No. WR gloves can make someone who's never caught a ball, catch everything. Tre had both hands on it, the drop is on him.

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Clearly we're never going to convince each other. To me it looked like an overthrow that would have been difficult for anybody to catch. French said it was a miss by Burmeister in his review. You think it was a beauty. Whatever.

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All I know is if the receiver touches the ball with two hands, the ball should be caught.

Slight overthrow? maybe, but not enough where the receiver didn't have two hands on it.

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Easy for you to say from your couch.

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I'm on a computer chair. but yes, I was on my couch when Tre touched that ball with 2 hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71p3xsjXIYw

At 2:30:00 exactly, watching it over makes it even more obvious it was a catchable ball. And that is without listening to a previous NFL quarterback telling me that it's a "good throw by the QB and a ball that needs to be caught"

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Guys I think you can agree to disagree. Probably a good place to end it.

Honestly, after rewatching, I think 9 times out of 10 Tre would make that catch...and I have a feeling he would tell us the same thing.

They're not perfect, they're all gonna make mistakes, but they're all out there giving all they got.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I hear Jon Gruden is available. Might be able to get him on the cheap! /s

Maybe he could find the buyout on the way in.

We put the K in Kwality

Fuente & Corn coming out of the tunnel with a "full go" Burmeister

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Am I the only one who thinks it seems like BB just had a pretty bad stinger but got the feeling back in the shoulder and will probably be pretty good to go for the Pitt game? Theres no way the coaches are just covering up some more serious injury to save their ass. Obviously I imagine he'll be in some pain and its probably pretty tight but if he can go he can go.

Am I the only one who thinks it seems like BB just had a pretty bad stinger but got the feeling back in the shoulder and will probably be pretty good to go for the Pitt game?

you're probably in the minority....

Theres no way the coaches are just covering up some more serious injury to save their ass.

I pretty much agree....I mean, I'd say there's very little chance. I don't think that is happening. But there is always a very small chance that it is happening.

I think BB has hurt his shoulder pretty badly and I don't think it's going to be quite right again during this season and I doubt very seriously that he'll play next year. I imagine this will be the last season he plays as a Hokie and he's going to be hobbled the rest of the way, IMO. I think it would be foolish to expect things to improve at all. I think we'll be lucky to get 3 more wins.

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I'm feeling the same way. And it feels like maybe BB is just healthy enough to play without serious consquence, he's told coaches that he doesn't have an NFL career on the line right now, this is in all liklihood the end of his football career and the dude wants to play, and he is still our best option to win games. You can make the Tajh Bullock argument, but we know Feunte is not a fan of throwing a freshman out there that is not prepared. So maybe, they are letting BB make the decision to go play with an injury.

I don't really know; time will tell, but I agree, at this point, I just don't see us winning more than 3-4 of the next 7. I can only remember one pass over the middle in the ND game, and it was an underthrow that was also a bit behind Kaleb Smith. He had gotten just behind and in front, running a post-route right down the middle. A tough throw, but one that I have seen many college QBs make so far this season. That's it, everything else was to the outside or the flat, unless you count the long throw to Turner when Turner read the route different and broke short and out instead of deep and in.

I did think BB was more agressive passing and the timing with receivers seemed to be better. But it still wasn't what we'll need to go win the ACC.

Still hoping we improve to that level though.

Yes, agree with all of this. Improved, but not enough yet.

"... I think he played his nuts off. And you can quote me on that shit."

he doesn't have an NFL career on the line right now, this is in all liklihood the end of his football career

He could take over a slot receiver role, and have himself 4-5 years in the show. You can't teach speed, and he's got speed.

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Can't get the embed to work, but this is directly from a parent of a current player. Seems to suggest that either the 2nd opinion from Sunday was not great, or perhaps an aggravation in practice. Hard to understand why someone this close to the program would make this up. If we're down to Kadum or Bullock, Fu better hope that Bullock is the stud they said he was.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Hate to hear that for Burmeister. I'm not surprised. I also don't think it makes much difference. Points were always going to be hard to come by regardless of qb. Just gotta hope he makes a full recovery and that whoever does play stays healthy. That's about all we can ask for

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It'd be different if it was another recruit, but Bullock is coming in as a project. He's huge and athletic but has a lot of work to do as far as fundamentals. Think QP two years before they wouldn't let him pass in games.

Word is he's smart and learns quick. But he needs reps. At least now he will get them in practice. Kadum has got to be QB1, Bullock probably only comes in if Kadum gets hurt. Hopefully we don't have to burn his redshirt.

Agreed. Funny thing though: my #sauce said recently Bullock was already more advanced as a passer than QP. I hope all of this is irrelevant and BB3 is good to go on Saturday, but if not, what a [predictable] whirlwind

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

I got you FAM

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I can't take anything that contains the word "youngin'" seriously.

I can't take anything our offensive coaches do/say seriously Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―

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It IS true that serious and competent don't always line up.

This is DJ Harvey's dad who was very involved in his son's recruitment and move to Blacksburg. If true I'd imagine Fuente is not happy insider information is being spread.

Does anyone else get the "coach bud Kilmer"
from varsity blues feel from this staff?? If you don't know what I'm talking about please watch that movie. I was like many of you there last week seeing a mans arm just hanging there but kept going back in because he's a damn hard nosed team first gritty guy. But I just rewatched the game on DVR and how In the hell he almost win us that game is beyond belief. That's about the hardest I've seen the players themselves go for 60 minutes in a while...but burmeister left his body on the field....we should've won but at what cost?πŸ€”...on aside I said to my wife on that last 4th and less than 1..."it's not a conference game let's just go for it and win it right here!!!"...she agreed...but we punted and put a gassed defense back on the field and yaddy yaddy yadah

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This is what drives me crazy about Fuente. Why aren't Blumrick, Kadem and Bullock ready? Why wasn't QP ready and why did we give up on Hooker? Texas A&M had a backup ready to beat Alabama, Notre Dame had a backup ready for us and damnit, even VMI had a backup freshman lead them to victory over Cornell. We only have about 6 plays, how hard is it to master a JV- Middle School playbook?

Lethal simplicity

I want Fu and Corn gone as much as the next guy. But I wouldn't use Texas A&M as an example. That same backup QB couldn't beat Colorado coming off the bench. He also couldn't beat Miss St with 2 weeks of first team reps. That is part of what made the Bama upset so surprising. He looked like a completely different QB, but he certainly didn't look ready against Colorado or Miss St.

counterpoint: he didn't look ready to play against Colorado or Miss St. but he still played and got some game experience that the coaches could use to help develop him. He probably doesn't play like he did against Bama if he doesn't get that valuable experience before hand. I think game experience is always going to be way more valuable and useful than practice reps. That's why it is so important to put inferior teams away quickly and early so that backups can get better experience. Playing your second and third guys against a Richmond, for instance, is more valuable than all the practice reps they get against our own defense even if the talent gap is significant. Game reps help a lot.

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Agreed. that's what's so maddening about how QP was handled at Tech. He needed to be thrown out there and take his lumps and get some real game experience. Instead, he was used like a single wing tailback.

I always wince when the backup QB comes in during slop time and only hands the ball off or runs it. For them to get valuable game experience, they need to have game time experience of actually running the offense. Yes, we might run up the score a little more than intended, but that XP is invaluable.

I mostly agree.

But I do think there is something to said for the dealing with the little mechanical things (like huddling folks up, managing the play clock, getting players aligned, looking over the D alignment, etc.) in a real game atmosphere against an adversarial opponent.

Yes undoubtedly the experience the A&M QB got from playing in 4 games (starting 3 of those games) helped against Bama. But the OP said he wished Fu had a backup that was ready to play like the A&M QB. But he wasn't ready to play against Colorado, Arkansas or Miss St. Its the main reason A&M has 2 losses instead of being the #1 or #2 in country. He was ready to play after 4 games of experience and 4 weeks of 1st team reps.

Seems like he's fine to throw the ball, which is good. When he takes a big hit again that could change though

So the QB option is completely out of the question. That's 40%+ of our playbook.

I'm starting to wonder if this is posturing, and Knox comes out to start the game.

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we'll find out on Saturday. I know this, Pitt is going to be trying to hit Burmeister early and often if he starts.

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they shouldn't have to try hard if there is no run game...sigh.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I see my comment aged well...

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

This is just odd...Fuente and BB say 100%, full-go. Neither address what the injury was; for example, just a stinger that is fine now. BB qualifies his 100% full-go by saying, luckily QB's don't get hit in practice??

So that would imply it is an arm/shoulder injury that could be worsened by getting hit, but does not impact his ability to throw.

I know BB is tough enough to go and play with whatever he does or does not have going on. Other than that, not sure what to make of this.

we'll never know the full story. BB may or may not play the rest of this season - I wouldn't expect results with him in the game to be any better than we've already seen. They'll be about the same or, likely IMO, worse. My guess is he won't play again next year.

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I guess we'll get to see JRod's gripe with the staff play out. He was nursing an injury, and would have preferred to not run so much, even meeting with Fuente, and we kept running QB power anyway.

BB3 clearly has a shoulder issue, so are we going to run him into the ground?

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BB3 clearly has a shoulder issue, so are we going to run him into the ground?

Yes

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Sounds like he's just making a joke

When he takes a big hit again that could change though

I think that's everyone's biggest concern.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Said luckily, the QBs don't get hit in practice, so he's been fine.

Well thank goodness that's not a problem on gameday.

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Pretty cool our leading passer is our leading rusher and the stats for both aren't the best haha. Geez

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Let me add that this is not knock on BB. Guy is giving it all and I love it. This is a knock on our staffs continued inability to find and grow talent on Offense. The fact BB was hurt, the Blumrick, and we didn't put Knox in for a series to give BB time, says a lot about our lack of trust in the QB room.

VTMidge

There should be plenty of trust in the Bruce Arians QB Room!

But yeah, the way the depth has evaporated is very concerning.