Big 12 Announces New Members

BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston will be joining the Big 12

The Big 12 Conference Board of Directors this morning voted to extend membership invitations to Brigham Young University, the University of Central Florida, the University of Cincinnati, and the University of Houston to join the Conference.

Videoconference announcements with Big 12 Board of Directors Chairman and Texas Tech University President Lawrence Schovanec, Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby, and campus representatives are scheduled today at the following times:

Houston – 11:00 a.m. CT
BYU – 11:30 a.m. CT
UCF – 2:45 p.m. CT
Cincinnati – 3:30 p.m. CT

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Woah, you're not allowed to have the correct number of teams in your conference in relation to the name of said conference!

Welcome to the worst conference in P5, Big XII fans!

Pac-10 on line 1, ACC on line 2 (at least this year with our bellcow down)

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Yeah it's weird to think about, but the "power 5" feels pretty meaningless these days. The ACC has been all Clemson for the last few seasons and is still somehow like the 3rd most prestigious football conference right now?

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Third might be a bit high for the ACC. I mean VT could easily be the 2nd best team in the ACC and could easily go 6-6.

I'm not following. It's hypothetically possible for the second best team in the conference to end up with only a 6-6 record but that would be pretty crazy. The ACC usually seems to have a fair number of 7-9 win teams most seasons.

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Sorry, logically its an or statement. The conference is so bad that we could be world beaters as shown last Friday, but we could also go 6-6 and no one would be surprised.

Conferences have more sports than football.

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True, but football pays the bills.

Welcome to the worst conference in P5, Big XII fans!

Or the best in G7.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

"The announcement you'll have all been waiting for ...." That just seems a bit too much lipstick the pig.

If there is no enemy within the enemy outside can do us no harm.

On one hand, I hate a lot of this realignment stuff - even if some of it is fallout from us leaving the Big East after 2003... it just feels weird seeing Maryland in the Big 10, WVU in the Big 12, and now all these other teams in the Big 12...

But on the other hand, I can't wait to see WVU at BYU and vice versa. Moonshiners versus milk drinkers. It's going to be bedlam.

Sounds kind of familiar...

Hillbillies vs Mormons

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They aren't that different, actually. Incest is not unknown behind the Zion curtain...

Imagine if they brought the argument of MULTIPLE COUSINS to their front door on a Saturday morning!

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Mormons vs Mountain people

Podunks vs. Polygamists

I'd rather go back to regional rivalries. These long distance conference games do nothing for me.

Almost 20 years ago, a coworker and I broke up Div 1A and created 9 conferences of 9 teams each, all geographically contained. It was an interesting thought exercise, but the conference size was ideal, IM(ns)HO.

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9 teams is the best conference size because you have 8 game conference schedule where everyone plays everyone.

It's going to be bedlam.

I thought they already had Bedlam.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Until OU leaves.

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I wonder if they might try to keep it on the schedule.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Well, the Governor of Oklahoma went to Okie State.

The Senate Minority Leader (from the other party) went to Okie State.

It may actually be a bipartisan effort to keep it going.

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Well hopefully this ensures that Cincy, WVU and UCF will never be in the same conference as VT.

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Can't wait to go to Orlando and see WVU and all these Midwest and Texas teams get beat. Great 30 dollars spent to join their student athletics support group.

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Go Knights

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And just like that, the Big XII got welcomed to the G6 by the AAC

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

so now the ACC is the worst P4 conference?

Hey, at least now we can change the playoff requirement to P4 Champs and keep it at 4 teams

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I mean we haven't exactly been striving for greatness in football, but I still think overall we're better than the P12.

With that said, I would very much not be surprised if this whole thing kicks off a general apathy toward college football, at least for teams outside the B1G and SEC. People will still cheer for their teams, but the big picture isn't really going to matter as much going forward because 'if you're not in those 2 conferences, you don't count'.

I really honestly do think ESPN killed the golden goose with getting Texas and OU into the SEC. 10 years from now, I really don't think the sport will be as big nationally as it was even 5 years ago. It'll be huge in the South, bigger than ever, but overall, I think they've dealt it a death blow.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Amen...not sure we've ever had a week where 5 of the 6 teams in a division lost non-conference games and that win was by a lone touchdown. Also, the divisional favorite lost at home to an FCS team. Yikes.

Agree. I think the only way to "fix" this, specifically for football, is to greatly expand the playoffs to 12 or 16 teams. The impact (besides a few extra weeks of football) might actually have the reverse impact on the conference alignments and potentially redistribute power. Hypothetically, if the football playoff bids are like the basketball tourney, the conference champ would get an auto-bid and the runners up would have to pray for an at large. Now all the schools that are part of this realignment (like OU and Texas) would have an "oh shit" moment and realize they may have dramatically reduced their playoff potential before their chances of winning the SEC are significantly less than wining the as-is B12... their abrupt departure might now have teams looking to realign to the Sun Belt....

Unfortunately, there is zero chance that the SEC is going to sign up for anything that doesn't give them annual preferential treatment in the football playoff. They could legitimately threaten to split away from the rest of the P5 and you'd have every remaining powerful school scrambling to join them rather than letting them go.

And once again, this is all because ESPN owns the SEC contract, they wanted exclusive rights to the playoff for another 10 years, and didn't want to re-up the Big XII contract for the value it had.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Nah I'd say peace, let em go. The rest of CFB >>> the SEC. If they split like a bunch of babies who cares, it'll hurt them way more in the long run. The rest of the league needs to put their foot down

this where I'm at as well. Let the SEC go and be the NFL minor league and the rest of us will go have fun.

If every Conference held firm against the SEC, sure.

But let's be honest, you only need 1-2 teams to defect to have a huge impact.

Do you trust Clemson or FSU to stand tall with the ACC when there is a ton of $$$$ on the line?

Yup, and that's why the SEC is going to have as much power as they want going forward.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Yes, because the ACC was smart in setting up the grant of rights. Look at what leaving the ACC has done to Maryland who is only get half shares in the B10.

And Maryland was able to sue the ACC to only pay a small fraction of the contractual separation fee they owed us by making that move.

The Grant of Rights agreement is not going to be as prohibitive as people think. The second a school lawyers up and gets their state government involved, the ACC will cave.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I don't think the consolidation will stop until the TV money dries up, because that's really what this is about in the end.

Even if you expand the Playoff, how do you decide who makes it in a 16, 18, or 20 team conference?? For example, you end up with 4 teams at 11-2, half of whom haven't even played each other because the damn conference is so big.

When the sport loses enough of the non "Super Conference" fans that it affects TV revenue then things will start to change...whether that happens quickly or slowly remains to be seen.

While ultimately, you are right that OU and TX probably are making things more difficult for themselves, the Administrators involved are too blinded by cash to care....

I also need to remind myself that this a very football-centric discussion. Although that is a significant factor financially, its not the only sport involved.

To get back to your question on how you decide who gets in - i have an overly-simplified approach. Win your conference championship, and you get in. Assuming we have 10 conferences to work with then that means (lets say we go with a 16-team tourney) 6 at large bids. Let the CFP committee make the determination on who gets extended the bid just like how they rack and stack things now, just without the auto-bids included in the discussion.

Why though. The SEC is 5 teams and they're not good every year. B10 is 3 teams but only one is really consistently good. ACC is 1. Pac is 0. Outside of those there's a ton of parity. There's no reason why Kentucky Arkansas or Auburn would count more than VT NC State or Carolina.

Bama OSU and Clemson have just bought the sport yeah and without limits that will kill the national appeal, but there's no reason anyone else should be less excited about their own team.

12 team playoff fixes a lot of this as long as conferences have a cap on how many teams are let in

The Houston and Cincy additions are kinda meh, I would've taken Memphis over either of them. UCF and BYU are no brainers, better programs than a lot of P5 schools.

Will be funny to watch UCF and BYU beat Texas and OU before they leave to the SEC though

I think Houston is the best of the moves. Big town in a crazy for football state. Downside is that there are so many other football options in Texas that Houston has to win to keep anybody's attention.

Then I like UCF over BYU. I kind of agree with Cincinnati being meh but don't necessarily think Memphis brings that much to the table either.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Memphis USF and ECU supremely fucked by this deal.

The American doesn't really have a good way to respond except a merger with the Mountain West (SDSU, Boise, Air Force, CSU, maybe Fresno) that includes the addition of Army. If they don't do this and add the wrong team they risk being passed by the Sun Belt.

Georgia State, San Antonio, UL Lafayette (call em Louisiana) and maybe Charlotte, UAB or Texas State make the most sense. Gotta kick Tulsa and maybe Tulane. If they go the North Texas, La Tech, Southern Miss, Rice route welcome back to irrelevance and a snooze fest.

ECU supremely fucked by this deal.

Oh no. Anyway....

I'm sure it's Virginia Tech's fault! /s

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I dont think anyone here is upset that ECU is getting shafted...

That said, there's nothing preventing the conference from poaching across the other G5s or dipping down in to FCS. Pretty sure Coastal Carolina is on the short list of potentials, and why not dip down to a school like JMU?

Next announcement American is joining with the CUSA.

I had a thought: JMU has been trying to move up to FBS for a long time. Now is as good a time as any for them to knock on the AAC's door.

I like the idea of Army too, though I don't know if the Black Knights want their rivalry game with Navy to count as a conference game.

At any rate, I don't think they're in a powerful enough position to be kicking schools out.

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We don't love dem Hoos.

I don't know if the Black Knights want their rivalry game with Navy to count as a conference game.

I relish every chance we have to take UVA out of the running for a conference championship. Granted its only happened a few times since we joined the ACC, but those games were intense. I dont think Army or Navy would mind a little added stakes for that game.

Sure. But on the other hand, it always happens after Championship Week. There may be some logistical issues involved if it becomes a conference game.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I agree that Memphis and USF had an argument for inclusion into the Big 12. Not really seeing it with ECU. I don't think they ever really had a prayer.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

They had no argument (neither did USF really) but they get screwed by being in a conference with UAB, Charlotte and whoever instead of Cincy Houston and UCF.

People don't want to give them credit but ECU is a lot more similar to a Louisville, Mississippi State, or West Virginia than they are to SMU, UAB, Tulane, etc; in just about every metric except name recognition.

Those 3 teams that got left behind (Memphis USF ECU) really have nothing in common with the schools remaining and will be forced to play down to their level (or maybe win every year and get a lot of exposure who knows).

I'll never understand why some people think ECU is some sort of catch.

Stadium that seats 51k (largest G5 besides BYU) and they fill it when they're good. Second largest university in the state behind NC State. Alumini and new students are all passionate about football. Located in a great recruiting area. Just upgraded their facilities and stadium. Greenville is one of the fastest growing areas in the country

Baseball program is stout and their games are a damn good time as well.

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That's great and all.

As I said, I'll never understand why ECU is viewed as some sort of catch by some. Having a few pros and a long list of cons is why it's never surprising they are on the outside looking in.

The cons are literally just name recognition and academics. You could maybe say culture too, but that hasn't stopped any Power 5 teams in the past, just look at the SEC or WVU

Only if you look at it through purple glasses.

Again, they're not being left behind inadvertently. Now they could still end up sliding in as the best of the worst, but by then it will likely be a pyrrhic victory.

You have to feel for Boise all those years of them dominating the mountain west and they get left out cause they've fallen off the last few years they totally deserve it ahead of any of the 4 schools selected for the big 12

Based

Turns out Boise isn't even a state! No one here should feel bad for Boise State, VT season wreckers.

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No we pretty much did that to ourselves, Boise was just the wall we rammed ourselves into, followed by the tree of jmu

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At least the rest of the ACC paid the price

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Neither is the State of Ball, apparently, which is both a tragedy and a totally as-of-yet-unrealized marketing gold mine.

Not really. UCF has a massive student body, massive alumni base, massive metro area and an NCAA recognized football national championship. What does Boise have?

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Blue turf being a crackhead's idea in board meeting aside...that has got to be the ugliest stadium design in all of football. It's like a stadium in a surrounding town was being demolished and Boise told em "we'll take that off your hands" and didn't ask for the directions on how to reassemble it.

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I totally hate that field. Yeah I get going to a blue turf in order to garner attention for a school in a forgotten conference in the middle of nowhere. But could they have at least went with a bit lighter shade?

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No doubt that UCF (and Rutgers for that matter) have superior academic institutions when compared to Boise State.

They certainly have more apparent potential as far as resources and geographical advantages are concerned.

What they don't have is a football program that approaches anything near what Boise State has built since joining the FBS in 1996 (the same year as UCF).

Boise State has been ranked at least one week of every season since 2002 (they have not yet been ranked in 2021). UCF has the same exact boast starting in 2017 (not yet ranked this season, either).

Boise State has been ranked in the top ten of the AP poll 42 times. UCF four.

While the blue turf that Boise plays on is somewhat of a national punchline, their actual stadium is not. Albertson's stadium, with a meager capacity of 36K, is a respected venue that is regularly near capacity. In Boise, Idaho.

The national punchline surrounding UCF is their actual success and their facilities. While the "Bounce House" is scheduled for an upgrade in seats from 45K to 65K seats, it's infamous for rickety construction and failing to fill the seats even during their most successful seasons. For a stadium built directly on one of the largest college campuses in the nation, that's not a mark of success.

Don't get me wrong, claiming a National Championship based on a lone selection from the Colley Matrix is both awesome and hilarious. It isn't, however a valid measure of the program's health.

While the move to join the Big XII might have the appearance of "strength", please keep in mind that Cincinnati, USF and Louisville jumped on board the Big East in 2006 while it was crumbling to the ground as well.

Louisville found footing in a power conference, Cincinnati is trying the exact same move a second time, and USF is likely worse off than where they started. So joining an extremely weak power conference out of desperation isn't a guarantee of success.

The Big East eventually did it again in 2011, expanding to include Memphis, SMU, Houston and mighty might Temple. At least UCF wasn't relevant enough at this time to have even been included in these conversations. The silver lining there is at least they've grown in the past decade.

The Big East was subsequently dissolved into the AAC, and relegated out of autonomy conference status (to the G5).

Do you know who didn't put all of their eggs into the "Big East is the damn future" basket in 2011? (Both schools initially joined and then abruptly withdrew).

San Diego State.

And Boise State.

Edit: I applaud UCF for taking their shot and I'm genuinely pulling for them. But comparing them to Boise is a little apples-to-orangey; insisting that they're somehow football-superior is just dumb.

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Where's the hot take?

I don't feel for Boise or any school left standing after expansion musical chairs. If they were worthy of being made partners in a firm, they would be.

The announcement you've all been waiting for...

Errrr.....not really. [yawns]

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The announcement you've all been waiting for

....in Provo and Orlando

Hope they are sure BYU will accept the invitation. They have a pretty sweet gig as an independent - not ND sweet, but perhaps sweeter than joining the Big 12. Like you, I don't see them traveling well, if at all, to WVU, and probably in their best interest, to tell you the truth.

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and probably in their best interest, to tell you the truth.

I'd love to the BYU fan's reactions to a gameday in Morgantown!

I'd imagine it would go something like this:

BYU accepted the invitation less than an hour after the invitation. They put out like 4 Tweets almost immediately after they accepted.

Just to add on, the 4 schools had to formally apply for membership and their acceptance was essentially a rubber stamp on both ends. The vetting process this go round was likely easier from due diligence the tables were dramatically shifting, so the Big XII already kind of had the ins and outs of each university.

I actually like the move. Houston (at least) should have been in the Big 12 already, and BYU was never going to work themselves up to "Notre Dame Exceptionality" status.

As far as Cincy and UCF, it does seem like the Big 12 has become the P5 "et cetera" conference, for teams that might do well in the P5 but are not wanted by the most geographically feasible P5 conferences.

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We don't love dem Hoos.

Not a bad basketball move either.

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G5 and P5 needs to go away. Preconceived notions of which conferences are worthy is dumb as shit.

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Looking at it this way is short sighted. The football program won't retire after 30 years of playing. Every single season they aren't at the top pulling in big $$$ is a season the school itself gets left behind. It's worth the risk to have the fancy title so to speak. Gotta make it while you can.

Also from a conference stand point, if you only have 9 weeks of conference games, you're getting lapped by the bigger conferences that have 12-13 weeks plus a championship. Gotta stay in front of eyeballs, and that goes hand in hand with being sellable to TV contracts.

EDIT: By this logic, it was foolhardy for us to join the ACC...with all the switching and predictions of meg-conferences back then. Guess time will tell if that's a good choice for us.

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Lol FSU try to jump to a super league now

Great piece by Jason Kirk, where he talks about how the B12, while maybe not 'better' will definitely be more entertaining.

Here, have some numbers that demonstrate how much more competitive β€” and thus interesting from week to week β€” the Big 12 will become. I've used Sports-Reference's SRS rating, a team quality metric that attempts to predict by how many points each team would defeat an FBS-average opponent. My sample is the last 15 seasons, which includes multiple coaching changes for almost every school, giving a decent baseline without overly weighting the non-power histories of the newer schools.

Team Median SRS rating, 2006-2020
Oklahoma 15.87
Texas 11.15
Oklahoma State 10.46
TCU 9.27
West Virginia 7.59
BYU 6.5
Cincinnati 6.03
UCF 5.79

Kansas State 4.11
Texas Tech 3.06
Baylor 3.01
Houston 2.21
Iowa State -0.96
Kansas -6.7

Also, one of my favorite comments I've ever read in a cfb piece:

The conference's financial stakeholders, however, can't rejoice about the bully Sooners and their rich friend leaving town... ...Suddenly, for the Big 12's remaining members, those wells are drying up.

Well, I'm a college sports fan, not a person with stock in the Big 12, so I don't care about that. Oh no, without the Sooner-Longhorn bailout fund, how will Kansas afford to hire another new head coach every three years forever? Not my problem....

...What the Big 12 does gain by adding four of the best available football programs is this: one of the most competitive power-conference races every year.

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...What the Big 12 does gain by adding four of the best available football programs is this: one of the most competitive power-conference races every year.

OR
They get their own version of this:

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I'm pretty sure the circle has also gone the exact opposite way in years past